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Jimmy Carter's Palestinian Sympathies

Jimmy Carter has a letter in the International Herald Tribune in which he plays the violins for the Palestinians because they aren't getting the funding from the US they normally do.

Before we fall all over ourselves in sympathy for the Palestinian people, let's examine Mr. Carter's arguments.

In the first paragraph, Mr. Carter states the following:

Innocent Palestinian people are being treated like animals, with the presumption that they are guilty of some crime. Because they voted for candidates who are members of Hamas, the United States government has become the driving force behind an apparently effective scheme of depriving the general public of income, access to the outside world and the necessities of life.

The Palestinians may be innocent, but Hamas, their government, is not. Hamas is a terrorist organization of the worst kind that has ordered and participated in murders, assassinations, and executions. The Palestinians elected these terrorists to run their government knowing what they are and what they do.

Mr. Carter then writes, "because they voted for candidates who are members of Hamas," as if the Palestinians' voting for terrorism is a small, insignificant matter. It is neither small nor insignificant. Voting for terrorists to run their government in a post 9/11 world is especially dangerous.

Mr. Carter continues: "the United States government has become the driving force behind an apparently effective scheme of depriving the general public of income, access to the outside world and the necessities of life." Scheme? Note the connotation that the US's position is somehow underhanded. Depriving? The use of this word connotes a sense of entitlement. The Palestinian people are not entitled to US money. In the past, the US government chose to provide funding out of human goodness and charity. This is an option the US government chose not to exercise at this time. Besides, why aren't the Palestinians providing their own income and necessities of life? The citizens of every other civilized nation do. Why not the Palestinians?

In his second paragraph, Mr. Carter writes this:

Overwhelmingly, these are school teachers, nurses, social workers, police officers, farm families, shopkeepers, and their employees and families who are just hoping for a better life. Public opinion polls conducted after the January parliamentary election show that 80 percent of Palestinians still want a peace agreement with Israel based on the international road map premises. Although Fatah party members refused to join Hamas in a coalition government, nearly 70 percent of Palestinians continue to support Fatah's leader, Mahmoud Abbas, as their president.

Even if 80% of the Palestinians want a peace agreement with Israel, their terrorist government does not - it wants Israel destroyed. And the Palestinian people knew this when they voted for Hamas.

Mr. Carter also asserts that "nearly 70 percent of Palestinians continue to support Fatah's leader, Mahmoud Abbas, as their president." The Palestinians may support Mr. Abbas, but, again, Hamas does not; in fact, it planned to assassinate him because he was interfering with Hamas' attempts to "govern." That's terrorist code for destroying Israel. Rather than trying to work out a compromise with Abbas, rather than doing what other civilized governments do when they run into an impasse, Hamas reverted to instinct: assassination.

Mr. Carter continues:

One clear reason for the surprising Hamas victory for legislative seats was that the voters were in despair about prospects for peace. With American acquiescence, the Israelis had avoided any substantive peace talks for more than five years, regardless of who had been chosen to represent the Palestinian side as interlocutor.

Is Mr. Carter admitting that the Palestinian people voted for Hamas out of anger because they felt Israel wasn't holding up its end of the bargain? If so, then the Palestinian people weren't just voting against the corruption of the Fatah party. They were voting for an anti-Israel party, which they got.

With all their faults, Hamas leaders have continued to honor a temporary cease-fire, or hudna, during the past 18 months, and their spokesman told me that this "can be extended for two, 10 or even 50 years if the Israelis will reciprocate." Although Hamas leaders have refused to recognize the state of Israel while their territory is being occupied, Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh has expressed approval for peace talks between Abbas and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel. He added that if these negotiations result in an agreement that can be accepted by Palestinians, then the Hamas position regarding Israel would be changed.

Mr. Carter characterizes the systematic murder of Israelis as a "fault"? That's the understatement of the year. Simply because Mr. Haniyeh has approved talks between Abbas and Olmert doesn't mean anything until Hamas behaves like a civilized government. That means endorsing the use of diplomacy and compromise to deal with a problem rather than assassination.

Abbas and Olmert coming to an agreement the Palestinians could agree with doesn't mean that Hamas will respect it. Hamas' goal to destroy Israel isn't based solely upon the fact that Israel is occupying Palestinian land. It's based upon hatred for Jews, so Israel could completely withdraw from what Hamas defines as Palestinian territories and Hamas would still seek to destroy it.

Finally, Mr. Carter's pro-Hamas essay ends this way:

There is no way to predict what will happen in Palestine, but it would be a tragedy for the international community to abandon the hope that a peaceful coexistence of two states in the Holy Land is possible. Like Egypt and all other Arab nations before the Camp David Accords of 1978, and the Palestine Liberation Organization before the Oslo peace agreement of 1993, Hamas has so far refused to recognize the sovereign state of Israel as legitimate, with a right to live in peace. This is a matter of great concern to all of us, and the international community needs to probe for an acceptable way out of this quagmire. There is no doubt that Israelis and Palestinians both want a durable two-state solution, but depriving the people of Palestine of their basic human rights just to punish their elected leaders is not a path to peace.

First, the international community hasn't abandoned hope that peace can happen between Israel and the PA. The Palestinians essentially did with their selection of Hamas. Second, why is it the "way out of this quagmire" rests only on the shoulders of the international community and not on the shoulders of the Palestinians?

The Palestinian people chose the terrorists of Hamas as their leaders. Hamas uses assassination and suicide bombings to eliminate their political and religious opponents* instead of compromise and diplomacy to work with them as the rest of the civilized world does. If this is what the Palestinian people want for their government, fine; the US government will respect their choice. It just won't fund it.


*changed from enemies. The word "opponents" is more precise.


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Comments (25)

I forget, when Haider becam... (Below threshold)
kev:

I forget, when Haider became Chancellor in Austria, was Carter anywhere saying that we should respect the people's right to elect a Neo-Nazi racist?

One of the things in my life I'm proudest of is voting against this douchebag in two Presidential elections. Will he never learn to go away?

Great post, really. Looove... (Below threshold)
UnemployedRedStateDentist:

Great post, really. Looove this gem towards the end:

"..instead of compromise and diplomacy to work with them as the rest of the civilized world does. "

All this said without any apparent sense of irony?

Nice blog. It's sort of like The Onion


-only not funny.

"It would be a tragedy f... (Below threshold)
Sean P:

"It would be a tragedy for the international community to abandon the hope that a peaceful coexistence of two states in the Holy Land is possible."

First of all, I don't think there is no hope for peace at all, only that there is no hope for peace as long as Hamas is in power, this comment is extremely jarring. But aside from that, why is it that the same people who claim that -- even after sixty years of unrelenting conflict -- we must continue to work to achieve a peaceful solution in Isreal/Palestine, are often the same people who can't wait to throw in the towell in Iraq?

Thank you for a common sens... (Below threshold)
ps:

Thank you for a common sense response to this out of touch with reality imbecile. he fucked our country up when he was [embarrassingly] president and now he still wont shut up....he is as big an embarrassment to the country as cheney and bush....jimmy, go build a house or eat some peanuts or something, just please shut up

Kev:You called Carte... (Below threshold)
Charles Bannerman:

Kev:
You called Carter a douchebag. When did he move up in the world? He is an enema bag.

Carter is a continuing source of shame for me, a Georgia boy who claimed to be from Florida when he was president. He was a piss poor governor, the worst president in US history and apparently the dumbest son of a bitch who ever drew a breath.

I wish he had the decency to die.
Chuck

Let's see - some terrorists... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Let's see - some terrorists choose to hijack jets and crash them into skyscrapers, while others would seem to appear to prefer starving innocent women and children through economic blockades.

Looks like we're effectively engaging the enemy on their level.

"First, the international community hasn't abandoned hope that peace can happen between Israel and the PA. The Palestinians essentially did with its selection of Hamas."

It's far from over -- and let's hope no innocents have to die before it is.

You REAGAN Lovers are Anti-... (Below threshold)
Victor S.:

You REAGAN Lovers are Anti-Semites.
Why are you sitting here trying to say you arent
You Delay Abramoff Bush Reagan anti-Semites!!

Christian WACKOS
and thats from the JEWS!!

In the real world, bigotry toward Jews and support for Israel have long been independent variables. For instance, as Oval Office tapes attest, President Richard M. Nixon was anti-Semitic and did not restrain himself from expressing that virulent prejudice in private.

may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits and may the scorpions sting you to death!

Also - I believe "former Pr... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Also - I believe "former President Carter" is the correct protocol, and much more appropriate than "Mr. Carter" -- at least in the first mention of his name.

For Example:

"Bush's father, former President George H.W. Bush, said "history will give Reagan great credit for standing for principles."

In February 2003, a Florida... (Below threshold)
Victor S.:

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox "Investigators" team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.

According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)

Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) "a false, distorted or slanted story" about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.

See you are America Liars!!
may your stomach burn you forever!
Blood Cult Christians Falwell Robertson!
Liars Bush Wacko Fox News Liars.

I know that there are some ... (Below threshold)

I know that there are some people that think the US taxpayer should be held at gunpoint and robbed to support someone else. I am willing to tolerate some of this domestically simply due to the ignorance of the gummit-skool educated/indocrinated. It would cost too much to start that process over for everyone under 50 and most of them have demonstrated an unwillingness to learn much more than the instructions to operate a cable remote.
But really! I have yet to see any proof that giving money to an antithetical government (because that IS who gets the money), does any conceivable good to the US or the US taxpayer. If anyone can prove to me paying the Danegeld ever got rid of the Dane, I would certainly reconsider, but after all repeating the same thing over and over and epecting a different result is the definition of what?

Hmmmm.Vic... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

Victor Shikhman

Joy, yet another one.

Victor Shikhman is obviousl... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Victor Shikhman is obviously comprehension challenged, much like the idiot pretending to be an elderly statesman who never met a dictator he couldn't morally support.

Carter is a throwback to the pre-911 age that belives money can solve all diplomatic problems, also know in the real world as bribery/extorsion.

I guess the lefties didn't ... (Below threshold)
Master Shake:

I guess the lefties didn't get their government checks today, and are taking it out on us. Or maybe they ran out of 'shrooms. Or both.

Lee, I think "pathetic disgrace Carter" is even more appropriate terminology.

Victor, may you be torn to pieces by dogs and eaten by pigs. Liar! CNN! Al Jazeera! Creepy liar!

hey victor, here's a senten... (Below threshold)
ps:

hey victor, here's a sentence you should understand...if you don't like this country then go back to israel and on the way go fuck yourself...and i am NOT an antisemite, i'm an antiasshole

Why would anyone, by this t... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Why would anyone, by this time, take anything Jimmy Carter says seriously. This is the Carter that talked the Clinton Administration into a phoney deal with the North Koreans, and allowed them the time to develop a nuclear bomb. Remember the great job he did in Iran, as your President?
I could go on for a week. He was a totally miserable president, but he has even been a worse ex-president, if that's possible.He should stick to building houses, the only thing he appears to be able to do properly.

No, let Victor type away. ... (Below threshold)
scsiwuzzy:

No, let Victor type away. He only shows how wacked out, and as mantis called it, batshit crazy that many on the left have become.
Let Lee, Mak44, Field-Negro, jp2 and the ususal trolls (and their accompaning sock puppets) spew all they want.
Their postings and the rallies the left loves to throw are the best examples to show folks what they are really about.

"The Palestinians may be in... (Below threshold)
JK:

"The Palestinians may be innocent, but Hamas, their government, is not. Hamas is a terrorist organization of the worst kind that has ordered and participated in murders, assassinations, and executions."

So you're trying to tell us that various Israeli governments has NOT "participated in murders, assassinations, and executions"?

Yes you are. Go get yourself two eyes. The single eye you've got makes you helpless.

I don't know where Lee pers... (Below threshold)
docjim505:

I don't know where Lee personally stands on "economic blockades" (which the rest of us call sanctions), but I can say that his side was all for "starving innocent women and children" when it came to Iraq.

Or South Africa, for that matter.

This is why sanctions don't work: the wrong people suffer, and wrong-headed people use this as an excuse to relax or end the sanctions long before the government against whom they're directed has felt even the slightest discomfort.

docjim, I'm not so... (Below threshold)
Lurking Observer:

docjim,

I'm not so sure about that. Lee might well have been among those demanding the lifting of the sanctions, because 5000 Iraqi babies were dying every month.

'Course, by my old calculator, that works out to 60,000 Iraqi babies alone dying every year. Doesn't touch the elderly, those who couldn't access certain drugs, go abroad for medical care, etc. Have that many been dying in Iraq since 2003?

Then again, I suppose Lee did support the sanctions since, after all, that was what was keeping Saddam from developing WMD in the first place.

LEE Its nice of you ... (Below threshold)
Dick Morrass:

LEE
Its nice of you to agree that Hamas is choosing to starve the palestPESTS by not swearing off their murders. we dont owe them anything Dolt!

Cotter is just as big a buffoon as john kerry would have been, had he managed to fraudulate a few million more votes. i never thought i would ever hear anyone make Howard Dean sound only sub human. But peanut boy pulls it off.

"I'm not so sure about that... (Below threshold)

"I'm not so sure about that. Lee might well have been among those demanding the lifting of the sanctions, because 5000 Iraqi babies were dying every month."

Quick quiz:

Saddam is a world-class bastard, so the UN passes some sanctions against Iraq. They set up an "oil-for-food" program so that the Iraqi people don't suffer for Saddam's behaviour. By a combination of UN corruption and Saddam diverting the proceeds of oil-for-food into his gold toilet seat fund, lots of Iraqis starve to death.

Whose fault is this?

(a) Saddam.
(b) The UN.
(c) Saddam and the UN.
(d) G. W. Bush and the Republinazis, because you really hate them and want someone to blame.

Yeah, rag on Jimmy Carter. ... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

Yeah, rag on Jimmy Carter. He's tentative and liberal and a little soft in certain ways. Gave the Panama Canal to the Panamanians, what a dick. Lots of reasons not to like Carter; he lusted after women in his heart, bad boy.

Just don't tell me that W is a better president.

They both leave a lot to be... (Below threshold)
virgo:

They both leave a lot to be desired! but honestly are only flawed human beings.

I'm glad I googled my name!... (Below threshold)

I'm glad I googled my name!

As the REAL Victor Shikhman, I completely renounce the crap that the impostor left under my name. I don't know if there is a way to erase it, and will be contacting the blog owner to attempt such.

In real life, I, Victor Shikhman, am a stalwart supporter and defender of the State of Israel and am a proud American.

To prove that I am not lying, here is the link to a newsletter for the PRO-ISRAEL organization I helped found at the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee (UWM) - Campus Organization for Israel (COFI).
http://www.uwm.edu/StudentOrg/COFI/

In addition, here I am quoted in the Jerusalem Post for a mock Israeli election we held this past spring - Israel Votes:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395645890&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

In today's world you've got to defend your name.
-The Real Victor Shikhman

this is ignorant to the fac... (Below threshold)
rami:

this is ignorant to the fact that tha palestinians are the oppresed from the israel hate and war machine.




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