Heavens to Murthatroids cant this guy shut His big fat mouth for a while and let the truth be sought out? He is to Iraq what John Kerry was to Viet nam when He got back.

Murtha's voice was so disturbing on this - the enthusiastic tone that would convict the military as a whole, all the way to the top by default. Frightening.

About the incident - maybe it was the fault of the Marines in question, maybe it wasn't (or vice versa)...

...but in truly unheroic fashion, it's been stated that the military is guilty until proven innocent, and the women, children, kittens and baby ducks of Iraq innocent no matter what.

If Murtha is correct in his (very early) accusations does that make him any less of a politician?

As an aside, I'm wondering why the locals didn't run to Al-Jazerra with the story first. Just sayin'.

When will FOX news learn that millions automatically switch channels when Wesley Clark, the worst general to ever serves makes an appearance. I do every time, like tonight. I hate the whining loser.

Good ole Weasely Clark. You can count on him to back the wrong side of an issue. No wonder he was drummed out of the Army. Hell he did something that was a whole lot worse and it was broadcast on international tv. Yep folks, he is the one that supplied the armored equipment to take out the Branch Davidians. That is how he got the NATO command under Slick Willy. Too bad some Serb did not line him the crosshairs of his scope, we would have one less liberal to contend with.

The locals didn't run to Al-Jazerra right away because it took a couple of months for them to make up the 'big' story. Wonder how much help they got from Murtha, Hanoi John and Clark?

The really beautiful, juicy conclusion to draw from Murtha's incessant bomb-throwing is just this:

If and when any of these Marines is charged and brought to trial, they will each and every one be able to point at John Murtha, and truthfully and credibly argue before their court martial that because of Murtha's irresponsible, self-serving verbal diarrhea, a fair and impartial trial is impossible.

And they will be right.

Each time Murtha, or any of his fellow travelers, opens his mouth, the likelihood of a conviction shrinks.

So speak on, Congressman, and destroy the result you so desire.

Lets not forget the moonbat things O'REily said tonight as documented on Newsbusters.org, re: Iraq. that it was an "optional war" and could've been avoided and many other left wing talking points.

Once a final report comes out, we may have the real picture. A very real possibility, which I haven't seen in print, is that the civilians were killed by the insurgents and staged to look like the Marines did it. The propaganda and morale effects are devastating, aren't they, if indeed this is what happened? If so, the folks who have allowed themselves to be played like a Stradivarius by these thugs will be willing accomplices to the enemy. If not, and our folks did bad things, the failure to take precaution in public statements before final reports are out is just as irresponsible.

Anybody know how Murtha is doing in his House race? Any chance for him to be defeated?

JP -- I missed O'Reilly's other segments, but am not surprised to hear what he said. He has been incredibly unfair to the President and the military in his characterization of the war in Iraq. He has gone on many talk shows, like Letterman, the View, etc. and gone on and on about what a terrible disaster Iraq has been. When he starts talking like that, I do the same thing I do when he says the gas companies are all to blame for high gas prices -- tune him out.

I think the red cross or u.n. should inevestigate all these type of incidents. The military should not. If my family members kill your family member I will make sure only my family members (the killer's family) does the investigating and is the judge and jury. Just like the military does.
Ridiculous

" Anybody know how Murtha is doing in his House race? Any chance for him to be defeated?"

Sorry to say, with all of Adolf Bush's atrocities and constitutional violations.....there is very little chance that ANY Democratic candidate will be "defeated"...... a VASTLY different scenario than what Republicans face in the upcoming elections, hey ?

As far as what you idiots refer to as "slander".... Americans soldiers are well-known for thier atrocities, from WWII, to Korea, to Vietnam.....and now surfacing here in Iraq....
It is not "slander" to expose wrongdoing and atrocities !

kinda like saddams trial huh?
never got a good reason on why he is being tried by his victums rather than the world court..oh yeah we pulled out from the world court and why was that? i dont recal them cause us trouble. Most have been taken over by liberal though. SOmeone needs to invent an antiliberal spray so we cna slean our media.

Murtha know's the truth. Generals tell an ex-marine the truth. Your grasping at straws looks disperate and worse (stupid-koolaid drinking)

The war (thanks to this) is an worldwide embarrassment.

You'll lose miserably in November.

That's right I hate that murtha. oh, and clark what's his name. those two are traitor islam-sympathetic terrorists. I support every single death in the name of our presidents foreign policy. Everybody knows that the iraq regime was behind 9/11. your un-patriotic if you don't agree. Saddam is more of a threat than Osama Bin Laden or Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. We actually don't want to find them. and even if our troops did break under pressure and kill over 2 dozen innocent civilians, they shouldn't be punished for it. and those damn publicly elected politicians should keep their un-patriotic ignorant mouths shut.

K' R' and Kenny-wanna bet wimps.

Seems a lot of you wish this whole affair could
just be covered up. The real problem is the idiots
who choose to take part in this massacre. They give
the U.S. a rotten image through much of the world.

"The real problem is the idiots
who choose to take part in this massacre. They give the U.S. a rotten image through much of the world. "

Don't just blame it on the men that pulled the trigger.....These men were trained in this type of brutality from the day they enter Boot Camp, and is re-enforced on a daily basis by thier superiors. The ability to think on thier own is LONG erased from these uneducated pigs.

The Nazi Gestapo & SS services at their most brutal were NEVER as bad as the American military man !

Looks like the moonbats descended on this blog as a hoarde? No voices of reason there for sure.

As for Murtha he is after the press and wants to be MSM darling. He is a whore, whore I say.

" As for Murtha he is after the press "

Hmmmm...... Must we bring up "Mission Accomplished" ?

How about the fake "rescue"/media opportunity of Jessica Lynch ? Who's the media whore NOW, bitch ?

"...it is inexcusable to rush to judgment in order to take political advantage"

No, that's just politics. What is inexcusable is to cheapen the lives of innocent Iraqis by making political fodder out of this.

And then you drag the genuine heros we honor on Memorial Day into the same ring with these possible murderers -- even if those murderers once honored us with their service to our country?

...all for the sake of political hay on a worthless blog. That's inexecusable.

Possible murderers, Lee?

That's just the point. No one involved in Haditha has been convicted of anything yet. But according to the loons on the left your guilty until proven innocent if your a republican or in the military and a verdict of innocent is just another right wing cover-up. Murtha's the one making political fodder with the lives of the Iraqis and the Marines as well as the reputation of his former service.

Who cares if you get an innocent Marine convicted of something he didn't do if it helps a democrat. Its just politics to you. Is that what you lefties are saying? Sure sounds like it to me. You have already convicted these guys without hearing the entire story.

Comparing the American military man to the Gestapo and SS just provides another piece of evidence that the left doesn't study history. That's called ignorance and most likely willful ignorance at that.

Oh, well. No more wrestling with pigs for me. These leftoids convict themselves with their own mouths. SO when are you moving to Canada? Faster, please.

"what a crock"

Don't just blame it on the men that pulled the trigger.....These men were trained in this type of brutality from the day they enter Boot Camp,

That aside, and assuming it were true why havn't there been thousands of similar incidents of this type if there trained as such ruthless killers?

You Sir, or Madame, can go straight to hell.

Well I've tried to make sure that I read all sides of every story but I gotta tell you, you mob scare me. I'm Australian and I recongise that not all soldiers represent our country well, but you are so blinkered to the possibility, blaming lefties, leftoids. GIve me a break...own it, accept the possibility...its not like its never been proven that Americans have not acted ok at any time!!
The way the majority of you are going on it makes me start to consider that more atrocities have been conducted and seen as ok because why your righties, rightoids...what. Mr Howard PLEASE don't let Australians been seen to be supporting this mentality!!!!!!!!!

And while I'm at it:

"Hmmmm...... Must we bring up "Mission Accomplished" ?

That banner had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq per se and only signified the ships successfull return to homeport.

What you seething ninnies who salivate at the mere prospect of Marines doing horrible deeds fail to recognize is that we certainly do accept the possibility that something went terribly wrong in Haditha. The likelihood, however, based on how other Marines conduct themselves in 99.999% of different scenarios is enough to at least give them the benefit of the doubt while an investigation is ongoing.

I'm with epador, in that the possibility exists of insurgents (basically murderers who are predisposed to do these sort of things) could quite possibly have staged this as a damaging propaganda event.

Is there a chance that a (very) few Marines lost control? Yes.
The only difference between you moonbats and the people who actually live in reality is that we're hoping not, while your lot is practically orgasmic over your predetermination of guilt.

And, to "What a crock!", I'd give my next paycheck to see you call a Marine an "uneducated pig" to his (or her) face, you liberal, moongod-worshipping, keyboard-warrior pansy.

you are all very sick people.

Well I've tried to make sure that I read all sides of every story but I gotta tell you, you mob scare me. I'm Australian and I recongise that not all soldiers represent our country well, but you are so blinkered to the possibility, blaming lefties, leftoids. GIve me a break...own it, accept the possibility...its not like its never been proven that Americans have not acted ok at any time!!

I know it's horrible to imagine, but some people in America would rather wait until they know the whole story before coming to a conclusion, especially when there are so few actual facts known. I am pretty sure Australians feel the same, despite your comments suggesting the alternative.

The actions of Americans at other times have absolutely no bearing on the instant case - unless, that is, your objective is to tar all American soldiers with the actions of a few. We attribute that sort of rampant illogic to the far left, who hate American power and wealth and will sieze on any opportunity to attack it.

The way the majority of you are going on it makes me start to consider that more atrocities have been conducted and seen as ok because why your righties, rightoids...what. Mr Howard PLEASE don't let Australians been seen to be supporting this mentality!!!!!!!!!

I have the feeling that I am trying to reason with the political equivalent of a 12-year old, but let's examine the logic of this paragraph. Not only have you tried and convicted the Marines, but made the additional claim that the mere suggestion there may be another side of the story somehow impugns the reputation of the entire American armed forces. I have no words for the inanity of this position.

Nobody in here has defended the the idea that it is OK for any of our armed forces to massacre people. What has been vigorously defened is the right of people so accused to have their side of the story presented as well as that of their accusers before coming to a judgement, especially in a case like this where very few facts are available to the public. We have also criticized those in a position of power who have merrily pronounced the Marines guilty for the purpose of making a political point at the expense of the entire Marine Corps. Is that what you are trying to defend - the right to prejudge the case for political impact?

Lorie we need a cleanup on whatever aisle this is we're posting.

I have stepped in troll poop and it stinks to high heavens. Sort of reminds you of the old 60's era hippies. USA bad, military bad, soap bad.

Lee:

What is inexcusable is to cheapen the lives of innocent Iraqis by making political fodder out of this.

I'm glad to see you condeming Murtha and friends for doing this.

- MikeB

Murtha doesn't really care about the individual Marines involved; he only cares about using this incident (whatever it is) to tar and feather the President and his administration. If this was really about doing the right thing, he would wait until all the facts were known before making a statement. Now, even if it is proven that the Marines did nothing wrong, Murtha is in perfect position to claim that there is a cover-up.

I also want to say that not one single person here has in any way said that the Marines didn't do what they have been accused of doing. In every case, people have spcifically said that punishment should be meted out *if* the facts prove that punishment is warranted. Anyone trying to spin that into anything else is a moron.

Our society has shifted from a presumption of innocence to a presumption of guilt. Just look at the CBS/TANG Memo scandal. In an interview, Mary Mapes as much as said that it was not her responsiblity to prove that an accusation was true, that it was others' responsibility to prove otherwise. The Duke lacrosse team has been convicted in the court of public opinion over an incident that may or may not have happened. Players that were not involved (assuming there was a crime committed) have been punished even though they did nothing wrong.

And now, the entire Marine Corps and military in general is being treated as monsters because of something that may or may not have happened. And, it's all because one Congressman wanted to see his name in print.

What's the big deal? Let's cut these guys some slack. After all, they were probably just blowing off a little steam after a hard day in the desert, you know, like those wacky Abu Graib guards. Just a harmless prank.

There are a lot of signs that, unfortunately, suggest this incident may be true. To suggest that there are those who are "orgiastic" about this possibility is presumptious at best and, at worst, just another baseless generalization about those with a different point of view.

I don't know which is worse, the alleged killing or the fact that the Chimp-in-Chief didn't know about it until now.

Looks like this thread needs de-lousing. The KosKidz seem to have infested it.

"That aside, and assuming it were true why havn't there been thousands of similar incidents of this type if there trained as such ruthless killers? "

There HAS, Moron ! Only, in MOST cases, they rarely see the light of day ! Only the most HORRIFIC cases do the public get to see ! Like the drunken driver, for every one who is caught, there are hundreds more that drive drunk undetected. It's a statistical CERTAINTY !

You sir...can go pack it in yer butt !

Heh, this latest Bush and Co. fiasco has you bonehead righties squirming in your seats. Poor Bush ass kissers. It's got to be rough being the "backwash" of the good ol' U.S.A.

And while I am at it :

"Ok asshole, since you brought it up. I returned from 8 overseas deployments on various US warships. Each and everyone had banners displayed expressing the very same sentiment, no matter what that mission was.

That banner had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq per se and only signified the ships successfull return to homeport. "

Well, first of all, son.....