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Deja vu all over again

I was thinking about covering the story of Lt. Ehren Watada, but I see Kim has already beaten me to it -- and quite ably.

I'm glad Kim did that. I really didn't want to discuss the matter, because I had a strange feeling that I had seen this particular movie before -- and I know how it ends.

We have a 100% volunteer military. Nobody's been forced into the service in over 30 years. The time for second thoughts, conscientious objections, and hesitations is BEFORE you sign the papers.

But that doesn't matter. As soon as the anti-war movement has no more use for Mr. Watada, he'll be discarded like all the other useful idiots. Because it's all about the CAUSE.


Comments (26)

Let him refuse.UCM... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Let him refuse.

UCMJ proceedings, court martial, dishonorable discharge.

Maybe he can find a job licking envelopes for one of those anti-war groups.

Nobody's been forced int... (Below threshold)

Nobody's been forced into the service in over 30 years.

Maybe. But if Bush is reelected, he's going to reinstate the draft. Ooops. That hasn't happened yet, but just wait... any minute now...

Maybe he can find a job ... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

Maybe he can find a job licking envelopes for one of those anti-war groups.

At least he would be doing something to combat terror.

astigafa whined at June 7, ... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

astigafa whined at June 7, 2006 09:03 AM

At least he would be doing something to combat terror.

Yep, every one of those envelopes would be a knife in the back of a terrorist. You moonbats certainly are amusing . . .

DavidB I believe astigafa w... (Below threshold)
ClashCityRocker:

DavidB I believe astigafa was being sarcastic, my question is what has he done to combat terrorism, I am a vertern of both Gulf Wars, one of which I thought was a just cause, and the other unjust. But hey I signed on the dotted line, did my job, sweated, stewed, dug sand outta my azz, and complained to whomever would listen. But in the end I did my job, served my country, then got the hell outta Dodge, 10 years 2 wars, GI Bill, and a VA loan later, I am a complaining member of society. back to the point; The UCMJ has a great little clause, the right to not follow an order you; now read carefully "Believe" is an illegal order, according to the UCMJ it is your duty not to follow that order, and to report it to the superior of the person who issued that order.

Once upon a time, a dishone... (Below threshold)
Charles Bannerman:

Once upon a time, a dishonerable discharge meant something. Your life was pretty much ruined.
Now a dishonerable discharge would be heralded by the MSM as a badge of honor.
God, what are we coming to?
Chuck

JayAre you ... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Jay

Are you watching the Posts on Kim's thread?

Take a look at the latest from Rob in LA in response to my "juvenile and insulting" post, not to mention possibly Drew E's.

The order to deploy can not... (Below threshold)
MunDane:

The order to deploy can not, on it face, be an illegal order. Since that is one of the General Orders. (In the Army, it read, "I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved.") I have no doubt that the Navy has something akin to this, saying you will get on the big floaty thing and do your job until you get another squiddy to relieve you.

Furhtermore, if he had this epiphany in Japan, he needed to say it then, not at the point of deployment or near deployment.

Ironically, if my memory serves, the BHR went to do Indonesian humanitarian relief instead of going to Iraq.

Hmmmm.The time to ... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

The time to make this decision is before you enlist.

Jeff: If Bush gets re-elec... (Below threshold)

Jeff: If Bush gets re-elected, pigs will fly too. Hard to believe its his second term, huh?

Obviously this story is all... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Obviously this story is all over the place here in the Puget Sound.

OK, so the Lt. doesn't want to go into theater. Fine. He can be against the war if he wants to be. But consider these points:

1.) He's an artillery fire officer. In case he wasn't aware, most operations in Iraq no longer involve lobbing large-caliber shells from great distances at the enemy (aka: the bad guys). That type of fighting ended, oh, three years ago in April/May!

So in all likleihood his company would be reassigned to take on such horrific tasks such as building schools, fixing roads and hospitals, building playfields and parks, setting up power stations and other vile acts of humantiy.

2.) "Thanks for the notice, Lt." Given that his company ships out soon, that's what a lot of his men will be saying as the Army likely won't be able to find a replacement for him in time. This is something the Lt. could have informed his CO of months ago and given the Army enough time to find a replacement! Talk about self-serving.

3.) He signed up for the Army...drum roll, please...AFTER the invasion of Iraq! Surely he had to know he would be deployed at some point. Duhhhhhhh.

4.) "Not In Our Name" is behind this and was responsible for the press release. They've already glommed onto the Lt.'s, ahem, "cause"

Of interesting note, Brian Suits of KVI radio here in Seattle (who is a former Lt. that fought and did occasional reporting from Iraq), is attempting to get an interview with Lt. Watada this evening. Apparently, Suits was just ahead Watada in officer school down in Stillwater, OK. This could be a very interesting show.

Suits' show streams from 5pm - 8pm PST. You can find his show here

mak44:I looked at ... (Below threshold)

mak44:

I looked at the comments you suggested I peruse, and it was quite enlightening. It appears that a miserable little shit is whining about getting back a fraction of the normal treatment he routinely dishes out. I believe the phrase "rough justice" or "karma" might apply.

If you're calling for me take some form of action, mak, say so clearly. I don't do that thing as a matter of course, but an elegantly simple solution to your feeling mistreated is available...

J.

Jay,My offer of $20 ... (Below threshold)
scsiwuzzy:

Jay,
My offer of $20 bucks or a donation still stands if he can prove that he "starts it" less than 90% of the time.
LOL

You moonbats certainly a... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

You moonbats certainly are amusing . . .

You neocons are not -- at least, not intentionally.

Really enjoyed Ann Coulter on Today yesterday, BTW. "I have never seen people enjoying their husband's death so much." What a hateful tribe of ignorant twits.

astigafa:Politics as... (Below threshold)
Bryan:

astigafa:
Politics aside, how are you any different than Ann Coulter? You're hateful, she's hatefull. You're shrill, she's shrill. You're an extremist, she's an extremist. In what way are you better then her?

Gotta admit: most of us DO... (Below threshold)

Gotta admit: most of us DO hate traitors.


For those of you who think ... (Below threshold)
JohnQPublic:

For those of you who think Watada is a coward, idiot, etc. _and_ support the war in Iraq _and_ are 40 years old on younger: Shut up and join the army. That's how you really support the troops and the war effort.

From someone who thinks Watada should do his job, but was always against the war (strategic blunder) and is over 40 years old. I support the troops through the Armed Forces Trust since VA benefits aren't keeping up with Vet needs.

Wow, JohnQSockPuppet.... (Below threshold)
scsiwuzzy:

Wow, JohnQSockPuppet.
You told them.

Hey JohnQSockPuppet, I was ... (Below threshold)
cate s.:

Hey JohnQSockPuppet, I was in the first Gulf War, got shot & would have stayed in but having to lose a kidney due to the shot kind of put me out. I know support my husband at home in his third tour of Iraq. So, why don't you go and enlist?
As said previously I don't want this fool anywhere near my husband. I think this particular individual had another motive for joining in 03-when we were already in Iraq-he wanted to put on the uniform, train with these wonderful people and then at the last minute come out with his "I am against an illegal and unjut war" stand. He's an idiot and you are too SockPuppet.
This Watada clown is a coward. He shouldn't just be dishonorably dischaged---he should be shot like all the others who signed up to have their college paid for, the wonderful shopping at the commissary & px & lets not forget the Military Balls-Army Bithday is June 16-(I'm being sarcastic about the last three).

Hey JohnQSockPuppet, I was ... (Below threshold)
cate s.:

Hey JohnQSockPuppet, I was in the first Gulf War, got shot & would have stayed in but having to lose a kidney due to the shot kind of put me out. I now support my husband at home in his third tour of Iraq. So, why don't you go and enlist?
As said previously I don't want this fool anywhere near my husband. I think this particular individual had another motive for joining in 03-when we were already in Iraq-he wanted to put on the uniform, train with these wonderful people and then at the last minute come out with his "I am against an illegal and unjut war" stand. He's an idiot and you are too SockPuppet.
This Watada clown is a coward. He shouldn't just be dishonorably dischaged---he should be shot like all the others who signed up to have their college paid for, the wonderful shopping at the commissary & px & lets not forget the Military Balls-Army Bithday is June 16-(I'm being sarcastic about the last three).

cate s: Hey JohnQSockPuppet... (Below threshold)
thornyTristan:

cate s: Hey JohnQSockPuppet, I was in the first Gulf War, got shot & would have stayed in but having to lose a kidney due to the shot kind of put me out. I now support my husband at home in his third tour of Iraq. So, why don't you go and enlist?

You just gotta love the misplaced macho inherent in this statement, doncha? Yes! Let's all go and join the army, get our kidney's shot off for freedom, before we have the right to speak out. We really aren't allowed to talk about freedom unless we carried a gun for our country, right?

Gotta love it when a few survivors of war can think that they speak not just for all vet's, but for everyone touched by war. Too funny.

Plain and simple: Watada is a hero. He deserves the JFK Award for Profiles in Courage.

Watada is a hero. He des... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Watada is a hero. He deserves the JFK Award for Profiles in Courage.

No, dead wrong. He is a desserter. Period. He is abandoning the commitment he made and promised to the United States. Worst of all, he's abandoning the men and women he leads for his own self-serving politcal agenda.

And the only award he deserves is a stint in Leavenworth.

Actually, I have to agree w... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Actually, I have to agree with thorny: this dipshit just might deserve the JFK Profiles In Courage Award. Take a look at who's won it recently; liberal asshats and RINOs for "standing up" to conservatives.

J.

Hey thornyTristan,... (Below threshold)
JohnQPublic:

Hey thornyTristan,

I think you misread my comment. I am over the possible age for enlistment. I spent six years in the guard from 1982 - 1988, so I have some limited military experience, which is neither here nor there.

My point is - plenty people wanna complain about Watada's courage, patriotism, etc who themselves are a position to volunteer and serve. So I encourage them to put their money with their mouth is and step up. It's easy to complain from the sidelines. If you're details about yourself are legit, you've got credibility to bitch about Watada.

I'm beyond the point where I can serve again - so I support the Armed Forces Trust so our vets get all they can.

Finally, I made no comment about Watada himself.

Hey thornyTristian, why is ... (Below threshold)
cate s.:

Hey thornyTristian, why is it that the only mother who is allowed to speak out is Cindy Sheehan? Why are those parents who are for the war silenced by those like you. I lost a kidney, what did you lose? Nothing at all. So I'm telling you buddy that my opinion is just as important as yours and I did carry a gun so you can make a fool of yourself. So, can I expect to see you out here in the Aloha State with the grand and wonderful Lt. Coward?

Cate, if you really want to... (Below threshold)
Joober:

Cate, if you really want to serve again I'm pretty sure you could get a kidney waiver, as bad as the military needs more bodies. There are plenty of active soldiers who have only one kidney, not to mention heart disease, and others with less than five members on each hand or foot. Keep trying different recruiters and different services, sooner or later one of them is bound to find a way to get you back into the military. Keep up with your PT so you can prove to them you're physically able to perform your military duties! Look for a doctor or two even, to write you a statement saying you're fit enough for duty. If you really want back in, and really keep trying, there's no reason you won't find a way to convince them to get you back in the military again. If one recruiter turns you down, then try, try again. Where there's a will there's a way.




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