Like that should come as some sort of surprise, but still people keep unexpectedly dieing after getting 10+ Taser shocks in short order. The latest..
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - The autopsy report of a man repeatedly stunned by police officers using Tasers labeled the man's cause of death as "excited delirium" and not the direct result of the shocks.It's pretty clear that the effects of all that non-lethal firepower aren't designed to be "good" for you either...State medical examiner Dr. Bruce Levy said in a statement released Friday that Patrick Lee's manner of death could not be determined.
The 21-year-old died Sept. 24 at Vanderbilt University Medical Center after being shocked up to 19 times two days earlier by police.
"There is no evidence that any of the restraint techniques used that night, including the Taser, directly caused Mr. Lee's cardiac arrest and death," Levy said. "The combined effects of multiple applications of the Taser, pepper spray and physical force on someone in excited delirium are unclear and require additional research."
From eyewitness accounts of the encounter Lee was said to be "out of it," and was definitely acting crazy (marijuana and LSD were found on his person and in his system) - running around naked in the parking lot of a nightclub tends to flag you as a nut case to police.
What's most odd about the coroner's statement is that Taser International has done the research. Unfortunately they don't think it's such a hot idea to repeatedly Taser persons showing symptoms of excited delirium.
The company that makes Taser Guns is under investigation, along with two Metro Police officers who used the tasers on a Nashville man who died after being hit with the devices. But the manufacturer of the guns said it send a warning that might have prevented the death of Patrick Lee.Clearly Lee placed himself in a position to be in confrontation with the police, and in his drugged up state he perhaps reacted to police efforts to restrain him in ways which required even more drastic response, but 19 shocks with the Taser (in a addition to batons and pepper spray) to subdue a 160 lb. man seems excessive....A bulletin sent from Taser International in June was forwarded to Metro officers who are certified to use the devices. The bulletin was in the form of an e-mail, and warned against prolonged, or extensive multiple discharges, especially when dealing with persons showing symptoms of excited delirium. These subjects are at significant and potentially fatal health risks for further prolonged exertion and/or impaired breathing.
It was not immediately known if the two officers who tasered Patrick Lee read that e-mail warning.
Perhaps my perspective is distorted by too many viewings of Cops. They never seemed to have a problem taking down the crazy, shirtless guy (a Cops staple) with a little coordinated beat down. While they may have been battered and bruised, all those guys are still alive...
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I agree. Tasers are danger... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Tom Dunson | October 18, 2005 4:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I agree. Tasers are dangerous. The cops should stick to shooting people.
1. Posted by Tom Dunson | October 18, 2005 4:13 AM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 04:13
2. Posted by Jay Tea | October 18, 2005 6:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I was all set to get all snarky on this, but I can't think of a single thing to say that would even come close to Tom's. Nothing more need be said.
J.
2. Posted by Jay Tea | October 18, 2005 6:29 AM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 06:29
3. Posted by Sasquatch | October 18, 2005 9:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yeah, Tom beat me to the punch too. Heh.
3. Posted by Sasquatch | October 18, 2005 9:55 AM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 09:55
4. Posted by thebronze | October 18, 2005 12:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbang, you're full of sh*t!
First you say 10+ shocks with a Taser, then you say 19 shocks with a Taser. Which is it?
For the record, according to the article (which you linked) I counted the Taser being applied 4 times, not 10 or 19 like you try to suggest. Why don't you stick to facts instead of hysteria?
Like Tom said, let's get rid of Tasers and just shoot them...
Wizbang, by reading your post, you're apparently very naive and you live a very sheltered life, so why don't you sit down and shut up and leave things like this to people who know what they're talking about.
You obviously don't.
4. Posted by thebronze | October 18, 2005 12:39 PM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 12:39
5. Posted by Fred Z | October 18, 2005 1:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shooting them is much better that Wizzer's suggestion for a "beat down". Absolutely for sure there will be someone there making a video of the beat down. It will look horrible and some more long suffering taxpayers will get to pay another perp $10M.
The first lesson law students get taught is that dead guys are worth much less than injured guys. "If ya run someone over, throw her in reverse and finish the job".
5. Posted by Fred Z | October 18, 2005 1:02 PM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 13:02
6. Posted by Sobek | October 18, 2005 1:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The cops and Taser International are being sued in Las Vegas by the father of some kid who died (yes, he was on drugs when tased).
On wierd aspect of the case is that the ACLU is representing the dad. Sure, of course I expect to see them in on a police brutality case, but a products liability/wrongful death case?
6. Posted by Sobek | October 18, 2005 1:10 PM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 13:10
7. Posted by B Moe | October 18, 2005 1:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You know, if I were really the insensitive bastard alot of people seem to think I am, I would make a joke about a killer buzz here.
7. Posted by B Moe | October 18, 2005 1:26 PM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 13:26
8. Posted by glenn | October 18, 2005 2:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Is that Darwin guy right every time or what?
8. Posted by glenn | October 18, 2005 2:07 PM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 14:07
9. Posted by epador | October 18, 2005 10:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No, unfortunately Darwin misses a few.
9. Posted by epador | October 18, 2005 10:01 PM |
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Posted on October 18, 2005 22:01
10. Posted by McGehee | October 19, 2005 11:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"thebronze," for one.
10. Posted by McGehee | October 19, 2005 11:51 AM |
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Posted on October 19, 2005 11:51