He already signed that form in 04. Get informed!!!

Oh...that's right, you'd rather continue to buy the pretence that the media and the liars gave out.

I have the answer to your puzzle:

He's an idiot.

Really, Heidi? As I understand it, he signed a very restricted version of the form, releasing the records to historian Douglas Brinkley, a Boston Globe reporter (who wrote Kerry's official campaign biography), and one reporter from the LA Times.

Of course, I'm sure you'll prove me wrong and show that Kerry released his records for any and all to see by providing a link to the complete records, because SOMEONE must have found them and put them online...

BTW, Kerry is on record as telling Tim Russert on January 30, 2005 (that's after 2004, by the way) that he WILL sign the form. By my reckoning, that means that he had NOT signed it before then. And he has yet to keep THAT promise.

(video clip: http://treyjackson.typepad.com/junction/2005/04/video_kerryyes_.html)

J.

I want to point out that you have no idea if Kerry's lawyers are silently pursuing a lawsuit or not. Sometimes things don't happen on the fast track and there are numerous things that happen behind the scenes.

Next, the fact that supporters are archiving the facts and releasing them show the very foundation of a lawsuit is being built.

You can not just say, "Waaaaahhhh, they lied." without proof. Kerry and his supporters are clearly gathering that proof and preparing to nail those liars to the wall. AFTER and only after proof is gathered, and proof that will stand up in a court of law, can John Kerry sue those liars for every cent they have.

Next, are you upset about the NSA spying and the illegal wiretapping? What about those looneys who say, "If you've done nothing wrong, then you shouldn't be afraid to be wiretapped." It's an incorrect philosophy isn't it? Even if you've done nothing wrong you should NOT have to give up your privacy to people who just want to invade it. But I see you don't mind telling Kerry that he should give up his privacy because someone illegally smeared his name. It's the same thing. All of us deserve to have our private health records, private school records, and privacy in our own house and name.

Take for example a friend of mine...She has some kids in high school. We know that the NCLB is sending private academic records to the military to try to get the smarter ones to enlist or join the academy. This family can tell which student was more 'valuable' to the recruiters by the amount of military spam coming to their mail box. What right does some private recruiting firm have to any of their childrens' school records? Why should they have access? Isn't it private?

I believe your response is the same as those military recruiters who believe they should 'of course have access to any student's records they want!" And you think any media should have access to John Kerry's and all soldiers' private folders because if JK has to give his up, you've made it allowable for every US military person obligated to give up their privacy as well. Yet, in these examples not one of these people have done anything wrong that would warrent giving up their privacy.

The bigger question that should be asked isn't why JK should or shouldn't release military records when he was honorably discharged is more to the point if someone else with a drug history like George Bush comes up, should we have access to all their court records, particularly any criminal procedures or plead deals.

JK has been an honest, honorable, decent, hardworking soldier, prosecutor, Congressman, and Presidential candidate. Yet the media and the Swifties attempted to take him down. On the other hand, someone with Bush's drug and alcohol abuse and possible AWOL from the military (as well as his abominable business record was ignored and his horrible tenure as Texas governor was ignored too.)

All of THAT, my friend, is more of what you need to concern yourself with. Not whether JK sues or signs a form.

ZZ, there's actual serious question about whether Kerry originally did receive an honorable discharge -- the facts simply don't seem to add up.

And why do you give Kerry the benefit of so much doubt, while giving Bush absolutely none? There is far more evidence (well, once you discount the flagrant forgeries) that Kerry was dishonorably discharged than Bush was ever AWOL.

But that again brings me back to my main point: besides BCCI (which I gave you), what has Kerry done since Viet Nam to earn him praise?

The rest of your rantings are simple attempts to change the subject.

Fact: Kerry promised repeatedly to make all his records public.
Fact: Kerry has yet to do so.
Fact: Kerry has based his appeal almost entirely on his Viet Nam record.
Fact: Kerry refuses to let the American people see that full record, so we can judge for ourselves.

J.

(Fixing this sentence: "The bigger question that should be asked isn't why JK should or shouldn't release military records when he was honorably discharged is more to the point if someone else with a drug history like George Bush comes up, should we have access to all their court records, particularly any criminal procedures or plead deals.")

The better question to ask is how we can demand those types of records from future candidates who have the same type of criminal & military history as GWB has. We need to clamp down on GWB-like frauds rather than pick on ones like John Kerry who are basically honorable men.

zz revolution my ass. You like the failed minority democrats are a complete lying fraud. The exact opposite of what you believe is in fact true. Why not look at what we in fact know to be true? You prefer the democrat perpetual fraud as apposed to in your face reality and truth in fact. It doesn't matter how many democrats repeat the same lie , it's still a lie . And the minority democrat party is greatest fraud known to man and becomes clearer with every day and every time a democrat opens their lying mouths. You just can't resist.

Jay Tea,

There was no rant. Furthermore, I can see by your comment that your interest is in continueing the smear instead of a real conversation about what all military soldiers deserve as well as future candidates of any party.

Frankly, this issue isn't solely about Kerry/Bush. It goes to the very heart of every person who serves and who may decide to run for public office. Should people like the Swift Boat Liars for Bush be allowed to randomly smear their opponent and should people be forced to give up their privacy in order to run for public office? Frankly, this affects both partys and lots of terrific, caring people are refusing to run because they see the invasion of privacy and the lies and swiftboating (smearing) as a problem for their own emotional well-being as well as for the well being of their family.

Next...topic changed from Kerry's alleged honorable discharged which was actually released to the press and is available on the web and is officially signed by superiors...so where's those believable discharges from Bush? We already know for a fact that the neoConservatives like Frist, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc were too chicken to enlist when they were young men.

Rob...

Wow! What an intellegent rant. It's because of people like you that I actually turned off fox news and actually picked up newspapers and books to learn more.

ZZ, your assertion about the necessity of gathering the facts before you sue is pure nonsense. He doesn't have to "gather" the facts -- he supposedly already has them. He won't sue SBVT because that would submit HIM to the discovery process, compelling him to produce things under court order that he has so far refused to reveal. He wants to pursue this battle in the press, where he knows he will not be subjected to the same exacting standard of proof that he would be able to demand of SBVT.

And besides -- typically the statute of limitations on the tort of slander is THREE YEARS. So he's had this remedy at his disposal all this time, and he doesn't appear sanguine about using it. I wonder why.

Posted by: Rob in LA Ca.

perpetual fraud....? Not by Dems!

Cunningham (Republican)
Delay (Republican)
Abramhoff (Republican)
Ney (Republican)
Noe (Republican)
Cheney (Republican)
Rove (Republican)
Novak (Republican)
Libby (Republican)
Harris (Republican)
Lay (Republican)

Just a partial list of current Republicans under prosecutorial investigation and/or indictments soon to be serving time in a stinky jail cell.

Posted by: wavemaker at May 29, 2006 09:07 AM

Three years? Thanks for that info. I didn't realize that. But, I can still add. This is 2006...the event happened beginning in August 2004. So that tells me he's got at least one more year to sue them.

But, the smearing still continues so is there an end in site? If not, then it sounds to me like he'd have unlimited time to take it to court. Because each time they bring a new false-charge there is another three years from which he can sue them.

Regardless...he was smeared in a public forum by the media and websites like this, so if he wants to clear his name in the same fashion, who are we to complain? It's not our name that was smeared and libelled.

wavemaker,

I'm not a lawyer, but you can bet your last dime on the fact that IF I were to represent you, I'd gather every last fact I could so I could present my strongest case, period!

Just because he's a public official doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to gather the strongest evidence and material to make the best case in his court of law.

"Should people like the Swift Boat Liars for Bush be allowed to randomly smear their opponent"

There is no answer to this false statement just like their is no answer from the democrats when they are caught lying. They run and change the subject like you have because you are a fraud and a typical democrat cry baby. You think you could walk up and down the beach and sell sand. That is how dumb or damaged your brain is.

Your sexual deviant failed disbarred and impeached ex-president was not only a cowardly admitted draft dodger , the stupid hill billy didn't even know how to smoke pot correctly but he had his fun with many a coke whore.

"Frist, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc were too chicken to enlist when they were young men"

This is just more proof you have got your head so far up someone elses behind you don't jack sh*t.

I just want to add that if you were John Kerry, you would deserve that too. All of my comments are pertaining to the individual rights that we deserve as much as a public servant like John Kerry deserves too.

We all deserve privacy, fair representation, and to be free of slander & libel. Should we chose to go to court, we deserve to have our day in court with the best evidence we can gather in the time we're allowed.

Do not put burdens on John Kerry because he's a Democrat that you would not want on yourself because in the end you end up destroying the very things you treasure.

Posted by: Rob in LA Ca. at May 29, 2006 09:18 AM

Excuse me Rob, but your comments are actually more harmful to the people in this site who are trying to discuss this rationally. You'd be better off signing off. You are only hurting your cause.

Rob:

Who served?

Prominent Democrats
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)

Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.

Prominent Republicans
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)

Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

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Here are a few more...

Democrats
Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII.
Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.)
Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine)
Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953
Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.
Republicans/Conservatives
Political
Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1)
Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2)
Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve. (1)
Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2)
Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, (formerly) fifth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. (1)
Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, sixth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve.
Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism)
Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2)
Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years - source)
Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2)
Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America)
Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2)
Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2)
Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?)
Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1)
Rudy Giuliani, did not serve (1, 2)
Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2)
George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2)
Spencer Abraham, did not serve
John Engler, did not serve (1, 2)
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1)
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service.
Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1)
Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve (1)
Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competition
George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Awarded Navy Cross. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone survivor out of airplane (link).
Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1)
(don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy)
Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China.
Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy 1945-1946 as a RM3; reenlisted in the USMC 1950, 10 years service in Marine Corps Reserve, retired as Captain.
Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989
Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII
Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served.

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Fighting Democrats

Back from the front lines, and headed for Congress in 2006. Why are almost all the veterans coming home from Iraq running as Democrats?

Paul Hackett - U.S. Senate - Ohio
Website: www.hackettforohio.com
Charles Brown - California 4th District - 26-year career in USAF; jet and helicopter pilot; recently retired as Lt. Colonel
Website: http://www.charliebrownforcongress.org
Patrick Murphy - Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District
Website: www.murphy06.com
Bryan Lentz - Pennslyvania's 7th Congressional District
Website: www.lentzforcongress.com
David Harris - Texas 6th Congressional District
Website: http://followmetodc.com/
David Ashe - Virginia's 2nd Congressional District
Website: http://www.davidasheforcongress.com/
Andrew Duck - Maryland 6th Congressional District
Website at http://duckforcongress.org
Eric Massa - New York's 29th District
Website: www.massaforcongress.com
Tim Dunn - North Carolina's 8th Congressional District
Website: www.dunnforcongress.com
Check out the Band of Brothers 2006, as well their candidates page, for a good list of veterans running for Congress in 2006, such as:

Karen Marie Otter, US Army 1983-1985, California's 52nd District
www.otterforcongress.com
Phil Avillo, lengthy career as a US Marine, Pennsylvania's 19th District
www.avilloforcongress.com

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Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online)
George Will, did not serve
Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
Paul Gigot, did not serve.
Bill Bennett, Did not serve
Pat Buchanan, did not serve
Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.])
Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji
John Wayne, did not serve
Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."
Bill Kristol, did not serve
Sean Hannity, did not serve.
Kenneth Starr, did not serve
Antonin Scalia, did not serve
Clarence Thomas, did not serve
Ralph Reed, did not serve
Michael Medved, did not serve
Charlie Daniels, did not serve
Ted Nugent, did not serve
Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve. (1)
Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve.
Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served.
Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him some tough questions.
James Carville, a.k.a. "Corporal Cueball" - Served in the United States Marine Corps, 1966-'68. (1)
Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. "Kos" (leading liberal blogger) - Served in the United States Army, 1989-'92. (1)
Independents
Gov. Jesse Ventura, U.S. Navy SEAL training, did UDT work
Senator Jim Jeffords, U.S. Navy 1956-1959

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And let's not forget the Coast Guard...

The brave men and women of the United States Coast Guard risk their lives every day to protect our nation and save thousands of lives every year. The Coast Guard is in fact a branch of the United States Armed Forces.

Congressman Gene Taylor (D-MI) served in the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve from 1971-1984. http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/biography.htm
Congressman Howard Coble (R-NC) served in the U.S. Coast Guard (Active Duty)for 5.5 years. Served in the CG Reserve for 18 years. http://coble.house.gov/biography/
William Delahunt (D-MA) served in the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve from 1963-1971 http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/faqs/William_Delahunt.html

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About the National Guard Today
Dear Friends:

Having been a reservist and now in a state defense force serving with Guard in my state, I wanted to ask you to clarify for the masses the HUGE difference between the National Guard during the Vietnam War and today. After the establishment of the All Volunteer Force in 1976, the reserves and Guard became a major source for deployment. More than 40 % of the Army's combat arms units are NG. In fact, a big chunk of the folks who have served in Bosnia/Kosovo are reserve and Guard. The same is true of deployments to the Gulf in recent times.

The Guard and Reserve are no longer a haven for those who wish to dodge hazardous service. Hope you can make that clear to folks who might not otherwise understand and respect the volunteers in the reserve services today. It might be interesting to how many of the sons and daughters of politicians are serving in ANY capacity. Ahem. CPT B

Couldn't have said it any better...

List of Present (108th) Senators Who Have Served

The New Hampshire Gazette's Chickenhawk database

Complete list - members of the 106th Congress with Military Service. Why is the Republican leadership so top-heavy with Chickenhawks??

In response to NewsMax's "Deck of Weasels"...check out the Deck of Republican Chickenhawks!

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Got other names to submit? Please let us know about heroes or chickenhawks, on either side of the aisle. (Hey, do your homework and include a link with any name you send us, OK?)

Re military personnel and public perception of Democrats v. Republicans in general.

How often must Democrats defend their party against the typical freeper blather of draft-dodging, service-evading, unpatriotic cowards among us? More often than we have to.

Gore was right all along. About some things. The "truth" IS on our side.

Or, as www.rackjite.com puts it:

THE CHICKENHAWKS "Conservatives make great fun of President Clinton for questioning the Vietnam War, standing up to his beliefs and questioning his own participation in that war as well, i.e., being honest and walking the walk of his own belief system [and then giving up his student deferment to subject himself to the draft!]. On the other hand there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly right-wing loonies who supported the war while refusing to personally participate."

Who served?

Prominent Republicans
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)

Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

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VIETNAM VETERANS REACT TO JOHN KERRY LEGAL DEFENSE FUND

WASHINGTON,D.C., March 27, 2005 -- "Vietnam veterans will not be intimidated by the likes of John Kerry," retired Air Force Col. George "Bud" Day said today, responding to news the Massachusetts Senator had created a legal defense trust fund to pay his on-going court battles against a group of highly decorated Vietnam veterans. "No matter how much money Kerry raises he can't buy his way out or hide his disgraceful betrayal of those brave veterans who gave their all in the service of America."
Col. Day added: "I'm sure he (Sen. Kerry) has many rich, veteran-hating friends. Maybe Hanoi Jane (Fonda) will pick up his legal bills. But, he's not exactly penniless. Why one of the wealthiest men in the Senate would expect others to pay his lawyers and use questionable Senate privileges against veterans he's wronged is shameful. Like everything about this character, it's phony, deceitful, and a sham."

Col. Day is the Chairman of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation (VVLF), a group of Vietnam combat veterans, primarily former POWs, who sued Sen. Kerry last year for "conspiracy and defamation" in Philadelphia Federal Court. Col. Day is the most decorated Air Force veteran alive, a Medal of Honor recipient, a veteran of three wars and a former POW held captive by Vietnamese Communists for over five years.

Sen. Kerry recently filed formal papers with the U.S. Senate creating a "legal expense trust fund" specifically to handle costs associated with his defense of a lawsuit brought by the POWs and other Vietnam veterans. Ironically, the account is named "Fund for Truth and Honor."

"That's his way of mocking us and all Vietnam veterans," Col. Day remarked. "The concepts of truth and honor are utterly foreign to him. He's forced to plagiarize our words."

The veteran's lawsuit against Sen. Kerry stems from his failed 2004 presidential bid when the Kerry/Edwards campaign tried to prevent a documentary about Kerry's 1971 anti-war activities, including his collaboration with the Vietnamese Communists, from being broadcast or even shown in theaters.

That film, "Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal," included interviews with Col. Day and several other Vietnam POWs held in the notorious Hanoi Hilton prison camp in 1971. That is when then Lt. Kerry publicly denounced Vietnam veterans as "war criminals" before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Those accusations, the POWs said, were not only false but threatened their survival and lengthened their captivity in the hands of the Communists who had already beaten, tortured and even murdered many American POWs.

Shortly after the documentary's release in September 2004, Kerry campaign aides sued the producer of "Stolen Honor," Carlton Sherwood, a Pulitzer Prize and Peabody Award-winning journalist and a thrice-wounded, decorated, Marine Vietnam veteran. The Kerry/Edwards campaign followed the lawsuits with an all-out assault on the Sinclair Broadcasting Company which had announced plans to air the documentary. Sinclair quickly became the target of Kerry campaign-inspired ad boycotts, stockholder's rebellions and calls for FCC and FEC investigations by Kerry and 18 other liberal Democrat Senators. Under mounting political and financial pressures, Sinclair eventually dropped it's planned airing.

In August, 2005 another Kerry campaign supporter filed a similar lawsuit against Carlton Sherwood, Producer of "Stolen Honor". At that same time, the VVLF POWs and one of their wives were also sued by the two Kerry campaign workers. Both lawsuits claim that Sherwood and the POWs "libeled" Kerry and other unnamed Vietnam veterans by questioning whether they witnessed or participated in "war crimes and atrocities" in Vietnam.

In response to the new lawsuits, the VVLF POWs and Sherwood filed a "conspiracy defamation" lawsuit against Sen. Kerry and one of his top campaign aides, Anthony Podesta, last October. That suit charges Kerry and his campaign with scheming to censor "Stolen Honor," attempting to cover up and prevent the American public from hearing Kerry's true anti-war history and the consequences his actions had on POWs and other Vietnam veterans.

"We could not stand by while John Kerry used his underlings to sue us into silence," Col Day explained. "We could not allow this man to keep his hands clean while his surrogates did the dirty work for him, suing me and my fellow POWs and even their wives, because we dared speak the truth about him."

Col. Day continued, "We didn't ask for this fight any more than we wanted to be drawn into the 2004 presidential election. John Kerry brought it on himself then, and, now, he forces us to fight back again. Our (the VVLF's) sole mission is to set the record straight about Vietnam, factually, and to preserve the honor and integrity of those who served there. Kerry's life-long goal has been to belittle and disgrace the sacrifices of Vietnam veterans and, now, he's at it again, calling our men and women in uniform 'terrorists'."

"It's time he is held accountable for his smears. It's time he is forced to stand in the dock and made to face those who he has accused, falsely, of the most vile acts. It's time America sees this little man for who he really is, and the great harm he has done to so many brave soldiers."

"We look forward to the day when we can finally put an end to John Kerry's four decade war on veterans."

For more information on Col. Day, the VVLF and the Kerry lawsuits, please go to www.vvlf.org.

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- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
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This all by one miserable individual not to mention all the current democrat corruption.

Your such a pathetic fraud all I can do is laugh at your partial wish list. You wish so bad that the repubicans could in million years even be remotely corrupt as your criminal democrat party. Who are you trying to convince? I am a registered voting straight democrat of over 15 years but that all ended Nov.2 2004. and none of your lies are ever going to change the thousands of hours of research I have since put in to make myself aware of the facts. No one has ever said to me "vote Republican", that is a decision I made entirely on my own.

R.R. at 3DHS linked with "Kerry should sign Form 180, sue the swift vets, or STFU" http://www.debategate.com/forums/PIC/posts/336689.html

Ha HA, I am hurting my case because I'm not making one. It's your feelings that are getting hurt and your case being proven for what it and you are , a complete fraud. Why would so arrogantly assume that I'm cusing others harm when it's is only you that are incapable of dealing with reality and you think your going to get me to sign off? Ya right , it is just like your incompetant party its braindead supporters to try and silence those who speek the truth and expose them and are brutally honest when they do it.

You must be the newest paid peon in the democrats "SAY ANYTHING" and "DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO REGAIN POWER" last chance campaigne to keep up your failing perpetual fraud. Guess what? Your failing BIG TIME!

Posted by: Rob in LA Ca. at May 29, 2006 09:46 AM

The only list you didn't post was first White House Cheif of Staff, assistant to the Vice Prsident, and Assistant to the President under formal indictment.

USA v Scooter Libby

Other things you didn't list:

The ongoing investigation into the Treason that happened in the George Bush and Dick Cheney White House.

Rove
Libby
Cheney
Bush

All under investigation.

Sorry...treason overrides seman on a blue dress.

P.S. Jay Tea...how come RR's links are up there but mine with actual facts have disappeared?

Posted by: Rob in LA Ca. at May 29, 2006 10:01 AM

Thanks Rob for all these rational thoughts you are posting. I'm sure all of your 'teammates' will be proud to have me share them with all the undecided voters out here.

Think about whose cause you're hurting with all your hate-filled name calling. And don't sign off. I was trying to help you and this site sound more reasonable but if you like to sound like that and you feel proud of your responses, then I'm happy to share them with people who wonder what your party has to offer.

You petulant little bed wettter, show some facts links proof of Treason you dumbass. Treason is a democrat way of life because they are traitors , liars and Un-American just like you. Thank you for proving that fact like your voting fraud , early and often .

Kerry is a self-admitted war criminal who has as much chance of being President as Ted murderer Kennedy or KKK Byrd does.