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On open letter to the Democrats

I've gotten a bit of a reputation as a "conservative," and it's not one I bear comfortably. I consider myself a "militant moderate," and my positions on most issues haven't shifted much in 20 years or so. The problem as I see it is that the left has marched further and further away from the center, meaning that the former middle ground is now to the right of center, and the geographic middle of the political landscape is a bit more leftward than it ought to be.

But one of my major beliefs has always been in the value of a two-party system. I see on a daily basis what happens when that fails, as I see the utter mess Massachusetts is under the Democrats. And I am barely old enough to remember when the New Hampshire Democrat was almost a candidate for the Endangered Species list.

With that in mind, I find myself looking at the Democratic Party on the national level, and I see them driving themselves further and further into irrelevancy. While there's a part of me that has a certain thrill, as I see their flawed ideologies and insane notions being tossed into the trash bin that they deserve, I also find myself concerned on just what might happen to this country if the Republicans take up the reins that the Democrats seem so eager to throw away.

In that spirit, I'm going to offer some advice to the Democrats on how they can woo back people like me, and keep our two-party system healthy.

1) Stop demonizing George W. Bush.

I voted for Bush twice -- rather indifferently in 2000, moderately proudly in 2004. So did a lot of other people. For the sake of argument, let's say you're right and it was less than half the people. But it was still roughly half the voters. If your very first point on wooing these people is "first, you have to admit you were wrong/stupid/gullible/insane when you cast your vote in 2004," you're going to turn them off in droves. It's 2005, people. We have Congressional elections in less than a year. The next presidential race is almost 3 years away. Bush isn't leaving office until 2009. Yet some of your most vocal members are still arguing about the 2004 election -- and some even are still re-fighting the 2000 one. GET OVER IT. MoveOn, even.

2) Find some issues where you can stand FOR something, not just AGAINST it.

One of my main problems with John Kerry was that his position on every major issue could be reduced to one of two stock answers: "I would not have done what Bush did," or "I would have done what Bush did, but better." Setting aside the vagueness, in each case he was letting Bush define the terms of the debate. Kerry had no ideas, no plans of his own.

It's like that on a variety of issues. Social security reform? Bush puts forth a plan. The Democrat's response? Do nothing, it's fine. The war in Iraq? If Bush is for it, we've gotta oppose it. And so on, and so on.

Building an entire national agenda on "opposing George W. Bush" is transcendantly stupid. It reduces every single issue into a partisan squabble. It puts Bush in charge of the terms of the debate. And most importantly, it focuses all your energy on to a guy who will, in all likelihood, never run for anything ever again.

3) Find ways to peel off some of the Republican's supporters.

Over the last few years, a great many cracks have been spotted in the Republican monolith. A lot of people -- myself included -- don't agree with a lot of Bush administration policies, but stick with him in part because we have no alternative. GIve us one. Find a way to "liberalize" our causes, to adopt them into the Democratic platform.

You want examples? I'll give you three.

A) Illegal immigration.
Illegal aliens are a huge source of cheap labor. The big corporations depend on them to keep their costs down. Why doesn't some enterprising Democrat start denouncing this as a new slavery, a return to the plantation mentality? They could propose hefty fines and other penalties on companies caught using illegal labor. They could compare alien smugglers to slave traders, and go after them on human rights grounds.

Also, the cheap labor brings down the prevailing wages. Unions should be up in arms at being undercut by illegal aliens, but for some reason they don't see that. Reducing the illegal alien labor pool will bring up the average wages, and force employers to pay "living wages" for the most menial of jobs.

Let's not forget that the Democrats, rightly or wrongly, have been seen as the champions of human rights, especially among the poor and downtrodden. Why aren't they trying to protect these people from being exploited by unscrupulous employers and criminals? If they attack the incentives that drive the demand for illegal aliens, and punish those benefiting by breaking the law, they will greatly reduce the number of people who sneak into the US.

B) The budget

The Democrats' concern for the future has become a cliche'. They are mocked for their justification of almost any issue as "for the children." But rightly or wrongly, it's one of their strong points. And just how terrible is it to saddle those children with huge budget deficits? They're the ones who'll have to pay up when the bills are due. The greatest gift we could give future generations would be freedom from crushing debt. The Bush administration and Republican-led congress has been spending money in ways that would make drunken sailors blush, and the Democrats have cheerfully gone along for the ride. Imagine the impact if one -- one -- Democrat were to stand up in Congress and demand fiscal responsibility and insist we stop writing checks that our children will have to redeem.

C) Democracy

For God's sake, people, your party's name is "Democratic." Democracy is springing up around the world, and you're missing the boat. Afghanistan -- AFGHANISTAN, of all places -- is well on its way to becoming a democracy. The place that has been the graveyard of imperialist's dreams for centuries, the place that shattered the image of the invcincible Red Army, the place that spawned the Taliban and the 9/11 plots, one of the most brutal, unforgiving, harsh lands in the world, is electing their own leaders. Lebanon is struggling to free itself from decades of brutal oppression by Syria. And Iraq is making shaky progress towards becoming the Middle East's second democracy, and the first Muslim one.

And where are you on it? You want to abandon Iraq to the forces of chaos. You avoid mentioning Afghanistan as much as possible. The reason is transparently clear -- you want to avoid giving George W. Bush any chance of getting any credit for it. The crassest of political motivations -- you are trampling over your own founding principles and risking millions of people's lives and potential freedom out of your pathological hatred of one man.

Swallow your pride and praise Bush when he does something right. Or at least say the occasional kind word. It won't kill you. In fact, it'll strengthen your positions in other areas -- when you oppose Bush, you'll be able to argue that it's not mere knee-jerk opposition, but principled disagreement.

Hell, do it just for the tactical value. As it stands now, whenever Bush proposes something, my first response is morbid curiosity -- "how will they rationalize opposing this one?" -- instead of "I wonder what the other side thinks." Base your positions on principles, not simple gainsaying.

We NEED two viable parties in this country. And, on the national level at least, the Democrats seem set on preventing that from happening -- and if they win in their race for oblivion, we all lose.


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Comments (35)

We need "a" viable party, n... (Below threshold)

We need "a" viable party, not just two. Neither party at this point in time is worth supporting. The rot has spread too far and too deep to be carved out. Supporting either party is supporting corruption and waste at monumental levels. Rome Redux.

B) The budget<... (Below threshold)
MikeB:

B) The budget

The problem is that the Democrats seem to believe that the solution to that problem is seizing the assets of those that create jobs, not cutting spending on voting buying programs (i.e. entitlements).

Our two party system is currently like having two options for supper: (A) foul tasting food or (B) crap. You've got options but neither is appealing.

My hope is that there's a rise of a third party to take the fiscal conservative teritory that the Republicans have abandoned because the Democrats don't want it.

- MikeB

- MikeB

Wow man, you said what I th... (Below threshold)
Craig:

Wow man, you said what I think.

I use to go to Daily Kos and try to talk some sense into those people. I'd actually start up discussions, where I'd help them figure out how to be more competitive against republicans, because I was afraid the system would become weaker if they became irrelevant.

I was getting through to them I think, before I got banned when that whole White Phospherous post caused me to flip out.

Question - what leads you t... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Question - what leads you to conclude that Massachusetts is an "utter mess"?

What I consider a major pro... (Below threshold)
B Moe:

What I consider a major problem that I hardly see anyone address is how campaign finance reform has consolidated power in the parties. It is very difficult for individuals to raise money so they have to toe the party line to get funds, this is very destructive I believe and is the cause for the bitter battle between the parties now. It is only going to get worse if we don't loosen the restrictions on donations and ads and let true mavericks and free thinkers back in the game.

Erm is turkey not a muslim ... (Below threshold)
David:

Erm is turkey not a muslim democracy, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, the list can go go on, besides i would hardly call iraq a democracy did you not hear of the torture dungeon found there yestaday, and elections under occupation can hardly be called free and fair now can they.

"the Bush administrationand... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"the Bush administrationand the Republican-led Congress have been spending money in ways that would make a drunken sailor blush....."

I think fiscal restraint is a dead issue in practice for any party. Everyone likes to talk about its merits but no one really wants to be a victim of its implementation. Reforming Social Security, Medicare, etc. will probably be avoided until the economic burdens of these entitlements become so onerous that they will catastrophically correct themselves. Not trying to be dramatic, I just think this is a fact.

Many prior democrats have s... (Below threshold)
TheEnigma:

Many prior democrats have stated the situation as thus, "I didn't leave the demcrat party, the democrat party left me."

Not until the democrat party realizes the truth of this statement will it cease to become more and more a tool of the far left extremists and more and more irrelevant to the American citizen. Scott Johnson of Powerline has given what I consider one of the most accurate descriptions of the far left of the democrat party: alternate-reality based community

The only reason the democrat party has maintained any sembelence of relevance is the "eltitist media" continues to spew the democrat talking points as though they were not talking points but facts. Truth and Integrity have no meaning to the "elitist media", unless it can be twisted and used as a club against Republicans, Conservatives and Christians.

Folks, do what I do: Vote L... (Below threshold)
edmcgon:

Folks, do what I do: Vote Libertarian whenever possible. The more votes they get, the larger the voting block that BOTH Republicans and Democrats will try to get. Remember the Perot effect! The "Contract with America" in '94 would NOT have happened without Ross Perot in '92.

While I'm not crazy about the Libertarian's "legalize drugs" position, they are more fiscally conservative than either of the two major parties right now.

edmcgon,Perot got ... (Below threshold)
mesablue:

edmcgon,

Perot got us Clinton, voting libertarian will put him back in the White House, free to terrorize more young interns as his level of responsibility will be much less than before.

If you want to make a change you have to do it from inside your party of choice.

Get involved.

"But one of my major belief... (Below threshold)
Mark:

"But one of my major beliefs has always been in the value of a two-party system"

Why only two? Both our major parties need a major ass-whoopin' from competing parties--they've lost their vision.

The Democrats are a joke.

The Republicans are not what they used to be, and in many respects resemble the democrats of old, while their social policies tend to fall in the religious right. Philosophically bi-polar, in a way.

And BOTH parties are striving to built a nanny state.

I'd like to see a third party ressurect traditional republican values of small government, federalism, minimal intrusion, and tight fiscal policy, combined with more libertarian social values. I guess I'm asking that the Libertarian Party become more viable.

Jay, you might want to add ... (Below threshold)
ken:

Jay, you might want to add "Actually having a plan. Saying you have a plan is not a plan." Somewhat falls under being for something.

Jay,I agree with t... (Below threshold)
JoeK:

Jay,

I agree with the need to control the illegal alien but larger fines on companies that employ them won't all together fix the problem. There have been huge fines on tabacco companies and they are still selling their products, but for more money to cover the fines. But you are right, this is one area the current administration, which like you I voted for twice, has refused to touch. The Dems could make an entrance here.

As for the budget, I agree that we are seeing some runaway spending, mostly IMO due to disaster relief and Iraq. I support the GWOT, which includes Iraq. I support helping people after their house and business has been wiped out. I don't support paying welfare as we have for the last how many years because the Dems think it is an entitlement. Living paycheck to paycheck at my house is the way its been for years. With three kids, I could probably qualify. But my wife and I don't think we are entitled just because the gov't offers welfare.

I agree with your ideas, just not the way to get the results we both want. Unlike Kevin's boss, from your post yesterday, I really enjoy your stuff.

and you're missing the ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

and you're missing the boat. Afghanistan -- AFGHANISTAN, of all places -- is well on its way to becoming a democracy. The place that has been the graveyard of imperialist's dreams for centuries, the place that shattered the image of the invcincible Red Army, the place that spawned the Taliban and the 9/11 plots, one of the most brutal, unforgiving, harsh lands in the world, is electing their own leaders.
Not for the first time, Jay Tea, leads off with Afghanistan as the first unquestioned Bush foreign policy success. "Four years after American-led forces ousted the Taliban, the United States has spent $1.3 billion on reconstruction in Afghanistan, intending to win over Afghans with tangible signs of progress." This is much less than we are spending on rebuilding or occupying in Iraq. However as nation-building democracy, Afghanistan may have become a poster child for a trafickers libertarian society.. An improvement yes, on the previous regime, yes but not so much of an improvement from the Taliban (who are gaining strength) that we should take much solace. There seem little evidence, to date, that Aghanistan has freed itself fom the bonds of their history. To contradict Jay, with respect, it looks like it's deja vu .

mesablue,I will gran... (Below threshold)
edmcgon:

mesablue,
I will grant you that Perot got us 8 years of Clinton, but it was the "Contract with America" that got us a balanced budget. I would also add that Clinton's presidency was a lot more moderate (on the whole) than it would have been had the Republicans NOT had the "Contract".

Our two major parties will not recognize a problem until the votes go away.

BTW, I do get involved. I vote in every election.

"as I see the utter mess Ma... (Below threshold)
Billmon:

"as I see the utter mess Massachusetts is under the Democrats."

I guess you missed that "R" after Mitt Romney's name.

Female candidates have triu... (Below threshold)
EXDemocrat:

Female candidates have triumphed in Afghanistan's parliamentary elections, with one bidding to become the new parliament's speaker.

After a delay in counting of more than a month, official results show women secured seats ahead of male candidates in a quarter of the 34 provinces, while in one a woman was outright winner.

Before September's parliamentary vote, the first for 30 years, there had been widespread predictions that, due to the conservatism of Afghan society, women would only gain seats through a quota system which automatically reserved 25 per cent of seats for them under the country's new constitution. But women won seats in their own right and will take up 68 of the 249 in the lower house when it convenes later this month.

Remnants of the Taliban responded to the results by detonating two suicide bombs in Kabul, killing a German peacekeeper and three Afghans. British troops opened fire to repel a threat to their camp in the capital.
Betsy Newmark, blogging at Michelle Malkin has this to say:

Think of the amazing courage of these women. They are risking their lives and the lives of their families in order to try to build a stronger, more moral country. I don't think that I would have that brand of courage. I think of the feminists who fought for women's suffrage in our past. They often made a similar sort of argument that women would clean up politics because they would bring a new morality to the election booth. Well, that certainly hasn't happened here. Maybe, this new women's caucus in the Afghan parliament will be able to band together against the warlords and remnants of the Taliban.

I would think that women rights advocates throughout the world would be trumpeting the courage and achievements of these women. But, instead, there is a very speaking silence from leading feminists. I guess they're afraid that any praise for what women have achieved in Afghanistan would remind people of the President who made those achievements possible. Is that what being committed to women's rights around the globe really comes down to?

"And where are you... (Below threshold)
langtry:
"And where are you on it? You want to abandon Iraq to the forces of chaos. You avoid mentioning Afghanistan as much as possible. The reason is transparently clear -- you want to avoid giving George W. Bush any chance of getting any credit for it. The crassest of political motivations -- you are trampling over your own founding principles and risking millions of people's lives and potential freedom out of your pathological hatred of one man.
JayTea:

Great thoughts, but the Demcrats aren't listening. They're not listening to anyone except their 'lunatic fringe', the sort that think Howard Dean is a great DNC Chair. In the personage of Howard Dean you will find an encapsulization of everything that is wrong with the Dems:

1) Demonization of the opposition;

2) Complete financial dependence on both the mafia-like Service Employees International Union, as well as billionnaire corporate stand-ins like George Soros and Steve Bing;

3) Misplaced belief that Americans are slavishly obsessed with Hollywood and desperately desiring of their political guidance;

4) Dissociative Personality Disorder when it comes to the threat of terrorism, and a willingness to sacrifice the war effort in the name of partisan promotion;

5) Denial about what ails the Party;

6) Blindness to the Party's falling-out with the American electorate; and

7) Placement of childish, Petty self-actualization before reasoned and rational discourse.

As long as Howard Dean is the face and psyche of the Dems, nothing will change. Sadly, Dean's compatriots suffer from the same maladies as does he, and are unlikely to notice the Party's downward spiral until it is irreversible. I suspect, however, that they don't care about the future, as the present is so gratifying as to trump all other concerns. The Deaniacs will be the last to know they're finished.

EXDemocrat:<bl... (Below threshold)
langtry:

EXDemocrat:

I would think that women rights advocates throughout the world would be trumpeting the courage and achievements of these women. But, instead, there is a very speaking silence from leading feminists.

Would that be the very same feminists who kept silent when Bill Clinton was revealed to have violated the very sexual harrassment laws he claimed to champion? The same feminists who say that Condoleeza Rice isn't "Black" because she is a Republican? The same feminists who claim to be devoted to improving the state of women's rights and well-being throughtout the world, yet cannot admit that someone other than a Democrat removed the Taliban from power?

Good post Jay. But I have ... (Below threshold)

Good post Jay. But I have the following questions:

1) Stop Demonizing Bush - are you implying that Republicans don't demonize Democrats? I read blogs from both sides, watch Fox and listen to NPR, and I'm pretty sure both sides demonize their enemies and always have. But if you're willing to admit that it doesn't work for either side, I give you points. Demonizing Clinton certainly didn't get the Republicans very far.

2) Find some issues where you can stand FOR something, not just AGAINST it - with this I agree wholeheartedly. But its hard to do when the opposition controls everything and sets the agenda. When Bush proposed invading Iraq, what were Democrats supposed to do besides oppose or support him - propose that we invade Iran instead because they're the bigger threat?

3) Find ways to peel off some of the Republican supporters - Again, I agree. I think Dems should be the party of social libertarianism and economic populism.

But all of this seems like a matter of strategy, not fundemental issues. If Gov Mark Warner or Senator Evan Bayh or some similar moderate was nominated in 2008, would you support them? Or is it the presence of the Al Sharptons in are party that prevents you from voting Democratic - because seriously, the Republicans have plenty of nuts in their jar as well.

Cutting Taxes + Increased s... (Below threshold)
Democrat:

Cutting Taxes + Increased spending = lunacy.

Anyone who argues that Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility is completely full of shit.

Also, its quite hilarious to hear you folks say that Democrats demonize Republicans.

Two words: Karl Rove.

McCain has a black adopted child? smear.
Kerry earned 3 purple hearts? smear.
Kilgore is going to lose? Robocall.

Seriously, who do you guys think you are kidding? Clearly its not America, because they are no longer buying your bullshit. Hence the lowest approval rating for any second term president, except Nixon.

Bush has so tainted the Republican Party that anyone who is running in 2006 is running away from G.W. Even Santorum.

Billmon:Yeah, ther... (Below threshold)

Billmon:

Yeah, there's a (R) after Governor Mitt Romney's name. But there are (D)'s after 137 of 160 state representatives, and (D)'s after 33 of 40 state senators. They can override his vetoes without even working up a sweat. It's a sign of sanity and hope (albeit faint) that Massachusetts keeps electing Republican governors.

J.

The Dems can't attack Bush ... (Below threshold)

The Dems can't attack Bush on the budget. Because their cure for deficits isn't going to peel Republicans away. I agree with the poster above that "tax cuts + spending increases = lunacy".

But every serious Republican sees the answer to that lunacy as cutting spending. Every serious Democrat sees the answer as raising taxes (and then raising spending!). And so to us, they can't claim to be the party of "fiscal responsibility". As Zell Miller might say, "That dog won't hunt."

I'm appreciative to read th... (Below threshold)
-S-:

I'm appreciative to read that you voted for Bush (and twice), Jay Tea...what's all that gossipy-malarky about you being a Democrat from the basement of Wizbanger comments? Granted, it's been a while but I do recall reading the rumblings.

Your advice is sensible and sound and if it was any more obvious and accurate, it would win the Super Lotto.

Which means that it will be roundly denounced and ignored by Democrats.

Now, if only we could get the REPPUBLICANS to a point of political sobriety that they would stop chasing the "We Be Democrats Really" dimentia over the hill, we'd we all set.

The only heat that Democrat... (Below threshold)
-S-:

The only heat that Democrats have routinely boils down to:

(1.) Abortions on demand
(2.) No references to anything Christian in anything by anyone anywhere
(3.) More taxes to fund more forced behaviors
(4.) More forced behaviors to create more taxes
(5.) "Conservatives are bad"


If I left anything off, please advise.

To everyone suggesting Libe... (Below threshold)
-S-:

To everyone suggesting Libertarians, the Libertarian Party as voter option...take a look at Governor Schwarzenegger in CA, a Libertarian in behavior, policy and delivery and see the results: no one is happy about anything and voter confidence is close to nothing. Except for the Democrats, who again have their purse strings in hand from the state and rely on the "moderate" voter dilemma to capture the silence, otherwise.

Voting Libertarian, going for that elusive 'third party' position always relents to DNC control. It's part of the DNC process. You'd think people who get that game plan by now but they never seem to.

Sorry, dropped copy (^^):</... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Sorry, dropped copy (^^):

"...you'd think people WOULD GET that game plan by now but they never seem to."

Jay Tea, I feel much the sa... (Below threshold)
avaroo:

Jay Tea, I feel much the same way you do. I voted for Al Gore in 2000, not because I particularly liked him, I actually thought that both Bush and Gore were the pampered sons of politically elite families. But I did like Bill Clinton, voted for him twice. And I didn't see anything much in GWB, had 9/11 not happened, I think Bush would have been a mediocre president at best. But he has really stepped up to the plate and I did vote for him in 2004. I can vote for a democrat, in fact, my record is more democratic than republican. But John Kerry? Puhleeze.......

The dems will have to offer me something better than the republicans are offering if they ever want to get my vote again. I am terribly disappointed in the dems.

langtry:I'm... (Below threshold)
EXDemocrat:

langtry:

I'm not on the side of the Democrats. I used to be a Democrat prior to 9/11, which I am beginning to notice a number of people have done. I simply posted this information because of Jay Tea's mention of Afghanistan. It includes statements that question the Democrat's.

You are wrong the Imperious... (Below threshold)

You are wrong the Imperious Opinion is right!

"To everyone suggesting Lib... (Below threshold)
edmcgon:

"To everyone suggesting Libertarians, the Libertarian Party as voter option...take a look at Governor Schwarzenegger in CA, a Libertarian in behavior, policy and delivery and see the results: no one is happy about anything and voter confidence is close to nothing."

Hey -S-,
I'll take Arnold over what we have running the country now, a bunch of Republican career politicians who wouldn't know a personal belief if it ran over them. (I know that's a generalization, but it does seem to apply to most of them.)

Just because the majority of voters in California are spoiled morons and sway with even the lightest political breeze, does NOT mean the rest of the country is this way.

If Arnold ever wants to run for governor in Georgia, he's got my vote.

EXDemocrat:<bl... (Below threshold)
langtry:

EXDemocrat:

I'm not on the side of the Democrats. I used to be a Democrat prior to 9/11, which I am beginning to notice a number of people have done. I simply posted this information because of Jay Tea's mention of Afghanistan. It includes statements that question the Democrat's.

I'm sorry that my sarcastic entry didn't make clear that I agreed wholeheartedly with your statement. It makes me mad that feminists (and I'm a woman, their target audience) walk in lockstep with the Dems even though so many of the very real gains that women have made of late are dur to Republican initiatives, either direct or indirect. Yet Republicans continue to be vilified by feminists!

... (Below threshold)
Tony Valeri:

11-18-05

Subject: Who Voted For These Self-Destructive Reprobates Anyway?

The Detestable, Spineless, corruptible, Testicularly Challenged, Girlie Men, DEMOCRAT LIBERALS and RINO REPUBLICANS of the U.S. Congress and their sycophant, mainstream news reporter cowards are demanding change in President Bush’s Administration. A sample of Reprobates include:

Senators KENNEDY, ROCKEFELLER, SCHUMER, BOXER, PELOSI, REID, DURBIN, KERRY

I suggest we change the DIAPERS of the above described moral rejects and TERRORIST ENABLERS before their crap swallows this country up into the EUROPEAN SOCIALIST MORASS finally exposed by the failure of the 50 plus year SOCIALIST EXPERIMENT, with DADDY GOVERNMENT, cradle to grave, life subsistence and typical, terrorist appeasement by the FRENCH.

WOE to AMERICA and the WORLD if we continue to allow the so-called, short-sighted, minority leaders in America to play the game of risking America’s future against their incessant, childish, demands to take back personal power at ANY COST.

It is obvious that the DEMOCRAT LIBERALS amd RINO REPUBLICANS are directing a concerted effort to DEFAME any and all conservative voices in America and will not stop until President Bush and his administration takes off the gloves and not only loudly refute the many allegations being thrown at them EVERY DAY, but take immediate action on the most important problems that a majority of EVERYDAY AMERICANS want resolved ASAP:

Solving Illegal Immigrant Problem without Amnesty

Tougher Stand on dealing with recalcitrant countries

STOP crucifying U.S. soldiers that make mistakes of war. WIN THE WAR for the IRAQI PEOPLE

Quit giving Terrorists the benefits of a Constitution that they would burn up, with you wrapped in it

Do not allow the minority leaders in Congress to dictate American policy in either creating law or selecting those that will interpret the law

Push harder for more oil drilling, oil refineries, atomic power plants and, only then, start a comprehensive program to develop alternative energy sources. FIRST things FIRST.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST: Let the United Nations know that unless they immediately clean up their act, they should be given notice that American funding will dry up, and, within a specified period of time allowed for the clean up, if not attained, they will be evicted from their New York location and out of this country.

Tony Valeri, Eugene, OR Tel: 541 607-6305, ([email protected])




Hi Tony (nice to see you da... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Hi Tony (nice to see you date your work; do you know the software takes care of that for you?),

Solving Illegal Immigrant Problem without Amnesty

Sounds expensive. How shall we pay for it?

Tougher Stand on dealing with recalcitrant countries

Tougher than invading them? What, nukes? And what do you mean by recalcitrant? Like China?

STOP crucifying U.S. soldiers that make mistakes of war. WIN THE WAR for the IRAQI PEOPLE

Yeah, win the war dammit! And no more crucifictions! Blessed are the cheesemakers.

Quit giving Terrorists the benefits of a Constitution that they would burn up, with you wrapped in it

Check. No need to quit that which was never started.

Do not allow the minority leaders in Congress to dictate American policy in either creating law or selecting those that will interpret the law

Possibly the funniest. I love the "stop the tyranny of those not in power!" crowd. What policies exactly are the minority dictating? None? Ok then.

You're right though, the administration should take off the gloves, and start going after their critics. (I hear some of them have spouses who are intelligent agents. They should start there!)

P.S. WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

P.P.S. How is it up in Eugene? Don't all those hippies drive you crazy? (Not that you need any help in that area. Testicularly?)

Jay, Its amazing every time... (Below threshold)
saf:

Jay, Its amazing every time I come on this site your fantasies cease to amaze me, it seems like the rest of the world is on one planet and you guys are on a totally different. I won’t comment on US domestic issue because I don’t know much about them.

So you really call Afghanistan a success, record levels of opium being produced every year and Hamid Karzi being nothing more than the Mayor of Kabul with the rest of the country controlled by war lords even those who were in the Taliban ranks. The reason why American casualties have been low there is because the troop numbers have always been between 10,000 to 18,000 and more more, I mean its not hard to hide that many troops in a few bases, just look at Iraq check the monthly stats for American casualties and compare it to the troop levels at the time and you’ll l soon realise that each time the number of casualties has spiked there have been higher number of troops there at the time

You say Lebanon has been freed from a decade of brutal oppression, well do you actually know the Syria actually went into Lebanon after being given the green light from Israel and the US, this was to provide stability between different warring factions to stop the PLO running riot. Yes they outstayed their welcome and they only left after protests due to the assassination of a popular former prime minister, now how the hell can you possibly relate that to Iraq it really is wishful thinking I mean do you really think the Lebanese saw the chaos in Iraq and said oh yes we want a bit of that, but like I said you guys are on one planet and everyone else on another.

Finally your amazing so called first Muslim democracy in the middle east, well I guess its fine that they torture their own people after all saddam did it and these people have been voted in so its fine, the only democracy in the world where you don’t have to have a majority of 50% to win but 67%, elections rules written under the occupation of 150,000+ foreign troops. A democracy where not only the foreign occupation troops but also their contractors are totally exempt from the local law………what an advocate for Middle East democracy




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