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Vietnam, Watergate and Rove

Michael Barone writes about how current events are just not easy for Democrats to process, especially because they keep trying to fit them into the mold of Vietnam and Watergate.

Historians may regard it as a curious thing that the left and the press have been so determined to fit current events into templates based on events that occurred 30 to 40 years ago. The people who effectively framed the issues raised by Vietnam and Watergate did something like the opposite; they insisted that Vietnam was not a reprise of World War II or Korea and that Watergate was something different from the operations J. Edgar Hoover conducted for Franklin Roosevelt or John Kennedy. Journalists in the 1940s, '50s and early '60s tended to believe they had a duty to buttress Americans' faith in their leaders and their government. Journalists since Vietnam and Watergate have tended to believe that they have a duty to undermine such faith, especially when the wrong party is in office.


That belief has its perils for journalism, as the Fitzgerald investigation has shown. The peril that the press may find itself in the hot seat, but even more the peril that it will get the story wrong. The visible slavering over the prospect of a Rove indictment is just another item in the list of reasons why the credibility of the "mainstream media" has been plunging. There's also a peril for the political left. Vietnam and Watergate were arguably triumphs for honest reporting. But they were also defeats for America--and for millions of freedom-loving people in the world. They ushered in an era when the political opposition and much of the press have sought not just to defeat administrations but to delegitimize them. The pursuit of Karl Rove by the left and the press has been just the latest episode in the attempted criminalization of political differences. Is there any hope that it might turn out to be the last?

My response to Barone would be absolutely no hope whatsoever. As Larry Johnson showed in his recent remarks about Karl Rove, those on the Left are losing it. The more President Bush's poll numbers rise and the more progress that is made in Iraq, the worse it is going to get. Don't say I didn't warn you. Actually Paul already has. Things are going to get even nastier and that is not going to help Democrats at the polls in November. By the way, if Republicans get into the gutter with them, it won't help them any either.


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Comments (36)

There's a maxim in warfare ... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

There's a maxim in warfare that you don't win the current war by refighting the last war. That's one of the biggest reasons why the Germans smashed the French in six weeks in 1940, because the French were prepared for a repeat of 1914-1918.

And it's the biggest reason why Bush and the GOP keep winning--often despite themselves--because the stuck-on-stupid Dems have yet to put fourth a platform that doesn't smack of bell-bottoms and flower power and smell like hippies that haven't bathed in three months.

"The more President Bush's ... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"The more President Bush's poll numbers rise"

Umm... he is still in the thirties. Are you in denial? He's a very unpopular President. Get over it.

jp2: Guess that means he wo... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

jp2: Guess that means he won't be running in '08; just hope that Rove has informed him of that.

jp2...actually his numbers ... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

jp2...actually his numbers are now hovering just above 40. but who cares? he can't get re-elected, and thus is not TRYING to get re-elected.

Instead he is doing what he needs to do...and the results are (gasp) actually starting to be noticed by the American people (at least those who aren't Dems).

Global War Against Islamo-Fascism: we are WINNING! Period. Zark's death was ICING on the cake...the actual "cake" was in his pocket! The thumb-drive contained documents that clearly showed them on the run...and LOSING! Everywhere!

Economy: we are WINNING. This is one of the strongest economies in U.S. history. And unlike the so-called "Dot Com" economy, THIS one has good fundamentals!

Immigration: ok...this issue is in doubt. BUT, at least everyone is talking about it, and the two bills to worked on in conference DO contain a few good things. Still, this is a sore point for Bush from both directions. The jury is out though.

Energy: The jury SHOULDN'T be out on this one. Congress is just out to lunch!! The Prez needs to pound on Congress to begin drilling in ANWR, and completely overhaul the U.S. coastal waters drilling regulations.

I'd rather have unpopular p... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

I'd rather have unpopular presidents like Lincoln, Truman and Dubya doing the right thing than popular benchwarmers like Clinton doing nothing.

"Instead he is doing what h... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"Instead he is doing what he needs to do..."

I know! That gay marriage amendment was exactly what this country needed.

A do-nothing President is n... (Below threshold)

A do-nothing President is not a bad idea, in a time when the country has no threat against it.

I think there are two lefts, the visible left and the invisible left. My lovely wife, as liberal as they come, is no Joe Wilson or Larry Johnson. If she were young enough, she'd be in Iraq fighting. She's part of the invisible left.

For all the publicity, Hillary is not saying very many stupid things. Invisible left. Kerry, well, he's visible left. The visible left is going no where, no matter what all the white kids at YKOS thought.

Clinton, Obama, et al, are the invisible left and are the real threat. We can waste far too much time and energy on the moonbats and forget that the real strength of the left is in the folks who don't say stupid things.

Right on Jippity queen 2 th... (Below threshold)
virgo1:

Right on Jippity queen 2 the return to venus...

JP2--Gay marriage? Is that ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

JP2--Gay marriage? Is that where you are allowed to adopt children so you don't have to roam the streets to find the next victim for your sick sexual abuse?
Lefties are worried (BS) about a few hundred 'volunteer' members of the military getting killed to free over 100 million people and protect the American people, but support the murder of 24,865 + babies per week.
Do you understand why we don't want you nuts in charge.
The only thing i've ever agreed with the nutty leaders of Islam is that part (dimwits) of the American people are so morally corrupt that they will eventually destroy the entire country to get themselves a front seat in hell.

jp2, typical and predictabl... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

jp2, typical and predictable. Instead of commenting on the substance that another poster put up to "bitch slap" your stupid comment, you respond with another stupid comment about a proposed constitutional amendment that has virtually no chance of being ratified.

Come on . . . use your brain a little. Try it and you may not have to wear that hat to much longer

Lorie, I am just c... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Lorie,
I am just curious about what you mean "the Reps getting into the gutter with Dems". Can you give me an example? Thanks.

JP2,you are definetly out o... (Below threshold)
serfer62:

JP2,you are definetly out of your element here. Perhaps you should try Logos instead of logic.

Love America, how about the senator from AZ.

My on site experience tells me we are winning well in the ME. That Rummy is a far seer is evident every day.The presidentknows what he is doing. And its a wondeful day in America. Again...

When election time comes, t... (Below threshold)
Omni:

When election time comes, the undecided voters will ask the Dems "What do you stand for?" and they'll reply "We're against Bush."

How many voters will by eager to join a party that doesn't stand FOR anything any more?

"Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything."

Poll question-"Do ... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Poll question-

"Do you approve of EVERYTHING the president does?"

Answer-

"No."

Result-

Presidents approval rating = 0.00%

My opinion-

Polls are a total waste of time!

EXACTLY!... (Below threshold)
virgo1:

EXACTLY!

Michael Baron has become on... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

Michael Baron has become one of my favorite political pundits. He really impressed me during the 2004 election returns with his detailed knowledge of voting history down to the local level in Ohio.

He's exactly right in saying that when we look back on the history of the last 8 years, we will look back with curiousity on the meida's/liberals actions. Actually I will probably look back and laugh my butt off.

JP2, I respect anyone's right to express their opinion but you need to realize that you sound like a complete and total idiot.

Actually ,there is one simi... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

Actually ,there is one similarity between Vietnam and Iraq: Both were opposed by ani-war, anit-American, pro-socialist liberals.

The difference is that back then they held influence. Today people just look at them and laugh.

Ha Ha Ha Ha''''''''''''''''... (Below threshold)
virgo1:

Ha Ha Ha Ha''''''''''''''''''''''''

The soimple fact is that th... (Below threshold)
Michael:

The soimple fact is that the Dimbo's are no longer an "acceptable alternative" like they were just 20 years ago.

MichaelThe dummacr... (Below threshold)
virgo1:

Michael

The dummacrats are'nt either!.....haha

Serfer62, if JP2 is out of ... (Below threshold)

Serfer62, if JP2 is out of his elements, just where on earth is scrapirun? "...A few hundred volunteer reservist getting killed to free one hundred million people..." Huh? Are you a complete moron? Here are some FACTS!!!! Iraq has closer to thirty (30) million people. But you seem like a pro life wack job so the one hundred (100) million you are counting are unborn babies. Right?

And there is a big difference between 2,500, and a few hundred. So show a little respect for those who gave their lives so that your ignorant behind can talk freely in a chat room, on a friday night, from the comfort of your trailer- park.

Geeez! And people wonder why I despise republican gang members.

FNFrom the comfort... (Below threshold)
virgo1:

FN

From the comfort of Your trailer park?

How'd You ever guess?

field negro - you must be s... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

field negro - you must be so proud of yourself to have such a clever name for your handle.

scrapiron has a lot of credibility here. He just mispoke in his haste to refute yet another asinine and dumbass post from JP2 and other wack jobs like yourself.

So, since you're in the mode of condemning people for mistakes, wackjob, I'll return the favor. You're leaving out Afghanistan, which brings the number of liberated to 50 million.

And do you actually know how many **reservists** have been killed?

SOme of the 2,500 dead are also, you know, Marines, regular Army and Guardsmen.

So who's the complete moron now, wackjob field negro?

Actually Big Mo , you are. ... (Below threshold)

Actually Big Mo , you are. For trying so hard to make a complete moron seem credible. But I guess birds of a feather...or is that hawks of a feather stick together.

And by the way, I love your name too. So subtle. Let me guess, you are a big guy with a real high IQ right? I mean that name Mo has enlightened written all over it.

Guys -- cool it with the ba... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Guys -- cool it with the back and forth name calling and attacks. I am all for free debate, but the debate is lacking in some of these comments.

Love America,
By my comment about the Republicans getting in the gutter with the Dems, I was just saying that Republicans that respond in kind to vicious comments like those made by Johnson will have them thrown back in their faces and brought up and used against them.

The Democrats cannot come u... (Below threshold)
SarahK:

The Democrats cannot come up with a specific plan (other than to cut & run) because there IS no other alternative. They keep complaining and moaning about the administration policies but they never give a specific plan for action because there IS no other plan. They're trying to counter out of desperation, hoping the people will fall for the desperation (i.e. Murtha, et al) and the people who are never polled (the silent majority) are not falling for it. At times in the recent past I was becoming worried about the Nov. elections, but each day, I grow less worried. The plan (the ONLY plan) is on and they just cannot deal with it.

Geeez! And people wonder wh... (Below threshold)
JannyMae:

Geeez! And people wonder why I despise republican gang members.

Posted by: field-negro

Ahh, yes. The party of tolerance, that criticises conservatives for being, 'full of hate.'

You can't make this stuff up!

SarahK, you don't know how ... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

SarahK, you don't know how right you are (and how timely your post is). Drudge has a link to the Dem's "New Direction for America" plan. Can you guess what it is?

Affordable health care, raising the minimum wage, opposing privitization of social security, lowering gas prices, and lowering energy costs. That's pretty much it.

Problem is, the 2 biggest issues facing the country today are not mentioned ONCE: terrorism, and immigration (although they have dropped the culture of corruption thing for now).

This is what they came up with after all the months of strategery? What a laugh!!!!!!

And is it just coincidence that this is released on Friday night when NO ONE (except us news junkies) are paying attention?

Folks, I'm starting to have a hard time not getting too overconfident about GOP GAINS this fall. How can you not when you see such incompetence from the leaders of a major party?

And Dick Morris says the Dem's are going to win back both Houses. Well, that does it for me. I'm not worried at all anymore. Since I've been following his predictions, the exact opposite of what he says happens. Every Time.

Lorie - understood and rece... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

Lorie - understood and received.

No, field negro, Big Mo has nothing to do with *my* size. Those who know me are aware that it is an homage to my skinny 6 foot 6 inch gandpa, who was known to his Army buddies in WWII as Big Mo.

Wrong Janny Mae, what you c... (Below threshold)

Wrong Janny Mae, what you can't make up is one of your own minimizing the death of our soldiers under the guise of protectng the life of the unborn.

So you tell me; who is full of hate?

And sorry Lorie, if I am attacked personally, I will not turn the other cheek. My daddy was a preacher, I am not.

field negro, I was a little... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

field negro, I was a little out of line in poking fun at your online handle. I'm genuinely intrested: what's the story behind it, if there is one?

And by the way, you should ... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

And by the way, you should know that I'm familiar with Jannymae and there's NO WAY she has or would EVER minimize the death of our soldiers. You are misinterpeting what she says, either willfully or out of ignorance.

Big Mo, I believe you. So I... (Below threshold)

Big Mo, I believe you. So I will give you the respect of telling why I use my handle because you did the same to me.

Malcolm X is one of my heroes from history, and his field-negro house-negro speech was one of his most famous. I liked the use of the analogy by Malcolm X to explain the split within the black community at the time. I think it's still relevant today, and I assocciate my philosophy of black self improvement more with the field-negro, (Hard work,and doing for self. Not depending on the massa's house, or the government to take care of us) than the house-negro who is more or less just comfortable living in the house and off the spoils that it offers.

I hope that explains it, and thinks for asking.

field-negro - thanks! That ... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

field-negro - thanks! That was definitely interesting. And a very useful analogy. The analogy could apply in some ways to some whites I know, too.

Big Moe, you are alright wi... (Below threshold)

Big Moe, you are alright with me. See, even though we disagree on alot of things, I bet we have more in common than we realize. So from here on out, I am a Big Moe fan. Now that doesn't mean we wont be going at each other in another thread down the line, but at least for now, it's all love between us.

Oh, and if he is still alive; please thank your grandfather for his service for me. If he is not, please accept my thanks on his behalf.

I know it ain't all good be... (Below threshold)
Martin A. Knight:

I know it ain't all good between us ... but ...

That was very cool field-negro ...

Very graceful.




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