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Jay Bennish on Today Show

Colorado teacher Jay Bennish was on the Today Show this morning where Matt Lauer helped him with his defense: he was set up by Sean Allen.

Lauer: "The family here, the student's family, didn't go to the school board with this tape."


Bennish: "They never contacted me."

Lauer: "They shopped it around to conservative media outlets and finally released it to one and created an uproar. On the tape you can hear Sean Allen [the student in question] asking you questions that seem to be egging you on a little bit. Do you feel you were set up?"

That's classic. A teacher goes on an anti-American, Bush-is-Hitler diatribe and Lauer blames the student who taped the teacher. Typical liberal mantra: never take responsibility; always blame someone else.

Here's more. A Rocky Mountain News columnist insinuates that Bennish was set up.

For you parents out there, today we bring you a little pop quiz.


Your child is having trouble with a teacher. You want to clear up the problem.

And so you:

A. Ask for a conference with the teacher.

B. Ask for a conference with the principal.

C. Ask for a conference with the teacher and the principal.

D. Send your concerns to a college professor in faraway Virginia who sometimes subs for Rush Limbaugh on his radio show - and never bother to talk to the teacher at all.

Obviously, the correct answer is D. And if that seems strange, you haven't been paying attention in class.

Suitably Flip comments that Bennish goes skinhead.

Hat tip: Michelle Malkin


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Comments (71)

Paraphrasing Marion Barry, ... (Below threshold)

Paraphrasing Marion Barry, "the b*****d set me up!".

Hmmmm.So. Bennish... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

So. Bennish was setup by a *high school student*?

Frankly if I were him I wouldn't be going on national television talking about how I was outsmarted by a highschooler.

Ah! Finally, the "I'm the v... (Below threshold)
Rick13:

Ah! Finally, the "I'm the victim here" card!

I listened to the audio of ... (Below threshold)

I listened to the audio of TEACHER CAUGHT IN BUSH RANT, with great interest. Also, with sadness.

My name is Michael Class. I live in the Seattle area with my wife and two children. I am a retired "dot-com" executive turned author, photographer, and publisher.

I was appalled at how some teachers presented American history to my children. My son and daughter learned that Thomas Jefferson had slaves--before they learned that he wrote the document articulating our rights and duties as free people. European settlers killed Native Americans with blankets infected with smallpox, they found out. That allegation upstaged the stories of courage, perseverance, and curiosity that defined the pioneers. My children knew that more than a hundred thousand people died when the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan, but they were not made to understand the moral context and the enormous scale of the conflict called World War II in which the atomic bomb story fit.

With a curriculum seemingly designed to instill guilt and shame, I wondered, how will my kids ever discover the lessons of history that inspire greatness and noble aspirations? Will they ever believe that they can make a difference? Will they have any heroes left at all? Then, I wondered: What would the heroes of America's past say to the children of today?

I wrote, photographed, and published a book designed to set the record straight, to properly prepare our children for the future. My book is called Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. 

If anyone knows where I can reach 10th-grader Sean Allen, I will gladly send him a FREE copy of my book. He did the right thing.

My book specifically rebuts the positions taken by teacher Jay Bennish - because I have heard his arguments so many times before. My book tells the truth about capitalism, the War on Terror, and places them in historical perspective.

In the book, my real-life son, twelve-year-old Anthony, time-travels into the great events of the 20th century. Digital photographic "magic" places Anthony in the cockpit of the Spirit of St. Louis with Charles Lindbergh, on the moon with Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, in the laboratories of Thomas Edison and Jonas Salk, and on Normandy beach on D-Day. It looks as though Anthony really did meet Thomas Edison, Jonas Salk, FDR, Lou Gehrig, Charles Lindbergh, and Audie Murphy. And it's all historically accurate: Even Anthony's conversations with America's heroes are based on things they really said. (See the photos: www.MagicPictureFrame.com)

While writing and photographing the book, I spoke with relatives of famous scientists and inventors, Holocaust survivors, award-winning biographers, and others who could help me ensure that the facts of the book were both accurate and vivid. 

But the book goes beyond a simple recitation of historical facts: the book presents the moral lessons of American history. The chapter about Lindbergh's flight is really about choosing one's destiny. The story of Lou Gehrig is one of a virtuous life. The chapter about Thomas Edison is really about business. The story of Apollo 11 is about wonder, taking risks, and courage. The story of Dr. Jonas Salk and the cure for polio is really about dedicating one's life to a higher purpose. When Anthony "meets" his immigrant great-grandfather at Ellis Island in 1907, it's really a story about what it means to be an American. Anthony's observation of D-Day and the liberation of the death camps during the Holocaust is a testament to the reality of evil and the need to fight it.

The book is meant to challenge the young reader. Many adults will find the book challenging, too. Anthony COMPARES the people and events of the past with the people and events of his own time. Anthony discusses the nature of good and evil, right and wrong, war and peace, what it means to be an American, honor and discipline, success and achievement, courage and destiny, marriage and family, God and purpose. Anthony's observations prompt serious discussion of timeless moral questions. Anthony challenges the reader to think critically - to see the modern world in the light of the lessons of the past. 

We can't afford to raise a generation of Americans who do not value their country, their heritage, and their place in the world. As Abraham Lincoln said: America is the "last best hope of earth."

Thank you.

Michael S. Class
Author / Photographer / Publisher

Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: An American History Book for Right-Thinking Parents and Their Children

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E-Mail: [email protected]
Web site: www.MagicPictureFrame.com


Next up, "Home owner entrap... (Below threshold)
MikeB:

Next up, "Home owner entraps house burglar by having nice things and leaving door unlocked."

- MikeB

You will find out when you ... (Below threshold)
Rodney Dill:

You will find out when you get there but depending on the problem a. b. and c. can all end with repercussions on the kid.

Typical liberal mantra: ... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

Typical liberal mantra: never take responsibility; always blame someone else.

Get off your high horse. Look at the prez and tell me he isn't the posterboy for passing the buck.

Lesson:There is no... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Lesson:

There is no topic that a liberal cannot turn into Bush bashing.

The amazing thing about all... (Below threshold)
ts:

The amazing thing about all this is that so much of what he claims is demonstrably false. So it is not purely a question of a teacher expressing a personal view in the classroom, but more a question of a teacher who is passing off falsehoods in a classroom as facts.

I wonder if the school boar... (Below threshold)
epador:

I wonder if the school board or principal had any complaints about this teacher before the tape was revealed.

I also wonder if the reaction would have been as swift or strong if that route was taken with the tape.

Its no wonder the fellow is whining to the liberal media, and no wonder that the family took the tape to the conservative media.

The question I have is: Is there any INDEPENDENT MEDIA that would have responsibly handled this story?

Hmmm, this is a pretty inte... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Hmmm, this is a pretty interesting topic here. First of all, I do not think thats it's necessary to go aorund demonizing the professor. If you read the transcript, you might notice that there is quite a lot of interaction between the student (Allen) and the teacher. It ends with Bennish saying this:

Alright, and so this becomes very, very muddled. And I'm not in any way implying that you should agree with me. I don't even know if I'm necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think, right, about these issues more in-depth, you know, and not just take things from the surface. And I'm glad you asked all your questions, because they're very good, legitimate questions. And hopefully that allows other people to begin to think about some of those things, too.

I think that conservatives are getting all pissed off because they disagree with the basic political position that this guy holds. The teacher is presenting an alternative view of some things, and he ends up by telling his kids to THINK MORE IN DEPTH. I think thats a pretty good idea.

The kid has some good rebuttals. I think thats commendable. I think the whole debate/arguement that was going on was a good thing, and DO NOT think that running to a conservative radio show and "outing" the teacher was a good way to go abou this whole thing.

Freedom of speech is pretty important, as is the freedom to choose your political ideology. In life, you might not always hear the things you want to hear, and you might disagree with people severely. Thats the way that things go, especially in a place like the United States.

I'm not sure why the kid didnt go talk to the teacher about his concerns. Why treat the whole thing like espionage? I think thats starting a dangerous little game between liberals and conservatives, and honestly I am completely against it.

Divergent viewpoints are good. We all have to learn how to defend our views in the face of opposition...in this case I think that the father could have taken the opportunity to teach his kid this lesson: you aint always gonna be spoonfed what you want to hear.

I guess we can go around calling anyone who doesnt agree with us "anti-american," or we can understand that in a free and open society we are going to be challenged with different views and understandings of the world.

Teachers are in a position of power, and we do need to pay attention to the ways they engage with students. Very important. The goal, to me, is teaching students to understand history and politics by thinking about varyious positions and coming to their own conclusions. The answer does not lie in continually presenting any one political position or viewpoint as if it is THE correct version.

Critical thinking is the goal, not brainwashing. I personally dont agree with things that the teacher said. If my kid came home with that tape I would listen to it and try to discuss why I disagreed. I might go talk to to teach myself about my disagreement and see how that went. I sure as fuck would not go about things the way that this kids father did. What has he taught his son? That you "turn in" people you disagree with? That, to me, is bullshit.

Bennish is a great teacher.... (Below threshold)
RFS:

Bennish is a great teacher.

Hmmm.1. What is at... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

1. What is at issue here ryan isn't just that Bennish went off the cliff with this stuff. It's that he was supposed to teach *geography*.

Frankly I'd like to give a pop-quiz to his students and get them to properly name countries,capitals and whatnot to see if they've actually been taught ... you know ... geography.

Now if Bennish was tasked to teach political science or political history or contemporary America or some such thing, then I could at least see a connection. But geography is rather far removed from Bush.

2.

I'm not sure why the kid didnt go talk to the teacher about his concerns. Why treat the whole thing like espionage? I think thats starting a dangerous little game between liberals and conservatives, and honestly I am completely against it.

Because, from what I understand, this isn't the one and only time Bennish has done this. This is in fact a regular thing for Bennish who spends his class time f**king around with political indoctrination and not teaching the coursework.

So how he assigns grades I'll leave to your imagination.

So the teacher uses his pos... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

So the teacher uses his position as a bullypulpit for his own political agenda rather than to teach the subject he wa hired to teach, gets caught doing so, and he was setup?

That's like blaming the mirror because you're ugly.

what the teacher failed to ... (Below threshold)
Amy Sasser:

what the teacher failed to point out that it was our government who attacked us on 911. I think he did a great job. If you don't know what our gov has been up to for the last 100 years all over the world I suggest you research it. www.wtc.net now who did osama do that. www.911blogger.com

don't you all know that the media was deregulated in the 80's and that the MSM belongs to only 5 corporations of the war machine? turn off the TV it is worse than the USSR had..it is propaganda. Kudos to the teacher. Also read the book Deliberate Dumbing down of America. By former education sect. Charlotte Iserbyt. http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ also study German history.. compare the Reichstag fire and the enabling act to 911 and the patriot act.

We are still stuck in Daily Plaza November 22, 1963.

sorry the URL should have r... (Below threshold)
Amy Sasser:

sorry the URL should have read www.wtc7.net

Amy-Ease up on the... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Amy-

Ease up on the hallucinogens.

Amy,Here's a link I ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Amy,
Here's a link I think you've neglected.
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Time for you to build a new hat.

Amy, don't listen to the vo... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Amy, don't listen to the voices, take the meds. LOL!!! Man, you just gotta love the trolls!

Re:Amy's comments.... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

Re:Amy's comments.


Ooooo-kay.

LJD just because you haven'... (Below threshold)
Amy Sasser:

LJD just because you haven't studied the nature of the beast doesn't mean that I am on drugs. I suggest you take a weekend to investigate the issues. The weirdest theory out there is that some guys from a cave had NORAD stand down that day..during over 5 military drills. WE have over 100 educators from leading Universities who have joined in the fight for the truth. Until you open up the can of worms for yourself you will stay ignorant. reseach it all. then come back and tell us who is on drugs. good day.

Holy Crap! Amy's right! J... (Below threshold)
D.Doré:

Holy Crap! Amy's right! Just think about it! If you were going to try and get the population of the USA to agree with taking over the world you would definitely want to control the MSM! Oh, and look how subtle the media has been used to create our national uprising of national pride! Oh, they are clever, I'll give you that! They almost had me fooled.

Sure, sure... they can completely label everything that's gone on in Iraq evil. Sure, they can make sure to never show anything that would make it look like our military has done anything good for other nations or peoples. But the give away... the real clincher is how they cleverly debase, slander and continually attack anything that the President's Administration tries to get accomplished fully knowing that everyone in the nation will rush to Pres. Bush's defense!

The missing piece of the puzzle however that finally linked it all together for me was Barbara Streisand's fake hatred of President Bush. Yea, I could see right through it once Amy opened my eyes!

Revolution! Allah Akbar! Power To The People! Look For The Union Label!

Lesson:There is no t... (Below threshold)
nick:

Lesson:
There is no topic that a liberal cannot turn into Bush bashing.
Posted by: Sheik Yur Bouty at March 7, 2006 11:24 AM

Sorry Sheik, but your idol George has made it sooooo easy for us. Think Dubai ports deal.

the liberal teacher is a mo... (Below threshold)
billy:

the liberal teacher is a model for what teachers need to do everywhere.
he will get his job back, with abook deal and an apology.

the scumbag kid who violated his copyright is suspended and should never be allowed back in that school.

Because, from what I unders... (Below threshold)
bennito:

Because, from what I understand, this isn't the one and only time Bennish has done this. This is in fact a regular thing for Bennish who spends his class time f**king around with political indoctrination and not teaching the coursework.
So how he assigns grades I'll leave to your imagination.
Posted by: ed at March 7, 2006 12:06 PM

Ed,

You're so boringly predictable. From "what I understand"? Why don't you back that accusation up with some facts instead of your tired insinuation? Interestingly, no one here has brought up that the student who taped Bennish, and the student's parents have all stated that they don't want Bennish fired.

Gotta go. My son's English teacher has a Bush/Cheney sticker on his car so I need to get over to Fox News to report it. After all, why go to the school board first?

Stupid is as stupid does. <... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Stupid is as stupid does.

The liberal supporters of this jerk don't even care that their childrens' education has taken second place to this 'indoctrination'. Hopefully, you'll have all of your social programs in place to support them as an adult. After being failed by public schools, they'll lack the skills to be able to function in society.

This same type of thing goe... (Below threshold)
Steve L.:

This same type of thing goes on day in and day out in classrooms across America. The vast majority of the kids say nothing about it because they really don't care. All they want is to get a passing grade out of the class and go on. Very few of them have real political views. The guy could be preaching that the world is flat. The kids wouldn't care as long as that answer was the right one on the next test.

There are teachers out there who penalize students for not holding the "proper" political viewpoints. I personally know of students who are forced to suppress their own political views if they hope to pass a class.

Unfortunately, in this case, it is unlikely Bennish will lose his job. If Colorado is like most states, you can't fire a teacher short of him murdering someone. Competence has nothing to do with anything. Bennish will be back before the year is over and I would bet he makes that kid's life a living hell.

I think that the root cause... (Below threshold)
docjim505:

I think that the root cause of this problem is the strong feeling among many conservatives that liberal teachers use their classrooms to engage in the kind of harangue that Bennish was caught spouting. Sean Hannity has gone so far as to encourage public school and college students to tape their teachers / professors if they think they are proselytizing instead of teaching. Dr. Mike Adams, himself a sociology professor, often writes about the liberal shenanigans of college professors and administrators . The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education has even brought suits against schools and teachers for forcing liberal dogma on students ( ). So, I think that conservatives have a point.

On the other hand, I don't think it's a good thing for people to start thinking that taping other people for the purposes of playing "gotcha!" is laudable or even acceptable. The kid really should have gone to his parents, who should then have spoken to the teacher. If they weren't satisfied, then they should have taken other action.

One final question to liberals: would you feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot? What if Bennish had compared Bill Clinton to Benedict Arnold, or called John Kerry a war criminal? What if (gasp!) he'd used his class time to proselytize on behalf of the Christian religion?

"the liberal teacher is a m... (Below threshold)
jab:

"the liberal teacher is a model for what teachers need to do everywhere.
he will get his job back, with abook deal and an apology.

the scumbag kid who violated his copyright is suspended and should never be allowed back in that school."

Posted by: billy

lesson: liberals would rather eat their children, or yours, than condemn another liberal.

LJD, first of all we are Am... (Below threshold)
Amy Sasser:

LJD, first of all we are American first and we see what has happened to our education state run schools . take a look at the free e book that a former sec. of education wrote. http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ if you think that student learn free thought in our public school systems you are in for a huge surprise. The real history of America has been hidden from our students and the American public for years. It goes way past the Bush years to every administration since the creation of public schools and beyond. rant all you want but the facts are out there if you look. I think the teacher did a fine job, but the jest was for his students to question our government. How much more lies will you swallow before you wake up? What is your tolerance for a fascist state that was planned long ago? In 1933 our government was overthrown by the certain families and it was stricken from the congressional record.
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html it has happened again with more vigor.

do you know that the Federal reserve bank is a private banking cartel, that was hatched in 1913 in Jekyll Island? Read the Book the secrets of the Federal reserve GOOGLE IT. What you have is fiat currency not worth the paper it is printed on. Read the constitution and see what it says about our money! Do the schools teach this? No they don't. Do they teach about separation of powers? NO.

Do you still believe in the magic bullet theory of the assassination of JFK that Daddy Bush and others that are still in our government was involved in? NO I don't think you do. You know it was a conspiracy. We are a land of governmental conspiracies. And our media helps cover up the truth.
Waco, Flight 800, OK Bombing , 911, MLK, JFK, JFK jr. RFK. Just a few.
Learn about false flag operations, and patsies. You have the largest library at your fingertips now called the net, use it!
Instead of trying to stifle debate, cheer it! Honor it praise it, for only free speech and education will people of this great land come to know the truth. The nasty truth no matter where it leads.
BYW I don't hear the MSM yelling at the top of their lungs at why we really want to attack IRAN. Saddam dumped the dollar and he was attacked. Iran plans to dump the dollar March 20th and trade Oil in euro's. You think the dollar will survive the dumping that is going on? Google around for the others who are dumping the dollar.
The United States of America is on fire burning to the ground and you aren't paying attention.
Look at the Chemtrails in the skies look at the layer of crap you breathe, that are laced with crap to tear down your immune system. the food supply is being poisoned, look on the soap labels and see if any of those chemicals are good for you! they plan on dumping nerve gas in the east coast rivers . Thank the new EPA chief for that. Johnson who use to work for a pharma company was involved in giving tainted vaccines to Africans riddled with AIDS a bio weapon! Look what they did to our troops with the vaccines. Look at the DU (depleted uranium) weapons that are killing our kids and deforming our grandchildren. Look at the mercury in our kids vaccines that create so many problems.
Research Agenda 21!

The left right crap was invented by the powers that be to separate the people. As you can see by the voting of those congress critters senators there is no difference among thieves and criminals. There is only 3 that I know of that is worth their salt. Waxman on able danger., McKinney speaks out about 911, Ron Paul about the loss of our Nation. The others are just theater. They love the make believe show.
Do you know that Chertoff head of the Gestapo AKA homeland security is a former KGB officer and an Israeli National? Do you know that A Gonzales is a member of La Raza?
Do you know about the Israeli spy scandal?

No way I could make any of this up I don't have the imagination , I live in reality not an illusion.
Good luck in your search for the truth. It
is out there if you care to educate yourself and your families.

"Aw, c'mon, he was wearing ... (Below threshold)

"Aw, c'mon, he was wearing a Bush '04 button, he was asking to be ranted at! Sitting there all smug with his button...he wanted it and I gave it to him! He led me on!"

ahem, anyway...Ryan, one simple rebuttal to your speech, there is an ongoing effort by the liberal educational system to systematically deny that things like what the teacher did actually happen, which is why there is so much resistance to academic bills of rights. Evidence is indeed necessary to combat these blatant attempts to cover up what is going on in our college and, apparently, lower level classrooms. Also, spouting demonstrable lies is a crappy way to make high school kids or anyone else to 'THINK' about issues. And, frankly, there isn't a hell of a lot a kid needs to "think" more in depth about regarding geography...India is there, Canada is there, what's the capital of Iowa again? A wise man once said "justice...has little, if anything, to do with a disobedient whale." Hitler's speeches have little, if anything, to do with geography, unless they were discussing WWII era political boundaries, which I strongly suspect they were not. Et cetera.

docjim: you gave the perfect example...can you imagine the death threats and protests and sit ins and walk outs if he'd been sharing his thoughts on evolution or just trying to get the kids to "think more in depth" about Jesus Christ's impact on the world? Perfect example of a topic just as irrelevant to the subject matter that their taxes were paying for the teacher to teach.

Billy, if the best thing ab... (Below threshold)

Billy, if the best thing about the Dubai ports deal is that it makes it easy to bash Bush... well, most people sort of understand that it's the Bush bashing that's the absolute priority of some people rather than the truth or what's best for the country or even things like tolerance and opposing racist fear-mongering. If it works against Bush it's ALL good.

As for Bennish... from the radio interviews I've heard, he didn't retaliate with poor grades to those students who argued with him in class. So that's good. Sean Allen probably will be going to a different school, and hasn't gone back to that one. Sean's father doesn't expect Bennish to lose his job and says he wouldn't want him to lose his job.

Charlotte Iserbyt is the co... (Below threshold)
Amy Sasser:

Charlotte Iserbyt is the consummate whistleblower! Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America's classrooms. Iserbyt is a former school board director in Camden, Maine and was co-founder and research analyst of Guardians of Education for Maine (GEM) from 1978 to 2000. She has also served in the American Red Cross on Guam and Japan during the Korean War, and in the United States Foreign Service in Belgium and in the Republic of South Africa. Iserbyt is a speaker and writer, best known for her 1985 booklet Back to Basics Reform or OBE: Skinnerian International Curriculum and her 1989 pamphlet Soviets in the Classroom: America's Latest Education Fad which covered the details of the U.S.-Soviet and Carnegie-Soviet Education Agreements which remain in effect to this day. She is a freelance writer and has had articles published in Human Events, The Washington Times, The Bangor Daily News, and included in the record of Congressional hearings.
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/pages/author.htm

THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE... (Below threshold)
Amy Sasser:

THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE
http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/plot/plottoseizethewhitehouse.htm
hidden History 1933
this book was copied to the net so history isn't lost

[email protected] bennito... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

@ bennito

You're so boringly predictable. From "what I understand"? Why don't you back that accusation up with some facts instead of your tired insinuation? Interestingly, no one here has brought up that the student who taped Bennish, and the student's parents have all stated that they don't want Bennish fired.

Evidently your fingers are broken and you're completely and utterly unable to Google. Add to this the fact that you haven't spent the time to read about the various accounts means that you're probably just pasting your opinion on something about which you're rather ignorant.

But hey, what's new.

1.

Apparently, this is not the first time he has been in hot water over comments made in class, according to Amole.

A few years ago, another student complained about remarks Bennish made in class. In that case, Bennish met with the parent and the school principal, and the issue was resolved without district intervention.

link

2.

Sean, who appeared on Rosen's show Wednesday morning, said in an interview he had been disturbed by the "political rants" he heard in Bennish's class. He added that he wanted to tape the session for his father, who later shared it with the media.

"rants" as in plural.

link

3.

"He is not teacher geography," Allen said during a radio talk show on Wednesday evening. "About 80 percent of the time, he's teaching his biased political opinions and giving them to our class as a fact."

link

"He is not teacher geography"!!

Jesus H. Christ! THis f**ker is ranting about politics when one of his students can't even talk? WTF? This kid is 16 years old and his grammar is utter shit.

F**K. My grammar was better than that when I was 9 years old. And I had to learn english the hard way when I was 7 since I grew up in South Korea.

All of the teachers in that school should be fired immediately.

4.

Another student offers a glimpse into the unhinged teacher's rants via AM 630 KHOW.

link

...

Is that enough for you? Or shall I wipe your ass too?

Two points about this issue... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

Two points about this issue in general.
1) Some are saying he was supposed to be teaching geography, so he shouldn't have gone off on the tangent he did. When I was in high school, we didn't have "Geography" class, we had social studies which covered geography, history of civilizations, evolution of societies, and the like. Just teaching geography would be pretty boring and useless, so I don't see his going on this rant as being outside of the subject area.

2) Some are also saying he shouldn't have gone on the rant for reasons along the lines of: "Hopefully, you'll have all of your social programs in place to support them as an adult. After being failed by public schools, they'll lack the skills to be able to function in society." (LJD) As far as I'm concerned, being aware of current events and politics are far more important to being able to function in society than memorization of geography, especially in times that are so contraversial.

My younger sister is 15 and she's 10x more aware of political issues than I was at that time because of the enormity of the issues our country is facing. Our country is currently addressing a global war being fought primarily on two fronts, the reconstruction of a major city, the largest deficits in our history such that the US is damn near default on its credit, the "Culture Wars", and on to lesser issues like SS privatization.

Now you may not agree with the opinions the teacher was expressing, but if teaching his students about these matters is means missing a day of geography lessons, I'm not too upset about it.

[email protected] billy... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

@ billy

the scumbag kid who violated his copyright is suspended and should never be allowed back in that school.

Congratulations!

That is singularly *the* most stupid thing I have ever read on a blog.

And I've visited DailyKos and DemocraticUnderground on a number of occasions so that makes this something of a distinction.

Bennish doesn't have a copyright on this insane rant of his.

No way I could make any ... (Below threshold)

No way I could make any of this up I don't have the imagination , I live in reality not an illusion.

Enough said.

(Taken from "the deliberate... (Below threshold)
Amy Sasser:

(Taken from "the deliberate dumbing down of
america"...A Chronological Paper Trail:)
1930s:Chamber of Commerce plans for UN, regional
government, school vouchers, etc.
1932: William Foster, Chairman of the United States
Communist Party, has his book, Toward a Soviet
America published. It calls for everything
that has since been implemented in our
nation's schools, including the establishment
of the U.S. Dept. of Education.
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system from academics to behavior modification
and values destruction (beginning of OBE/
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dropped out due to Benjamin Bloom's ten year
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funding of OBE began in 1981. (D.I. is the
new label for the failed mastery learning.)
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(corporate fascist) partnerships by creating the
President's Task Force on Private Sector Initiatives.
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program in the Bronx, N.Y.
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I read the transcripts of t... (Below threshold)
just me:

I read the transcripts of the class, about the only thing in his screed that was even remotely academic was when he was giving out the definition of capitalism.

Everything else was mostly opinion, and bad opinion based on little fact at that.

Had the teacher done a critique of Bush, presenting pros/cons I would buy his "I teach both points of view" excuse. But what exactly is the other point of view for the Bush=Hitler stuff? I mean is there really a way to balance that?

Had the teacher done a c... (Below threshold)
OregonMuse:

Had the teacher done a critique of Bush, presenting pros/cons I would buy his "I teach both points of view" excuse. But what exactly is the other point of view for the Bush=Hitler stuff? I mean is there really a way to balance that?

What happened here is that the leftist teacher got caught with his pants waaaaay down and is now engaging in some serious CYA. This is the reason for the lame "I was just trying to get the students to look at both sides" excuse. It sounds much better than "I am known for wasting hours and hours of valuable class time preaching Chomskyite drivel."

And naturally Lauer is trying to help out by giving the guy a tongue bath on the Today Show, making the teacher look like the victim.

Yeh I remember when Bush di... (Below threshold)
one eye buck tooth [X^B:

Yeh I remember when Bush did Hitler and Kerry on His Campaign Website..

Then Moveon.org did one as well.

Cmon you you 'neo-cons' corruption lovers, feign shock Awe and Disbelief at such Childish Antics.

Anyway heres what the MSM wont talk about
The "Repiglican" Professor Pig;
Heres one for Wonkette
Professor Allegedly Shows Explicit Video
Denise Flaim: Animal house
Associated Press
March 3, 2006, 8:01 PM EST

[[What party is the Pig Party?]]
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. -- A criminal justice professor at Grand Rapids Community College has resigned after showing a video in class of a man having sex with a pig, students and a faculty representative said.

A school administrator confirmed that Samuel Naves, 47, resigned Feb. 17, but would not comment on why he left.

However, students and a faculty leader said the resignation had to do with the video. They said Naves was teaching an introductory criminal justice class earlier this year when he was going through video files on his computer.

The video appeared on a projection screen and students begged Naves to show the 10-second footage, according to the accounts.

Faculty association president Fred vanHartesveldt said the incident occurred this year. He said Naves was known for a blunt teaching style.

"His pedagogy was to teach real life," vanHartesveldt told The Grand Rapids Press. "His classes were very earthy. Some students took to that very well, and some students didn't."

Naves, who had worked at the college since 1997, declined to comment to the newspaper. Information from: The Grand Rapids Press, http://www.mlive.com/grpress


JHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Repiglicans!!
Sickos!!

Can you Feign Disgust as Well for
"Professor REPIGLICAN"?

To the poster (way up there... (Below threshold)
Wanderlust:

To the poster (way up there) who asked (paraphrased) "what would [you] do if the teacher had ranted about how he hated Bill Clinton?"

My answer:

1. If the topic being discussed has little to no direct link to politics, I believe the teacher's wandering into the realm of political op-ed speech, without presenting both sides, was uncalled for. Period.

2. If the teacher used ad hominem attacks to make or support his argument (e.g., equating Bush to Hitler, personal like/dislike/feelings, etc.), regardless of who it was, I believe it would be uncalled for. Period.

Classroom teachers in primary and secondary school have a special care and duty towards the children they teach. A teacher can disclaim, "don't take it from Me; think for yourself", as much as he/she wants. However, the simple fact is, most of the students will take the teacher's opinion as gospel truth, because it came from a Teacher.

Therefore a teacher's personal opinions should rarely be revealed to students, where those opinions can be mistaken as fact. Period.

If Bennish were really a good teacher, instead of ranting on his [unfounded] personal political opinions, he would be asking questions. And when his students replied to those questions with facts, he would make them support the facts they attribute. Or else he would teach them that opinion is just that: opinion. Nothing more.

Instead, Bennish the "it's not my fault!!!" crybaby gets upset because someone tapes his words - spoken in a public setting, no less - and publishes them.

After all, the 16yro student must have been a secret Rovian spy, on a mission to trap the hapless BDS teacher...

/sigh

Jay Bennish instructs us on... (Below threshold)
pete:

Jay Bennish instructs us on the urgency of school vouchers.

Bennish is yet another example of the political indoctrination running rampant in public schools, schools that too often see their mission as overruling the basic values of parents. The First Amendment is not a license for teachers to indoctrinate, or otherwise opine beyond the scope of the curriculum and school policy.

If teachers can't teach about 'controversial' issues without neglecting to present all major views fairly, then such issues need to be excised from the curriculum. Period.

The pervasive politicization of public education by teachers like Bennish is just another reason why freedom of choice through measures such as school vouchers is essential to a free society.

Contacts re Bennish:

Dr. Monte Moses, Superintendent
Cherry Creek School District
4700 South Yosemite Street
Greenwood Village, Colorado 80111
Phone: 303-773-1184
Fax: 303-773-9884'
Email: [email protected]


Jana Frieler, Principal
Overland High School
Cherry Creek School District
Aurora, CO
Email: [email protected]
(720)747-3880

Governor Owens
State of Colorado
Email: [email protected]

You guys wouldnt know Spin ... (Below threshold)
one eye buck tooth [X^B:

You guys wouldnt know Spin if it bit yer ass
FOX News STILL Misrepresenting Colorado Teacher Story
Tue 02:02 PM

"Real Journalism" FOX [FAUX] News continued to mischaracterize the walkout of students from Overland High School in Colorado. As I previously posted, the chyron at the bottom of the screen on last Thursday's Hannity & Colmes, STUDENTS WALK OUT OF SCHOOL AFTER TEACHER'S RANT, gave the misleading impression that the protest was due to the teacher's "rant," when in fact it was because of his suspension. After three days, FOX News still can't get the facts straight.

They WALKED out BECAUSE THE TEACHER WAS SUSPENDED not that they Disagreed with him..
LOL thats whats got you Pro-Corruption Bush Lovers so UPSET! LMAO!
The Kids WANTED their Teacher Back!
Muuhahahaaaaa!

Why is it that the Kids can tell a corrupt Administration and the Parents Can't?
Naw their too busy covering for Bubble Boy and rooting for the losing team they miss the Story.

Bush Sucks why won't you guys admit it?

Just a quick clarification-... (Below threshold)
College Educated:

Just a quick clarification-- the geography class that you had in 3rd grade was about learning state capitals and where countries are. Geography at the high school and college level is about learning the factors that shape the world. Without taking sides, it is safe to say that capitalism and wars have shaped the world, including patterns of human settlement, the use and distribution of resources, and physical changes to geography (e.g., the Panama canal).

Ed:What is at i... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Ed:

What is at issue here ryan isn't just that Bennish went off the cliff with this stuff. It's that he was supposed to teach *geography*.

Well, ok. But I think that High School geography is about a little more than learning state capitals and where Russia is located.

Frankly I'd like to give a pop-quiz to his students and get them to properly name countries,capitals and whatnot to see if they've actually been taught ... you know ... geography.

We should give that quiz to all Americans and see how they fare.

Because, from what I understand, this isn't the one and only time Bennish has done this. This is in fact a regular thing for Bennish who spends his class time f**king around with political indoctrination and not teaching the coursework.

so he's done this more than once. the parents should have done the rational thing and talked with Bennish first, and then gone to the school admin second. Running to media outlets, maybe, should have been a little further down the list. thats what i think.

So how he assigns grades I'll leave to your imagination.

Well, i wont guess about what I dont know. If he does grade people based upon how well they adhere to a certain ideology, well, thats quite a problem. but lets not assume that we know things that we have no basis for, ed. forget the conjectures, lets assess the situation as factually as possible, and go from there.

Falze:Ryan, one... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Falze:

Ryan, one simple rebuttal to your speech, there is an ongoing effort by the liberal educational system to systematically deny that things like what the teacher did actually happen, which is why there is so much resistance to academic bills of rights. Evidence is indeed necessary to combat these blatant attempts to cover up what is going on in our college and, apparently, lower level classrooms.

I'm in the education system right now, and I have first hand experience of whats going on. There are certain profs I have had who wear their politics on their sleeves, and I'm not too keen on that. But I have to learn how to read through that, and how to formulate my own opinions regardless.

Opinions get expressed that we dont always agree with; thats life. As a kid I remember going to church and being told things that I didnt agree with. I had to think about what I was told and learn to make up my own mind. Demonizing some pastor for expressing his worldview, however, would not have been very productive, at all.

My point is that these things happen, especially since we live in a free society. Not all views or opinions or perspectives are going to jive with our own, so we have to learn how to live amongst people with these differing views.

Remember, one thing that dictators like Hitler, Mussolini, and more recently Pinochet, did was go around killing and abducting intellectuals who expressed opinions that were contrary to the dominant ideologies. We dont want to get anywhere near that.

Also, spouting demonstrable lies is a crappy way to make high school kids or anyone else to 'THINK' about issues. And, frankly, there isn't a hell of a lot a kid needs to "think" more in depth about regarding geography...India is there, Canada is there, what's the capital of Iowa again?

Encouraging kids to think, in any and all subejects, is a good thing. As I stated above, I'm pretty sure that a high school geography class is a bit more complicated than being about locating India and Iowa on a map. Political boundaries were created, and have histories, and I'm pretty sure that some of that comes into play during such courses. Geography, as we use it and understand it, is inherently political and historically relevant...unless of course kids are purely studying landforms. But once you start talking about cities, states, and countries, things get more complicated.

High School kids arent stupid, and they are able to think for themselves. Teachers hold important positions in our society, and they should be careful and respectful of the authority they hold. In this case, I do not agree with things that he said, or the way that he presented them. I do understand some of the points that he was trying to make. The guy isnt someone that we should be castigating to this degree, and this situation didnt need to turn into the big liberal vs. conservative bash fast that is has become.

The parents should have talked to the teacher, and if that didnt work they should have gone to the school admin. Instead, they freaked out and turned this thing into this ridiculous, and unnecessary, calamity.

Divergent, and even unpopular opinions are good. It's good that we can criticize our goverment, and critically challenge those who are in charge. That shows that we have freedom of expression and speech. We have to teach our kids how to live in a world where such views exist, and we have to teach them how to formulate their own.

I do NOT think that we need to teach them that we should turn someone in when we disagree with them. That sounds like the antithesis of what the US stands for...

Actually one of the school ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Actually one of the school administrators admitted that about 2/3 or more of the students walked out simply because it was an opportunity to get out of going to class.

Liberals always give so much credit to students for being noble or having "causes" when in actuality they're just being "kids."

ryan, your pastor was *supp... (Below threshold)

ryan, your pastor was *supposed* to be teaching one point of view, and your parents had a pretty good idea of what that was. Had you recorded his sermons and "exposed" him, you'd have looked silly.

Parents sending their children to schools assume that the teachers are, at the very least, balanced in their teaching... and if opinions are involved rather than facts, that their own opinions aren't completely dominant. I tended to have teachers who'd argue what they didn't believe in order to further the discussion and help students learn to support their opinions.

There ought to be some product packaging law that applies. People should be entitled to know what they are paying for.

Had I had a teacher like Bennish and had I told my parents, they'd have just told me to lie on the tests.

I'm not sure that's a good thing.

Synova:ryan, yo... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Synova:

ryan, your pastor was *supposed* to be teaching one point of view, and your parents had a pretty good idea of what that was. Had you recorded his sermons and "exposed" him, you'd have looked silly.

thats true synova. but i would argue that high school teachers in public schools are "supposed" to be teaching a certain point of view as well. the history that is taught isnt exactly well rounded, and certainly has a particular point of view. for example, high school kids generally havent been taught about the 13,000 or so thousand years of native american history on this continent, and they generally arent taught much about the history of pre-contact african peoples.

generally, HS history follows the Greece-Rome-England-United States trajectory, and tends to ignore large segments of history.

Parents sending their children to schools assume that the teachers are, at the very least, balanced in their teaching... and if opinions are involved rather than facts, that their own opinions aren't completely dominant. I tended to have teachers who'd argue what they didn't believe in order to further the discussion and help students learn to support their opinions.

i agree completely that parents should expect teachers to be balanced. and the good teachers do just that. this guy was saying some things that certainly upset a conservative viewpoint...and I do think that he took things too far at points. I do. I cant say that I completely agree with his approach. I've had profs who present information with a very apparent political slant, and in ways that seem to indicate that what they are saying is TRUTH, as opposed to opinion. Not good.

keep in mind the fact that I know WHY conservatives dont like what this guy is saying, and i can understand where they are coming from...we dont want teachers who preach history or politics as fact; we want teachers who instill the ability to look at such things critically.

but i also think that should include a discussion of an american history that isnt as rosy as we often like to paint it. yes, jefferson was a genius, and a great president. yes, the things that those men (jefferson, madison, adams, etc) accomplished and created were brilliant in many regards. but there were also contradictions in the whole story...it wasnt the same for all people, and I think that it's important to teach kids a history that is a little less mythological, and a little more realistic.

the constitution ensured many freedoms for many people, but at the same time women couldnt vote. black people were still held as slaves. native americans were being dispossessed of their lands in pretty terrible ways (the story of California is brutal). so i think we can teach about all of this, without engaging in "america bashing," which I think gets us nowhere.

no nation on earth has ever been completely angelic, perfect, or ideal. we are included in that, and we shouldnt hide that from the youngst members of our country.

some people call all this "revisionism" or whatever. and from what I see, its just adding more to the story. nobody talks about many things that happened to groups of people who have been a part of our history, and i think that we need to add those stories in. and this should be done on a national, and international level.

damn. sorry for any redund... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

damn. sorry for any redundancies up there; sometimes i type too fast and then just hit post without checking. bad, lazy writer that i am.

1. You can tell a good teac... (Below threshold)
Nahanni:

1. You can tell a good teacher by the fact that no matter what the subject being taught is the pupil can not discern what the teachers viewpoint on it is. Bennish is not a good teacher, and judging from the rant that passed for his lecture on Geography he is unqualified to teach that subject, too.

2. Bennish is not a teacher, he is a preacher for the Church of the Moonbat. Now, I wonder what all our LLL posters would say if Bennish was using his position to proselytise for a religion in a "geographical context". My guess is would be they would demand he be fired and lynched. Not surprising, LLL's seem to have the hypocrisy market cornered.

3. Bennish is just another in a series of good reasons why I would not send any children of mine to a government school. I would rather have my children educated, not indoctrinated.

4. The LLL's always wish we were more like our European "betters". Well, in this instance I would agree. In some European countries the tax money assigned to a child stays with the child and not given to a specific school district. That way parents can choose which school the child would attend, and given the choice most parents would not want someone like Bennish anywhere near their kids. No wonder the LLL's do not wish this to happen in the U.S. for it would mean the end of the NEA which is one of the Democrats largest constituents.

4. Memo to the MSM: No matter how much you try to make Bennish seem to be a normal person by cleaning him up and not allowing him to appear in his natural hippy state does no good. In case you haven't heard there is this little thing called the blogosphere, and it busts you every time you do this kind of shinola. I guess they are the poster children for the old adage "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

thats true synova. but i... (Below threshold)
just me:

thats true synova. but i would argue that high school teachers in public schools are "supposed" to be teaching a certain point of view as well

Um no he isn't.

He is supposed to teach facts.

He is supposed to support opinion with facts, and he is supposed to teach his students to do the same.

What this man was teaching (if we can call it that) was opinion without fact, and I didn't see any balancing point or view from the teacher. The students shouldn't not be the ones who are providing the balance in the lectures.

That said-all of you who are defending this teacher-can anyone even tell what his lesson plan was for that day? What was the topic they were covering? What unit were they covering?

See that to me reveals just how a poor a teacher he is-his lesson plan was nothing more than anti Bush screed-the only thing educational he really covered was the definition of capitalism.

I have worked long enough in education to know that teachers have lesson plans, they have a set amount of information they want to cover.

Now I am pretty sure that the definition of capitalism should have taken no more than 5-10 minutes, so where was the rest of the lesson plan?

Seems more to me like this teacher just wants to use his position to pass on his opinion to, rather than teach them.

(Attention Bennish supporte... (Below threshold)
LJD:

(Attention Bennish supporters- I am writing in a style you can understand- typing veerrryyy slooowwwlllyyyy.)
I am laughing deeply...
...repeated examples of liberals defending 'free speech' and critical thinking in the classroom...
...because 'questioning authority' is more important...
...unable to write complete sentences or spell properly, or form coherent thoughts...
...it's obvious when your 'sources' are pasted in...
...dumbing down indeed... ...cut and paste...
...the only part of the post that represents coherent thought...

Maybe Benedict or Bennish ... (Below threshold)
virgo:

Maybe Benedict or Bennish or whatever his name is could get a job on the dysfunctional air america radio show , or become a spokesman for hairclub for Women . or better yet move to Iran and join up with Handmyjibbyjab........

just me:maybe you ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

just me:

maybe you think that the histories that are taught in high school, etc. are pure fact. i dont. they are usually watered down versions of the past which are accepted as part of a curriculum. but they are generally pretty limited in scope.

so yes, high school teachers are supposed to teach a certain "acceptible" point of view. thats the problem--with public school...you run the risk of upsetting SOMEONE when you dont teach a watered down view of history thats designed not to offend anyone.

What this man was teaching (if we can call it that) was opinion without fact, and I didn't see any balancing point or view from the teacher. The students shouldn't not be the ones who are providing the balance in the lectures.

well, i thought that the student was doing a good thing by challenging the teacher, as opposed to sitting there and accepting everything as truth or fact. i thought it was a good sign that the kid could speak up and engage in debate like that. better, to me, than the passive student who just sits there and allows his/her views to be shaped by the authority figure in the front of the classroom.

and remember how bennish ended his discussion/rant/diatribe (whatever you prefer to call it): he told the kids that it was good for them to disagree, and good for them to question what he's saying. i might not agree with the way that bennish presented all of his information (i dont) but i do think that he ended the whole thing in the right way. and its on tape. i think its good to tell kids that they should challenge, think, and ask questions.

look. the main point is that conservatives disagree with the guy's politics. and thats fine. disagree with what he says, and disagree with how he presented the information to his students. but whats with the lynch mob mentality? how does it solve anything to run to some sensationalist media outlet and turn the guy in? talk to the teacher, discuss the problems, try to work things out. then go to the school admin, whatever. be reasonable.

in chile, under the dictator pinochet, people who spoke against the government were summarily made to disappear. intellectuals, teachers, students were all primary targets. why? because they taught a history that wasnt "government approved." now, this guy bennish goes on a rant, and crosses the line. people on the right dont like it, because things he says offends their beliefs and viewpoints.

fair enough. conservatives can either freak out and start calling him an america-hating moonbat liberal, or they can go about things in a more productive manner. address the problem directly, try to solve it. the parents probably should have expressed their views to the teacher, IMO, instead of turning this into another stupid media event. both sides do this kind of shit, and its a waste of time. all it does is futher the divide, which i dont think we need.

a quote i read:"Le... (Below threshold)
jab:

a quote i read:

"Leftist Communists who pose as teachers should take note and leave for Cuba now! "

by austin conservative

dittos.

Is that enough for you? Or ... (Below threshold)
bennito:

Is that enough for you? Or shall I wipe your ass too?
Posted by: ed at March 7, 2006 04:54 PM

No Ed. You should wipe your own ass. All of your "sources" are conservative douche bags - like yourself. Thanks for proving my point.

Keep on believing you're right - I can't wait to log onto this site on November 8 to laugh my ass off at you Bush ass lickers.

ryan, I live in Colorado an... (Below threshold)
sjh:

ryan, I live in Colorado and have followed this since the tape was played last Wednesday. I was shocked to hear the rant. Reading the transcript is one thing, but to hear the tone of Bennish's voice is another. His was a rant. There was passion in his words. This was not a dispassionate topic for class discussion. Something that has been lost in all the ideology debate is the teacher's - not professor - teacher's inaccuracies. Despite the transcript, he says cocoa, not coca. Big difference on a tiny detail, but this is one a geography teacher should darned well get right. When he talks about Peru and Bolivia spraying the tobacco fields of N.C., does he realize China, India and Brazil grow more tobacco than the US does now? He talks about Al Qaeda attacking on 9/11 after "thousands were killed" when Clinton ordered the cruise missile attacks. Well, funny I seem to recall those attacks followed murderous attacks on US Embassies in Africa. 7000 terrorist attacks by the CIA on Cuba between 1960 and 1962? What the ....

He was on a self-indulging rant. If he had done it at a rally on the steps of the state capitol, more power to him. But not in a high school classroom. He not only foisted his opinion on his students, he foisted bad information on them as well.

Hmmm.1. <blockquot... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

1.

Well, i wont guess about what I dont know. If he does grade people based upon how well they adhere to a certain ideology, well, thats quite a problem. but lets not assume that we know things that we have no basis for, ed. forget the conjectures, lets assess the situation as factually as possible, and go from there.

My point is that the amount of classrom time is a finite resource. Classroom time spent goofing around with subjects that aren't directly integral to the class at hand reduces the time available for those subjects that are integral.

So how do you properly grade a class when the teacher spends an inordinate amount of time indoctrinating rather than teaching the actual coursework?

That was my point.

2.

No Ed. You should wipe your own ass. All of your "sources" are conservative douche bags - like yourself. Thanks for proving my point.

The Denver Post is a "conservative douche bags"? ROFLMAO! It's pretty obvious you didn't bother to actually visit any of the links provided.

What an asshat you are bennito.

[email protected] ryan... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

@ ryan

Well, ok. But I think that High School geography is about a little more than learning state capitals and where Russia is located.

No geography class I've ever had involved comparing an American President with Hitler.

We should give that quiz to all Americans and see how they fare.

lol. I'm all for that though it probably would get very ugly very quickly.

Running to media outlets, maybe, should have been a little further down the list. thats what i think.

Frankly I disagree. Let's look at exactly what would have happened had they gone that route. The school would have kicked it around some and hoped it would die. If it didn't then they'd go and refer it to the school board, which would then kick it around and hope it would die.

There's absolutely no incentive for any level of this school's administration to deal with this issue without publicity. In fact I'm rather amused that so many people advocate openness and publicity as a means of forcing transparency on the government are so set against doing the same in schools.

So ryan, could you guarantee me that the school system would have properly handled this situation without publicity? Could you reassure me that if they hadn't gotten the publicity that this wouldn't be met with cries of "old news, nothing to see here" when and if it did finally come out in a year or more? Isn't that the most common refrain to such situations?

In many cases timeliness is necessary to actually get things done.

well, i thought that the... (Below threshold)
just me:

well, i thought that the student was doing a good thing by challenging the teacher, as opposed to sitting there and accepting everything as truth or fact.

Did you even read what I posted.

I think the student did a good job as well. And I am glad the student had the balls to stand up and ask questions.

But the teacher shouldn't depend on his students to provide the counter view, the teacher should be building those different views into his lesson plan.

Which brings me back to my other question-the one you didn't answer-exactly what lesson plan was this teacher following? What was the unit the class was covering?

I couldn't tell at all what the lesson plan was, what they were studying (unless it was capitalism, and if that was the case, just giving the dictionary definition of capitalism hardly rates up there as a good use of an hours time).

So tell me Ryan, what was the lesson plan for that day (you do know that teachers have lesson plans, and I can pull any teachers lesson/plan book in our school, and get the gist of what they are teaching that day-I don't think I could get that from this teachers, or if he did have plans, he sure enough forgot to follow them).

Ed:No geography... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Ed:

No geography class I've ever had involved comparing an American President with Hitler.

Look, I'm not going to tell you that I agree with everything that he said, because I dont. But what I read there is a discussion, and Bennish is trying to bring about another point of view of the matter. It's not the best argument I've seen, and his reasoning has holes to be sure. But all in all I dont think that the guy is the evil character that some of you want to make him out to be.

So he disagrees with you politically...big deal. And he may have crossed the line. Fine. Deal with it. But lets not freak out and immediately start up the whole liberal conspiracy bullshit.

Ok, so you think it's a good idea to run to the sensationalist media machine with this story because thats the only way to get attention brought to the matter. Well, we disagree there. I'd rather see the kid learn to defend his position on his own, instead of running to some wacky radio host to do it for him.

Honestly, do we really want to go about things like this? I dont like it.

So ryan, could you guarantee me that the school system would have properly handled this situation without publicity? Could you reassure me that if they hadn't gotten the publicity that this wouldn't be met with cries of "old news, nothing to see here" when and if it did finally come out in a year or more? Isn't that the most common refrain to such situations?

of course i cant guarantee that ed, and you know it. so you're saying that this is the proper way to handle this issue, by turning the teacher in and creating some overblown hysteria over it?

have it your way, then. everytime a kid or a parent doesnt agree with what a teacher says, we should run to Fox News, CNN, or Hannity and Colmes, and try to ruin that person socially. Liberals should go after all economics professors who teach anything remotely positive about capitalism. they should attack any teacher who advocates ANY christian ideas. conservatives should attack any history teacher who talks about the contradictions in american history. conservatives should attack any teacher who expresses support for religions other than christianity. we should engage in all out ideological war, because thats what a free and open society is all about, right? we should take issues and make them into something bigger and worse at all costs, because thats the way to solve problems. ya ed, thats a great way to go about all of this.

or, we could try to remain a little more rational and try to iron out differences, instead of creating more problems.

just me:I think... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

just me:

I think the student did a good job as well. And I am glad the student had the balls to stand up and ask questions.

agreed. thats a good sign, the fact that he felt that he could speak up.

But the teacher shouldn't depend on his students to provide the counter view, the teacher should be building those different views into his lesson plan.

Hmmm. Well, I like the fact that the kid was engaged, and not just sitting there like a robot taking things in. Interaction is a good thing, IMO. The teacher was presenting an alternative view, and commended the kid for asking good questions. This is 20 minutes of one class...thats all the evidence we have here. To get a more accurate picture of what we're looking at, we might need a bigger sample. We might have to ask more kids what they think, and look into how this guy has taught for the past six years. What do you think about that?

Which brings me back to my other question-the one you didn't answer-exactly what lesson plan was this teacher following? What was the unit the class was covering?

I believe the lesson plan might have been "The president just gave the state of the union yesterday, lets talk about some of these issues."

I couldn't tell at all what the lesson plan was, what they were studying (unless it was capitalism, and if that was the case, just giving the dictionary definition of capitalism hardly rates up there as a good use of an hours time).

See above. I believe that the tape was about 20 minutes of a 50 minute class, but dont quote me on that...

So tell me Ryan, what was the lesson plan for that day (you do know that teachers have lesson plans, and I can pull any teachers lesson/plan book in our school, and get the gist of what they are teaching that day-I don't think I could get that from this teachers, or if he did have plans, he sure enough forgot to follow them).

I already told you what it *may* have been, but I dont know. It could have been a discussion that started up; I wasnt there. I read the transcipt, thats all i can tell you about the context. And yes, I know that teachers plan what they teach to varying degrees. Some are more structured, some are more fluid. Again, I have read that this was a discussion about the state of the union that bush had just given. these kinds of issues tend to come up in classrooms all across the country after such events...sometimes "lesson plans" go by the wayside when important things like this come up, and thats not always a bad thing.

i know that the guys ideas upset you, and i know WHY they do. im telling you that i understand your perspective, just me, and i respect your position on the issue at hand. it offends you to have a teacher like Bennish present that viewpoint in that situation, and i can see why. i dont agree with the ways that he went about things there; thats not the way i would have gone about it. i can see what he was trying to do, but a disagree with some of his analysis, and with his presentation. the bush-hitler comparison is stupid, period. it doesnt hold. its weak.

but i would rather see conservatives keep their cool and respond by attacking the guys arguments instead of attacking him personally. i dont think that tape recording, spying, or tattle-tailing is a good precedence here, at all. you guys dont agree with Bennish? well, write letters to him. write letters to the editor of the newspaper, and counter what you think is bullshit. teach your kids how to think for themselves, and how to defend their position rationally. i dont want to live in a society where we go around sacking people that we disagree with. if you want to take them out, do it through debate. thats what i think.

"He is not teacher geograph... (Below threshold)
superxian:

"He is not teacher geography," Allen said during a radio talk show on Wednesday evening. "About 80 percent of the time, he's teaching his biased political opinions and giving them to our class as a fact."


"He is not teacher geography"!!

Jesus H. Christ! THis f**ker is ranting about politics when one of his students can't even talk? WTF? This kid is 16 years old and his grammar is utter shit.
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i'm pretty sure that was a typo in the verbatim

also:
-the kid and his parents were just idiots to go set off the video recording in the media without even talking to the school officials or anything.

-BUT sean allen was smart to record it. If bennish has been doing the whole politics ranting for a long time, it's about time something's happened to change that. If the only thing the students are learning is that Bush sucks and just pretend you're liberal so the teacher gives you an A.. then there's a problem.
-Teachers like Bennish need to go to 'rehab for idiot teachers who don't teach their subject right'. maybe then we would be so "behind" in education compared to other countries. Because of people like bennish, students suffer.

-Bennish's whole A B C D choice thing is retarded. No kid likes conferences with the teacher they hate.. and nobody likes getting involved in parent-teacher things.. even the good ones.
-i bet Sean Allen and his parents reported it to the media first, just for the big attention
-i bet Bennish is going on all these tv talk shows for the attention, even if he's notorious at this point. (who cares, i'm famous.)
-when bennish get's his job back, sean allen better be moved out of the classroom otherwise (a) the year will be a living hell and (b) his grade will suffer.

*Wouldn't be so behind... (Below threshold)
superxian:

*Wouldn't be so behind

Here I am studying for a te... (Below threshold)
Jon:

Here I am studying for a test in my AP Government class looking for current event news, and I stumble upon this. I'm a senior in highschool, and I don't know what school was like for you "older" folks (i'm just assuming that none of you are in highschool...) but EVERY teacher gets off topic. You can't jump on the guys back for that. You can't study subjects in a vacuum! Everything is connected, but one of the biggest faults with school curriculums is that subjects are so separated. We were learning math consepts in my physics class that I had learned 3 years ago in math. It sounds like a lot of you wan't this teacher to "just teach geography" and nothing else. You can't tell that to any teacher about their subject. We have had long discussions in my spanish class about the morals of school uniforms. Off topic discussions happen, it's a fact, and NO teacher can be scolded for it. It's a good thing.

Also, after reading a certain quote i am dumbfounded as to why people are angry. This guy should be praised!
"And I'm not in any way implying that you should agree with me. I don't even know if I'm necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think, right, about these issues more in-depth, you know, and not just take things from the surface. And I'm glad you asked all your questions, because they're very good, legitimate questions. And hopefully that allows other people to begin to think about some of those things, too."
Let me point something out again: "And i'm not implying that any of you agree with me in any way...But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think, right, about these issues more in-depth, you know, and not just take things from the surface."

I am really confused as to why this teacher is an issue. He is doing a better job teaching than most of the teachers I have. Good teachers teach you the information, but GREAT teachers get you to THINK about the information FOR YOURSELF!

Also, its 8:09 and i'm supposed to be to school at 8:20, and i want to reply to one thing that Michael Class said near the top about schools not teaching their students enough about the good things in American history: Both sides are being taught. Schools can't help it if students remember that over 100,000 civilians died in the Japanese nuklear blasts as opposed to a few thousand military personel at pearl harbor. People generally tend to remember the bad things more than the good. Its just fact. If anybody sais "bill clinton" then the first logical thing to come to most people minds is something dealing with monica louinski. It happens. My question to you, Michael, is would you rather the U.S. didn't teach anything negative about itself? Would you like us to become like China and deny Tienenman square? Or we could become like Japan, and deny the rape of Nanking. Read 1984: Bad things happen when information is concealed. History should be taught objectively showing both sides, as it is, but, as i've said, students tend to remember the bad over the good.

Conclusively, I dont see what the big deal about this teacher is. The only difference between him and most of my other teachers are that a: he was recorded, and b: he told his students to THINK. This should be praised, not scolded.

Did he tell students to THI... (Below threshold)

Did he tell students to THINK, Jon? Or did he imply that if they *did* think, that they'd agree with him?

He probably does a fabulous job getting his class interested in the world. But most of what was recorded isn't even a matter of contention, but pure fabrication. Sure, people believe it. Obviously. But presenting this stuff as true is irresponsible.

From what I heard, he seemed happy enough to have students disagree with him in class and didn't retaliate with grades. Which is good. But, as someone here has mentioned, it's simply wrong of him to rely on students to present contrary opinions in class. One or two students (and maybe not in every class either) who are informed and interested enough to bring a counter agrument are *still* students, not the teacher, and will not have the same weight with the other students, who seem more interested in the fact that the class is "fun" than that the teacher is a borderline conspiracy theorist wacko.

You say he told students to think... he also told them a whole lot of stuff that simply isn't true. And Bush is like Hitler? Was that asking them to form their own opinions?

synova:From wha... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

synova:

From what I heard, he seemed happy enough to have students disagree with him in class and didn't retaliate with grades. Which is good. But, as someone here has mentioned, it's simply wrong of him to rely on students to present contrary opinions in class.

What you have as your evidence is about 20 minutes of a 50 minute lecture, one of many lectures throughout the year. My point is that we're looking at a really really small piece of the puzzle. You have no idea, really, how this guy runs his class, and neither do I. You dont know that he "relies" upon students to present contrary opinions. From my point of view, it appears to be a good thing that Bennish's students feel they can speak up in class. But I dont really know how his classes are overall, since I havent been in one. I guess I would have to interview a lot of students to get an understanding of that.

My point: you have no idea how the guy runs his class, and neither do I. Twenty minutes of one lecture isnt a good basis for judging the efficacy of a teachers performance or abilities, IMO.

About the whole Hitler comparison. I have to start off by saying that I got really tired of hearing Liberals make the Bush-Hitler comparison. They resorted to that as a means of name-calling and mud-slinging, and it doesnt do anything to further debate or understanding. Bad move, bad comparison, IMO.

Bennish said this:

[About Bush]: He started off his speech talking about how America should be the country that dominates the world. That we have been blessed essentially by God to have the most civilized, most advanced, best system and that it is our duty as Americans to use the military to go out into the world and make the whole world like us.

Personally, I have never heard GWB say that he thinks the US should "dominate" the world. He doesnt use language like that, and if he did people would really freak out. So in that case, Bennish is overstating. Bush does talk about what role he thinks the US should play in the world, and there is certainly an implicit tone in there that suggests a certain superiority or right. But thats different than what Adolf was going around saying.

Sounds a lot like the things that Adolf Hitler use to say.

Again, not really. From what I know, Adolf was a fanatic nationalist, and a fanatic racist. He spoke in terms of Germanic cultural superiority and all that. Adolf was also very violent and racist in his speeches.

We're the only ones who are right. Everyone else is backwards. And it's our job to conquer the world and make sure they live just like we want them to.

Here, Bennish may have a minor point. We as Americans do have a bit of this attitude going on, and we all know it. It's been a part of our foreign policy for decades and decades. The Brits and other Westerners have done this too...but a here's another point: A LOT of cultures think that their way is the RIGHT way...so the United States certainly doesnt have a monopoly on the ethnocentric market.

Hitler was ethnocentric as all hell, and he preached the idea that those pesky inferior races ought to be eliminated. Scary shit. Now, thats where the Bush-Hitler comparison falls really flat. You dont hear him going around preaching anything near that level.

Now, I'm not saying that Bush and Hitler are exactly the same. Obviously, they are not. Ok. But there are some eerie similarities to the tones that they use. Very, very "ethnocentric." We're right. You're all wrong.

So Bennish isnt really trying to equate the two, and he points out that there are "obvious" differences. He probably should emphasize that quite a bit more, since things get a little dicey otherwise. Bennish is comparing the tone of Bush and Hitler, and saying that they are both ethnocentric. Ok, fine. Both are ethnocentric. It's a good thing to point out and to realize that kind of thing.

But Bennish really shot himself in the foot by bringing up the incarnate of all evil that is Hitler. If he wanted to talk about Bush's language, he should have just gone straight to that, because bringing up Hitler, for obvious reasons, confounds the whole issue.

So I understand the point he was trying to make. And I also understand why conservatives are pissed off about the way he went about things. Like when he said that the US is the "most violent" nation on earth. I dont even know what that means. Certainly, we do get into our share of wars and conflicts, and we sure as hell have a massive arsenal and military. We are not this peaceful little nation, IMO, by any means.

But how the hell can you say that we are "the most violent" on earth? How do you measure that? It's not a very accurate or useful thing to say. Bennish definitely overstates his points at times, and that really weakens his overall argument.

I think Bennish suffers fro... (Below threshold)
virgo:

I think Bennish suffers from LSD passed on from his parents who met at Woodstock..




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