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"This film is rated PG, or 'Pro-God.'"

As an agnostic, I have a healthy dose of skepticism when I hear people talking about "Hollywood's war on Christianity." It's kind of hard to see a lot of persecution and oppression of Christians in America today.

But every now and then, something happens that thinks that these folks just might be on to something.

Something like this.

"Parental Guidance Suggested" for a film because it's too preachy.

Jesus wept...

(Thanks to my friend Candy, who fought off a bear to get me this story)


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Comments (42)

Oh have some FAITH and get ... (Below threshold)

Oh have some FAITH and get over yourself. If you believe in god, god can not be questioned. It would be like questioning teh existence of teh planet. Or chuck norris.

yes, I said TEH. Suck it up... (Below threshold)

yes, I said TEH. Suck it up.

maybe its just the fact tha... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

maybe its just the fact that a 3-5 year old might not even understand what this movie is about. young kids watch movies for visual affects and cute characters, as my nephews support by knowing every line from Finding Nemo. preachy or not, movies like this are not intended for a G movie age group.

Well, then the same rating ... (Below threshold)
Steve:

Well, then the same rating could go for "hoot". it's preachy message encourages young kids to defy the law for the sake of an animal.

<a href="http://www.mpaa.or... (Below threshold)
mantis:

MPAA Ratings

PG: This is a film which clearly needs to be examined by parents before they let their children attend. The label PG plainly states parents may consider some material unsuitable for their children, but leaves the parent to make the decision....The PG rating, suggesting parental guidance, is thus an alert for examination of a film by parents before deciding on its viewing by their children. Obviously such a line is difficult to draw. In our pluralistic society it is not easy to make judgments without incurring some disagreement. As long as parents know they must exercise parental responsibility, the rating serves as a meaningful guide and as a warning.

How dare they suggest parents pay attention to what religious films their kids watch?

Well, then the same rati... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Well, then the same rating could go for "hoot". it's preachy message encourages young kids to defy the law for the sake of an animal.

Hoot is rated PG.

The first Star Trek movie w... (Below threshold)

The first Star Trek movie was rated "G." This, despite really weird quasi-spiritual/quasi-sexual themes and a transporter accident where you can hear the victims howling in pain as you watch them get deformed. The quote afterward was bad, too:

Kirk: "Do you have them?"
Transporter officer on Earth, over radio: "What we got back, didn't live long...fortunately."

Ah yes...but not for encour... (Below threshold)
Steve:

Ah yes...but not for encouraging kids to break the law for the preachy message of enviromentalism, but for mild bullying and brief language (Source IMBD).

"Facing the Giants" rating was soley on the preachy message. Do you see the inconsistencies?

Gotta say I don't find this... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Gotta say I don't find this a strong example of a "Hollywood War" on Christians. I think a better example would be the problems Gibson went through trying to get funding for his "Passion" movie and how it was derided by Hollywood right up until it blew away box office records. Much more fertile ground for looking for any sort of Hollywood bias int hat area rather than this.

Steve,Leftists onl... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Steve,

Leftists only understand "nuance" when they use it to bash Bush.

Faith+1,Perhaps, b... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Faith+1,

Perhaps, but that issue is a year and a half old. This is, while maybe not as egregious, a very recent example.

I could see an argument that this is an example of MPAA political correctness in trying not to offend Muslims, rather than a specific attack on Christianity.

Who knows...

As a mother of formerly sma... (Below threshold)

As a mother of formerly small children... I'd never assume that a G rated movie had a message that I wanted my children to hear. G rated movies are frequently preachy and a parent needs to pay attention. If you don't you're going to have "issues" sooner or later.

After all... Bambi gave us radical environmentalism.

Synova,...and anim... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Synova,

...and animal rights.

Fortunately, my kids already knew that Bambi was "yummy" before they ever saw the movie.

- Leftists only understand ... (Below threshold)
Joel:

- Leftists only understand "nuance" when they use it to bash Bush. -

Too, Too True:) I completely beleive in Church being seperate from government, but when it comes down to these issues, what can you really do about it - better yet why spend so much energy on it.

After all... Bambi gave ... (Below threshold)
OregonMuse:

After all... Bambi gave us radical environmentalism.

Ironic fact o' the day: Bambi was originally written in German. It was translated into English by...
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Whittaker Chambers(!). Yeah, that's right, the reformed ex-commie who outed Alger Hiss.

Hmmmm.I c... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

I could see an argument that this is an example of MPAA political correctness in trying not to offend Muslims, rather than a specific attack on Christianity.

Now that would be amusing to see wouldn't it? A movie that is very preachy about Islam to young children. Wouldn't that get a PG rating?

Or would the threat of bloodshed and violence against the MPAA make them reconsider?

A film that promotes a part... (Below threshold)
Lee:

A film that promotes a particular religious point of view deserves a PG rating, no matter what the religion. That isn't hard to understand, for most of us anyway.....

This rating is bogus..all r... (Below threshold)
Drew E.:

This rating is bogus..all ratings are bogus..let parents make the effort to find out about any film they take their children to. If you have children, wait a week and read a cross section of reviews. The same goes for music that we buy for our kids.
Only parents have the right to censor what their children under the age of 13 see or hear.
For many christian parents this would be a film of affirmation for their children.

Bambi? German? W. Chambers?... (Below threshold)
Drew E.:

Bambi? German? W. Chambers? That sounds a little crackpot...can you provide multiple sources? Hey, I am always open for new reliable information.

Since I fought off a bear t... (Below threshold)
Candy:

Since I fought off a bear to get you this story off of Drudge, the very least I can do is comment on it - I guess I'm really surprised that more of you aren't even slightly up in arms that God - the same God who is listed on our money and sworn to in our courts - is becoming a dirty word in Hollywood.

Just googled and yep the po... (Below threshold)
Drew E.:

Just googled and yep the poster was right..although i am not sure of his point...Thanks for the information..like I said I am open to learn...

point of information....I w... (Below threshold)
Drew E.:

point of information....I was recently a witness in a trial and did not "swear to god" as it wasn't offered.
It was only "Do you swear to state the truth and nothing but the truth" That is here in Colorado and could be different in your state

That isn't hard to under... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

That isn't hard to understand, for most of us anyway.....

When you say 'us', you must be referring to the voices in your head.

I guess I'm really surpr... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I guess I'm really surprised that more of you aren't even slightly up in arms that God - the same God who is listed on our money and sworn to in our courts - is becoming a dirty word in Hollywood.

First of all, the movie is rated PG. Where do you get that god is a dirty word from a PG rating?

Second, my money doesn't specify Baptist, does yours?

Third, how would you expect a kids movie that proselytized Sunni Islam to be rated? G?

All the MPAA has done is to... (Below threshold)
Vulgorilla:

All the MPAA has done is to so completely discount their ratings as to make them worthless. I've basically sent my last dollar to Hollywood. If most everyone else did that then the MPAA would cease to exist. I pray for them to show up in the next round of bankruptcy proceedings.

Hmmmm.A f... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

A film that promotes a particular religious point of view deserves a PG rating, no matter what the religion. That isn't hard to understand, for most of us anyway.....

Yeah! What he said! Speak Truth To Red Nut Jesus Freaks Power Bro!

'Cause "The Little Drummer Boy" is all Christer Religious Facism dressed like a sheeple yo! Give that bastard the PG rating it deserves!

(this was sarcasm if anyone has any doubts.)

mantis said:Thi... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

mantis said:

Third, how would you expect a kids movie that proselytized Sunni Islam to be rated? G?

Well, since it would most likely involve cutting off heads, how about R? NC-17?

Our country is (or was) a d... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Our country is (or was) a diverse group of people and religions. I have many jewish friends who would agree The Little drummer Boy (if in fact that promotes a particular religious viewpoint) is a film that should have a PG rating.

That shouldn't have been too hard to understand... but i guess it is, for some.

Hmmmm.<a href="htt... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

http://www.carols.org.uk/little_drummer_boy.htm

Come they told me, pa rum pum pum pum
A new born King to see, pa rum pum pum pum
Our finest gifts we bring, pa rum pum pum pum
To lay before the King, pa rum pum pum pum,
rum pum pum pum, rum pum pum pum,

So to honor Him, pa rum pum pum pum,
When we come.

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It's as subversive as they come man!

I can hear the clang of the iron gates on the ovens at BushHitler's Guantanamo concentration camp. Read that shit dude!

That's code for "whack the fuckers and don't spare the ammo 'cause G-d will provide".

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C'mon. Anybody who tries to sell that the Little Drummer Boy deserves a **PG** rating is talking out of his ass.

It's tough when your position becomes untenable. But holding onto something that's doing the big swirly just makes you look foolish.

First of all, if there was ... (Below threshold)
Steve:

First of all, if there was a movie about a proselytized Sunni Islam, I wouldn't take my children to it anyway.

To be more accurate maybe MPAA needs to come up with a religious rating in addition the the other ratings. Or add a letter to the established ratings.

For example:

GG - General, God reference
GPSI - General Proselytized Sunni Islam reference
GSH - General, Snake Handlers reference

or we could just read the review or the summary and get all that info for ourselves. But seriously folks, why would any parent take their child to a movie that they know nothing about? I wouldn't take my children to "American Pie" or "Basic Instinct II". I don't need a rating to tell me that.

So, Lee, you just sit aroun... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

So, Lee, you just sit around talking about movie ratings of Christian themed films with your Jewish friends? All righty then.

What's that smell?

Oh, it's just Lee talking out of his a** again!

Steve,You left out... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Steve,

You left out GACP - General, Anti-Christian Propaganda

Sheik - I do have a lot of ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Sheik - I do have a lot of jewish friends, and we do talk about films and we talk about religion a lot also.

No, we haven't discussed Christian films at all, but I know their views well enough to know they'd want to know that religious perspectives and viewpoints were a prominent part of the film's message.

And please, Sheik, quit thinking about my ass. It gives my the creeps....

ED, Carols don't h... (Below threshold)
Lee:

ED,

Carols don't have MPAA ratings, just films. I said a film about the Little Drummer Boy if it fact promotes a particular religious viewpoint would deserve a PG rating, alerting parents to the religious promotion of the film.

You quoted the lyrics to the Little Drummer Boy Christmas carol.

If you're going to sit at the adult table you will have to do better than that.

Lee:<a href="http://... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Lee:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0063230/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0296057/

Granted, they were made for TV, so wouldn't get an MPAA rating.

Look, if its a religion you... (Below threshold)

Look, if its a religion you agree with, you won't be bothered, but if not, you will.

Arguing that other G rated films shoulda been PG doesn't change the argument that this one is appropriately rated.

Overblown hype and advertising given to movie by making a big deal about this, especially without providing numerous examples of other G rated movies that should be PG.

[email protected] Lee<... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

@ Lee

Do you have any idea whatsoever what The Little Drummer Boy is about? The lyrics came first, and then a couple of movies were made based on the lyrics. And the lyrics are entirely about a little drummer boy who meets the three wise men and announces the birth of Jesus Christ by drumming on his drum.

Do you get that?

Carols don't have MPAA ratings, just films.

No duh Lee. But you made a ridiculous remark that frankly shows that you had/have no idea at all what The Little Drummer Boy was about. Which is why I posted the first verse of the song.

"The Little drummer Boy (if in fact that promotes a particular religious viewpoint)"

That was your comment which plainly shows that you've either never seen the movies, which are generally played every single year, or you simply don't know what you're discussing.

I said a film about the Little Drummer Boy if it fact promotes a particular religious viewpoint would deserve a PG rating, alerting parents to the religious promotion of the film.

Of course it "promotes a particular religious viewpoint". The whole thing is about the birth of Jesus Christ. How could it possibly be anything BUT promoting a particular religious viewpoint?

My using The Little Drummer Boy is to show how ridiculous this assertion is that any substantial level of religious content deserves a PG rating. There has never been a more innocuous movie in the history of the movie industry.

But yet if I want to show this movie in a theater you really think it deserves a PG rating? Utter nonsense.

You quoted the lyrics to the Little Drummer Boy Christmas carol.

Amazingly enough I thought the reason why was extraordinarily obvious.

If you're going to sit at the adult table you will have to do better than that.

Considering that you don't seem to have a grasp of what The Little Drummer Boy is about, a rather odd thing since you claim to discuss Christian movies with jewish friends, I'd suggest you look in a mirror.

For those of you who want a... (Below threshold)
Candy:

For those of you who want a PG rating on any movie with a religious theme: I wanted to let you know that "Nestor the Long-Eared Donkey" is NOT rated. Thank heavens they had the good sense not to slap a G rating on that baby. If you thought The Little Drummer Boy was bad... well, you might want to rent "Nestor" and watch it in the closet when the kids are asleep :)

Don't worry about one of my other favorites, though - "The Prince of Egypt" has a PG rating for intense depiction of thematic elements according to imdb.com.

I need some coffee...

Hmmmm.Next Up: Cin... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

Next Up: Cinderella.

Should it get a PG rating for the raw depiction of White Facist Oppression?

For the untrammelled White Slavery and the unapologetic continuation of the Slave-MANtality of the Patriarchy?

As to the question about no... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

As to the question about not being more up in arms about Hollywood and God...

1) Come on people, it's Hollywood. Ever since the abominations of Starship Troopers, Pearl Harbor, and Titanic (yes, I said Titanic) I am no longer, shocked bothered or even care what Hollywood does. Given the downslide in revenue for movies I am appranently not alone.

Seeing Hollywood bristle at a "God" reference and scrambling to be politically correct is about as surprising as the sun coming up.

2) I'm considered conservative. I am not, however, a Christian (despite the lunatic Left's broad stroke of all conservatives being ignorant redneck Bible thumpers--I'm no where near that and there are more like me than there are "Bible thumping rednecks" which is why you continue to lose elections).

I'm not particularly anything and much like Jay Tea I would be at best described as "born again Agnostic". My reasons are my own. I am not ignorant of Christianity--I was raised Baptist then Catholic. In short my belief is that if there is a Supreme Being, he/she/it doesn't really give a rat's ass about what we are doing.

3) On this particular issue, to be honest, it just looks like nitpicking. Changing G to PG just isn't a big deal. Frankly, it comes across to me as having a chip on the shoulder and trying to stir up a fight. I always thought it a trait of the Left to take small, insignificant things and blow them all out of proportion or make huge leaps of logic to come up with a ridiculous conclusion. Seeing that thought process start to creep into the right is troublesome.

ed, you hmmm need new glass... (Below threshold)
Lee:

ed, you hmmm need new glasses.

you wrote:

Considering that you don't seem to have a grasp of what The Little Drummer Boy is about, a rather odd thing since you claim to discuss Christian movies with jewish friends, I'd suggest you look in a mirror.

I wrote:

Sheik - I do have a lot of jewish friends, and we do talk about films and we talk about religion a lot also.

No, we haven't discussed Christian films at all, but I know their views well enough to know they'd want to know that religious perspectives and viewpoints were a prominent part of the film's message.

It's hmmm confirmed. You do need new hmmm glasses.

And i,ll bet they gave that... (Below threshold)
Eon the terrible:

And i,ll bet they gave that crap HOOT a G rating




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