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A Very Special Note For Hillary Clinton

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From The Salvation Army:

Jesus was a criminal. He was arrested, tried by the legal system of the day, deemed guilty by a selection of the public, and was tortured and executed by the state authority. That he was innocent, the victim of an unjust legal system, does not change the fact that he was, in his time, a convicted and punished criminal. He suffered a criminal's death between two thieves whom he spoke to and with whom he identified. One of the criminals was promised a place with him in paradise that very day.


...I'm not sure how deeply it has hit home that Jesus actually chose to identify fully with the criminal, with the prisoner. We talk of Jesus' incarnation - his putting on of human flesh - and we are all generally familiar with the story of his death, but I wonder if repeated hearings have dulled the brutal shock of it. The King of Kings did not just descend to earth to live a human life. He descended and became a criminal, rejected, humiliated, beaten, imprisoned, killed. He chose that way, so that no one could ever scream out, "God doesn't understand!"

Jesus went through the worst, and identified with those the rest of the world thought were just good enough to spit on. Even more than this, Jesus said that whenever we see a prisoner, we see him. Whenever we visit someone in prison, we are in fact visiting the Son of God (See Matthew 25: 31-46). Through those bars, behind that Plexiglas window, in the face of the frightened, the convicted, we are somehow meant to see the face of our Lord. This is powerful grace.

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The dems really need to giv... (Below threshold)
docjim505:

The dems really need to give up on trying to quote the Bible and pass themselves off as devout. Quite aside from the fact that I've never seen a passage that says, "Thou shalt tax one neighbor to give to another", they usually just wind up sounding like either militant atheists or the kind of holy-rolling hypocrites that give Christians a bad name in some circles.

The dems really need to ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The dems really need to give up on trying to quote the Bible and pass themselves off as devout. Quite aside from the fact that I've never seen a passage that says, "Thou shalt tax one neighbor to give to another", they usually just wind up sounding like either militant atheists or the kind of holy-rolling hypocrites that give Christians a bad name in some circles.

Wow, doc, what a terrible Christian you are. Apart from forgetting "love thy neighbor as thyself" and the entire Sermon on the Mount, you apparently believe that faith is dependent on political affiliation. Apparently by "some circles" you mean "total assholes with no compassion circles". What a prick you are; Jesus would be ashamed.

Jesus was 100% innocent in ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Jesus was 100% innocent in the eyes of the state (as affirmed by Pilate) and in the eyes of the Laws of Moses (no witnesses, in secret, and the trial was at night, thus an illegal trial times 3). The fact that he was killed at Passover underlines his perfect sacrifice as Lamb of God (which had to be perfect and without sin). And the thief identified with Jesus, not the other way around! (Notice who spoke to whom first, and that he answered not the second thief at all.) As far as visiting prisoners, in the Bible those prisoners are persecuted for their FAITH. Scripture is clear that civil authority is to be the terror or the lawless, up to and including capital punishment. Jailhouse conversions are a dime a dozen. The proof is always in the pudding, so to speak. Hence the "I never knew you" that Jesus shall speak at his return to all the self-deluded, begger-preachers and popes. And the Salvation Army UK are apparently just fundraisers in monkey suits and liars to boot!

Accusing Republicans of ... (Below threshold)
Lizzie:

Accusing Republicans of betraying family values, Senator Clinton said a House immigration bill would turn "probably even Jesus himself" into a criminal.

Well, yes, if he didn't follow the proper rules for immigration, he would certainly be a criminal.

(Incidentally, why is it okay for members of one party to invoke a religious theme to get their point across, but when members of the other party do it, they're denounced as "fundamentalists" bent on making the whole world Christian?)

Im sure Jesus would probabl... (Below threshold)
ztp:

Im sure Jesus would probably qualify for political asylum.

AAAH my little puppies gath... (Below threshold)
TomCruise:

AAAH my little puppies gather around and kneel lets pray for the sinister's at South Park! Great lets rock are future----! Enjoy my children before its to late! Tom Cruise Check out Parade.com help please

"Christ was crucified for p... (Below threshold)

"Christ was crucified for preaching without a police permit." -- Robert A. Heinlein.

Christ was not crucified for wetbacking a border, Hillary!'s notions notwithstanding.

Well basically, we've let t... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Well basically, we've let the arguement about immigration be about legal vs. illegal entry. With a guest worker program, we're about to wave a magic wand and essentially pronounce all the illegal entry we have as being legal.

Once they've decriminalized violating the new laws, basically crossing into the US under the guise of a guest worker will make someone's entry into the US "legal". Once they're here and they go off the radar that won't be considered a serious concern.

There is essentially going to be a minor filter against possible terrorist entry. Otherwise the situation will be the same as before. Except when we call for something to be done about the flood of immigration from a single source, we'll get "they entered legally" as the retort and be told we're being rascist since they technically are no longer entering criminally.

Nothing will have changed except the government will have a better excuse not to do anything about it.

mantis,Than... (Below threshold)
docjim505:

mantis,

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

Lizzie wrote (March 24, 2006 01:17 AM):

Incidentally, why is it okay for members of one party to invoke a religious theme to get their point across, but when members of the other party do it, they're denounced as "fundamentalists" bent on making the whole world Christian?

Excellent point.

Jesse Jackson gooood. Pat Robertson baaaaad.

Political rallies in black churches goooood. "Under God" in Pledge of Allegiance baaaaaad.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem... (Below threshold)
B Moe:

Jesus was born in Bethlehem because Mary and Joseph had returned to their hometown for the census and to pay taxes. They were not illegal aliens.

bryanD,Wow, I'm am... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

bryanD,

Wow, I'm amazed at your understanding of scripture (I'm not being sarcastic). Thanks for a substantive, serious and accurate post.

Proposed short quiz to see ... (Below threshold)

Proposed short quiz to see if you are acting in a Christian manner:

Are your actions informed by love?

This quiz can easily be self-administered, and self-scored.

Trying to love you all...

Hey, does this mean that Ch... (Below threshold)
yo:

Hey, does this mean that Christians have to riot seeing as how the press was criticising the Savior?

Anyone have a Dutch flag handy?

Hmmm.It takes a sp... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

It takes a special kind of idiot to misquote Scripture. And it's particularly strange that the Left is so enamored of this tactic since they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Frankly my devout Christian friends are sometimes amused, often aggravated generally resigned to being preached at by idiots.

BMoe, uh the Bible is wrong... (Below threshold)
Robert:

BMoe, uh the Bible is wrong in that respect, Jesus was not a Roman Citizen. Paul, the new testatment states, was a Roman Citizen. Non-citizens were crucified. Roman citizens were beheaded. Universial citizenship in the Roman Empire did not occur til the reign of Carcalla (sp.). Romans would not have taken the time to count the numbers of non-citizens.

Hmmm.Jesu... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

Jesus was not a Roman Citizen.

Correct. He was a citizen of the Kingdom of Judea and thus *was* a legal citizen and resident of the Kingdom of Judea.

Being a Roman Citizen is completely and utterly irrelevant because Jesus still was not an illegal alien in Judea.

"Romans would not have take... (Below threshold)
toby928:

"Romans would not have taken the time to count the numbers of non-citizens."

Not to be pedantic or anything but why have a census then? The empire had nothing like an IRS or comprehensive tax authority. The census was taken so that the emperor had some idea of what the tax take of a province should be. The Roman tax system of that period was based on tax collection bidding. Rich men would offer cash to the emperor for the right to tax a particular province, they in turn would bid out the right to a particular area to men who would in turn bid out the right to cities or whatever. Each link in the chain would try to make money on what was effectively 'the skim'. A simple and low tech method of generating cash for a vast empire. ( as an aside, at the lowest level, this extortion was enforced by off-duty soldiers in the hire of men like the disciple Matthew. Hence the many admonitions in the NT to soldiers not to take more than was required.)

The census obviously required the enumeration of non-citizens to make the tax stats workable.

Tob

Whether it's Jesse Jackson ... (Below threshold)

Whether it's Jesse Jackson claiming that Mary and Joseph were a "homeless" couple when they had to travel to Bethlehem, or Al Gore reversing the order of "where your treasure is, there your heart is" passage to promote his environmentalist agenda, and now this latest, the Democrats have a long and sorry history of misquoting the Bible for partisan purposes.

But they're not real good at it, you can tell it's not something they're not at all familiar with, they do very often so they're not real comfortable with it and so they can never get it right. And this despite Jesse Jackson's ministerial credentials and Hillary's much-touted "religiosity". Dan Quayle putting on an afro wig and speaking ebonics in order to appeal to black voters would probably be more credible.

{And the Salvation Army UK ... (Below threshold)
Kevin Cook:

{And the Salvation Army UK are apparently just fundraisers in monkey suits and liars to boot!

Posted by: bryanD}

Nice Bryan. One person writes an article and you're ready to slander the whole UK Salvation Army. Nice. For all of the good that the Army has done in the past and will do in the future, they're liars because of one article? Really? Who hurt you?

You sound like a smart guy. Start acting like one.




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