The principal of Reagan High School in Houston hoisted the Mexican flag on the flag pole below the American and Texas flags, drawing a lot of criticism:
Reagan High School Principal Robert Pambello was ordered to remove a Mexican flag Wednesday morning that he had hoisted below the U.S. and Texas flags that typically fly in front of his school -- a symbol he agreed to fly to show support for his predominantly Hispanic student body...
...The Mexican flag has become a lightning rod in the immigration debate that's consumed the city and the nation this week. Students say the flag represents their pride in the contributions Mexicans make to this country. Critics, though, said watching young Hispanics in the streets with the red, green and white flags is more than they can stand. These youngsters are in the United States and should -- at the least -- carry the U.S. flag, they argue."The whole thing just makes my blood boil," said Bruce R. Wing, a 52-year-old Missouri City resident. "I want them all out of here."
Wing said the Houston Independent School District should fire Pambello.
HISD leaders said no decision has been made about possible discipline against the principal, who declined interview requests Wednesday.
"It is appropriate to fly the flags of the United States and Texas over schools in the Houston Independent School District, since we are a public entity of the state," HISD spokesman Terry Abbott said. "It would not be appropriate for the school district to advocate allegiance to a country other than the United States. Therefore, it is not appropriate to permit use of school district flagpoles for the purpose of flying flags representing other countries."
Even though the principal was required to remove the Mexican flag, some students are defiant:
Some Reagan students said they will try to raise a Mexican flag again today. They said they want it to fly at least above the Texas flag on the pole.
"Just because you're in the country doesn't mean you can't show your culture," said Lewis Ramirez, 16, a sophomore at Reagan High.
It's interesting that this student believes that the Mexican flag is a symbol of Mexican culture. It isn't. It's a symbol of Mexican patriotism. So, where's his American patriotism? After all, he is living in and being educated in America.
Peggy Noonan has an article out today in which she says that many immigrants are not assimilating patriotically, an issue we are now seeing in the recent protests:
It's the broad public knowledge, or intuition, in America, that we are not assimilating our immigrants patriotically. And if you don't do that, you'll lose it all.
We used to do it. We loved our country with full-throated love, we had no ambivalence. We had pride and appreciation. We were a free country. We communicated our pride and delight in this in a million ways--in our schools, our movies, our popular songs, our newspapers. It was just there, in the air. Immigrants breathed it in. That's how the last great wave of immigrants, the European wave of 1880-1920, was turned into a great wave of Americans......But we are not communicating love of country. We are not giving them the great legend of our country. We are losing that great legend.
What is the legend, the myth? That God made this a special place. That they're joining something special. That the streets are paved with more than gold--they're paved with the greatest thoughts man ever had, the greatest decisions he ever made, about how to live. We have free thought, free speech, freedom of worship. Look at the literature of the Republic: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Federalist papers. Look at the great rich history, the courage and sacrifice, the house-raisings, the stubbornness. The Puritans, the Indians, the City on a Hill.
Peggy has an interesting point. Lewis Ramirez, the student mentioned above who wants the Mexican flag on the flag pole in front of his American school, doesn't seem to have any patriotism for America. At least it appears he is confusing pride in his Mexican culture, meaning the food, the language, the music, and the history, with Mexican patriotism, hence his allegiance to the Mexican flag over the American flag.
No one is saying that young Lewis Ramirez must forgo his Mexican culture. Quite the opposite. It's the variety of cultures, the melting pot, that makes this country so interesting. However, if Lewis Ramirez plans to live in America and prosper off the freedoms and opportunities that America offers, and Mexico obviously does not, then Mr. Ramirez should be showing patriotism to America, not Mexico.
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<a href="http://futurist.ty... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Boomshakalaka | March 30, 2006 1:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
One possible reason the government secretly wants to keep the border open. A very novel article.
1. Posted by Boomshakalaka | March 30, 2006 1:42 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 13:42
2. Posted by virgo | March 30, 2006 1:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think Your onto something here , good article. its a shame about the loss of a whole generation of fellow americans.. having allowed this , we are certainly going downhill, and looking more and more like europe.
2. Posted by virgo | March 30, 2006 1:55 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 13:55
3. Posted by Matt | March 30, 2006 2:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The principal in question should be fired or sanctioned. Maybe they could make flag etiquette classes a requirement before becoming principal.
If all of these students protesting love Mexico so much, they should volunteer to be educated there.
The article referenced by Boomshakalaka is an interesting one. The issue has been floated before by others. One problem. The surest way to stop Illegal Imigration is to make sure all the taxes are paid. As soon as employers and workers have to pay all appropriate fees and taxes then employment opportunities will dry up.
The last amnesty had the side affect of getting a lot of the formerly undocumented workers fired. As soon as they got a green card they had to be treated like any other U.S. worker. Employers fired them so they could hire illegal workers that they didn't have to pay taxes on, pay for benefits etc.
3. Posted by Matt | March 30, 2006 2:11 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 14:11
4. Posted by Eagle1 | March 30, 2006 2:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I reckon we'll have to set more flag poles up around the schools so that everyone can honor their "culture"- sort of like at the UN HQ in New York City. Let's see now - we got Irish, German, British, Scottish, French, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Turkish, Greek. Italian...
4. Posted by Eagle1 | March 30, 2006 2:19 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 14:19
5. Posted by DDT | March 30, 2006 2:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pull it down.
Treat it the same as the Confederate Flag.
Right?
5. Posted by DDT | March 30, 2006 2:54 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 14:54
6. Posted by junfonic | March 30, 2006 3:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is the same arguement we hear in the south when people fly the confederate flag. I don't care if private people fly a mexican flag but i am damn sure a government institution should not fly any flag but the USA.
6. Posted by junfonic | March 30, 2006 3:00 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 15:00
7. Posted by Pat | March 30, 2006 3:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In the weeks following 9/11, and more so in the years since, Americans who proudly and defiantly displayed the American flag were often criticized for it. I believe some city and community leaders, and employers like network newsbroadcasters, even tried to prohibit it. And why? Because the American flag might be offensive to "others" among us. So, we're supposed to hide our own flag, but welcome these displays of the Mexican flag? Even when done in ways that show great disrepect for America? There's something very wrong here.
7. Posted by Pat | March 30, 2006 3:32 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 15:32
8. Posted by Eps | March 30, 2006 4:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Totally admonishable
8. Posted by Eps | March 30, 2006 4:08 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 16:08
9. Posted by DaveD | March 30, 2006 4:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think it would be appropriate to remind Mr. Ramirez (the student cited above) if he really is so set on displaying his "culture" then he should consider petitioning for the flag of Spain to be flown at his high school. That is, of course, unless Mr. Ramirez can trace is lineage from from Aztec blood.
9. Posted by DaveD | March 30, 2006 4:42 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 16:42
10. Posted by ed | March 30, 2006 4:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmmmm.
1. It is very true that America's overall population numbers would be declining if immigration were completely closed off. However that theory, while nice, isn't frankly credible simply because all Congress would have to do is simply increase the total allowed legal immigration numbers.
That alone would offset any reduction in birthrates and it's something that Congress could easily do as part of a immigration reform package.
10. Posted by ed | March 30, 2006 4:55 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 16:55
11. Posted by mantis | March 30, 2006 5:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I love watching idiots get all riled up about flags.
11. Posted by mantis | March 30, 2006 5:02 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 17:02
12. Posted by kbiel | March 30, 2006 5:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Bruce R. Wing
Really?!? Is it Saturday already?
12. Posted by kbiel | March 30, 2006 5:07 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 17:07
13. Posted by Jack Burton | March 30, 2006 5:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yeah, somebody is trying to fly a Mexican flag on sovereign US soils and people are idiots for getting worked up about it.
This is probably coming from the same clowns that jumped on our troops for putting the US flag on the statue that they hauled down in Baghdad.
Either way, this is the issue where the entire Republican party has jumped the shark. Either represent the interests of legal US citizens or we'll keep voting for others until someone gets the message.
If the Democrats take all the marbles in 06 and 08, it will suck but at least I won't be feeling let down.
13. Posted by Jack Burton | March 30, 2006 5:16 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 17:16
14. Posted by bryanD | March 30, 2006 5:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If the readers of this post don't think the Mexican flag-waving, resident-alien parades, congressional appeasement and the "North American" leaders traipsing over the pyramid in Cancun are not intimately connected, you're deluded. Another block in the New World Order is being hoisted in place with a set-time of 2010. (Running ahead of schedule?) A prediction: mass-naturalization and voting rights are next, and if you think Ted Kennedy is bad, just wait until those Creole billionaires start throwing money around. Legally. p.s. Is the Iraq War some kind of blood sacrifice in place of Mayan virgins?
14. Posted by bryanD | March 30, 2006 5:28 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 17:28
15. Posted by kbiel | March 30, 2006 6:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Slightly OT, but will the pharmacy ever fill bryanD's meds? It was funny at first, but now his incoherent, spittle-flecked, conspiracy-filled offerings just bore me.
15. Posted by kbiel | March 30, 2006 6:30 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 18:30
16. Posted by Alia | March 30, 2006 6:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Apparently, they're not teaching history down here in Texas, or those students (and that principal) would know that we kicked Mexico out of this state back in 1836, we lived as an independent country for nearly ten years, then joined the US by treaty in 1845 (the reason why Texas' state flag is the only one in the union authorized to fly at the same height as the American flag). Fly the Mexican flag alongside the US and Texas flags? Hell, no!
16. Posted by Alia | March 30, 2006 6:34 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 18:34
17. Posted by Nancy | March 30, 2006 7:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
All the people that have been writing are all racist. Everybody knows the story of Mexico. How the lands were stolen. Why did everybody protest when the American Flag was burned in Iraq, including the hispanics? Why do peoples beliefs and cultures of everybody are not respected? Why can't everybody live in peace, united and with god? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
17. Posted by Nancy | March 30, 2006 7:02 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 19:02
18. Posted by Althor | March 30, 2006 7:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This appalling example illustrates what so many of us have repeatedly tried to say: This is non-violent demographic invasion by a Foreign people, who for the most part do not wish to integrate into America, but rather impose their culture and ethnicity on a land they have always considered was taken from them, and therefore they claim belongs to them. For the most part they hate and resent America. For certain, it is obvious that the loyalties of most is not with us!!!
Think that we are "exploiting" their "illegal" cheap labor?!?! Perhaps it is they who are exploiting our banality, shortsightedness, and our "bleeding-heart," "Politically Correct,"
"affectation" to gradually take over our land!!!
Viruses infect a "host" cell, by destroying its DNA and supplanting it with their own, which then goes on to turn out more copies of the virus.
In a chilling analogy, if the shade of the things to come does not change...that may very well be the fate of America!!!
Althor
18. Posted by Althor | March 30, 2006 7:31 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 19:31
19. Posted by bryanD | March 30, 2006 8:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Nancy, "the lands" were BOUGHT from Mexico, who themselves "owned" the lands for only 25 years after independence from Spain. Did Mexico pay Spain?... And kbiel, prove me wrong on any of my points (except the "virgins" part; there's too much plausible deniabilty in ritual war). Granted, the news is not read as: "Our glorious Leader's 1000-Year-Leap" but when Bush Sr. proclaimed his "Thousand Points of Light" meme and a Point of Light equals a year in Masonic symbolism, and 1000 years is a millenium, and Christ warned of a counterfiet to his TRUE millenium: you either get or you can't/won't. Don't be in the "won't" column. *wiping spittle from chin*... p.s. "bored", my ass!
19. Posted by bryanD | March 30, 2006 8:55 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 20:55
20. Posted by McGehee | March 30, 2006 9:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
How do they do that? Must be separate flagpoles, right?
And you know, I've seen state flags all over the place flying on separate flagpoles next to the American flag. Both poles the same height, both flags the same height.
Guess we better send out the Flag Police to enforce the Texas Exemption -- assuming said exemption isn't an urban legend.
20. Posted by McGehee | March 30, 2006 9:11 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 21:11
21. Posted by virgo | March 30, 2006 10:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
bryan i think your close but it may be a lot sooner than 2010.
21. Posted by virgo | March 30, 2006 10:24 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 22:24
22. Posted by scraprion | March 30, 2006 11:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The left wing idots now have their wish. Like it or not a civil war in on in the United States. The gunfire will be next. Mark it down, your ego's and hate for the country, disguised as hate for the president has destroyed any future your children and grandchildren had. Don't argue the point, mark it down and remember it as the truth by an old man that has been to war and it ain't pretty.
22. Posted by scraprion | March 30, 2006 11:45 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2006 23:45
23. Posted by mantis | March 31, 2006 12:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Marking it down in my left wing idot book..."civil war...gunfire...due to my America hatred...no future". Got it. Should we stock up on beans or something? Oh, right, no future, guess we don't need to prepare. That's a load off!
23. Posted by mantis | March 31, 2006 12:59 AM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 00:59
24. Posted by mantis | March 31, 2006 1:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh, crap, it's only getting worse. When Florida condo associations fall, Washington can't be far behind. Battle stations!
Flags. Fucking hilarious.
24. Posted by mantis | March 31, 2006 1:13 AM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 01:13
25. Posted by bryanD | March 31, 2006 2:07 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Scrapiron, the citizens of this nation are too house-broken to stage any kind of bottom-up revolution or civil war, so relax. But who is this "left" that is attacking Bush concerning this issue? I'd say you can't get further left on the contemporary political scale than the Bush policy of levelling our republic with a narco-oligarchy and economic basketcase like Mexico. Haven't you ever read of Esau selling his birthright for a mess of pottage? *I'm not a Bible-thumper but I play one at Wizbang*
25. Posted by bryanD | March 31, 2006 2:07 AM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 02:07
26. Posted by Althor | March 31, 2006 3:21 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
For those of you who may not be up to date on our fellow blogger Mantis' allusion to " Florida Condo Associations" in his remark, let me bring you up to date with the following post by Richard from Hyscience:
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/03/mexican_flag_fl_1.php
"Mexican flag flies over Chasewood North in Jupiter, Florida"
"Topics: Immigration and Border Issues"
"The Stars and Stripes have been replaced by the Mexican flag at Chasewood North in Jupiter, Florida - and residents of the condominium community are puzzled as to who made the switch. More ..."
"Someone apparently has little regard for the nation that has given them so many freedoms that they are obviously now enjoying. A bit of misplaced patriotism, is it not? Mexico instead of America? Makes me wonder why the jerk that did this isn't back in the arm pit of a country that he came from."
Posted by Richard at March 30, 2006 11:53 PM
Now, Richard says "Makes me wonder why the jerk that did this isn't back in the arm pit of a country that he came from."
Well, let me see, is it perhaps because our President and our Senate, instead of enforcing our "existing laws" and "securing our open borders," are desperately trying to find a
"Guest Worker Program" or any other darn excuse or loophole, so as to "NOT HAVE TO SEND THEM BACK"?!?!
Remember, aside from all the "lobbying," the
"campaign donations," and the "pressure" from American Business in need of "slave labor," Left wing Democrats, and groups like "La Raza" (isn't it "racist" calling a group representing the interests of an ethnic minority "La Raza," which means "The Race" ?!?!), this is a potential voting
block of 12 million voters once they become
"Amerxicano Citizens" (They'll be sworn-in in
"Spanish," and before a "Mexican Flag," to become US Citizens!)!!!
Althor
26. Posted by Althor | March 31, 2006 3:21 AM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 03:21
27. Posted by OregonMuse | March 31, 2006 11:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I love watching idiots get all riled up about flags.
So is this also what you would say to the African- Americans who protested the flying of the Confederate flag over the Georgia statehouse?
27. Posted by OregonMuse | March 31, 2006 11:20 AM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 11:20
28. Posted by Nahanni | March 31, 2006 11:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Gotta laugh at the idiot "hispanic racist" La Raza types (La Raza means the race in Spanish) who claim that this land was "stolen" from them by the "Europeans" (aka white people).
Guess it never dawned on them that the term "hispanic" means they are of Spanish decent. Last time I looked at a map Spain is located on the European continent. They probably do not know this because they are dumb as a box of rocks and Geography is not taugh in schools unless it is to push a leftist agenda. Guess they never learned that 2+2=4 in school, too. These idiot children and this principle do not realise that the Mexico they so love was created by the Spanish out of land stolen from the indigious population which they either killed or forcibly converted to Christianity. And if they love Mexico so much I suggest they go back there-we wouldn't want them to be unhappy.
Now, for all this "stolen land" crap all one has to do is review history to find that EVERYONE lives on land "stolen" land from everyone else.
Some examples...
France-named after a tribe called the Franks. Who came from Germany. The "indiginous" Gauls still exist in places like Brittany. Oh, there is a part of France called Normandy, named after the Northmen who settled there from places like Norway, Denmark and Sweden.
Britain-Named after a people who no longer exist. They were killed off by various invasions of tribes from Germany and the everpopular "Northmen". That is where the term "Danegeld" comes from.
Lombardy in Italy-Named after a tribe from Silesia that settled there after the collapse of the Roman Empire. Perhaps the Italians should run all these folks in Milan and the rest of Lombardy back to Poland where they belong.
Hungary-keyword is "Hun", as in THE Huns from Mongolia.
Pakistan-a country with no basis in history, created by the British because Jinna of the Moslem League scared them into it when the Brits were leaving India. He told them that Moslems could not live in a country that was predominantly Hindu even though they had been doing so since the advent of Islam in India. The country known as Pakistan historically has always been a part of India in one form or another-either through various empires or as tribal/sultanates withing the sphere of Indian influence. Israle has more historical reason to exist then Pakistan does, but don't tell the Islamofacists that.
The various tribes on the north and south American continents were constantly "stealing" land from each other and in not very nice ways. Of course these idiot children and their principle have no clue about this because they are taught revisionist propaganda that passes for "history" in public indoctination camps....errr...public schools.
28. Posted by Nahanni | March 31, 2006 11:38 AM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 11:38
29. Posted by kbiel | March 31, 2006 12:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Unfortunately, it is an urban legend in Texas. I'm a proud Texan and I have heard this little bit of false trivia repeatedly. Yes, the U.S. flag code authorizes all state flags to be flown on a separate flag pole at the same height as the U.S. flag, but the U.S. flag must occupy the right-most position in any flag display (from the presenters point of view, so you usually see it on the left when passing by).
We can still rightfully claim that the Texas state flag is the only state flag that was once a national flag.
29. Posted by kbiel | March 31, 2006 12:00 PM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 12:00
30. Posted by OregonMuse | March 31, 2006 12:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thank you, Nahanni. Excellent post. There really isn't any such thing as "indigenous" peoples. There's just successive waves of different invaders.
30. Posted by OregonMuse | March 31, 2006 12:35 PM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 12:35
31. Posted by mantis | March 31, 2006 1:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So is this also what you would say to the African- Americans who protested the flying of the Confederate flag over the Georgia statehouse?
Yep. Anyone who really really loves a flag or is really really offended by a flag is stupid and needs to focus on more important things in life, like the pledge of allegiance. ;)
31. Posted by mantis | March 31, 2006 1:01 PM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 13:01
32. Posted by ed | March 31, 2006 1:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmm.
Ok mantis.
How about these flags?
32. Posted by ed | March 31, 2006 1:47 PM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 13:47
33. Posted by ed | March 31, 2006 1:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmm.
Whoops! Forgot the hat-tip: InstaPundit.com
33. Posted by ed | March 31, 2006 1:47 PM |
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Posted on March 31, 2006 13:47
34. Posted by mantis | March 31, 2006 2:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, I don't see a lot of flags there, mostly signs. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's stupid to oppose the Mexica/Anahuac movement or rebut their claims (or the MEChA movement, for that matter). I'm just saying the focus on flags is, well, idiotic. And funny.
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Posted on March 31, 2006 14:19
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