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Democracy, respect, and the Palestinian elections

There's been a bit of buzz about lately concerning the US and Israel's not-so-secret plans to destabilize and, hopefully, topple the Hamas-led new Palestinian government. The standard cries are that we are being hypocritical, that we asked the Palestinians to choose their government in a free and democratic election, and now that we don't like their choice, we're backsliding on our commitment to democracy.

This, quite frankly, is a load of codswallop.

The United States DID respect that election. We made no allegations of fraud, did not accuse Hamas of stealing the election, in no way undermined or devalued their win.

But that's irrelevant here. Because our grievance isn't with the Palestinian government per se, but Hamas itself. And now, just because the Palestinian government is a part of Hamas (and not vice versa), does not mean that our beefs with Hamas are all wiped clean. There might be an argument there, if Hamas had asked for such and foresworn the sort of things that had earned its place on our list of terrorist organizations, but they have not. In fact, they have boldly reasserted their beliefs: continued war with Israel, no negotiations, no compromises, and their ultimate goal remains the destruction of Israel.

In that context, it can be argued that the Palestinian government is little more than a hostage of Hamas, as the terrorists hide behind the veneer of respectability the Palestinian Authority offers while continuing their terrorist ways. I'd go even further than that, though; I'd liken them to the "peace activists" who willingly offer themselves as human shields for terrorists.

We told the Palestinian people up-front what some of the consequences would be if they chose to side with Hamas -- as did Israel. We said that we would continue to treat Hamas as the terrorist organization they have worked so hard to establish themselves as, regardless of however the elections turned out.

So a terrorist government has managed to take control of a semi-legitimate government. Big deal. So did the Taliban, in a slightly less peaceful process. We didn't let that stop us then, and we shouldn't let it stop us now.

We not only have a right to attempt to destabilize and topple the Hamas-led government, we have an obligation. Regardless of electoral status, Hamas remains a terrorist organization -- albeit one with a more-upscale address now.

And as numerous others have pointed out, the fact that they hold the reins of power in the government means that the leaders are just that much easier to locate. Kind of obliging of them, in a way.


Comments (41)

The German people elected t... (Below threshold)
Lew Clark:

The German people elected the Nazi party to not only run their government, but to rule the world. And then Britain and the U.S. had to go meddling in Germany's "internal affairs". Now the Palestinians elect Hamas to not only govern them, but to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. And, here we go again, meddling in a sovereign nation's right to conduct their "internal affairs".

WHen your 'internal affairs... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

WHen your 'internal affairs' involve trying to wipe out an _external_ country, then they are no longer internal affairs. Hamas openly declared war on another country, in essence. And no country is required to sit by while another wages war upon it.

I think Israel ought to app... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

I think Israel ought to applaud the Hamas political victory and encourage them to step up and lead the political process.

I can just the Israelis saying, "Yes, please, hold a Parliment meeting...in one building...with all your leaders...why here is one right here. The bullseye painted on top? No, no, it's not a bullseye, just an X to mark the spot where all of Hamas should meet to discuss your agenda."

Tracking those cars to take out Hamas leaders had to be a lot harder.

When Hamas attacked Israel ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

When Hamas attacked Israel before it was an act of terrorism. Now that Hamas has been elected and represents the majority party, an attack on Israel will be an act of war. At that point the U.N. needs to treat the Palestinian government as an aggressor.

After WW2 the U.N. created the nations of Israel and Palestine and set their borders, which were never accepted by the Arab nations in the area. There was no official government of Palestine, so the outcome of wars never changed the original borders and that's why we hear the phrase "occupied lands" to this day. That has changed and Palestine now has an elected government. The U.N. should make it known that if the Palestinian government goes to war with Israel, the U.N. will no longer recognize the original borders it established almost 60 years ago. The facts on the ground will set the new borders.

Obviously if the Arab nations has been able to defeat Israel in any of the wars following 1947, no one would be talking about Israel being occupied; it just wouldn't exist anymore. It's time to make permanent border changes the cost of starting a war with Israel.

Where did the UN set the bo... (Below threshold)
George:

Where did the UN set the borders for the nation of Palestine?

Roughly from the borders of... (Below threshold)
B Moe:

Roughly from the borders of Israel to the borders of the next country they came to.

**bugle sounding cavalry ch... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

**bugle sounding cavalry charge** OH YEAH, Right! Planning a Springtime Offensive on the basis of Last Week. (Did you know that Israel subsidized Hamas for 20 years to counterbalance the PLO?) If you want war just get yourself a tourist visa to Israel or Jordan or Lebanon (and without even having to go through bootcamp!) you can run recon as a tourist juggling a falafel, a blintz and a two liter pop. AND blog! No excuse! MOVE IT MOVE IT MOVE IT (and don't let the screen door hit you on the ass!)

"Did you know that Israe... (Below threshold)
B Moe:

"Did you know that Israel subsidized Hamas for 20 years to counterbalance the PLO?"

That is a new one on me, don't guess you could provide a link to some evidence of this, could you?

If you want war ju... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
If you want war just get yourself a tourist visa to Israel or Jordan or Lebanon

I don't want war, but there's no point allowing Israel to be attached and then tell them that they have to give back lands they took from the aggressor nations. Doing so only emboldens the aggressors to keep trying. Make it known that any territory that changes hands in the next conflict becomes the permanent possession of nation that takes it. That change is the reality Israel has always faced, so it's only fair to make it the reality for the Palestinians as well.

That is a new one on me,... (Below threshold)

That is a new one on me, don't guess you could provide a link to some evidence of this, could you?

It seems to be the current meme du jour among lefties.

<a href="http://www.wsws.or... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/ham2-j06.shtml ...and dozens of others document that Israel is its own worst enemy and not worth American blood spilt in its behalf. I mean, the end of THE Book has them still around and kickin',right? Not that I didn't have a cold war crush back in the day, but then one reads about the USS Liberty incident in '67, AIPAC and Jonathon Pollard, Marc Rich and Lepke--I mean, Libby. And then it hits me: THAT'S where all those Jewish mobsters disappeared to after WW II!

"If you want war just get y... (Below threshold)
cubanbob:

"If you want war just get yourself a tourist visa to Israel or Jordan or Lebanon".
You mean there hasn't been a nonstop war for the last 58 years?
Israel ought to cut off all municipal services, medical services and funding of the Palestinians and block all foreigners from doing the same.
The only talks is Israel ought to conduct with the Palestinians is unconditional surrender on behalf of the Palestinians. The same terms the Allies offered the Germans and the Japanese.

Bryand, this came from the ... (Below threshold)
exerxes:

Bryand, this came from the website you referenced. (From 1980-89, the CIA provided the largest covert aid programme in US history to Afghanistan in order to destabilise the Soviet Union. It financed and armed the most extreme of the mujahidin groups, including Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network, fighting the Soviet backed Afghan regime in Kabul. Such US sponsored groups have in turn been crucial in promoting the growth of militarily trained Islamic forces in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, occupied Palestine, and elsewhere.)

This is nothing new in fighting an enemy of greater strength. The USSR under Stalin was just such a government. In WWII, the US and Britain chose to train, arm and supply the Soviets with everything they needed in order to defeat Hitler.

The choice to back the Soviets produced an enemy that stared back at us over nuclear warheads for 50 or more years, but our decision to back this evil power resulted in the defeat of a greater threat during those years so long ago.

Times and places change, and history is a rerun of things that happened once and will happen again. Our choices must always be to defend America and her allies, no matter who thinks it's wrong or improper. When we cease to do that, we will learn to speak the language of our conquerors.


LOL, McGehee, looks like Br... (Below threshold)
B Moe:

LOL, McGehee, looks like BryanD isn't as subtle as actus. Does anyone else find it ironic as hell that Ben-Gurion was a secular socialist.

Western and local media say... (Below threshold)
Moha_Most_Gaza:

Western and local media say that Israel made Hamas to weaken hamas itself not the PLO.

The Natzis began the war... Hamas didn't...
Hamas established by Ahmed Yaseen in 1987... only on the first year of Palestinian Intifada. 39 years after Zionest State 'Israel'.

If the UN, US, UK Provide solutions to the zionest jows other than Palestine... hamas woun't be exist...

But the world want a state for the jows and GOD( Allah, or if you don't believe in GOD...) the Palestinian people refuse this state and woun't accept it for what ever it takes.

I choose Hamas cos we will never forgive or forget... simply coz we CAN'T forgive or forget... we are simply ready to die for it... but in the time and place we choose...
Don't get TERRORIZED... BUT don't PUSH.

WAR is not a solution.. also woun't lead to any...
Palestinians never declared war becuase its called resistance... Zionest state is the one declare war all the time..

PEACE have no way to zionests coz they have no right to be here even if the world is behind them.
Peace is a dream will never come true becuase of the lie called Israel.

As A muslim I have no problem to call my self Israel... Israel is a prophet that we believe in..
They just made use of the name... if they call themselves jows then they have to leave this country at once...

Zionests will leave Palestine- all Palestine- life or dead.

Israel have no right to exist.
No one can give it the right of existance. UN, US, EU, or UK...
Palestine - all of Palestine - is part of Islamic Land and must be freed... sooner or later.

I think it took too much time to establish the first Islamic country on the new world land (Americas and Australia).

Don't get TERRORIZED... coz the world did the same for us in here-- established a zionest state on Islamic land--

I believe the Islamic Khelafa ERA is getting nearer and woun't stop on the porders of SPAIN (Andalos)... BUT WILL CROSS THE OCEAN this time...

Don't get TERRORIZED coz the best thing could happen to you and the world is Islam.

I wish all people on earth will be muslims...
Islam is the best could hapen to a human...

Don't tell that being nothing is better coz your saying to be an animal... I mean no insult.
but the world needs "CHANGE & REFORM" slogan of HAMAS in the elections.

"CHANGE & REFORM" in all fields of life,,, with family, street, schools, political parties, Financial issues... every thing... not in Gaza... but all the world...

WE HAVE TO VALUE HUMAN LIFEs
MEN & WOMEN
I believe that Islam gave life its valuebility...

don't believe me !!! check by yourself.
I know some foreigners... from US and UK...
they are well educated, smart and polite...

I believe if you check in a well educated, smart and polite manner you will find out what I'm talking about... just keep away from Alkohol,,, even a little of Alkohol.

Palestinians are poor, hungry, unemployed (67%) before sanctions... and will get more difficult after sanctions... But we really woun't give up,,,, what ever it takes...........

send me an email... be polite please.

Jay Tea: en guard! Moha_Mo... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Jay Tea: en guard! Moha_Most_Gaza: touche!

I will strive to VALUE HUMA... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I will strive to VALUE HUMAN LIFEs (except for the jows) and stay away from Alkohol. Praise Allah and polite emailers.

Hmmm.What rubbish.... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

What rubbish.

1. America didn't fund the Afghans directly, it was funneled through the Pakistani ISI. This was to provide a level of deniability because a direct confrontation with the USSR could provide a pretext to an escalation that nobody wanted.

The **ISI** push some of the money to the Afghans but put the lion's share into the hands of the Taliban, their personal friends. The Taliban waited until the Soviet's had been defeated and the Afghan's exhausted and then used the money, plus the weapons and training that money afforded, to then takeover.

There's yet another teaching-the-liberal episode.

2. You're referencing a *socialist* website? Don't make me laugh any harder at you than I am already.

3. It's a funny thing that Palestinian arabs have been murdering jews since King Herod. Who, for those of you who are unaware, was a Palestinian arab. Frankly though there has never actually been a Palestine apart from a jewish one.

In reality that whole area, prior to the creation of Israel, was the Trans-Jordanian Mandate that the British mismanaged. The real solution is for the "Palestinians" be accorded their true identity which would be as Jordanian citizens.

IMHO I think Israel should be encouraged to treat the PA, Palestinian Authority, as an actual government. And the next time Hamas or Fatah, or whatever cover group you fellows choose to use, the Israelis should simply declare war, take posession of the West Bank and Gaza and push you people out into Jordan.

Frankly after 60+ years of terrorism by Palestinians I don't have an ounce of pity for you. You've been kidnapping, raping, murdering and attacking Americans for that length of time and I'd be just as happy if we simply nuked you Palestinians right off the planet.

Be thankful that I'm a naturalised citizen of America so I could never become President.

Let's all say it together n... (Below threshold)

Let's all say it together now: "DEATH BY APACHE!" See how easy that is?
Just like Saruman and Wormtongue....

I love Wizbang because I le... (Below threshold)
D. Doré:

I love Wizbang because I learn so much here!

Here's an example:

"CHANGE & REFORM" must be the politically correct way to say: "Wipe Israel off the face of the map"

And look, I now understand how a true muslim like Moha_Most_Gaza; USAMuslims.org; CAIR and others like them can consider Islam to be a religion of peace!

Sure, they can say things like:

"Zionests will leave Palestine- all Palestine- life or dead."

and make it coincide with:

"WE HAVE TO VALUE HUMAN LIFEs
MEN & WOMEN
I believe that Islam gave life its valuebility..."


It's all right there! Islam gave life its valuebility

Therefore, without Islam life must not have any valuebility (no value).

So therefore, taking the non-valued life of someone who is not a muslim is just fine. Their lives have no valuebility.

I get it now! Islam IS a religion of peace! (as long as you and everyone you know are muslim) Otherwise, your life (and everyone else's that you know) has no valuebility, and will be easily ended to make sure that those who remain are muslim and can then rest easy in its own declaration that it is a religion of peace.

Man... I'm so glad I got that cleared up!

Before I read those posts today, I used to compare calling Islam a religion of peace to a particularly entertaining part of the movie: MARS ATTACKS! Remember the scene where the Martians had stolen the "Martian to English translation machine" and were running around the countryside making the machine say in English: "We come in peace!" over and over again while they disintegrated every living human in their site? Ahhhh, yes! Good times! Just like reading about the imam's putting out a $1,000,000.00 contract on a cartoonist's head.

Boy, I used to be so confused, but now it's finally clear!
Thanks Moha_Most_Gaza!
Allah Akbar!


"CHANGE & REFORM" must be t... (Below threshold)
Moha_Most_Gaza:

"CHANGE & REFORM" must be the politically correct way to say: "Wipe Israel off the face of the map"
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YES... Change and reform is the way to wipe Israel of the map... there is no reason for life for those who live under zionest occupatin but to destroy the zionest state... reform in Gaza is first step... ending the Occupation and zionism is anothers step toward GLOBAL PEACE.
"CHANGE & REFORM" will lead to GLOBAL PEACE.

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Sure, they can say things like:
"Zionests will leave Palestine- all Palestine- life or dead."
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OFCOURSE we can say that... don't put your throat on the edge of my knife and say don't kill me... we will KILL THEM ALL while they are living on our home land... they must leave OR they can stay BUT >>> ( long story )
http://www.palpress.ps/english/index.php?maa=ReadStory&ChannelID=764

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and make it coincide with:
"WE HAVE TO VALUE HUMAN LIFEs
MEN & WOMEN
I believe that Islam gave life its valuebility..."
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Ofcourse..... Islam gave life its valuebility
Ask yourself ... WHY churches still standing in Bethlehim and Nazerith and other places in arab and muslim countries for the last 1400 years...!!!

Chrestians come and go in peace to Palestine during Islamic khelafa except in times of war.

JEWS used to live in PEACE in all arab and muslim countries, alot better than Europe under the Islamic Kgelafa era...>>> read about it.

Christians and Muslims are united against the zionest occupation of PALESTINE.

So what you are writing down her is not true

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Therefore, without Islam life must not have any valuebility (no value).

So therefore, taking the non-valued life of someone who is not a muslim is just fine. Their lives have no valuebility.
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No way Amigo....
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I get it now! Islam IS a religion of peace! (as long as you and everyone you know are muslim) Otherwise, your life (and everyone else's that you know) has no valuebility, and will be easily ended to make sure that those who remain are muslim and can then rest easy in its own declaration that it is a religion of peace.
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Are you angry ??? cool down...

Again {{ christians, jews and Muslims can live together in PEACE }} becuase they lived before... the jews have no right to stay in Palestine... thats all.

History tells us that UNDER ISLAMIC LAW we all can live together in PEACE.
NOWDAYS Democracy of EU, US and Canada fail to give such an example.

I want to proof to you all

Under Islamic Law... Jews and Christians can have their own courts that fellow Torrah or the Bibble ( maybe in the futrer Khelafa Jewish and christian courts will use the civil law too).

Muslims of EU, US and Canada can't have their own
courts to fellow Islamic Law...

OLD Islamic Khelafa is ALOT MORE FREE than todays Democracies.

THIS PROOFS THAT JEWS and CHRISTANS used to live not only in peace among Muslims but also have the freedom to fellow their own laws and have their own courts
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Man... I'm so glad I got that cleared up!
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OK OK... Read about it for more CLARIFICATIONS.
but PLEASE read for writers from both sides.

forgive my poor english

Note: Movies are not a source of information... please please... don't mix real life with fiction... please.
I like movies... but the fact in it is like 0.0001% of the movie...
and you know that.

Muslims of EU, US and Ca... (Below threshold)

Muslims of EU, US and Canada can't have their own courts to fellow Islamic Law...

That's because in those nations everybody is expected to live according to the same laws. Having different laws for different people is a sure recipe for civil war.

And living in a conmstant state of civil war -- that ain't free.

Hmmm.Ask ... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

Ask yourself ... WHY churches still standing in Bethlehim and Nazerith and other places in arab and muslim countries for the last 1400 years...!!!

Because they *PAY* you money to leave them standing.

"I wish all people on ea... (Below threshold)
B Moe:

"I wish all people on earth will be muslims...
Islam is the best could hapen to a human...

As my old Granny used to say: "You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up the fastest."

And hats off to bryanD for being up front about being a seditious, appeasing chickenshit.

I would rather be dead than... (Below threshold)
cubanbob:

I would rather be dead than be a Muslim.
Islam is a religion of peace, the peace of the grave for those who will not submit.
It's time for the Jews to kick the Arabs out of the Holy Land and send them back to where they belong, Arabia. The arrogance of the "palestinians" is breath taking. They demand that Jews give them jobs, medical care and municipal services while demanding the right to kill them. Kick the worthless scum out. They are truly the most worthless people on the planet, true parasites.

//grave for those who will ... (Below threshold)
Moha_Most_Gaza:

//grave for those who will not submit\\
you are wrong
coz churches are still standing and OUR christian brothers in PALESTINE respect Islamic values and lived with us for 1400 years...

us... I like to tell you something important about us...
We, most of this Palestinian generation, was born as refugees... Which made me think how it come to be like this... I was born for muslim parents and I'm a muslim... but history tells us that before Islam there are christianity or judism...

So... I'm sure that one of my grandfathers was a christian or a jew before he dicided to become a muslim... So, Muslims didn't come from Mars... WE (might be) ORIGINALLY were CHRISTAINS...

Which means that every church is a Palestinian inheritance that we share with all christians on the world... BE THANKFULL TO ISLAM (ALLAH) who told muslims to respect other religions.

so cut the aid... KEEP YOUR MONEY, churches are part of personal believes and inheritance, don't worry about... :) WELCOME TO VISIT ANY TIME :)
(( Thats if you believe in GOD ))

It depends on who wants to live honorable life.

WE DON'T want jobs from them... we were living in peace on our land. We were farmers before beeing REFUGEES.

for the world The allies won WWII... but for the Palestinain people THE NATZI WON...
Palestinian refugee camp in Jordan, Lepanon, Gaza, and the west bank, the Apartheid Wall in WEST BANK and blockade of Gaza Strip proves that.

Dailly arrest, pre-dawn raids, using war dogs
http://www.palpress.ps/english/index.php?maa=ReadStory&ChannelID=3422
and more yet to come...

THE best thing could happen for the refugee is to return and for Zionest is to leave A LIFE.

***They are truly the most worthless people on the planet, true parasites***

It's not easy to believe { I assure you }...
and when you believe >>> it will cost A LOT.
But when you really BELIEVE, THERE IS NO POWER ON (WHEREVER) CAN STOP YOU.

Even the Gods of ancient Rome or the Devils that Zionests worship can't stop you....

:)
HAMAS IS GOOD FOR THE WORLD

So... I'm sure tha... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
So... I'm sure that one of my grandfathers was a christian or a jew before he dicided to become a muslim... So, Muslims didn't come from Mars... WE (might be) ORIGINALLY were CHRISTAINS...

Actually Islam started in areas that were neither Jewish or Christian. That's not to say that individual Muslims weren't Jewish or Christian before they became Muslim, but most of those conversions were likely done at the point of a sword.

Which means that every church is a Palestinian inheritance that we share with all christians on the world...

Utter nonsense. You only demonstrate your profound ignorance of Christianity with statements like that. Christian churches were well established in Asia and Europe before the first Muslim drew breath, and it's from those early churches that Christianity spread throughout the world.

BE THANKFULL TO ISLAM (ALLAH) who told muslims to respect other religions.

Under Sharia law only Muslims, Jews and Christians are allowed to retain their religion. All others are required to convert to Islam or be killed. Even Jews and Christians were required to pay a tax to practice their religion and they were treated as second class citizens under Sharia law. Like so many things Muslims have been told, the claim that Islam respects other religions is a lie.

WE DON'T want jobs from them... we were living in peace on our land. We were farmers before beeing REFUGEES.

There never was a Palestine nation in all of history. Rome destroyed Israel around 73 AD, and in 1947 the Jews were restored to their rightful lands in fulfillment of Biblical prophesy. The scriptures also prophesize that before the end of the age, Israel will make peace with the surrounding nations. The scriptures tell us that you can know they are the true word of God because of fulfilled prophesy, and so far they have been 100% correct.

Palestinian refugee camp in Jordan, Lepanon, Gaza, and the west bank, the Apartheid Wall in WEST BANK and blockade of Gaza Strip proves that.

What it proves is the patience of Israel in dealing with those who to this day vow to destroy her. Jews know that if they ever lose a war the Muslims will slaughtered them like cattle.

Even the Gods of ancient Rome or the Devils that Zionests worship can't stop you....

The Qur'an says that Jesus is highly regarded both this age and the in age to come and it says that about no other person. This highly regarded prophet said that his father is God almighty, the vary God the Jews worship, yet you say they worship Devils. If anyone said that about Islam they would have a price on their head. Christians don't need to take offence because we know God is well able to deal with those who disrespect Him. Almighty God doesn't need puny humans to take action on His behalf. Besides, God's methods of dealing with people are by forgiveness, love and the gift of salvation to all who will receive it.

Biblical prophesy requires Israel to exist at the end of this age and those who fight to destroy Israel are fighting against Almighty God.

You are wrong Mr. Mac Lorry... (Below threshold)
Moha_Most_Gaza:

You are wrong Mr. Mac Lorry.

Yes... those who are not Muslims, christians or Jows have the freedom to worship...

For example... Chineese, indian, japanees, S. Koreans that are not christians, jows or Muslims, work and live in the Gulf countries, Egypt, Algeria FREE.

BUT... those who convert from Islam, Christianity or Judism to an other religion have the freedom to do so, EXCEPT those who play an important role in Society... like a muslim Imam, or important leaders and figures >>> those have to return to original religion becuase they will affect on their fellowers.... for more clarifications read for Al-Karadawi, please.

I'm not expert in telling about Islam or history...
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I didn't say that Jews worship the devil... no no
I said that Zionests worship the devil... yes

Jews know that they have no right to be here...
and we respect jowish religion BUT zionests inside the borders of PALESTINE will have big problems.
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I'm busy tonight... and I'm not good enough in english...

BUT do u believe in the bible??? are you a christian ???

you are just a zionest supporting the Biblical prophesy without believing it...

And how could you believe...!!!
How could you believe that the jows will establish this zionests state... why there was JUSUS for ???

Why is this state is not a christian state ???
HOW could you believe that this state must be a Jewish state?

Do you believe that Jesus was a jew?
or.. do you believe Jesus will return and destroy it... or to build it... in both cases they don't have the right to esablish this zionest state.

IF Jusus will return to bulid it then they have to wait for his return.*

and IF Jesus will return to destroy it then we will destroy it and when Jesus (PBUH) return he will congratulate us and fellow Islam in order to SPREAD PEACE all over the world.

"Zionests are just making use of the Bible"

*{ they have no right to speed up his return ... becuase its faith... he (PBUH) will return at the time that god wants to }

NOTE// I'm not an expert, I'm just telling what I knew and learnt at school... I can't shut up and I woun't.

I like wizbangblog and like to say thank you. :)

BE THANKFULL TO IS... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
BE THANKFULL TO ISLAM (ALLAH) who told muslims to respect other religions.

The above statement means that ISLAM respects other religions. To support that you cite other nations that do have some religious freedom.

For example... Chineese, indian, japanees, S. Koreans that are not christians, jows or Muslims, work and live in the Gulf countries, Egypt, Algeria FREE.

But these nations have a secular government rather than Sharia law. In Muslim nations like Sadia Arabia there is no religious freedom. If religious freedom were a fundamental teaching of Islam, then there would be religious freedom in all Muslim nations and that's not the case. You are wrong to says that Islam respects other religions.

I didn't say that Jews worship the devil... no no I said that Zionests worship the devil... yes

Zionists are orthodox Jews who want to re-establish Israel. Scriptures that date from over 3,000 years ago, and which have been proven authentic, describe the boarders of ancient Israel. There is no evidence of any Palestine nation in all of history. If you are going by who was on the land first, it was the Jews, not the Palestinians.

You want a nation of Palestine for Palestinians, and Jews want a nation of Israel for Jews. There are only two ways to settle such a dispute. By negotiations or by war. Negotiations have never worked in this case and the world is getting tired of the conflict. I'm all for letting the issue be resolved once and for all time by an all out war between Israel and any and all Arab nations that want to take part. However, the world will no longer tell Israel to stop or give back lands it takes in battle, they will be a permanent part of Israel.

With the election of Hamas, it seems the Palestinians want to have this war as well. All we need is to get the U.N. to set up the rules beforehand so everyone understands the consequences will be permanent. Are you willing?

BUT do u believe in the bible??? are you a christian ???

I believe the Protestant Bible and I'm a Christian.

How could you believe that the jows will establish this zionests state... why there was JUSUS for ???

Biblical prophesy requires Israel to exist at the return of Jesus. In 1947 that prophesy begin to unfold.

Why is this state is not a christian state ??? HOW could you believe that this state must be a Jewish state?

It's all part of God's plan. God has used the Jews throughout history to fulfill His plan of salvation for ALL people. The gift of salvation was paid for in full and for all time by the shed blood of God's Holy only begotten Son as he died on the cross. It's a long story, but the Cross was a trap God set for Satin to lawfully take back what Adam gave to Satin, which was the souls of all Adam's descendents (that's you and me). When Satin accuses a Christian of sin before God, that Christian replies that Jesus paid the full price for all my sins and He gave me His righteousness. Of course if you don't believe Jesus did that for you, then you stand before God in your own righteousness as Satin accuses you. You have no chance on your own, and the gift is freely offered, but you must accept it in this life.

Do you believe that Jesus was a jew?

Jews believe Jesus was a jew, but Christians believe Jesus IS a jew, as is His Father. God brought Abraham into God's family and gave Abraham his name.

IF Jusus will return to bulid it then they have to wait for his return.*

The body of Jesus the Christ (Christ means the Anointed one) are the Christians who make up the Church. It was Christians in the form of a Christian nations, the United States and others, who re-establish Israel as a nation in 1947. You see Jesus has already re-established Iseral in fullfillment of prophesy and in preparation for His return.

At some point all the nations around Israel will make peace with Israel, which is another biblical prophesy. When you see that happen, then you know the Bible is true and Jesus is returning. All people who ever lived will stand before Jesus and give account. Will you be ready?

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SO ITS WAR

Jesus is not a God...
Ask the jews... Do they believe in Jesus as a God or even a prophet?

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I believe the Protestant Bible and I'm a Christian.
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How could you you believe in what humans wrote by hand and claim its from Gad...

Don't you feel a shame of writing "Protestant" discribing a Bible ?!!!
YOU are LOST
You have to believe in what is from GOD

And before that... you have to be sure that you believe in THE GOD.

And why should I give account before Jesus... Jesus didn't creat himself.

Muslims believe in THE GOD that created Jeusu and created Adam... Don't you see the similarity between Adam and Jesus.

WAR... US supports Israel ... US and other countries established Israel...

You can't lie... if you gave your self permition to lie... it's up to you... but don't lie ON YOUSELF... US and other countries don't represent or respect christianity. They are the oringin of secular system.

Suadi Arabia is one of the Gulf countries.
Kuwait and Suadi Arabia fellow Sharia law and have thousends of Hindo workers and thousends of christian US workers.

US and other countries are gaint ZERO.

US and other countries never stop support to Israel. Israel never stop targetting unarmed civilians and children.
US and other countries are responsible and WILL PAY FOR IT. Are they ready to give account?

I tell what... we are not afraid to die, are you?
Are you ready to give account?

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Jesus is not a God... Ask the jews... Do they believe in Jesus as a God or even a prophet?

The Jews didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah just as the scriptures prophesied they wouldn't. Had they recognized Jesus as the Messiah, then they wouldn't have crucified Him as the scriptures prophesied they would. Had the Jews not crucified Jesus, then God's trap for Satan wouldn't have worked. Without Jesus being unjustly crucified there could have been no redemption for Adam's decedents.

How could you you believe in what humans wrote by hand and claim its from Gad...

Only God controls the future and the scriptures say that you can test them by fulfillment of the prophesies. The scriptures have been 100% accurate to this day and that proves they are the word of almighty God.

Don't you feel a shame of writing "Protestant" discribing a Bible ?!!! YOU are LOST You have to believe in what is from GOD

Not ashamed at all. The Protestant Bible is the pure word of Almighty God. Jesus is the only begotten Son of Almighty God and he made full satisfaction for all people on the Cross with the shedding of His Holy Blood. I have received that gift and stand blameless before Almighty God.

And why should I give account before Jesus... Jesus didn't creat himself.

Jesus is not a created being. He is the only begotten Son of God, not made, but of one substance with God. Almighty God has made Jesus the judge you will stand before on the last day. If you received the gift He paid for, then you are blameless before Almighty God. If not, then you stand before God in your own righteousness as Satan accuses you, and only one sin is needed for you to be condemned. That's why Jesus had to pay the price for Adam's decedents, because without that gift no man could be saved.

Muslims believe in THE GOD that created Jeusu and created Adam... Don't you see the similarity between Adam and Jesus.

The Bible warns that Satan can appear as an angle of light. Satan is the great deceiver and Christians believe Muslims have been deceived by Satan to prevent them form receiving the gift of salvation Jesus paid for with his earthly life.

You can't lie... if you gave your self permition to lie... it's up to you... but don't lie ON YOUSELF... US and other countries don't represent or respect christianity. They are the oringin of secular system.

The U.S. was founded by Christians and upon Christian principles, and in 1947 is was a still a predominately Christian nation. Freedom of religion is a Christian principles, because we know that each person must freely choose to receive salvation, it can't be forced upon them. Force religion has no value before God.

Suadi Arabia is one of the Gulf countries. Kuwait and Suadi Arabia fellow Sharia law and have thousends of Hindo workers and thousends of christian US workers.

And those workers are fine as long as they don't publicly practice their religion. Christinas are "people of the book" and would be allowed to practice their religion but any Hindo that tried to do that would have to convert to Islam or be put to death. Force religion has no value before God.

US and other countries never stop support to Israel. Israel never stop targetting unarmed civilians and children.

Death of the innocent is one of the prices of war. The U.S. and Israel could kill far more if that was their purpose. That fact that large gatherings such as funeral are not attacked shows Israel is not trying to kill innocent people, but they sometimes get in the way when Israel targets leaders of Hamas and others who attack Israel.

US and other countries are responsible and WILL PAY FOR IT. Are they ready to give account?

We hear that a lot from fundamentalist Muslims, but when war does come, like in Iraq, they hide from our solders among the innocent and set bombs like cowards, yet we kill them by the thousands.

I tell what... we are not afraid to die, are you?

And we are not afraid to kill you, and our solders show far more courage in battle than fundamentalist Muslims do. Don't you understand that the U.S. was founded in war, was given birth in war and is sustained by war. We don't fear war, we seek it out all over the world just for practice. War is part of the American culture and we are really good at it. Just think what we could do in an all out war like WW2.

Muslims attacked us on 9/11 and destroyed two buildings, the U.S. responded and destroyed two Muslim governments. Attacking the U.S. just gives us an excuse to destroy more Muslim governments. That may be how peace comes to the middle-east, when there are no more Muslim governments in the area. Like president Bush said, "bring it on".

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Thats why you supprot Israel

BECUASE YOUR GOD IS A JEW.


Change your name to be Slave of Jew.
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Death is in the hand of God...
You can't kill...

Can you stop DEATH from reaching you?

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How could you you believe in what humans wrote by hand and claim its from Gad...

You ask why believe something written with human hands as if you knew the Qur'an wasn't written by human hands. I say as if you knew, because you weren't there when the Qur'an was written 15 centuries ago, no one living today can say they really know. You depend on the witness of the men who were present when the Qur'an was written, but that witness was written only by human hands. There is software that recognizes speech and prints it out, so I could dictate some philosophy and truthfully claim it was not written by human hands. You see, it's not who writes but who speaks that is important.

God knew this and wanted to prove to all generations which were his true words, and the only way to do that is by prophesy. Angels may see dimly into the future, but only Almighty God knows and controls the future. The old testament made many prophesies about nations and the Messiah God promised. The prophesies are so we could know the Messiah and Jesus fulfilled them all. The new testament prophesized the destruction of Israel and the Jewish temple and that came to pass in about 73 AD. Yet the new testament also prophesies that the nation of Israel would exist when Jesus returns. No nation in all history that was totally destroyed in ancient times has ever been restored except for Israel, they even speak their ancient language. The fulfillment of this prophesy is a sign to all people that the Bible is the true word of Almighty God.

The Bible also prophesizes that God will bless Israel and all nations that are friends of Israel. So what nation in the world is Israel's best friend? There may be some question of that, but Israel's enemies know and so when they burn the flag of Israel they also burn the flag of the Unites States of American along side it. When I see that I thank God and remind Him of his promise to bless the nations that are friends with Israel. The prosperity of the Unites States of American is not because of human wisdom or strength, it's a gift from God, fulfillment of Biblical prophesy, and to further God's own plans.

God warns in the old testament that there can be no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood. God wasn't talking about the blood of animals or of sinful men, but the Holy Blood of His only begotten Son Jesus, the great I Am, the Messiah, the Christ, Lord of lords, King of kings, second person of the Holy Trinity. So great was the sin of Adam as he betrayed God and gave to Satan the authority God gave to Adam, that only Jesus could pay the price for redemption of humankind and take back from Satan what God gave Adam. Satan could not understand what was happening as the Jews nailed Jesus to the cross. Satan could not understand that Jesus so loved humankind that He came willingly to the cross to accept All sins for All people for All time to be placed on Him alone, that people could stand before Almighty God in the righteousness of Jesus.

It doesn't matter how many Muslims are willing to die to destroy Israel or how many nuclear bombs they may obtain. No one, not even Satan or 1.5 billion Muslims can defeat Almighty God and it's His plan for Israel to exist at the end of the age. The Jews rejected Jesus when He came to Earth the first time, so when Jesus comes the second time He will return to the Jews, but this time in unimaginable power and glory. All those who acknowledged the first coming of Jesus and accepted what Jesus did for them on the cross will stand before Almighty God in the righteousness of Jesus with their sins blotted out by His shed Blood.

So what will you do, continue to fight against God's plan or turn to Him and receive the gift of salvation?

Thats why you supprot Israel

BECUASE YOUR GOD IS A JEW.

Not just my God, but your God too. There is only one God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God who created all things. The God to whom all people must give account.

Can you stop DEATH from reaching you?

The Bible teaches that all humans must die physically except for those alive at the end of the age and one or two of the old testament prophets. Spiritually I have already passed from death into life. Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world, so I have no need to fear the servants of Satan.

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Not just my God, but your God too. There is only one God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God who created all things. The God to whom all people must give account.
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NO no... you must be a jew youself. Trying to fool christians...

Jesus never was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, SIMPLY, becuase he had not been created by that time...

Think again... How could prophets demand people to believe in a human as a God...!!!

How could people belive that Satan or 1.5 billion Muslims can't defeat that guy who was killed on the cross by tenths of humans.

Who crossed that guy are a lot less power than satan or 1.5 billion Muslims.

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No one, not even Satan or 1.5 billion Muslims can defeat Almighty God and it's His plan for Israel to exist at the end of the age.
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***No one, not even Satan or 1.5 billion Muslims can defeat Almighty God ...Very Good.
But, do you fellow Almighty God or Satan ?

***it's His plan for Israel to exist at the end of the age... You can't force God to do things he didn't want to do.

you remind me with the reason why Jews didn't fellow Islam... In Qura'an, Allah says that Jews didn't fellow Islam becuase they wish that Allah will send an other messenger one of them like before. Allah sent many prohpets before Mohammed and they didn't fellow... Jesus is one of those prohpets that Jews didn't believe in and many before Jesus.

If they fellowed and believed in Jesus things would changed a lot...

I'm not saying that they are behind the killing of that guy... but simply they don't believ in... and >>> How could Jesus be a jew and jews don't believe in Jesus???

COME ON PLEASE

Try to understand...
USA and Israel -- now, not in the days of Jesus --
worship the Devil.

The servants of Satan are Zionests from all over the world.

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Mac Lorry:
Jesus never was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, SIMPLY, becuase he had not been created by that time...

Jesus was not made, but was begotten of God before the foundation of the earth was laid. Jesus is the only begotten Son of Almighty God.

Think again... How could prophets demand people to believe in a human as a God...!!!

Humans are spirits who have a physical body. When the body dies, the spirit lives on apart from the body. Almighty God is the Father of all spirits and He Himself is a spirit. Almighty God can do anything. Does Islam teach something else? God had no problem giving his only begotten Son, who is a spirit, a human body. Why would you think that was hard for God to do?

How could people belive that Satan or 1.5 billion Muslims can't defeat that guy who was killed on the cross by tenths of humans.

Who crossed that guy are a lot less power than satan or 1.5 billion Muslims.

It was God's plan for Jesus to die on the cross. As I said before it was a trap to lawfully defeat Satan. God can do anything but He has bound himself by His own word so that He can never lie. When God created Adam, He gave Adam dominion over the Earth. When Adam betrayed God to Satan, Satan gained Adam's dominion over the Earth and over all of Adam's descendents (you and me included). God allowed Jesus to die on the cross so that all the sins of all people for all time could be put upon Jesus alone. Once Jesus was physically dead, Satan fell for the trap and unlawfully took the spirit of Jesus into Hell and tortured Him for three days. Once almighty God was satisfied that all sins were paid for, He restored Jesus to His rightful place, the Holy Son of God who was now lawfully in the capital of Satan's domain. Satan was forced to worship Jesus and in so doing lawfully gave to Jesus what Adam had lost.

Those who accept what Jesus did for them are forgiven all their sins and stand blameless before Almighty God. The only catch is that you have to do so in this life.

But, do you fellow Almighty God or Satan ?

Obviously I follow God. How do I know? By the scriptures. How do I know they are the true word of God? By fulfillment of prophesy after prophesy after prophesy. Atheists have been trying for centuries to disprove the Bible, but have not succeeded. In fact, many have become Christians as they study the Bible.

You believe the Qur'an because someone told you it was not written by human hands. You really can't know that because you weren't there and no one you know was there. All you have are the writings of witnesses who were there at the writing of the Qur'an, but what the witnesses wrote was written by human hands. God would not have required future generations to depend on such weak logic.

you remind me with the reason why Jews didn't fellow Islam... In Qura'an, Allah says that Jews didn't fellow Islam becuase they wish that Allah will send an other messenger one of them like before.

The Jews did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah just as the scriptures prophesied they wouldn't. Had the Jews recognized Jesus as the Messiah then they wouldn't have put Him on the cross and God's plan to destroy the works of Satan would not have worked. The Messiah didn't come to restore the Jewish nation, but to defeat Satan so that all humans could be redeemed. The Jews rejected Jesus when He was among them in the form of a man, so it's God's plan that Jesus will return to the Jews in the form of God when He returns. That's why Israel must exits just as the Bible prophesies.

I'm not saying that they are behind the killing of that guy... but simply they don't believ in... and >>> How could Jesus be a jew and jews don't believe in Jesus???

It was the sins of all people for all time that put Jesus on the cross, not just the Jews, my sins and yours as well. How else could Jesus pay the price for my sins and your sins. In love beyond all understanding God made full satisfaction for the sins of all people. All anyone has to do is affirmatively receive that gift to be blameless before Almighty God.

The Jews don't deny Jesus was a Jew, they just deny that he is the Messiah. They were looking for someone to restore the Jewish nation (Israel) and that was not God's plan at that time. Jesus through His church (which is called the body of Christ) has now restored Israel. Maybe the Jews will finally see that Jesus is the Messiah.

Try to understand... USA and Israel -- now, not in the days of Jesus -- worship the Devil. The servants of Satan are Zionests from all over the world.

Christians, wherever they are at worship Almighty God. Many Christians are in the U.S. and some are in Israel and maybe even a few where you live. Christians support the existence of Israel because we know it's God's plan in preparation for the end of this age.

That doesn't mean there can't be a prosperous and peaceful Palestine, but as long as the goal of Palestinians is to destroy Israel they are fighting against God's plan and will not prosper. You would think that after many wars against overwhelming numbers and more that 60 years of effort against Israel that Palestinians would see God's hand in protecting Israel.

As always, Satan tries to defeat God's plans and so Satan has incited his followers to destroy Israel, but Satan is doomed to fail again.


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Jesus was not made, but was begotten of God before the foundation of the earth was laid. Jesus is the only begotten Son of Almighty God.
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DID JESUS SAY THAT? NO NO NO NO
FELLOWERS OF JESUS SAID THAT... TRYING TO UNDERSTAND... BUT THEY MISSUNDERSTOOD THE REALITY OF JESUS.

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Humans are spirits who have a physical body.
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VERY GOOD.

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Almighty God is the Father of all spirits and He Himself is a spirit.
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Almighty God IS THE OWNER OF ALL... ANYTHING...
but HIMSELF !!! NOTHING LOOK LIKE Almighty God.

WE HAVE NO CHOICE TO SAY NO TO Almighty God.
Almighty God (ALLAH) SAID IN QURA'AN THAT HE TOOK PROPHET ABRAHAM TO BE 'KHALEEL' LIKE A FRIEND AND WE BELIEVE IN THAT... TOOK PROPHET MOSHEEH TO TALK WITH... WE BELIEVE IN THAT.
Almighty God TAKES WHATEVER TO BE AS ANYTHING, WE FELLOW AND BELIEVE IN...

BUT Almighty God NEVER TOOK A WIFE OR A SON...
EVEN IF HE DID ...WE HAVE NO CHOICE...
but, simply, he didn't.

SAYING "Jesus was not made, but was begotten of God" IS A LIE... COZ JESUS NEVER SAID THAT.

TORAH WAS WRITTEN AGES AFTER MOSHEH DIED and never found in Torah or any prophet before that God will have a son.

THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN AND CHURCHES WERE BUILT MANY MANY YEARS AFTYER THE CROSSING.

please... please...
The one you think he is a god was crossed before he finish his work... before he write a word of the bible before he biult a church...

IS IT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU KNOW THAT???!!!
It's really wierd... I think questions like this are dailly asked and no one is giving answers, except Islam...

especially, what you are writting up there...
this can't convence little children... please.

THE PROBLEM in the US and the WEST is that humans are the biggest losers of these lies.

Humans are getting more far from religion. and behaivor is worsing... Socially and economically.

the look at humans as LAPORS is driving slavory back... men and women getting more materialstic.

Helping Israel to speed Jesus return !!!

When Jesus return,, do you think he will keep silent on Zionests crimes and the west selfishness?

OK.. here is Israel... where is Jesus???

you can wait for Jesus but we will work on the liberation of our land.

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Christians, wherever they are at worship Almighty God.
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Since when ???
DOES THE USA AND THE WEST BELIEVE IN JESUS.!!!??
How could you conclude that???
BECUASE THEY SUPPORT ISRAEL!!!????

THERE ARE NO CHRISTIANS EXCPT THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE CHURCH.

Most of the rest are sinners??
Actully, you write
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It was the sins of all people for all time that put Jesus on the cross, not just the Jews, my sins and yours as well. How else could Jesus pay the price for my sins and your sins.
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That makes us all SINNERS, since Adam...

which mean that the prostitute is equal to an honorable mother that sacrfies her life for her husband and family.

AND the murderer is like the victim... the victim that lost life lost every thing.

the murderer who will live to kill ...will be equal with the victim.

Thats why people call themselves christians and turn their back to the church and its values.

Whatever you do... Jeusu already paid for it...
!!!!!!!! IRONIC!!!!!!!!!!!
Islam teach us that...
Jesus will be asked for what he did in his life like any other human or prophet.

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You believe the Qur'an because someone told you it was not written by human hands.
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Long time ago >>>> since I was young... I asked myself... Qura'an, is it from god or written by human hands ???

I'm an Arab, I can read Arabic... so I usually read Qura'an...But when I read it to check is it from God or humans, Believe me, every word tells that it's from God not from Mohammed or any...

Part of this believe is to respect christian and jewish religion... like I told you before,,, I feel proud to say that one of my Grandfathers was a christian or a jew before he convert to Islam.

Islam is complementry religion of judism and christianity....
BUT NOT NOWDAYS JUDISM AND CHRISTIANITY.

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As always, Satan tries to defeat God's plans and so Satan has incited his followers to destroy Israel, but Satan is doomed to fail again.
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That is the question...
THIS 'ISRAEL' IS SATANIC.
and their god is Satan.
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Satan is doomed to fail again
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Thanks to God.


note/ I really like to write more but forgive my poor english can't explain in english... Arabic is very rich language and my english is poor... sorry.

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Mac Lorry:
DID JESUS SAY THAT? NO NO NO NO FELLOWERS OF JESUS SAID THAT... TRYING TO UNDERSTAND... BUT THEY MISSUNDERSTOOD THE REALITY OF JESUS.

Jesus not only reviled that He and He alone was the Son of God, but that He was with God before the foundations of the earth were laid. He also said He and the Father (almighty God) are one. There's no misunderstanding.

Almighty God IS THE OWNER OF ALL... ANYTHING... but HIMSELF !!! NOTHING LOOK LIKE Almighty God.

Almighty God says of Himself that He is spirit and must be worshiped in spirit. He is also the Father of all spirits.

BUT Almighty God NEVER TOOK A WIFE OR A SON... EVEN IF HE DID ...WE HAVE NO CHOICE... but, simply, he didn't.

You are trying to apply earthly things to God. Jesus wasn't created or born, but begotten. The cells in your body divide into two cells and you can't say which was the original and which is the duplicate. Both cells have all the same functions as the original. If cells can beget other cells why do you doubt that God could beget God?

SAYING "Jesus was not made, but was begotten of God" IS A LIE... COZ JESUS NEVER SAID THAT.

Yes, Jesus said He and the Father are the same. His disciples asked Jesus to show them the Father and Jesus told them that by seeing Him they had seen the Father. Like a cell that has split, when you look at one of the cells from the original you know what the other cell looks like.

TORAH WAS WRITTEN AGES AFTER MOSHEH DIED and never found in Torah or any prophet before that God will have a son.

Moses wrote the first four books of the Torah and many passages point to the coming of the Messiah. Jesus revealed that not only was He the Messiah, but the Son of God. Jesus says it was He who appeared to Moses.

THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN AND CHURCHES WERE BUILT MANY MANY YEARS AFTYER THE CROSSING.

This myth was debunked more than 60 years ago. Archeologists discovered many papyrus leave containing passages from the New testament that date from the 1st century. This proves that the New Testament was written while many eye witnesses were still alive. Beyond that, the New Testament contains many prophesies that have come true long after they were written. This proves the New Testament is the word of God.

please... please... The one you think he is a god was crossed before he finish his work... before he write a word of the bible before he biult a church...

Going to the cross was the very reason Jesus came to Earth in the form of a man, so that he could destroy the works of Satan and redeem humankind. Telling future generations of what He did was left up to His disciples.

IS IT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU KNOW THAT???!!! It's really wierd... I think questions like this are dailly asked and no one is giving answers, except Islam... especially, what you are writting up there... this can't convence little children... please.

Islam has no answers. After Jesus took back from Satan what Adam lost, Satan set about to deceive as many people as he could to prevent them from receiving what Jesus did for them. What should convince you is fulfillment of prophesy. Only almighty God controls and knows the future, so it's the fulfillment of prophesy that proves the Bible is the true world of God.

Humans are getting more far from religion. and behaivor is worsing... Socially and economically. the look at humans as LAPORS is driving slavory back... men and women getting more materialstic.

You yourself have observed fulfillment of Biblical prophesy for increasing knowledge, travel and decreasing morals are prophesied in the Bible as the end of the age approaches.

Helping Israel to speed Jesus return !!! When Jesus return,, do you think he will keep silent on Zionests crimes and the west selfishness?

No one can either speed or slow the return of Jesus. It's God's timetable. When Jesus returns He will judge all humankind not just Jews, but all people who ever lived.

OK.. here is Israel... where is Jesus???

When Jesus returns every eye will see his return as it will be the end of the age and the day of judgment.

you can wait for Jesus but we will work on the liberation of our land.

Only fools fight against God's plan. Not only will you not succeed, all the nations around Israel will make peace with Israel. I know you can't believe that, but that is what the Bible prophesies will happen. When that does happen you will know the Bible is God's true word.

That makes us all SINNERS, since Adam...

YES. All of us are born sinners. Our nature is the same as Adam's.

which mean that the prostitute is equal to an honorable mother that sacrfies her life for her husband and family. AND the murderer is like the victim... the victim that lost life lost every thing. the murderer who will live to kill ...will be equal with the victim.

You cannot earn salvation yourself. What will a man give God that is not already God's? Does not the life of an honorable mother already belong to God? God is perfect and judges perfectly and the same God who said not to murder also said not to lie, to steal, or to want what others have. No flesh is justified in God's sight.

Whatever you do... Jeusu already paid for it... !!!!!!!! IRONIC!!!!!!!!!!!

YES. That's the wonder of God's love and the riches of God's mercy. Jesus has made full satisfaction for all sins of all people for all time. Only the Holy Son of God could pay such a price and by doing so He has set us free from bondage to sin and death. The gift of salvation is of limitless value, yet it is offered to all people freely. But to have it you must believe in who Jesus is and confess with your mouth what Jesus has done for you and you must do so in this life.

What is Ironic is that many people die in their sins without receiving the gift of salvation. How about you?

Islam teach us that... Jesus will be asked for what he did in his life like any other human or prophet.

The Bible teach us that Jesus is who all people will stand before on the last day and give account of their lives. Those who have accepted what Jesus has done for them are already found blameless, all other's must face judgement in their own righteousness. A single sin is all that is needed to condom a person to eternal punishment. God is just in so doing because He made a way for all to be saved, so those who refuse to accept what Jesus did are deserving of eternal punishment.

I'm an Arab, I can read Arabic... so I usually read Qura'an...But when I read it to check is it from God or humans, Believe me, every word tells that it's from God not from Mohammed or any...

Everyone who believes a religion believes as you do, but how do you know for sure? Your eternal soul is at stake, so you need to be sure. Even miracles are not enough, because Satan can appear as an angel of light and even do miracles. God reserves for Himself the ability to control the future, so only by prophesy can any of us know what is God's true word and what is not. The New Testament of the Bible has many prophesies about things that will happen near the end of the age. I have told you only a few, but there are many more, some that have already been fulfilled and many more are to come.

Islam is complementry religion of judism and christianity....

No one who denies who Jesus is and what He did is of God. The Bible tells us many will turn away from God's plan for salvation, but on the last day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.

That is the question...THIS 'ISRAEL' IS SATANIC. and their god is Satan.

Nevertheless, it's God's plan for Israel to exist when Jesus returns. The Bible tells us that every eye will see Jesus returning and Jesus will set down in Israel. Not to restore Israel, but to judge all people, the Jews first and then all others, but before all this comes the great tribulation. First three and a half years of peace and prosperity followed by three and a half years of plagues, pestilence, famines and disasters such as the world has never seen.

Jesus says after His resurrection from the dead "Do not be afraid: I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."

It's best to accept God's gift of salvation while it's still offered.

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JESUS IS NOT GOD

THE GOD OF ZIONESTS IS SATAN
http://www.palpress.ps/english/index.php?maa=ReadStory&ChannelID=4675


When that ZIONEST Army reoccupied west bank, 2-3 years ago, they controlled a local Palestinain TV.
AND broadcated PORN MOVIES on AIR...

Don't they produce porn movies !!?? don't they support homosexulity!!??

THERE GOD IS SATAN and ZIONEST state is Satanic.

They don't believe in Jesus... The ZIONESTS fool ALL Christians ... telling them that Jesus will return ACCORDING to Islam, According to Qura'an.

Muslims believe that Jesus will return. Zionests DON'T believe in Jesus.

If they believe in Jesus then they must become christians...

I believe in THE GOD

I like to write more... but can't explain.
THE GOD, all believe in, know what is deep inside you...

I know that you believe in God... Actually... you believe in The GOD... but people said that Jesus is the ... son and add so many stuff in the biblle.

What is relgion but a way to improve human daily attitude and guide humans to reach the ideal way of achieving sole purity.

Christians lost their way... becuase of the non realy believers, from the jews and chrestians, and other reasons.

But in Islam... everyone, who can read and understand Arabic, can read Qura'an and fellow Islam DIRECTLY.

This holy book is the same book since Mohammed (PBUH).

Laws are clear in Qura'an.
This Qura'an is a living Mirecale.
Every (A'aya) in Qura'an is a Mirecale.

Try to read the Qura'an in English( Arabic is the best version) ... Keep away from US_Quraan in english (not true Quraan :) )

MAY THE GOD SHOW YOU THE RIGHT WAY to fellow.
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**THE GOD NEVER DIE**
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Almighty god never die

Note/ Mr. Mac write easy english next time, please.

Hey, Moha:Your Qu'... (Below threshold)
Joe Anonymous:

Hey, Moha:

Your Qu'ranic laws are barbaric.

Mohammed was a liar, a fraud, and a child-rapist.

Jews have done more for the benefit of the world in the last 100 years alone than Muslims have in over 1,000.

That easy enough English for you?

Joe

There's little point in arg... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

There's little point in arguing more about Christianity and Islam. I'm a Christian and you are Muslim, the two religions are not compatible with each other. What is fact, is that Christians believe the establishment of Israel is God's will and fulfillment of prophesy.

I feel sorry for the people who are being deceived by Satan. Every time I see rioting in the streets over cartoons I see Satan at work. Ever time I see beheadings in the name of Islam, I see Satan at work. Ever time I see the aftermath of a suicide bomber, I see Satan at work. Ever time I hear of threats against people speaking out about mistreatment of women, I see Satan at work. The list goes on and on, and I know God would not be a part of such things.




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