If this current amnesty bill passes, does anyone want to bet that it'll be another 20 years before we see another push for another amnesty bill? And what the illegal alien population will be in 2026?

Ummm, 22 million?

So what? Most business interests in this country have no desire for tough immigration reform. Both parties' politicians have a desire for immigrant votes.

Reform? Never happen*. Get used to it.

(* maybe once we have nanobots, but until then...)

Mantis pretty much said what I was going to say, but I'll add this:

Just as no administration took islamic terrorism seriously until 9/11, so there will be no serious effort at immigration reform/border control/whatever unless we get hit by some big time catastrophic event. I have no idea what a catastrophic event would look like in the context of immigration, but whatever it is, that's what it will take to get the politicians' attention. Right now, they're just playing around, like they've always done on this issue.

I have three words:

Se habla ingles?

The first consequence of the illegal immigration we have now will be:

"Solamente Español" signs (assuming I'm using these terms correctly).

It won't be that English won't be spoken. It will be that Only Spanish will be spoken and likely Spanish will become the official language of a State. I see nothing in the Constitution concerning the country's official language. That essentially has the effect of leaving it upto the States themselves to decide.

The irony is that those that are enabling illegal immigration that live in those states, will gladly move out to neigbboring States themselves, only to repeat the process again in their new home State.

The next generation of residents residing in California, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and Nevada are going to need to learn Spanish in order to work, live, and do business in those states.At the present rate of Mexican expansion into those states Spanish will be the official language in about 20-30 years. By my estimation, in about 50 years do to "white flight" out of those states, Mexican culture will be permanently established and the predominate population.Cannot self determination then be reason for those states to cede from the union or move to annex to Mexico.Me thinks the end game is already in the play book.

I have three words: Oh my God.

Actually, I have considerably more than three words, but they all involve some kinda rationocinative movement, something that might be dangerous for the regulars here...

A wall, eh? Complete separation and 100 percent enforcement. I'm sure the people who are dead set against big government and all will shit themselves trying to set up additional beauracracies and hire more border guards and just generally grow the government -- in this direction. (Ever read/hear what Newt told a southern law enforcement conference about the drug war a few years back? No end, he said, to the number of departments and posts and beauracracies and what-all he'd set up -- to fight the drug war. Yep.)

There's a simple answer to every question, and it's wrong. This applies to 99 percent of what has been written (carved in stone, I'm sure, like the Ten Commandments or the outhouse signs in the state park) on this subject by the neocon shitheads who rule this particular cracker box.

Post that, ya dink.

-- But if you can tell me how we can keep those New Hampshire creeps out of Maine, I might go along with y'all. That's a wall I'd build.

Be careful what you wish for, astigafa. If a wall separates NH from ME, then ME loses its only overland access to the rest of the United States. You'll have to go through Canada or take the Atlantic for access to the outside world.

J.

All I can add is this little story ....

It was the first day of school and a new student named Pedro Martinez, the
son of a Mexican restaurateur, entered the fourth grade.

The teacher said, "Let's begin by reviewing some American history.

"Who said 'Give me Liberty, or give me Death?' "
She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Pedro, who had his hand up.
"Patrick Henry, 1775."

"Very good!" apprised the teacher. "Now, who said, "Government of the
people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth?"
Again, no response except from Pedro:
"Abraham Lincoln, 1863."

The teacher snapped at the class, "Class, you should be ashamed! Pedro,who
is new to our country, knows more about its history than you do!"

She heard a loud whisper: "Screw the Mexicans!"
"Who said that?" she demanded.
Pedro put his hand up. "Jim Bowie, 1836."

At that point, a student in the back said, "I'm gonna puke." The teacher
glared and asked, "All right! Now, who said that?"
Again, Pedro answered, "George Bush to the Japanese Prime Minister, 1991."

Now furious, another student yelled, "Oh yeah? Suck this!"
Pedro jumped out of his chair waving his hand and shouting to the teacher,
"Bill Clinton to Monica Lewinsky, 1997!"

Now, with almost a mob hysteria, teacher said, "You little shit. if you say
anything else, I'll kill you!"
Pedro frantically yelled at the top of his voice,
"Gary Condit to Chandra Levy, 2001."

The teacher fainted, and as the class gathered around her on the
floor,someone said, "Oh shit, we're in BIG trouble now!"
Pedro whispered, "Saddam Hussein, 2003."

Finally someone throws a eraser at Pedro, someone shouted "Duck"!
Teacher asked "Who said that?
Pedro: Dick Cheney 2006!

So be it. The outside world is severely overrated, in my opinion.

Yeah, hey Tim: I'm voting for Pedro, and that's that. Idiot! Take my tots & scram.

Tim,

FUNNY!

I enjoy the explanation of the problem and the associated banter however, this Mexican infultration is a serious social disaster and must be delt with through voicing opinion to our representives and then using our vote in leu of a march.