Which is why I don't watch them.

Where is Eugene McCarthy when we need him?

Wow. I'm glad I stopped watching e-ring before it got e-tarded.

And really, couldn't they have found somebody less butterfacey to play benjamin bratt's GF? that actress has a funky face...

In the words of Homer J. Simpson: "Sweet merciful crap!"

I didn't see it but I am told the medical show House last night basically was an hour long trashing of Lance Armstrong. Guess he should have known better than go riding with President bush.

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Old Isaiah had that one right.

Woe to them, indeed. A POX upon them!

I'm starting to get pissed off again.

All I can say is, this crap is good for the republican party. I was getting ready to walk, now I'm getting ready to fight.

Nothing But Crap.

It's been years since I've found anything I could watch on NBC.

"'Ed' was pretty good," he said, trying to find something, anything good to say about NBC since the last "Seinfeld" episode.

NBC sucks. There's no telling how much marketing research they piss away daily, and it's worth exactly dick apparently.

Example - when jackasses like Katie Couric ask someone from the West Wing something like...

"Are you going to tackle the tough issues this season?"

What the hell does that mean exactly? I guess that it means making shit up as they go based on this week's news.

Just look at them all of the sudden pumping SNL behind the scenes bullshit that no one cares about. Here's some marketing research for ya NBC - SNL is still not funny.

I'll give 'em credit with some of their comedies, but other than that, it's just moving pictures with shitty, tired scripting... ...and don't forget the ass load of advertising for the rest of the weak links in their prime time chain.

I love the MSM.

OK. Contrarian view. E-Ring is a good show, at least for me, since I spent three years in the Puzzle Palace, a/k/a Pentagon.

I like it because it is a fantasy for anyone who's ever served there. It's fun to see a junior Army O-4 do what the Bratt character does, because, let's just say that they typically don't even come close. The kinds of things that happen do occur -- just not not at the Bratt character's grade.

This latest plot perversion looks like wishful thinking on the part of some network suits; i.e. having Christians taking Muslim hostages.

On balance, I'd say cut E-Ring a little slack, because the Major does things that we all wished we could have, and that many of them are the right thing to do.

Something I've rarely seen on network television.

As for the Dick Wolf leviathon, the guy seems to hate Christians and is a love slave for the abortion-on-demand crowd. 'Nuff said.

My prediction on that L&O, based on nothing other than watching the promo, is that the Minutemen didn't do the murders. Just from the add, they're being set up too obviously as the 'bad-guy' red herring.

Of course this has nothing to do with the point of the post. (Yes they'll be depicted as 'beyond the pale' sub-literate hicks and not so quasi-racists. The promo made that clear.)

I'm just pointing this out cause I like guessing whodunnit from just a slice of a show. I could ruin every Murder She Wrote for my grandma from watching just the first three minutes.

It's a gift.

It's possible that irony is the key issue here, an intellectual attempt to get folks from all sides to look at the issues from different perspectives.

But there's a reason I gave up on network television a while ago - the hacks trying to sell their views in the scripts are for the most part perverted panderers with morals closer to Bob Guccione and Larry Flynt than they'd like to admit.

Have you noticed that Showtime has been running Micheal Moore's Farenheit 9/11?

E-ring blows. It'll be gone shortly. But Law & Order, that makes me sad. Although since Lenny Briscoe left, it just hasn't been the same.

Watching the program - i'm home sick with flu and so not worried about getting more nauseated. So far the irony theory seems fairly strong. The "Christian" terrorists look an awful lot like Chechens. Lots of play actually in favor of erasing Posse Commitas.

The old saying ..... Hollywood is high school with money. Ceptin that ain't really accurate. It's high school with crack. A good connection ..... knowing where the party is .... a bottle of bubbly. Shazaam, you're a writer. A producer. A keeper of ideas.

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Standards? Accuracy? A functioning moral compass? A sense of right and wrong? Utter derangement masked as a small bowl of enlightened mints.

Trouble with the MSM is that they actually think all conservatives are like this guy - http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/ (Not a work safe link by any means -- watch your volume if you play any of his videos) or the ones from "Deliverance".

Homophobic, Hateful, Angry radical.

Personally, I think the Kid from Brooklyn is a bit nutz, I did find his BatDay video joke to be funny once my ears stopped burning from the constant stream of obscenities!

Typical NYC/NJ Italian with a big mouth and the propensity to let the obscenities fly with zero restraint. Reminds me of an older Joey Buddifuco or Tony Soprano; Badda Bing Badda Boom!

Yet they seem to fear angry strong Americans more then they fear the real enemy. I guess they realize that they themselves are weak and the strong will eventually take over so they feel a need to prejudice everyone against the strong.

Jack Rich,

Doesn't Puzzle Palace refer to NSA? In your defense, I did get lost in the Pentagon once. For over an hour.

They need to take all these twits with the "America is bad" complex, round them all up, and dump them in some country where things really ARE bad, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........

"Black is white. Up is down. Right Is Wrong."

Didn't the bible predict something along those lines?

Let's get a little perspective folks. While I admit the plot of E-Ring sounds suspiciously anti-Christian, I am reminded of Jim Jones. He was Christian.

History is littered with Christians doing bad things. Let's not get "holier than thou" with our Christianity. A true Christian would "turn the other cheek."

"irony my $ss!" This is why I stopped watching TV long, long, long ago!

Best line on TV then was: "Ward, weren't your a little rough on the Beaver last night!"

OK, so I go way back. TV is crap! Stop watching it!

I watched the e-ring episode.

What struck me was that, by comparison with reality, it really did make Islamic terrorists look bad.

I was reminded of Beslam and how stuff like that doesn't happen in our part of the world.

The Christian Holy Warriors were the mirror image of Islamic Mujahadeen, and consequently, seemed a parody.

No matter what religious labels they put on the bad guys in that epidode, it was obvious that they were mujahadeen in sheeps clothing.

Lunacy

I dispute the assertion that Jim Jones was a Christian.

If he was, he was really, really bad at it.

edmcgon: no, Jim Jones was not "Christian." Jim Jones was insane, and if ever there was a good example of what spiritual possession is, I'd say that Jim Jones was it.

Christians -- the real ones -- don't lead people astray and conduce them to commit suicide or murder or any sin of any sort. People who DO do those acts are, to use an internet term here for ease, are "posers." They are souls serving the OTHER interests, not Jesus Christ. But they do so love to lead people astray and violate the presence of Christ...just as they have led you to wrongfully conclude that Jim Jones was "a Christian." That's the game...to mislead whoever they can.

And, speaking of Hollywood and posers, I'd say that the plan has included Hollywood throughout the history of "the industry." Moreorless what Elmo wrote (^^).

It's actually, to my view, truly sad to see television trying to be trendy to conservatives...they just have no clue.

Remember the thing with Tom Cruise on Oprah? Even Oprah is now trying to be 'apart' from Cruise, doing the old ratings fetch and dance routine, eager to step away from anyone (in this case, Cruise) who'se indicating a loss of audience confidence. And to think, before that, they were "friends."

The Minutemen-as-murderers thing from Peddler Dick Wolfe is beneath the pail, however. Just disgusting, completely dishonorable.

' I am reminded of Jim Jones. He was Christian. '

WTF? He was a lunatic heretic. But in his defense, his followers didn't kill anybody else.

In defense of "E-Ring" last night, I don't think it was some left wing conspiracy to make Christians look bad. I believe it was an attempt to demonstrate (and rightfully so) that *any* religion has fanatics who do things out of a perverted sense of that religion. The show was trying to point out that there are radical Christians who are no more true Christians than the radical Muslims are true Muslims.

Beofr critcizing something, you should make an attempt to be sure about what you are criticizing.

What is this "television" of which you speak?

I believe it was an attempt to demonstrate (and rightfully so) that *any* religion has fanatics who do things out of a perverted sense of that religion.

In other words, pure PC "moral equivalence" crap.

at least they are consistent in their bias. most of L&O episodes are based on local, NYC cases, tweaked in politically correct way. thus when a chinese deliveryman was bludgeoned to death by black gang over $12 of food, L&O made killers into irish & italian teens. anothet episode was based on infamous puerto-rican parade of some years ago, when scores of women were sexually assaulted. NBC portraye them as salvadorans, not puerto ricans.
i stopped watching that drivel years ago.

Jim Jones thought of himself as a Christian, much like Bin Laden thinks of himself as a Muslim.

If you want to see the difference between the two, it is that Christians distance themselves from Jones a lot more quickly than Muslims do from Bin Laden (if they ever do).

Amen, brother.

Oops...now you'll think I'm a Christian-o-fascist.

-s-

"no, Jim Jones was not "Christian." Jim Jones was insane, and if ever there was a good example of what spiritual possession is, I'd say that Jim Jones was it."

Ah, so one can't be Christian and insane?

I can think of plenty of insane Christians.