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Madeleine Albright: Bush's Faith Worrying

So, when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad makes bold proclaimations of his Islamic faith, which includes the destruction of Israel, Madeleine Albright doesn't say much. However, when President Bush makes public references of his faith, Ms. Albright feels the need to speak up. Try to figure out this one:

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- U.S. President George W. Bush has alienated Muslims around the world by using absolutist Christian rhetoric to discuss foreign policy issues, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright says.


"I worked for two presidents who were men of faith, and they did not make their religious views part of American policy," she said, referring to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, both Democrats and Christians.

"President Bush's certitude about what he believes in, and the division between good and evil, is, I think, different," said Albright, who has just published a book on religion and world affairs. "The absolute truth is what makes Bush so worrying to some of us."

Bush, a Republican, has openly acknowledged his Christian faith informs his decisions as president. He says, for example, that he prayed to God for guidance before invading Iraq.

Some Muslims have accused him of waging a crusade against Islam, comparable with those of the Middle Ages. The White House says it has nothing against Islam, but against those who commit terrorist atrocities in its name.

But Albright says Bush's religious absolutism has made U.S. foreign policy "more rigid and more difficult for other countries to accept."

Thank God Secretary Albright is no longer involved in the governing of this country.


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Albright's complaint is a v... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Albright's complaint is a valid complaint. The United States used to be among the leading world "problem solvers". Now, under the mis-leadership of the Republicans in Washington, we've been reduced to the same kind of one-dimensional messianic, "maniac-like" religious posturing you expect to see from a third-world power.

The fact that Bush believes God is working through him and informing his decisions to go to war is fanning the Islamic hatred of the U.S., and increasing the likelihood of more terrorist attacks inside of our borders. I thought Bush lead us into a war on terrorism, not a war on Islamic fundemantalism. My Bad....

I'm not suggesting that Bush has to suppress his beliefs, but the United States has managed to avoid starting WW3 to date through the discplined use of diplomacy and detente. Bush's child-like saber rattling and religious posturing greatly lessens that possibility of that continuing. Clinton came close to a lasting peace is the Middle-East. Bush doesn't have a clue as how to accomplish that, and his cross-waving is an indication that he isn't reaching for a clue either.

Our opponents look at us a great and powerful nation that has always been tempered by a sense of fairness, justice, and equal rights. We come off as a much "less-principaled" world player when we appear as relgious cruisaders out to conquer others, as Bush's posturing no doubt appears to opposing religious fundamentalists.

Albright's frustration is understandable, but then, so is her desire to sell more books.

To be honest, I'm tired of ... (Below threshold)
jp2:

To be honest, I'm tired of the whole "selling books" defense. It's a real easy excuse to avoid actually addressing important points.

I think anyone who feels the rapture is coming soon and time is fleeting and god is working through them to make crucial decisions about war should be laughed out of politics completely. Strange times.

Lord Lee, you hit the nail ... (Below threshold)

Lord Lee, you hit the nail on the head. Since W entered office we've been training/brainwashing folks to infiltrate Muslim countries world-wide and physically destroy their societies without regard to the propriety or the Geneva Convention. This religious extremism and fundamentalism threatens our very way of life and the survival of the world, not to mention that it also causes Global Warming. He destroyed all the advances that appeasement and tolerance had brought us.

Let's crucify him before he does more harm!

Because we looked so fair a... (Below threshold)
scsiwuzzy:

Because we looked so fair and just during Vietnam, the Bay of Pigs, Grenada, Kosovo etc. America was never, ever viewed as the 800 lb gorilla until it elected George Wermacht Boosh.

As for the Rapture... when did Pres. Bush ever invoke it or the end times?

Man says he loks to his faith for guidance, and is a Republican, and that makes him a zealot...
Way to keep an open mind and judge on facts... not.

"He destroyed all the advan... (Below threshold)

"He destroyed all the advances that appeasement and tolerance had brought us."

...and those advances are what, exactly?

I can't seem to find any actual ones. Maybe you have one or two in mind?

You know, from back in the days of the "beloved" Clinton administration, when US warships were attacked in ports, US soldiers were masssacred during peacekeeping operations, foreign civilians were bombed in Eastern Europe, and bin Laden laid his plans and trained his men to attack the US (mostly before Bush was even the nominee from his party).

Even in the days after the 9/11 attacks, when people pretend there was an upsurge of "support," there were many people in the world telling us we "deserved" the attacks, even though our current President hadn't done anything, in your terms, to "deserve" that hate.

The big trigger for that "loss of support" has been people like yourself, who are trying so very hard to pretend that their hatred of Bush comes from some sort of rational process, even down to the point of pretending that he's some sort of mad evangelical millenialist, even worse than the mad mullahs who want to commit genocide on the Israelis and enslave everyone else on the planet who won't submit.

"Clinton came close to a la... (Below threshold)
CMD:

"Clinton came close to a lasting peace in the Middle East."

Yes, once the ME was rendered judenrein by Hamas (after a lot of anguished 'I feel your pain' posturing by that syphilitic hillbilly Clinton, there would have been plenty of peace, wouldn't there? Too bad those nasty Jews don't understand the benefits of the peace of the grave. . .

Lee, I'm sorry, but anyone ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Lee, I'm sorry, but anyone who tells me that Clinton came close to establishing a lasting peace in the Middle East can't be taken too seriously.

So, when Mahmoud Ahmadin... (Below threshold)
mantis:

So, when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad makes bold proclaimations of his Islamic faith, which includes the destruction of Israel, Madeleine Albright doesn't say much. However, when President Bush makes public references of his faith, Ms. Albright feels the need to speak up.

I forget, which country does Albright get to vote in? Oh yeah, this one.

I don't have a lot of opinions concerning the religion of the President of Burundi, does that mean I can't have an opinion on how my own President's religion influences policy?

Don't get me wrong, disagree with Albright all you want, but to say she's hypocritical for not being publicly worried about the religion of every world leader (that you know of) is just plain stupid.

"I forget, which country do... (Below threshold)

"I forget, which country does Albright get to vote in? Oh yeah, this one."

...and you also forgot what her resume looks like.

When you're being interviewed about politics, and you have some experience in the international version of same, touting an inaccurate description of the faith of George Bush while ignoring the fanatics from other countries is more than a little ingenuous.

Madge: Be a little more wor... (Below threshold)

Madge: Be a little more worried about the Muslim faithful

I trust Hillary will be serious about foreign policy and pass you over

When you're being interv... (Below threshold)
mantis:

When you're being interviewed about politics, and you have some experience in the international version of same, touting an inaccurate description of the faith of George Bush while ignoring the fanatics from other countries is more than a little ingenuous.

First, Albright does not ignore the "fanatics from other countries". Second, point to the "innacurate description" of the President's faith, please.

"First, Albright does not i... (Below threshold)

"First, Albright does not ignore the 'fanatics from other countries'."

...except that she did, in this case.

Second, the idea that he's a wild-eyed millenialist is pretty much made-up hokum, taken from some out-of-context quotes and a complete misunderstanding of how modern Christian evangelists think and act.

He attends services at St. John's Episcopal Church (not exactly a hotbed of crazy-type Christianity), but is more aligned with the Methodist Church (apparently, St. John's is his current choice because of its proximity to the White House).

Methodists, by and large, aren't known for their hard belief in the End Times, and are generally considered to be one of the more liberal churches. A minister told me "I don't belong to an organized religion, I'm a Methodist."

Yeah, no president prior to... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Yeah, no president prior to George W. Bush has EVER relied upon prayer to the Almighty for guidance, strength and wisdom in times of crisis. I mean, whoever saw Washington or Jefferson or Lincoln or Grant or Roosevelt or Wilson or FDR or Truman or Nixon or Reagan get down on his knees and pray for strength, or maybe even forgiveness of having to send young men and women off to their possible deaths? No, they were perfectly fine in their secular little worlds relying on nothing but themselves and their political advisors and cabinet members for spiritual guidance and support. Sure, they were enough. Yes, those presidents did just fine without God--He never played a role in their decisions. Why? Because they knew people would raise a fuss, they knew the separation of church and state was so enormously important that it superseded everything else, including the love and guidance of God. So why can't George W. Bush make that distinction? He's definitely stupid for praying to some character we can't even see! How dumb is that? What rational person would pray to, well, nothing?

I can totally see the reasonableness in this line of thinking.

"Do you suppose... (Below threshold)
Langtry:
"Do you suppose the Bush administration has Osama bin Laden hidden away somewhere and will bring him out before the election?"

-Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in Fox News Green Room conversation with Morton Kondrake

What a petty, partisan, pusilanimous little witch Madeleine Not-too-bright is. She has given up all pretense of objectivity in order to score political points, and she's been doing so for years.

Cirby is correct. In all my... (Below threshold)

Cirby is correct. In all my life I never heard Methodism described as radical, extreme or dangerous -- until George W. Bush became president.

"Do you suppo... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Do you suppose the Bush administration has Osama bin Laden hidden away somewhere and will bring him out before the election?"

I'd love to see poll results that showed how many Americans would answer "yes" or "possibly" to that question. This country has sunk so low under Republican "rule" that I bet the poll results would be shockingly skewed towards believing that our president lies to the public.

"This country has sunk so l... (Below threshold)

"This country has sunk so low under Republican 'rule'"

...and yet, the vast majority of what you seem to think is "sinking" comes from things like "Bush, the crazy fundamentalist Methodist."

I think the problem isn't that the country is doing worse (the economy is doing great by pretty much every real standard, for example). it's that folks like you keep telling everyone in sight that up is down...

I don't call her Madeleine ... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

I don't call her Madeleine Notsobright for nothing.
Her and Warren 'the chipmunk' Christopher led US foreign policy off the cliff of sanity in the 90's and the State Department still hasn't figured out which side to be on since.

The Left will do everything... (Below threshold)

The Left will do everything in its power, slander and deceit not excluded, to discourage Christians from seeking public office, and to defame and defeat those who somehow make it through the gauntlet. The very idea that there are absolute standards of right and wrong that no legislature can repeal and no court can strike down offends them mortally. How much worse that the President of the United States should believe such a thing!

Ironically, if there's anything one could name that's likeliest to have sustained the president through the trials of his tenure, including the ceaseless attacks on him both as an executive and as a person, it would have to be his ardent Christianity. Millions of us pray for him, and he knows that.

Albright has never been particularly impressive in any way, but it saddens me that someone who reached the Cabinet should have so little taste and even less good sense.

"Do you suppose the Bush ad... (Below threshold)
John S:

"Do you suppose the Bush administration has Osama bin Laden hidden away somewhere and will bring him out before the election?"

Well, you know, OBL did that video endorsing Kerry for President three days before the election. Karl Rove couldn't have timed that one better.

Cirby wrote: ...and yet,... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Cirby wrote: ...and yet, the vast majority of what you seem to think is "sinking" comes from things like "Bush, the crazy fundamentalist Methodist."

The vast majority? Hardly - this thread is the first place I'd ever seen the term used. My guess is you will only find Bush apologists using that term.

No, My concern and the concern of many Americans, lies with the religious crusade Bush as launched against Islamic nations under the guise of a "war on terror" - irregardless of the church Bush attends.

In fact, speaking of the Methodist Church, - the United Methodist Church came out against Bush, Cheny, and the war.

www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?pid=31572

Last week, the United Methodist Church Board of Church and Society--the social action committee of the church that both President Bush and Vice President Cheney belong to--resoundingly passed a resolution calling for withdrawal with only two 'no' votes and one abstention.

"As people of faith, we raise our voice in protest against the tragedy of the unjust war in Iraq," the statement read. "Thousands of lives have been lost and hundreds of billions of dollars wasted in a war the United States initiated and should never have fought.... We grieve for all those whose lives have been lost or destroyed in this needless and avoidable tragedy. Military families have suffered undue hardship from prolonged troop rotations in Iraq and loss of loved ones. It is time to bring them home."

Cirby continued: I think the problem isn't that the country is doing worse (the economy is doing great by pretty much every real standard, for example). it's that folks like you keep telling everyone in sight that up is down...

I don't see anyone bad talking the economy recently, but I see a lot of people concerned over the inflationary effects of the high cost of gasoline. Going forward, the economy may be in for some really hard times.

So, Lee, how can you say th... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

So, Lee, how can you say that Albright's worries about Bush's "fundamentalism" (of course, ignoring that her boss invoked God far more often --- but we weren't supposed to believe he really believed in God) are justified since the Church opposes him?
-=Mike

Thanks for your insane opin... (Below threshold)
virgo:

Thanks for your insane opinion Ms Unbright!Your views however carry 0 weight in the world we live in. next time keep them to yourself.

"No, My concern and the con... (Below threshold)

"No, My concern and the concern of many Americans, lies with the religious crusade Bush as launched against Islamic nations under the guise of a 'war on terror' - irregardless of the church Bush attends."

Characterizing the war in Iraq as a "crusade" is pretty much the same as the false accusation of crazy fundamentalism.

"I don't see anyone bad talking the economy recently"

From 11 days ago, you said:

"well, this explains today's plummeting Dow Jones average... the Republicans are telling us we have nothing to worry about -- THAT MEANS ITS TIME TO PANIC!!!!"

So you don't see anyone bad talking the economy other than yourself?


So, Lee, how can you say... (Below threshold)
Lee:

So, Lee, how can you say that Albright's worries about Bush's "fundamentalism" (of course, ignoring that her boss invoked God far more often --- but we weren't supposed to believe he really believed in God) are justified since the Church opposes him?
-=Mike

Good question Mike - Since the church Bush attends has in effect told him he's wrong about the religious war he's started, I guess what keeps George's faith going is the knowledge that he has a direct line to the Almighty - that God is working miracles through him?

Pass the tin foil, quickly - there's a presidential emergency....

You tell me Mike -- I can't say I understand GW's stance that his decisions are informed by God when his own church speaks out against his actions vis a vis Iraq.

Only a leftist like Albrigh... (Below threshold)
DOUG BOOK:

Only a leftist like Albright could refer to Bill Clinton as a man of faith and manage to keep a straight face. And had Jimmah done a little more praying, perhaps divine guidance would have alerted him to the extraordinary danger inherent in turning Iran over to a psycho like the Khomeini. Imagine for a moment what a different world this would be with an honest national media. Left-wing politicos might actually have to think before engaging in the silly, shameless prattle with which we are besieged on a daily basis. And the Constitution might even still be in effect.

cirby:I said: "... (Below threshold)
Lee:

cirby:

I said: "well, this explains today's plummeting Dow Jones average... the Republicans are telling us we have nothing to worry about -- THAT MEANS ITS TIME TO PANIC!!!!"

and you replied: "So you don't see anyone bad talking the economy other than yourself?

First off, I don't see anyone bad mouthing the economy (period) including myself. Lamenting the DJI plunge of last week is not bad talking the economy. You can have a down market in a up economy and vice versa.

Meanwhile, the Dow Jones meltdown last week was a mini-panic of sorts. I didn't start it Cirby - I swear - it isn't my fault, although once the economy does indeed turn south I'm sure you will be back to tell ius that it's the left's fault.

The run up in the price of gold and the recent instability of the stock market are early indicators of a possible future economic downturn, imho. Mainly, they speak of a fear of inflation.

Me pointing out that at the same time conservative bloggers are slapping themselves happy over the economy - while the dow jones and other market indicators, and more importantly perhaps commodity prices and interest rates, are all indicating bad news may lie ahead, is not contradictory. In fact, it was spot on reporting.

Seriously, the economy may have turned a corner for the worse in the last month or so, just as conservative bloggers went silly saying that anyone who bad mouths the economy is wrong. As I said, ...the Republicans are telling us we have nothing to worry about -- THAT MEANS ITS TIME TO PANIC!!!! and I still stand by that statement. Bookmark this comment - I'd be happy to revisit the question in 6 months and we can see if the economy has gotten better, stayed the same, or gotten worse, under the next 6 months of Republican leadership.

"The Senators and Represent... (Below threshold)

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States"

So, Albright is repudiating the oath she once took to support the Constitution and now believes that, contrary to the Constitution, a religious test should be applied to George W. Bush (but only to him?). What hypocrisy!

"Lamenting the DJI plunge o... (Below threshold)

"Lamenting the DJI plunge of last week is not bad talking the economy."

Um yeah, it really is.

Why is it when these moonba... (Below threshold)
kaos:

Why is it when these moonbats spout off against the country, CIC or something they don't like about evil Amerikkka, they don't have the balls to do it in the States? Chicken shits.

She is a complete nutjob!</... (Below threshold)
UncleZeb:

She is a complete nutjob!

Hmmm.Does anyone r... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

Does anyone really believe Madeline Albright doesn't have her head up her ass?

C.f. North Korea.

"The Left will do everythin... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"The Left will do everything in its power, slander and deceit not excluded, to discourage Christians from seeking public office"

lol

I know, they are so under-represented in Congress. Wait - wait - how many are Bible followers in Congress? My guess is 100%.

The picture of her dancing ... (Below threshold)
MarkD:

The picture of her dancing with Kim told me everything I need to know about her. Her opinions are almost as worthless as those of Jimmy Carter.

jp2:"Bible Followe... (Below threshold)
JB:

jp2:

"Bible Followers"?

Is that like nominal Christians+Jews?

Can you be a "bible follower" while advocating legalized, on-demand "it's a choice" abortion and gay marriage?

The manner of following the Bible is "a choice" too, I guess -- to the point where the expression loses its meaning.

Cirby wins the tinhat award... (Below threshold)

Cirby wins the tinhat award for failing to recognize my sarcastic satire, so eminently pre-empting the moonbattery that followed.

Sorry, epador, but you can'... (Below threshold)

Sorry, epador, but you can't preempt moonbattery, and your comment wasn't extreme enough to be any funnier than the ones they normally make here.




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