Oh my ,I did not happen to see any of this on the major news networks? surprise surprise.

Kim,

As usual, your post is ill-informed. I watched coveage on CNN, Fox Local news in NYC and MSNBC and ALL showed the mexican flags, Che t-shirts and pro-Reconquista signs.

You post referred to you having a point. What is it? My suspicion is that it's more towing of the party line that the MSM is the new public enemy #1

However misguided the protests were, please stop attaching an agenda to every story the MSM covers without a more thorough analysis of the facts.

United States of Mexico? So their plan is to move here and ruin our country just like they did with theirs? Of course the MSM isn't going to show it. It wouldn't fit in with their plans of ruining the country the way THEY want it ruined. As a side note, a poll was taken here in NC about amnesty, guest worker visas, ect. 37% voted for all out deportation. Anybody else have a poll they would like to share?

Oh yeah... that's right... the illegal ("undocumented") aliens ("immigrants") didn't work or shop yesterday.

That way, we can see how the economy would react to their absence.

And this morning, a stunned public collectively said, "Oh. Was that yesterday?"

The best bit I heard from the whole thing was a woman who said, "We don't support open borders, we just want amnesty for everyone who is here already, and for anyone else who wants to come here in the future."

The worst part is this: Thousands upon thousands of illegals gathered in giant groups, chanting and singing and waving signs.
Why weren't they... I don't know... ARRESTED and DEPORTED?!?!?!?

Rob, Haven't you figured out that posters on this blog are not "reality-based"... but instead just blindly follow the big players in the right-wing blogosphere.

"Michelle says X - and so do we!" It's all part of the cross-linking circle-jerk mentality prevalent in the lower echelons of the conservo-bloggers, who desparately are hoping for one link back in return for the hundreds they give out...

Nice. THAT will rally America to their cause.
On the other hand, how sweet was it to drive to work yesterday NOT surround by a zillion uninsured motorists and having the person at the fast food window actually speak understandable English?
I say, "More protests like that, please!"

Why of course Lee,that banner stating Mexico and U.S.= United states of Mexico is clearly a plant by Rightwing Bloggers. Your bias knows no bounds.

Rob & Lee, You live in la la land. Get out of the city and off the liberal blogs and talk to those who live in middle America, who don't qualify for aid but don't make enough money and just barely scrape by. I am a military spouse living in VA and even though I'm working on my Ph.D, I will not receive in-state tutition because my husband is a legal resident of NV. However, the illegal immigrants who attend college in the Commonwealth do receive it for their entire tenure at the various public institutions of higher learning. We military folks only get it for one year. The illegals are taking much more than they give in my opinion as the ER's are filled with them on weekends (I'm an ER nurse as well). I went out of my way yesterday to do all my shopping including a new washer because I wanted to show them that they have no impact on me. You can go back to your marching orders given to you by Howard Deen, George Clooney and Susan Sarandon now. I think they're calling you.
BTW why don't you just stay on your own psudeo intelletcual media matters board.

A good point Moonbeam. why dont they extend their protests for another 3 months if their really serious and we will see if there is a negative or positive effect?

Yeah, Lee, I know what you mean by the "circle-jerk mentality". By the way, do you have anyone who would do it with you?

Local radio here, WSB in particular, had live reports from the Georgia capitol area, where the Atlanta protests were held, mentioned several times that, as the number of protesters finally numbered about 2800, that there was a number of "No War", "Get out of Iraq", etc. signs in the mix. The few anti-illegal immigration protesters were asked to move down the road to a designated area to preserver order. It was reported that they did.

I thought these protests were supposed to be about immigration???

DaveD,
Like in Blazing Saddles when Bart said that his family was in the wagon train being attacked by Ind... er, Native Americans, that the white people wouldn't let them into their circle, "so we had to make our own circle"?

LOL

Nice headlights in the last pic... (*)(*)

Wave_man,
Yep, something like that. LOL

wave_man

I guess the liberals are just drawn to illegal activities like Bees to pollen..

DaveD made a pass, saying "Yeah, Lee, I know what you mean by the "circle-jerk mentality". By the way, do you have anyone who would do it with you?"

Move along, Dave. I'm not interested, but I'm sure you will find many around here who are.

cate s - No question that the lack of border security has resulted in an immigration problem that is huge, and out of control, and that there are problems such as yours which need to be fixed... but the fault lies in Washington, not on the internet, and not in the streets of America.

"I went out of my way yesterday to do all my shopping including a new washer because I wanted to show them that they have no impact on me. You can go back to your marching orders given to you by Howard Deen, George Clooney and Susan Sarandon now. I think they're calling you. BTW why don't you just stay on your own psudeo intelletcual media matters board.

We all have the freedom in this country to address these matters in our own way (within the limits of the law, of course). Isn't it nice having these freedoms? I'm glad you exercised your prerogatives, but don't attempt to stop me from exercising mine, please. I've found Wizbang! to be the perfect place for me to speak up on issues of importance. Feel free to ignore my posts.

Lee said:
Rob, Haven't you figured out that posters on this blog are not "reality-based"... but instead just blindly follow the big players in the right-wing blogosphere.

"Michelle says X - and so do we!" It's all part of the cross-linking circle-jerk mentality prevalent in the lower echelons of the conservo-bloggers, who desparately are hoping for one link back in return for the hundreds they give out...

Hey Lee, do you really believe we conservatives have never read anything at the Daily Kos? You "forward thinkers" are still quoting Ward Churchill and Cindy Sheehan to each other, for God's sake.
Maybe the reason The Kos can't sell it's new book and Air America can't stay on the air is because they have nothing to say (except "we hate Bush," of course).
The good news for you is at least CNN is doing.....ah, never mind.

No question that the lack of border security has resulted in an immigration problem that is huge, and out of control, and that there are problems such as yours which need to be fixed... but the fault lies in Washington, not on the internet, and not in the streets of America.

"A decade without immigrants" ... has a nice ring to it. Why not try that?

Rob & Lee,
You always present illogical arguments..you're hardly worth mentioning.
You wait until election time for those representatives requesting amnesty. Just as Cate mentioned, everyday Americans go without Medicare treatment in deference to freeloading invaders. My sister-in-law is one of those going without. She has three children, one with leukemia, two with Celiac disease and she herself suffers from a rare disease. Her husband left her once the medical bills started piling up, and she does not qualify for aid because she lives with her parents. Of course she could lie on the paperwork, but that is not the American way. Instead, she pays those medical bills $100 a month with the little child support that her ex-husband was forced by the government to provide. How many Latinos do that?

I was watching Telemundo and Univision last night (I'm fluent in Spanish) and I never heard a word on the economic drain these illegals are on our society. Instead, they showed march after march of illegal supporters in other countries and compared this to the MLK era. The radio DJs were touted as heroes and latinos celebrated as the "backbone of America". They are not the "backbone" but rather the backbreaker. This infestation will never stop if we continue to concede ground.

Ilegales estan matando la alma de los Estados Unidos. La lucha ha empezado por la preservacíon de los derechos Americanos. Ganaremos, guarantizado.

Can anyone think of ONE thing Mexico has contributed to humanity? Anything?

Wow, I'm a right wing theocrat?

A mouthpiece for MM and in desperate search for linkage?

I am not in reality-land?

[well, one out of three ain't bad...]

...back to the basket weaving before they come to take me away, ha-ha.

"Can anyone think of ONE thing Mexico has contributed to humanity? Anything?

Posted by: Tim at May 2, 2006 03:42 PM"

I always liked "Zorro". Does that count?

wasn't Zorro a creation of Hollywood?

Yes, Lee it is nice to have freedom of speech but at the same time you also need to responsible about it. I would never dream of stopping your right to blather about absolutely nothing. If you really liked the USA, you would have done the same yesterday. BTW I think that those who believe that people who come here illegally, demand the rights and voting rights of citizens either born here or naturalized have a lot of well you know whats. I think it's ridiculous for people who break the law to demand that everyone bend to their whims. Next time I get a speeding ticket I'm going to as for amnesty since it appears to be working for illegals. I am very upset at the way President Bush has handeled the border but Bubba did nothing with it either. I think that what we ought to do is secure the border, send back those who were marching with Mexican and other country flags, the criminals (there are a lot of them here who are illegal---yes I know there are plenty of our own citizens who commit crimes). Also, don't forget to thank those who serve for your right to speak out. Also, you can ignore my posts all you would like but at the same time I think that is a ridiculous statement.

How about Taco,s?

Tim...
They've given us jalapeños and heartburn.

By the way, let's not forget the Mexicans who in a round of the Worldcup soccer game against the US chanted "Osama!, Osama!, Osama!". Would they support a terrorist organization? You answered our question already.

"So their plan is to move here and ruin our country just like they did with theirs?"

Tim,

With all due respect, I don't believe it's the Mexicans that ruined their country, it's the government. It is the failure of the people to stand up and change it yes, that much is true. Reform needs to start in Mexico for Mexican people, not in America for Mexican people.

Then again, it's been obvious since the onset that these people have no desire to improve living conditions back home. When things are bad, it's much easier to just leech off of another country and expect to be rewarded for it.

Can anyone think of ONE thing Mexico has contributed to humanity? Anything?

Tequila? Margaritas?

Cate s said: "I would never dream of stopping your right to blather about absolutely nothing."

and

"Also, you can ignore my posts all you would like..."

Done deal Cate s - have a nice life!

Steve,

Please pay attention to the discussion before you call someone out in a post.

I hardly expresesed an opinion in my post, I simply pointed out that Kim's claim that the MSM wouldn't show certain pictures was inaccurate and inflammatory. My claim, I might ad, cannot be easily debunked and I'm assuming that's why you refrained from referencing it.

It was not an endorsement of the protestors, whom I believe I mentioned, were misguided.

For the record, I don't support Amnesty and support closing off the border. I just despise partisan distortion and mouthpiece blogging.

May I suggest you go to http://icasualties.org click US casualites then click by State and Calif ...then check out the Mexican surnames who have been killed In Iraq wearing the uniform of our country. While you are there click your State and look at the names.

Here in Denver a cross section 75,000 men women and children marched against 4437. Those standing tall for 4437 were listed in the media at around 50. Where are the demonstrations supporting Bush, Iraq, 4437, forced birth? Why don't you regulars here organize a massive rally for any of the above issues in your city? Heck the KKK can bring 25 almost anywhere..surely you can round up 100.

Drew E
this has nothing to do with supporting Bush or not. this post is about the illegals trying to make an impact statement which they did not accomplish,sorry to say.
And how many of the 50 were legal citizens? and how many of the 75,000 were legal citizens?
how many were anti war protesters?
how many do this professionally? and on and on apples and oranges for sure.

As for the service Men and Women of Mexican heritage, they are heroes in My book and true patriots in every sense of the word.

Can anyone think of ONE thing Mexico has contributed to humanity? Anything?

Don't be a jackass. Have a look at this list for notable Mexicans and their contributions. Don't miss the science and technology section.

wasn't Zorro a creation of Hollywood?

Zorro was the creation of American writer Johnston McCulley, and the character lived in Spanish-era California.

Mantis I did as you suggested and checked the science and technology section of the site you provided. I was suprised to find astronaut Rodolfo Neri Vela, Ph.D.... hmmm I thought he was with NASA. That Mexican space program must be doing better than expected.

Can anyone think of ONE thing Mexico has contributed to humanity? Anything?

Yes, probably more than you have. And I second mantis' jackass comment.

Having said that: Inmigración legal ? Si! Inmigración ilegal? No!

It IS just that simple.

Hmmmm.

Here's a question:

With all this cross-border ecumenism going on why doesn't Mexico have an extradition treaty with America? Why are murders, thieves, rapists and pedophiles still able to cross over the border into Mexico and basically disappear?

Hmmm.

Don't be a jackass. Have a look at this list for notable Mexicans and their contributions. Don't miss the science and technology section.

They forgot to include the national hero of Mexico:

Pacho Villa

Who made his name by attacking, murdering and robbing Americans along the border.

Can anyone think of ONE thing Mexico has contributed to humanity? Anything?

Donkey shows.

I have an idea. Let's let the Chineese do the same thing to Mexico.

Actually, kidding aside, if you've never been to Mexico City, you need to go once in your lifetime. I had an excellent guide while I was there. Stayed in a Japanese hotel however - hmmm.

They forgot to include the national hero of Mexico:

He's on the list, under Francisco Villa, in the military section. Pancho is short for Francisco.

RE: MSM coverage of the protests

I haven't done an in-depth study, but I was struck by a yahoo! headline to the effect that "Illegals Flex Economic Muscles".

As I understand it, most people didn't notice ANY economic impact from the protests. So... WHAT economic muscles?

RE: Right wing protests

Most of us are too busy with work or school to "protest". I do my "protesting" by writing my members of Congress, the White House... and voting.

Hello, I would like to add my 2c.

I am not an citizen of the United States so I am not all that familiar with your issues. I have read up on this one although :)

Anywhoo my point is that all of you should metaphorically stop shitting where you eat.

I am sure there are legitimate reasons against immigration but I also see a lot of thinly veiled racist drivel in the comments. Any legitimate complaints against Immigration/amnesty I see are tainted by the immediate horseshit that follows. I.e.

"Just as Cate mentioned, everyday Americans go without Medicare treatment in deference to freeloading invaders. My sister-in-law is one of those going without. She has three children, one with leukemia, two with Celiac disease and she herself suffers from a rare disease. Her husband left her once the medical bills started piling up, and she does not qualify for aid because she lives with her parents. Of course she could lie on the paperwork, but that is not the American way. Instead, she pays those medical bills $100 a month with the little child support that her ex-husband was forced by the government to provide. How many Latinos do that?"

First of all, I am sorry that your sister is having a hard time. But life does suck and shit does happen. I have a major issue with what you are trying to illogically link together though..

The problems with your sister's health and medicare: It is not the immigrant's fault that everyday Americans go without healthcare. They are not consuming all of your medicine and taking up all of your doctors time. Think about the costs of medicine and doctor's appointments, are immigrants rich? As the robots say.. does not compute.

The current government policy of the leaders you elected or had previously elected that determine medical healthcare in your country.

Your bigotry assumes that immigrants are a bunch of sickly freeloaders invading your country. I am sure that as with anything the actual immigrants are a mix of people/choices. Some immigrants are probably hard workers and others are shiftless bastards. It all depends on the person, you cannot lump together people under a single title/label. Thats called being a stereotyping asshat.

That touches on my second point. 99% of Americans, despite living there for X generations are immigrants. You all came here from Europe, Russia, etc.

Unless you are native, technically the United States of America is not your country of origin but your country of naturalization. Yet, Americans have a double standard when it comes to their ancestor's immigration. And despite what many of you probably will state in your rebuttals; many many people came from Europe to America illegally as stowaways and refugees. Your fledling country at the time welcomed them and helped them.

Whatever happened to
"Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Huddled Masses?"

Whats different from the immigrants of that time to the immigrants of now. Is it because they arent white?

Listen up, no one wants to move out of their home, their country of origin. But horrible terrible shit happens all over the world, and especially people with growing families want a safe and secure place to raise their children. Its the same as what you want.

If America suddenly imploded in internecine violence, many of you would have to face the painful decision of emigration. So please, have a little heart and try to understand although your experience with war, famine and all that wonderful stuff is limited.

Yes. America has an illegal immigration problem, contributing and spilling over to other social problems. However, the underlying issue behind this immigration problem is two fold. Your immigration policy (which I have fully read) is obtuse and non-sensical at times. The (lack thereof) enforcement of borders and lack of funding in related departments also add to the problem. Its an issue you should research and find a solution to. But instead all I witness is finger pointing and demonization of immigrants.

Oh yeah, and i think the immigrants not working for a day is counterproductive to their cause. And just plain silly.

**Hate Rant**
And to the person/troll (tim) that wrote What has Mexico ever contributed to humanity?

What have you contributed to humanity? Other than the shit that comes out of your anus and your mouth? Also, grow some testicles, or at least let them decend and post your email.

You think you are so clever? You ass. I despise you.
**end of rant*

who will have the last laugh?
when the rest of the world becomes terrorists
and the americans are no longer safe...
When we take down all borders
and disarm patriarchy,
will you be fighting with your guns to defend false pretenses known as capitalism and inequality?
Is it scary to think that your wealth could be captured by non-white people?
Is it scary to think about your heritage, about the United states and all of its citizens as Immigrants of North America?
Are planes and towers scary to you?
Is it death that scares you
Or is it the loss of what you know as your personal American dream?