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Some Thoughts on Monday's Illegal Immigration Protests

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At least the mayor of Los Angeles has his priorities straight.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Antonio Villaraigosa, Los Angeles' first Latino mayor in the modern era, will skip huge pro-immigration rallies planned for Monday to meet with pro football officials in Dallas, leaving organizers feeling like "a ship without a captain."


Oscar Sanchez, an organizer of the Great American Boycott in Los Angeles, said the mayor's office previously told the group he would speak at a downtown Los Angeles rally on Monday -- then backed out.

Instead, the mayor will be in Dallas speaking with National Football League officials about the possibility of bringing a team back to Los Angeles.

Several things stand out in this article. First, these demonstrations are pro-illegal immigration rallies, not pro-immigration rallies as the article incorrectly states. Second, notice how Reuters quickly picked up and ran with the "Great American Boycott" ridiculousness pushed by the California Senate. And third, of course the mayor of LA chose to attend talks about bringing an NFL team to his city instead of these protests. A new NFL team would mean a huge influx of revenue for his city. How is it that the mayor's choosing to do his job is news?

Update: Mark at Blogs for Bush says LA's mayor has other motives for attending the NFL talks in Dallas - cowardice:

What the mayor has seen is how unpopular these demonstrations are with everyone who isn't attending them - believe it or not, but the population of Los Angeles is not majority illegal immigrant - it just seems that way some times. For Villaraigosa, it is a matter of political survival - he wants to keep his radical, leftwing credential, of course, but he also wants to be re-elected in the by and by...and for that he'll need the votes of, you know, American citizens who don't like to see their flag disgraced, nor their national anthem sung in Spanish.

What? A politician sticking his finger in the air and then making a decision? Say it ain't so!

Also, it seems rumors of raids may frighten some illegals from attending these protests. Pro-immigration groups are trying to get ICE to say publicly that it won't make immigration arrests at the protests, which it, of course, won't do.

But here's a thought: rather than conducting raids during the protests, ICE agents should scour the cities in which these protests are taking place, particularly the larger ones, and identify the companies that are closed due to the fact its employees (most likely illegal employees) are attending the rallies. ICE should raid those companies the following day when the illegal immigrants are back to work. Then again, that would require ICE to do its job. Considering its track record on matters of illegal immigration, that's unlikely.


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Comments (36)

Here's a few employers who ... (Below threshold)

Here's a few employers who have already announced they will be shut down.

What bothers me is that the... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

What bothers me is that there's no coincidence this is May 1st or May Day. May Day is a large holiday outside the US including Mexico. There's the obligatory Worker's March followed by celebrations/parties (at least where I was in Sweden when it happened).

As far as I can tell they are abandoning their employers to celebrate on the their national (Mexican) holidays.

So much for being a part of a America or good workers.

Its also moments like this as to why the socialists are helping organize this. For them, its not an immigration (illegal or otherwise) rally , for them its May Day.

Need a job, look tomorrow a... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Need a job, look tomorrow and show your citizenship papers. Need to start your own business, lawn maintenace (and other jobs americans won't do as slaves) pays big money with minimum investment and tomorrow will be an excellent day to sign some contracts. Want to know who the criminal business owners are in your neighborhood, go out and check tomorrow. If they employ criminal aliens they are criminals themselves and will rip you off also.
It would also be a great day for the terrorist cells in the country to make their presence known. A few small car bombs would kill thousands if properly located during the protest. I would if i were a terrorist and hated America.

This little nugget of a sit... (Below threshold)
Tim:

This little nugget of a site blows my mind. http://www.casademaryland.org/index.htm
If you cruise the site, you'll find several things that stick out.
1: They illegally hook up day labor with contractors through use of this site.
2: They take donations that believe it or not, are TAX DEDUCTABLE
3: Federal employees can donate through the United Way's Combined Federal Campaign of the National Capital Area, CASA's account number is: 8159. (This means an Immigration Customs Enforcement agent can donate to the illegal activity, get a tax deduction, then arrest the very people he donated to.) What a whacky world we live in.

I support the mexican's 110... (Below threshold)
kitty:

I support the mexican's 110 %

I support the protest 110 %... (Below threshold)
kitty:

I support the protest 110 %

Mexico treats it's immigran... (Below threshold)
Rick:

Mexico treats it's immigrants harshly. Just look into it. Then they have the gall to tell us that we have to accept their needy. The problem is that we're all just a bunch of wimps. We have no backbone
because we have no idea of hard things really are. Soon we will all be scrambling to find our rights.
Thanks to our ELECTED representatives!! This is a real form of terrorism and we are all guilty of letting it slide by. No doubt our children will thank us for our greed and our complacency. If we let this happen we DESERVE it.

I support Kitty moving to M... (Below threshold)
Toddk:

I support Kitty moving to Mexico 110%

Phoenix just cancelled it's... (Below threshold)
Imhotep:

Phoenix just cancelled it's rally.
My wife found it on the internet checking for traffic delays tomorrow.
It's not being advertised in the TV/print local media.

Toddk said:I su... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

Toddk said:

I support Kitty moving to Mexico 110%
I second the motion. But unfortunately she would find it hard to do so. While the Mexican government supports illegal immigration to the US, they are fighting an illegal immigration problem of their own. You see, Central and South Americans are trying to illegally enter Mexico by the Guatemala border. So they've put troops on the border. If you are caught illegally in Mexico, it's a Felony. They don't play inside their borders.

And it's harder to immigrate to Mexico than the US legally. If you can accomplish it, and move there, you can never own property. Oh, you can purchase it, so to speak, but it will be titled to a bank in your name, and will never be in your name, even if you pay cash. Compare that to all the banks in the US actively courting illegals to buy property.

Close the border NOW. Then we can work on solving the problem with all those that are here now.

I've read your comments and... (Below threshold)
Amy:

I've read your comments and would like to take the opportunity to let you in one the real reason many of the Mexicans are here illegaly. Due to the poor economy and poverty in Mexico many have risked their lives to cross the border to the US. They certainly didn't come here because of our "rich culture". Mexican people value their family structure very much and for men and women to leave their children to work here it was a terrible decision that needed to be made to keep their families alive. In fact, if the economy was not such a problem they wouldn't be here. They love their country and their people and would much rather be there than here. From the comments I read who can blame them? And as for calling these people "invaders", is that what your ancestors (besides Africans) were called when they moved to the US to make better lives for their families? Canadians move here as well, some are illegal. They come for our healthcare system. Are they invaders? Or is their skin to much like yours for you to care? For those of you who believe we would be better off without their hard work, go ahead a boycott the companies who support their workers. Here is a list to give you an idea of where to start: any companies that sell fruits and vegetables, don't buy flowers or meat. Don't stay in any hotels (many of the people who change your dirty sheets are Mexican) and before you decide to build a new house make sure it isn't or wasn't built by Mexicans. This is just a start. Good luck on your boycotting efforts.

Hey Amy,Do you hea... (Below threshold)
whatever:

Hey Amy,

Do you hear that??? It's a violin playing a sad, sad song. Get a clue.

You can stop playing the vi... (Below threshold)
Amy:

You can stop playing the violins for the Mexicans and start playing them for yourself. What are you afraid of? Who are you that you feel you have the right to say who can and can't live here? What makes you so much better?

Amy, am I to take from your... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

Amy, am I to take from your comments that you think it's OK that people just continue to flow over the border without any restrictions? Yes, my ancestors came here from Ireland, Scotland, and Germany back in the 1700s. Even the so called Native Americans are thought to have come over from Asia via the Bearing Strait. Essentially we all immigrated here. But there's a difference. It's something called The Immigration and Nationality Act, or INA, created in 1952. These current 'immigrants' are actually illegal, no matter what spin you put on it.

It's an insult to those that followed the law and immigrated legally to just say, OK, those that are here illegally can just stay, or even worse, just grant them citizenship. I've got a friend that immigrated from Paraguay 25 years ago. He followed the law, learned the language [in fact, he speaks 4 languages now, he knew very little english on arrival], and became a citizen 20 years ago. Now he has spent thousands, and many sleepless nights, to bring his new wife from Columbia last year. And we just tell these folks here illegally that it's OK?

We've got to get a handle on our borders. Maybe a guest worker program is eventually put in place, I don't know. It's a hard thing to load 11 million people on busses and ship them all back. Mexico will probably block their return at the border, creating an international incedent. But the fact is, they are still illegal, no matter how you spin it.

And there are a portion who believe in "reconquista", either by means of conquering the southwest US to become part of Mexico, or to create an independent state, 'Republica del Norte", consisting of the southwest US and northern Mexico. In this sense they are invaders. Don't believe it? Google it. Just sticking our heads in the sand doesn't make it go away.

I never said that we should... (Below threshold)
Amy:

I never said that we should open the borders and just let people flow in. There is protocol that people are required to go through an I agree with that, but the situation as it is now requires more than just shipping people back to Mexico. The Guest worker program would be a great start. The US isn't exactly doing a great job keeping Mexicans from illegally crossing the border the way it is now. I do appreciate an intelligent response, thank you.

Amy said:The US... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

Amy said:

The US isn't exactly doing a great job keeping Mexicans from illegally crossing the border the way it is now.
Amen. We're doing NO job closing the border now.

Just understand that anger is going to boil over on this issue, just like people are fussing about gas prices right now. When people march demanding the new civil rights, and wave Mexican flags in our faces, and tell us that if we use the term 'illegal alien' it's the equivalent of using the N word and racist, and demand social services and education for their kids, you're going to get a fiery response. Lots of backlash. Comments like the one that appeared on this forum earlier I support the mexican's 110 % is bound to generate angry responses, on the order of, If you don't like this country, then get the hell out! It's only natural.

Yes , but the the thing is ... (Below threshold)
virgo:

Yes , but the the thing is they do love this country and dont want to get the hell out!
this parade/festival whatever it is tomorrow is going to hurt their cause severely.DONT DO IT !

Amy-You can stop wit... (Below threshold)
Toddk:

Amy-
You can stop with the sob stories about the conditions Mexicans must contend with when it comes to making a living. I empathize with them when it comes to that, BUT it still doesn't make it right to do what they're doing. Why is the U.S. the only nation in the world that can't enforce an illegal immigration policy? Mexico doesn't catch any flak for their stance and actions when dealing with their own. They come here breaking the law, fill up our prisons (Cal. state prisons is around 1/3 illegal), force our schools to teach their children (in Spanish no less)and all sorts of other things. Then they demand amnesty/citizenship. HOW DARE THEY!!

As far as getting rid of the illegals

You don't need a wall at the border. You don't need to round up millions to deport. You go after employers (large and small) and kick them so hard their balls are in their throats. When the jobs start to dry up they'll go home. Then maybe they can stage protests in their country. Let's see millions protesting in Mexico City*. Now that's something I could support. And I would be geniunely happy for them if they did pull that off. A better Mexico means a better U.S.

*Why do you think the Mexican govt. is in up to it's eyeballs supporting illegal immigration? Money? for sure But it's also because they're scared about what would happen if all of them were there instead of here.

I too have issues with cert... (Below threshold)
Amy:

I too have issues with certain services that are given for free to immigrants who come here illegally. There isn't enough being done by our governments, local and federal, to remedy any of the negative aspects of illegal immigration. The fact remains, though, that they are here, they do contribute to our economy (no matter what people think), and we have benefited from their hard labor for years. More positive dialogue and less closedmindedness over this topic is necessary. Instead of saying "go back to your own country" why not ask each other "what can be done so that everybody wins". Give Mexicans that are here the opportunity to achieve full citizenship. If the guidelines are not followed, then yes, by all means they will need to leave.

Why the Border Issue / Ille... (Below threshold)
docjim505:

Why the Border Issue / Illegal Immigration Is Serious:

1. Security issue. If Mexicans looking for a good job can cross our borders, so can terrorists looking to stage attacks in our country. Anybody remember the terrorist with a trunk full of explosives caught by a (thank God!) alert customs officer back during the last years of the Clinton admin? We got lucky that day; want to keep trusting to luck?

2. Drugs. Much the same as (1) above. The Border Patrol and local law enforcement have caught many major shipments being brought across the border, in some cases by people wearing Mexican army uniforms, carrying Mexican army weapons, and driving Mexican army vehicles. Tunnels built for smuggling purposes have also been found under the border.

3. Respect for the law. If we're going to start ignoring our immigration laws, what other laws can we start ignoring? If we can get enough drug dealers and users together to stage protests and show how indispensible they are to our economy, will we grant amnesty to all of them, too? How about everybody who has a speeding ticket? Or who owes taxes?

4. Fairness. How many times must it be said: plenty of people have immigrated to our country legally, jumping through the numerous hoops the government has devised. Many more (including a Canadian co-worker of mine) are waiting for the system to process their applications. Shall we basically tell them that they are a bunch of suckers for playing by the rules and let millions of people who DIDN'T play by the rules butt to the front of the line?

5. Health and safety. Most immigrants, legal or illegal, are basically law-abiding. Some, however, are not. It's in our best interests as a society to make some effort to ensure that criminals are not allowed into the country. Ditto those with contagious diseases.

6. Assimilation. By not insisting that they learn to speak English and our customs and traditions, we are making little effort to turn the immigrants into Americans. This is asking for big trouble down the road. I'm not too happy having a group of people in the country who are openly agitating for part of it to be ceded to them under the false claim that it's being "returned". While I think that this movement is small now, what will we do if (when?) a majority of people in California or New Mexico vote to secede? Some of my ancestors tried it a century and a half ago; the results were bloody.

I've heard the arguments that we can't get along without cheap labor, that Mexican immigrants do jobs "that Americans won't do". A couple of thoughts:

1. Americans won't do those jobs because cheap (illegal) labor depresses wages.

2. Shall we bring back slavery, then? The ultimate cheap labor...

If people want to gripe about our stupid immigration laws that make it a long and costly process for people to come here, I'm right there with you. If people want to celebrate the contributions that immigrants have made to America, I'll join you.

But I'm not about to compromise the security of my country, undermine the rule of law so I can have cheap lettuce, or slap legal immigrants in the face.

I want the borders secured, preferably by means of fences and walls. Once that's done, we can talk about what to do with the illegals who are already here and how to make it easier for law-abiding foreigners to come to our country.

Amen, virgo.From T... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

Amen, virgo.

From Toddk

*Why do you think the Mexican govt. is in up to it's eyeballs supporting illegal immigration? Money? for sure But it's also because they're scared about what would happen if all of them were there instead of here.

Absolutely. They would demand changes. Plus, about 25% of their GDP would dry up immediately.

While riding across central Mexico last September, about 2000km by car [my back hurts just thinking about it], my friend and host said, pointing to a nice house that stood out from the others, "You know where the money came from to build that house? Your country!" After that, I kept noticing the occasional finished, large houses along the trip, mixed in with the usual smaller, partially completed ones.

Thank you, docjim505... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

Thank you, docjim505

They already failed to foll... (Below threshold)
Toddk:

They already failed to follow guidelines by being here.

And since when is calling for the enforcing of laws closed minded?

Enforcing laws is not close... (Below threshold)
Amy:

Enforcing laws is not closed minded-I did not say that. What is closed minded is that everyone seems to think that enforcing the existing immigration laws is going to solve everything. There are millions of people here illegally, for whatever reason. It would be impossible to gather millions of people (especially since we really don't know exactly how many there are)and force them to leave. Why not change the existing laws (still "trying" to enforce the border)so that the people who are here illegally have the chance to become legitimate citizens. I understand that it is a slap in the face for those who have come here legally and jumped through hoops to get here, I'm sure I would feel the same. You mention drugs, they will never stop being transported over the border. It's big business and if you don't think that government officials have their hands in that pot you are sadly mistaken. And when was it that our country said that it was a rule that once you become and American you have to abide by our customs and traditions. Do you mean the African-American customs and tradition or the Hispanic-American customs and tradistion? Wait, you must mean the Christian customs and traditions. No? Oh, you mean the Hmong-American customs and traditions then. You are being ignorant if you think the US has any cut and dry customs and traditions.

Farm labor cost accounts fo... (Below threshold)
jack:

Farm labor cost accounts for only 6% of produce prices. So even if farm labor were to DOUBLE, your grocery bill would only increase by 6%.

27% of federal prison inmates are "undocumented workers."

[email protected] Amy<p... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

@ Amy

1. I for one don't give a rat's ass. You want a hardship tale then go read up on the kind of shit AmerAsian children have to put up with in Asia.

2. The reason why Mexicans are here in America is because they're too fucking cowardly to actually change the rotten political system they have in Mexico.

3. The reason why Mexicans are poor, and looking for work, is because the Mexican government, like many other governments in Central & South America, is largely leftist, Socialist and largely isn't competent to run a 7-11 let alone a large country.

[email protected] Amy<... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

@ Amy

Oh Christ, another liberal. Here we go yet again.

It would be impossible to gather millions of people (especially since we really don't know exactly how many there are)and force them to leave.

Prove that it's impossible and provide complete details on your evidence. Simply put: you cannot prove a damn thing.

Why not change the existing laws (still "trying" to enforce the border)so that the people who are here illegally have the chance to become legitimate citizens.

Because we fucking did that in 1986 when there were 3 million illegal aliens and that "were too many to deport so why don't we just make them citizens". Only instead of 3 million it turned out to be 7 million because it was extremely difficult to prove that any specific "undocumented" illegal fit the particulars of that amnesty or not. So it almost a decade of litigation to finally resolve that one.

And what did that do? Come on Amy, you can see an example of it in the television set tomorrow.

Come on. What did that amnesty do?

It doubled or tripled, or worse, the problem. Now we've got at least 11 million and perhaps 20+ million illegal aliens and here you are thinking that yet another goddamn amnesty is just fucking peachy.

And in 15 years it'll be 40 million illegals and Amy #2 will be asking "why don't we just make them citizens?".

Some days there just isn't enough vodka in the house.

[email protected] Amy<... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

@ Amy

You are being ignorant if you think the US has any cut and dry customs and traditions.

Amy has achieved the trifecta of ignorance.

Christmas
Halloween
Easter
New Years
Thanksgiving
4th of July
Veteran's day
Labor Day
Memorial Day
George Washington's Birthday
Martin Luther King's Birthday
Baseball
Football
Cheerleading
Spelling Bees
Summer cookouts

A myriad of ideas, concepts and customs that have arisen over the centuries as Americans have melded together into a singular whole.

**Note that nowhere in that list is May Fucking Day. Because the only people who really celebrate May Fucking Day are Socialists, Communists and people who think Marx was anything other than a imbecile.

And who is protesting on May Fucking Day?

Not a lot of Americans in case that needs to be pointed out to you.

Amy,I have NEVER s... (Below threshold)
Jack:

Amy,

I have NEVER seen anyone suggest deportation of all the illegal aliens. The claim that "it would be impossible to force them to leave" is nothing but a straw man argument.

The fact is that it wouldn't take much for them to find life back home more attractive than life here, and to create such an environment would be quite easy.

I have read some of the com... (Below threshold)
Alan:

I have read some of the comments in this thread and my comment is the following:

It was 17 years ago when my mother crossed the United States border illegally and left me in Mexico because she did not have the resources to bring me with her. Our situation in mexico was devastated and as a result my mother had no other option but to find other alternatives. Can you imagine how hard was it for a single mother to leave a child behind? My mother illegally work hard in this country for six months having two jobs to hopefully bring me to her. At the age of 8 my mother was caught by immigration and she wasnt deported because she simply didn't signed the deportation documents. Fortunately my mother used to clean the house of a lawyer and decided to help her fight the case. With continually going to court for one year my mother was granted a green card for both of us. Today thanks to my mother's hard work I am a legal citizen. I am in college working on a biology major. Perhaps this anecdote is not so important, yet I think that there are still positive stories like this out there. We do not need to think of illegal immigrants only as invaders taking the American job but also as people that can help with our economy. Some can say Mexican's need to deal with their government in Mexico first, but do you think my mother could wait 20, 30, 40 years for that to happen?

Alan,Nothing perso... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Alan,

Nothing personal, but your mother was a criminal that should not have been rewarded for her actions.

'Can you imagine how hard was it for a single mother to leave a child behind?'

Apparently, not very hard.

ed's response to ... (Below threshold)
docjim505:

ed's response to Amy's comment that we have "no cut and dry" traditions here in America is spot on. Yeah, we like to celebrate our ancestry. I, for example, am a Southerner and damned proud of it. A good friend of mine is of Polish ancestry, and he's proud of that. I have no problem with people of Irish descent celebrating St. Patrick's Day, or people of Mexican descent celebrating Cinco de Mayo, or with German-American parades, Italian-American parades, etc. Being allowed to keep and celebrate one's traditions is, well, an American tradition.

However, at the back of all these celebrations is a common belief that we are AMERICANS first.

When people come to this country and DON'T assimilate, it goes beyond celebrating their home culture and instead becomes balkanization of our country. Some of the protesters (I hope it's a small minority, but I don't know) obviously aren't interested in becoming Americans: they openly call for parts of our country to be handed back to Mexico or ceded to form some new country between the US and Mexico. This isn't simply celebrating their culture.

It's sedition.

And that brings me to an American tradition that ed missed in his otherwise excellent list:

Respect for the law.

I have sympathy for people who come here in search of a better life. I can even understand those who just want to work here, make some money, and go home. But my sympathy ends when they break the law, and turns into hostility when they try to threaten us into ignorning or changing it.

One last note:

We certainly CAN round up most if not all of the illegals. However, we don't want to try because doing so implies the use of police state tactics that I don't think any of us want.

Amy has achieved the trifec... (Below threshold)
T:

Amy has achieved the trifecta of ignorance.

Christmas
Halloween
Easter
New Years
Thanksgiving
4th of July
Veteran's day
Labor Day
Memorial Day
George Washington's Birthday
Martin Luther King's Birthday
Baseball
Football
Cheerleading
Spelling Bees
Summer cookouts

myriad ideas, concepts and customs that have arisen over the centuries as Americans have melded together into a singular whole.

First of all, how many centuries do you think that our country has been around? Secondly, quite a few of the holidays that are mentioned here aren't cut-and-dried American traditions, but rather distillations of holidays that originated in acient European societies. I don't think that Americans are a "singular whole" by any means. Look at the last two presidential hijacki-I mean, elections. I mean, we're taught the whole "melting pot" crap from the moment we start learning American history, but the world isn't that simple. We're ultimately all out for ourselves and our own, so who're we kidding?

Agree 110% with Amy.<... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Agree 110% with Amy.

People you don't just keep 11 million people in the shadows. You bring them out and give them a path that will bring them into the light and having done so balance so that our nation gains as well.

We need their labour and we as a nation of immigrants we should have the compassion and understanding to know that we are not about to chain up that many and beat them out of the country.

By and by most are here to work, and to seek a better life.

Though I cherish my citizenship. I see these masses that flood or our nation as a credit to what we have to offer the world. They are here to work not to sit in the sun and bake themselves silly.

We have a need, they meet that demand. In service and exemplary conduct why should we withhold the offer of citizenship to those who would adhere.

This is not about how to stop them, this is about how to direct them and to guide those who are here, those who will be here and how their destiny and an American one can be molded into everyone's benefit.

Amy I respect your opinion ... (Below threshold)
Alan:

Amy I respect your opinion and agree with it thanks for your intellectual comment.

Mike,I agre... (Below threshold)
docjim505:

Mike,

I agree with many of the sentiments of your post, but I have to take issue with certain points:

People you don't just keep 11 million people in the shadows. You bring them out and give them a path that will bring them into the light and having done so balance so that our nation gains as well.

If you want to discuss immigration reform, I'm with you. A friend of mine is Canadian, married to an American woman. He reckons it will cost him about 5 - 7 YEAR and $5000 to become a citizen. This is ridiculous.

The answer, however, is not letting streams of people enter illegally and then wave the magic amnesty wand to make it all OK. It's in our interests to make sure that we aren't letting in criminals and terrorists along with everybody else.

We need their labour and we as a nation of immigrants we should have the compassion and understanding to know that we are not about to chain up that many and beat them out of the country.

Very few people are suggesting mass deportation. Right now, most people who are concerned about the illegal immigration problem, like me, want the border secured. As far as I'm concerned, once that's done, we can talk about what to do with the people who are already here and how to LEGALLY let more in without making them wait until they're old and grey.

It's a tough question. They have proved that they are risk-takers and willing to work hard to get what they want: the very kind of people we want to become Americans. However, it doesn't do a thing in support of the rule of law to simply overlook the fact that they broke the law to get here, and in most cases continue to break the law by using falsified papers. It's also quite unfair to the immigrants who played by the rules (like my friend) to jump all these people to the head of the line.

Though I cherish my citizenship. I see these masses that flood or our nation as a credit to what we have to offer the world. They are here to work not to sit in the sun and bake themselves silly.

Agreed on all points.

We have a need, they meet that demand. In service and exemplary conduct why should we withhold the offer of citizenship to those who would adhere.

True. But, on the other hand, why should we grant amnesty, especially under threat?

Also, should there be any requirements that they have to meet before we make the offer? Should they have to learn English? Learn some basic facts about our country and its history? Take the oath of citizenship? Pay back taxes? Or are we simply going to tell them to go to the courthouse or DMV and sign them up and hope they assimilate? What if they don't want to be citizens, but rather simply want to work here? And what do we do with the ones who don't register at all? Deport them, or simply throw up our hands and make them de facto legal residents until such a time as they decide to leave?

If we place any requirements on them, especially monetary ones, why should they cooperate? Do they really want to be US citizens, or are they just here to make some money?

This is not about how to stop them, this is about how to direct them and to guide those who are here, those who will be here and how their destiny and an American one can be molded into everyone's benefit.

A noble sentiment, and one with which I generally agree. But, again, this is REALLY about national security and border control. And, possibly, ensuring that the reconquista types don't become anything more than a lunatic fringe movement. Otherwise, at the rate things are going, we may have to deal with the majority of California / New Mexico / Arizona residents (note: I don't say "citizens") voting to secede in a decade or two. What then?




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