That picture of Rove is a liberals wet dream!

Kevin, that was very, very cruel of you to post that picture.

I am positively envious.

J.

You don't even know what a liberal is.

"he's engaged in "lying, cheating and backstabbing," is a former cocaine addict, served time for grand larceny, repeatedly tried to kill himself and has battled mental illness his whole life."

So, you're saying he is a mainstream liberal?

Right now Fitzgerald is more concerned about patching up his case against Libby than in expanding the case. If he had something concrete on Rove he would have indicted him a while back.

So, Poser. I assume you do know what liberals are? "Posers?"

Quoting Kevin's post: and as Howard Kurtz reports: he's engaged in "lying, cheating and backstabbing," is a former cocaine addict, served time for grand larceny, repeatedly tried to kill himself and has battled mental illness his whole life. [See Kurtz, Salon, NRO, and NewsMax, and DUmmie Funnies for coverage of Leopold's past]

Reading where you wrote "See Kurtz, Salon, NRO, and NewsMax, and DUmmie Funnies for coverage of Leopold's past" I assumed the links provided backed up the claim that Leopold is a bad actor.

None of those links provided any support to your claim, Kevin, that Leopold is ghuilty of cocaine abuse, etc.

Can you provide a link to any supporting documentation? I'm sure you don't want to leave the appearance that this is just a smear, hit piece. A link to the information you have in quotes would be helpful. Thanks!

Saw this link to Truthout at several sites over the weekend, some that I thought were reputable and unbiased. I first thought it to be a joke, but I think they put some stock in it.
The only person that I have found in the past that believes this site and lets it drive his thinking is Chris Mathews...nuf said.

Lee, I forgot to paste in the Washington Post link. It's there now.

The whole thing is rovian to begin with. Anyone see any parallels with this and Bushs war record?

Leopold claims to have two completly seperate sources, and the official announcement is supposed to arrive on Tuesday according to Leopold (guess we will see then).

However the point is that we still don't know if he is or not, but hard core Right-wing media can go "Haha stupid Liberals, Rove isn't indicted". Just like Bushes war recorded which no one continued to try to find after CBS memo mess.

What I think is he may be covering his ass, with the recent material that has appeared showing Cheney may of had something to do with Plame. Generally indictments are handed out to try and force a plee bargain and being asked to return 4 times is hardly a good sign.

Funny picture btw.

Whether or not someone had a drug problem, attempted suicide, had run-ins with the law or battled mental illness should not bear on his/her cred.

Only if they are STILL an addict or engaged in self-destructive behavior should they be questioned.

Branding people's past sets back the mental health profession 100 years and invalidates the efforts made by people who have CHANGED.

Of course I would not stoop to mentioning DittoHead's drug problems, William Bennett's gambling, Bush's avoidance of mandatory service and DWI's, or the refusal of General Miller to stand behind his men at trial. Oh, whoops.

Superliberal posted: "Of course I would not stoop to mentioning DittoHead's drug problems, William Bennett's gambling, Bush's avoidance of mandatory service and DWI's, or the refusal of General Miller to stand behind his men at trial."

Glad to see you won't stoop to reporting the same old lies. Unfortunetly most liberals don't have your sense of ethics.

SuperLib,

You can not honestly believe that someones past drug problems or past (and obvious current) mental problems shouldn't be considered when evaluating their credibility. That is exactly how you assess credibility. You consider if their background makes it likely or unlikely that they would be reporting facts or lies.

"Unfortunetly (sic) most liberals don't have your sense of ethics."

Yes, ethics is a Republican virtue; of course it is, since they are the (self-appointed) arbiters of what 'ethics' and 'vrtue' mean, how could it be otherwise? Of course, if by ethics one means a code of behavior encompassing things like honor and honesty (see the history of Karl Rove's political tactics), well then one could always turn to Jesus, but, well, He had long hair and taught the power of love and mercy, compassion and sharing, etc...Far too liberal, obviously. I mean, c'mon, rich men, camels, needles and heaven--what kind of revolutionary crap is that?! Good thing the Empire was there to crucify him, all in the name of making the world safe for nationalistic governments openly run by corporate interests who know their bottom line from some pansy-ass commie preaching against greed and war (and the engines who drive them--thank you Carlyle Group, Halliburton, Bechtel, Du Pont, GE...)

None of those links provided any support to your claim, Kevin, that Leopold is ghuilty of cocaine abuse, etc.

Leopold claims those things himself, Lee. Try reading the articles next time.

What could be scarier than a bunch of Tennessee Gorilla Women having a cyber-gasm?

If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be hilarious!

Cute Lisa. Thanks for confirming your high school sophomore status. Some of us were wondering.

You'll see who'll have the last laugh here... and my money is on Jason Leopold. Rove is going down down down! Merry Fitzmas everyone.

Coming from one who believes Rove is the devil, I do agree there's plenty of reason to be skeptical. If Leopold is lying or his source is, its pretty risky considering he states we'll know with days. Time will soon tell if the frogmarching will begin.

But sleight of hand, misleading. It's so the way this admnistration does things. This, for instance, re BlogAds:
http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/06/05/edi06033.html

But back to Rove --

Updating the Rove indictment story Posted by: McQ on Monday, May 15, 2006 http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3873

Jeralyn Merritt at "Talk Left" has outlined a conversation he had with "Truthout.org" author Jason Leopold concerning his assertion that Karl Rove's indictment is imminent. Interesting read. Merritt's bottom line:
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Bottom line: I believe Jason's sources told him what he reported. Were the sources accurate? Were they basically right but just mistaken on a few of the legal technicalities due to an unfamiliarity with the jargon? Time will tell. If they lied, Jason has promised to disclose their identities....
If the return of the Indictment is made public this week,then regardless of whether Fitz was at Luskin's office for one hour or many hours this past Friday, or whether the Indictment was voted on last week or this week, I think it proves Jason's sources, and his reporting, substantially correct.On the other hand, should it turn out that Fitzgerald was not in D.C. at all on Friday, that he was not at Luskin's office and neither was Rove, then Jason will disclose his sources and we can discuss whether Jason was set up and why.
Still developing after a fashion.
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The storm is on us.
Ah so. They're damming up the whistleblowers, aren't they.

http://jungcircle.com/muse/bigbrother.html

LissaKay:

Hey, that's hilarious! Hahaha! look what she did, folks, she misspelled "Guerilla" in "Tennessee Guerilla Women"! Spelled it like a hairy animal! Get it? "Gorilla"? Hairy-legged wimmin and stuff? Too funny! We never heard THAT one before! As for orgasms, cyber- or otherwise, perhaps you might restrict yourself to speaking only of things you know. Which would be, based upon a cursory glance at your blog, basically, nothing.

Also, attacking the messenger is so first-Bush-term. But go ahead, do it. Doesn't change the message, whenever it should finally arrive.

The veracity of Leopold's story will be seen shortly (he's guaranteeing it, for what it's worth); however, it's patently ABSURD for anyone who claims to be non-partisan and logical to condemn Leopold and his story at this point.

After all the misdeeds and the indictments/pending indictments why WOULD a logical person give Rove and the gang the benefit of the doubt??? They've forfeited that. At this point it's really in their laps to prove otherwise. Sad to say, but they've earned all this skepticism and anger they're handed. Maybe it'll have it's day in court, but don't accuse the court of public opinion for wrong-doing on this, no way.

There is simple proof that the picture is fake.

Can you possible imagine Karl Rove in a khaki suit, and that tie?!?!?

"...he's engaged in "lying, cheating and backstabbing," is a former cocaine addict, served time for grand larceny, repeatedly tried to kill himself and has battled mental illness his whole life."

You mean, like Rush?

LargeBill sez...
"You can not honestly believe that someones past drug problems or past (and obvious current) mental problems shouldn't be considered when evaluating their credibility. That is exactly how you assess credibility. You consider if their background makes it likely or unlikely that they would be reporting facts or lies."

Again, like Rush?

You people spew such sh1t, it's disgusting!

Liberal bloggers were sooo falling all over themselves over this story by Truthout this past weekend. I for one was having a lot of fun just surfing around and reading their comments.
AubreyJ.........

Indictments are handed up, not down. Calm down.

Hmmmm.

Frankly I don't get this whole liberal obsession over Rove. He's not a genius, he's an idiot facing people who nominate Al Gore, John Kerry and Al Sharpton.

Really how much of a political genius do you have to be to face that bunch?

Here we are with a President who has stepped on his own crank so many times in the past 5 years that it's hard to imagine anyone conferring the title "genius" onto Karl Rove.

Rush is not a former cocaine addict, has never been arrested or convicted of grand larceny, has not tried to kill himself and while conservatism may be considered a mental disease by the left, I think you'll be hard pressed to prove Rush has battled "mental illness his whole lift". You seem to be projecting or perhaps you meant Kennedy congressman ? I found it hilarious that moonbats scream for Limbaugh's head for prescription drug problems but then heap nothing but praise on the Kennedy spawn for his "courage in addressing the his problems.".

Also, as for the guarantee ? Its not really a guarantee if there's no consequences of the guarantor- losing whats arguably left of Leopold's credibility cannot really be considered a true consequence.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the leaks that snared Leopold this last weekend were actually intentional leaks that were part of a sting put in place to discover where the leaks were coming from --- using -- and this is good part -- using the phone records the White House is obtaining through the recently-revealed AT&T provided data feeds?

Ok - this tin-foil hat is scratching my scalp so I will take it off now - but you know, in this day and age, I wouldn't be surprised....

He claims "24" hours...hmmm I take that to mean 3 business days which means Wed...we will see..by the way DeLay is leaving Congress when? Does anyone really believe Delay would be leaving simply because some bent prosecutor from Austin was after him? Is "The Hammer" leaving because he is afraid of MSM? The spin cycle only works until the machine breaks down.

Let's see..on Friday was the video of FBI going into a home of Goss's pick for #3 guy? Let's see did the Dukester have a menu for what it would cost to sell out our troops for defense contracts? A few real simple questions..Would someone like W. ever be elected without someone like Rove? When you are using Chainsaw politics are you ever going to go too far? Bush's nickname for Rove is "turdblossem." Would you, for whatever reason, suck up to a boss that called you (with affection of course)turdblossem?

Why is everyone on the left so geeked up over some old stories of cocaine use/abuse?

Isnt that Sandy Burglars body with Roves head spliced in? that atrocious tie looks familiar?

Karl Rove cannot be indicted because he is a minion of the dark lord. Everyone must join the republican party in the pits of hell!! All Hail Satan!!

For all you Rape-publicans who still support the Liar/leaker in chief; I have to wonder what it takes for you to see the light! If Bush, Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld gang raped your wife and children right in front of you would you still support them then? - I'll bet you would! Bend over suckers, you're getting screwed every day by your leaders and you don't even know it.

For all you Rape-publicans who still support the Liar/leaker in chief; I have to wonder what it takes for you to see the light! If Bush, Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld gang raped your wife and children right in front of you would you still support them then? - I'll bet you would! Bend over suckers, you're getting screwed every day by your leaders and you don't even know it.

Has anyone else thought about comparing Leopold with Jeff Gannon? I didn't follow either closely enough, but Gannon's past is apparently enough to taint anything remotely journalistic he might ever do, while Leopold's far more criminal and destructive past is now to be considered irrelevant, and bringing it up is "destructive" and "mean-spirited" and a few other things...

J.