Kim

You wrote: "and stymie the efforts of the service men and women who are fighting valiantly to protect our freedoms and way of life."

The American forces may be fighting valiantly, but your claim that they are protecting our "freedoms and way of life" is pure BS. At no time has Iraq ever come close to threatening our freedom or way of life. They are fighting valiantly, but it is for the lies foisted on them & the American public by The Chimp and his manipulator, Cheney.

AC 360 gave a fair shake to the fact that the petagon said the claims in ishaqi were, I think the quote was completely false, but i might be wrong. Then they turned around did a 2 minute on "How this will play in the streets," Followed by 2 more minutes about the concerning implications of Haditha, and Abu Ghraib came up twice.

Just stop giving them advice, they are like three year olds "don't touch that, thats hot." and they do it anyway just to spite you.

argh!! that should have been "(quote) completely false (end quote" not just an open statement on the sentence, sorry.

Yeah, let's see how fast and how loudly the MSM seizes upon this story.

I think it is clear that a majority of media (print and video) are trying to "send American citizens' morale about the war in Iraq even lower" and do anything to support the lame fantasy that they really didn't support the war before it started (all the Bush lied stuff is an attempt to avoid responsibility for having jumped on the bandwagon and made the war possible, then being disappointed in a lack of immediate gratification of an utter victory in 3 month's time).

So don't bother fantasizing otherwise.

Really, how many of the current anti-war whiners would be Bush Bashing or Marine Lynching if it had been a quick victory with 3,000 American casualties? It isn't about the war being right or wrong, its about it taking "so long" with a mounting death toll (still under what the original Pentagon estimates were for the initial invasion).

Not that many are likely to admit such.

You may want to wait until they creep up in your back yard mak44, but not I. Take'em out before they have another chance to touch my country or countrymen.

And if you think just because they are in a different state they didn't hold the same views as the 9/11 guys, you are naïve as well. The rulers of Iraq were just another Arab Mafioso style family. Different neighborhood but, same belief system, same hatred, and same goal of burying every American they could, including you.

I am so tiered of this argument from you and the "look we didn't find any WMD's, they weren't bad" crowd.

If any of our troops have violated the rules of warfare, they must be brought to account for those violations.

Remember, though, that those rules, developed over centuries, are based on a concept of mutuality. We don't attack civilians - BECAUSE lawful combatants wear uniforms. We don't attack churches or mosques - UNLESS the enemy uses them to mount attacks against us.

We are fighting an enemy which, as a policy and strategy, violates these rules every day. That doesn't excuse our guys if they violate them, too, of course. It does put a little perspective on the situation, though.

No doubt there were as many or more incidents of egregious violations by American forces in WWII, but that was different. We had a clearer sense of what we were doing then, and we also had far fewer fifth columnists active at home at the time.

I, too, am tired of the anti-war ignorant drivel that spews forth on a regular basis ...

I just bet that Mak44 was one of those howling for Bush's head on a platter "because he didn't do anything to stop 9/11!" Imagine the howls if he did do something. Oy!

I betcha Mak44 also has whined about the NSA supposedly getting phone traffic records (NOT wiretapping) ... whining with the same mouth that whined that we should have been able to figure out the 9/11 plot beforehand.

We live in a microwave society. We want things done fast and easy. Sure, we kicked Saddam's ass with record speed, but we knew going in that there would be more to accomplish ... a lot more. As it turns out, more than we should have guessed.

The "no WMDs" argument is growing paler as we collect more and more evidence that there were, indeed, WMDs in Iraq until shortly before we invaded. So stuff that one ... please. Not to mention, WMDs was not the primary reason for going to war. Duh! Big red truck!

A friend of mine was in Gulf I. He was a behind the scenes tech for a special forces unit. Given what I know he knows, when he says that we should have been in Iraq at least 7 years sooner and because we weren't, we may pay a much dearer price ... I believe him, and can only imagine.

This is about more than just Iraq or even Saddam. Or WMDs. This is just part of a much bigger strategy to accomplish much more than invading a few countries and deposing a couple of bad guy dictators. It's even more than defeating Islamofascism ... the splodeydopes and their "handlers" are not much more than useful idiots to the true powers at work. Look behind the Imams ...

Back on topic ... this is great news for our Marines. But I can't help but flashback to the LA Riots ... these people are even more edgy.

A thousand zillion pardons ... I was thinking about the Haditha situation and had Marines on the brain and that is what I typed. Great news for those troops, and I pray that the Haditha results in justice as well.

The American forces may be fighting valiantly, but your claim that they are protecting our "freedoms and way of life" is pure BS.

Let me guess, you support the troops, eh Mak?

They protect our freedoms because little cretins like you can drone on and on about how awful this President is and you never have to worry about your tongues getting pulled out. Isn't that fair enough for you? I know the chic thing is to care about Darfur (according to the left), yet I never heard as much as a peep from you guys over Saddam. Why is that Mak? Why did this bloody dictator get a pass from you guys? He tortured women and children. We had mass graves...yet, nothing from the left.

And btw, The Chimp? Please, get something new.

Blaming the media again? No surprise there...

The Marines need to fix this problem, and fast. I hope the media keeps the heat on high until that happens. Apparently members of the military command have tried to cover things up here. That is absolutely unacceptable as it gives the appearance of tacit approval. We are not murdering heathens.

If it takes a public outcry to get his problem fixed fast, then so be it. Crank up the volume, and the headlines.

The Marines need to fix this problem, and fast.

You mean the problem where they are accused of atrocities and it turns out to be fabricated? I agree, it should be dealt with post-haste.

-- With this in mind, the media need to step back, take a deep breath, and stop convicting our marines. --

If the media were anything but a covert affiliate of the liberal left, there might be a chance of that. Not a big chance, mind you; remember that horror stories on the front page have always sold more papers and advertising space than pictures of puppies and kittens. But a chance, nonetheless.

The American forces may be fighting valiantly, but your claim that they are protecting our "freedoms and way of life" is pure BS. At no time has Iraq ever come close to threatening our freedom or way of life.

Posted by: mak44

You tell them mak44. Just read the Presidential quote below and everyone will know that this is purely a blatant lie.

Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

Opps, I forgot to mention the quote was from Bill Clinton. Therefore it wasn't a lie. That was when Saddam was a threat in 1998.

If President Bush had said it, then it would be a lie.

I think the most important piece of information thus far is that the families of the the alleged victims will not allow exhumation for forensic examination.

If this stands, nothing can be concluded.

Someone from Human Rights Watch (or something like it) was on Hannity yesterday and he said hat he'd aplogize to Hannity if the Marines were "found innocent."

That sums it up beautifully.

When it suits them, those on the left need to find the Marines "found innocent" instead of "found guilty."

And here I thought it was always the other way around.

But ABC News has learned that military officials have completed their investigation and concluded that U.S. forces followed the rules of engagement.

Well, now, if it's been reported by the MSM, you can trust it, can't you? Glad to see you're coming around.

epador:

It isn't about the war being right or wrong, its about it taking "so long" with a mounting death toll

Yeah, it's about right & wrong. It's about a large country, the largest, attacking a small country that in no way threatened that large country, on the advice of neocon enthusiasts who blithely ignored the evidence they were given to the contrary.

SWAK,

astigafa

And as long as we're idiot collecting, here's JEW:

You may want to wait until they creep up in your back yard mak44, but not I. Take'em out before they have another chance to touch my country or countrymen.

Oh yes, rather be fightin' them over there than here. Want to explain how that works? They're all trapped in Iraq until we're done there? Some kind of American military magnetism that only affects al Qaeda?

Astigafa ... you really need look no further for idiocy than in your own posts, you know. Scroll up and read the President's statement that JumpinJoe posted. Then try to wrap your little bitty mind around the idea that this isn't just about Saddam or Iraq or even Al Quaida. That will require two things that might be a challenge to you: an open mind, and logical thought process. Good luck.

The story is as much a fraud as the Dan Rathergate scandal! it is a terrorist propagandists dream that the likes of Mak & Lee just eat up and pray is true..

It is good news that the US army was cleared in the latest alleged atrocity incident..But somehow I would feel more assured if it wasn't the US army who was clearing itself..I think these stories are becoming than more than 'a public relations problem' for the troops.,as Virgo believes..Michael E. O'Hanlon, a defense expert at the Brookings Institution, (who seems to see the dilemma) said "he fears that there is a gradual decline in trust between U.S. forces and the Iraqis... the tactics troops have employed during the war are worrisome in a broader sense...A lot of civilian casualties in Iraq are due to American bullets, and that raises questions about whether our tactics are appropriate and smart. "Sometimes you're killing four innocent people in order to kill two insurgents, and we've used force in ways that have carried that risk almost every day of the war."

Astigafa, try again. After you come down off that Leftist Sychophant Do-Doo you ingested last night, try again. You are still hallucinating and delusional. In the mean time, wonder at the amazing way the hands that type your drivel look in the daylight or candlelight.