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"I Don't Understand the Necessity for Patriotism"

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The Dixie Chicks are still whining about how people were mad at them for the nasty comments they made about President Bush. They didn't help themselves with their new comments:

The Chicks can't hide their disgust at the lack of support they received from other country performers. "A lot of artists cashed in on being against what we said or what we stood for because that was promoting their career, which was a horrible thing to do," says Robison.


"A lot of pandering started going on, and you'd see soldiers and the American flag in every video. It became a sickening display of ultra-patriotism."

"The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism," Maines resumes, through gritted teeth. "Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country... I don't see why people care about patriotism."

The Dixie Chicks should be thanking their lucky stars that they live in America. This country has given these women the opportunity to achieve the success and wealth that most people in this world could only dream of. They have the freedom to speak their minds about anything they want, including their dislike of the president and their lack of interest in patriotism. Why is it that they can't muster even a little respect or appreciation for the country that has given them such great opportunities?

Update: Michelle Malkin has a great photo roundup of soldiers and the American flag - the really sickening, ultra-patriotic stuff the Dixie Chicks hate.


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Comments (35)

The entire country may d... (Below threshold)

The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism

But of COURSE you don't dear.

Of course, they can say any... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Of course, they can say anything they / she wants of a political nature.

Of course, I can choose to spend my money on anything I want.

Regards,

Even snottier than the Chic... (Below threshold)
smitty:

Even snottier than the Chicks is the sneering condescension of the of the Telegraph:

"The Chicks have traditionally been branded as a country band, but clearly it's some time since their diet consisted of ribs, tacos and pancakes."

Take that! You dumbass rednecks, peckerwoods, white trash and inbred monkey people.

Shee-it! I'm gonna get me a mess o' ribs then drive my pick-up to the Klan meetin'.

Oh I think they have plenty... (Below threshold)
Len:

Oh I think they have plenty of respect and appreciation for the country that has given them such great opportunities. I think it's George W. Bush who they aren't so fond of. You see, there's a difference. George W. Bush isn't America, and vice versa. I think you can probably like one and the other not so much.

Besides, these are three country singers. Granted, they sing pretty and all, but why is everybody getting so gol-darned upset about what they say about George W.? You really think people in this country are simple enough that they are going to decide their political beliefs on the musings of three country singers?

Well, Len ... they pretty m... (Below threshold)

Well, Len ... they pretty much outright said they don't like America. Previously, they said they don't like Bush. And they don't understand or support patriotism.

Then they whine because other celebrities use their fame to speak out against them ... yet, they see no problem with them using their fame to make a political statement? In an entirely inappropriate venue, no less.

They can dislike Bush all they want. No one cares. I don't particularly like the majority of Bush's policies and politics myself. What people are ticked off about is HOW they say it, and when and where, and their outrage at the public reaction that followed ... as if somehow, because they sing all pretty and have some CDs sold, that their opinion has any higher authority than anyone else's.

It's the attitude, man ... and it sucks.

Len, methinks you missed th... (Below threshold)
cadjin:

Len, methinks you missed the point. It's not what they did or didn't say about GWB; it was where and how they said it (overseas before a London audience, with no apparent provocation). I thought it was an act of silly cowardice, because they never, ever would have said it in Texas Stadium. My thoughts were confirmed when Maines retracted her apology (again, another act of cowardice - it's clear now she didn't mean the apology in the first place but wanted to save face).

Anyway, I found this portion laughable:
"...they cashed in on being against what we said or what we stood for because that was promoting their career..."
This coming from a group whose new album - the first confrontational single and all - rests entirely on promoting their career for something they said/stood for. What rank hypocrisy.

The recent fawning news stories and ample interviews are not because they can all play instruments and sing. Good luck to them - I'm sure they'll find a new audience who will gravitate to them on that alone.

Hell, may as well chuck the fiddle and stay pissed. The microphones will always be there and you don't have to tour or record any new albums...just imply the other artists are jingoists and rubes. Sounds like easy money to me.

"Besides, these are thre... (Below threshold)

"Besides, these are three country singers. Granted, they sing pretty and all, but why is everybody getting so gol-darned upset about what they say about George W.? You really think people in this country are simple enough that they are going to decide their political beliefs on the musings of three country singers?

Of course not, Len. Only "dumbass rednecks, peckerwoods, white trash and inbred monkey people" would pay any attention to country singers. Now if we were talking about rock stars like Alanis Morissette or Bruce Springsteen? Those are political pundits worth listening to! (Much obliged, smitty.)

Len et al, if anything the ... (Below threshold)
ted:

Len et al, if anything the Dixie Chicks have confirmed that their trashing GWB the way they did abroad is unpatriotic. They are really simply stating that they are unpatriotic and don't see any reason for patriotism.

(Of course, the reason they can say this is precisely because America is so strong and they are so far removed from perceiving their survival as being dependent upon the survival of America.)

Let's just say that the dix... (Below threshold)

Let's just say that the dixie chicks need to be more articulate, for example they could've said that they don't see barriers on land and that they are more residents of the world than just a country....

If they renamed the group T... (Below threshold)

If they renamed the group The West Side of Manhattan Chicks they wouldn't have the same problem.

So, noize, if they were mor... (Below threshold)

So, noize, if they were more articulate they would have said what you think they meant. Maybe they meant exactly what they said.

"The entire country may ... (Below threshold)

"The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism," Maines resumes, through gritted teeth. "Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country... I don't see why people care about patriotism."

Maybe they should perform their next concert in burkas, or Saudi Arabia. Then, perhaps, they might understand the necessity for patriotism.

See, this is why no other c... (Below threshold)
Jane:

See, this is why no other country likes the US. Your excessive amount of patriotism. Your flags outside your homes. Your constant pride in all things American. It's weird. And somewhat creepy. Most other nations (You really should try leaving your country once in a while - Like the Chicks do!) don't do this. I live in Australia. We don't have Australian flags everywhere. I don't own one. I couldn't sing you our whole national anthem. Yet, amazingly enough, we don't wear burkas, nor do we live under a dictator. Think about it.

I don't have a problem with... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

I don't have a problem with their statements, or should I say, their right to say them. If that's their belief so be it.

It's their anger to people deciding they don't like the DC belief's and choosing to spend money elsewhere. That's the incredulous part...they want to scream about their right to say what they want but don't want to grant that right to anyone else.

The old saying is "You have the inalienable right to act like an ass. I have the inalienable right to treat you like one."

Len, et al, obviously read ... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Len, et al, obviously read the Dixie Dipshits statement and found the "hidden" message. So instead of I rant against Patriotism, or America DARING to not like them, it is a carefully coded message to those with de-coder rings. I obtained one (don't ask how) and have used it to show the REAL message:

"Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country... I don't see why people care about patriotism."


Well Jane,"(You re... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Well Jane,

"(You really should try leaving your country once in a while - Like the Chicks do!)"

And this is why many American's don't like a lot of other countrys. We get a little tired of the view that we are a bunch of ignorant unsophisticated rednecks far different from, and inferior too, the cultured and urbane Europeans.

Many of us have been out of the country plenty. Not sure how many other countries I've been too, but it's in excess of 20. I've seen plenty I like but have yet to find one I'd prefer to live in. That's a choice, not ignorance of superior alternatives.

This seems an appropriate t... (Below threshold)
pgg:

This seems an appropriate time to remember the aphorism:

"There are two types of Americans - those who provide freedom, and those who consume it."

Hmmmm.1. <blockquo... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

1.

... but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism .../blockquote>

This is frankly amazing to me.

Is there any single demographic in America, other than country & western music fans, who are more rabidly and openly patriotic? Well perhaps military veterans, but many of them are C&W music fans too. Right now there are music industry execs taking handfuls of prozac over this. I can't imagine this stuff going over well in the C&W fanbase.

I suppose in Maines worldview I was a freak for reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every morning as a child. But then again in rural New Hampshire being patriotic isn't exactly unusual.

2.

See, this is why no other country likes the US. Your excessive amount of patriotism. Your flags outside your homes.

*shrug* Perhaps you feel this way because you were, and I'm making an assumption here so correct me if I'm wrong, born in Australia.

I was born in South Korea and, through adoption, became a naturalized citizen.

I love America. I'm a patriot. I fly flags. I roundly denounce the French whenever the opportunity arises. I joined the United States Marine Corps to pay back some of what I felt I owed to America. Patriotism isn't a "for show" thing.

It's a public expression of both love of country, admiration for the national values *and* a public acknowledgement of a lifelong debt owed to that nation.

Frankly it's hard for anyone to understand patriotism unless and until they've experienced life in other places. From my personal experience America is a wonderful place, even with it's current and past problems. Perhaps you don't fly the Australian flag. Don't know the national anthem. But I'm probably safe in assuming that plenty of immigrants to your country do all of that. And if not, then I'd suggest you start worrying. A nation without patriots, isn't going to be a nation for very much longer.

Hmmmm.You... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

You really should try leaving your country once in a while - Like the Chicks do!

Actually I'd like to address this a little bit.

Here in America naturalized citizens are, in many cases, rabidly patriotic. It's almost a "more Catholic than the Pope" sort of thing. Your assumption is that many Americans have never travelled and that's why we're patriotic: because we're ignorant.

There are two answers to this:

1. Americans don't travel outside the country very much because there's not much point. America is a huge country with enormous variations in landscape, climate, culture, cuisine and everything else. I've tried to travel around the country to experience what I can but even so I've yet to see even a fraction of 1%.

Right now where I really want to go is to the pepper harvest festivals in the American SouthWest. A friend of mine went there a couple years ago and had a blast.

2. Many Americans *have* travelled to other countries. Frankly many Americans come from other countries so having experience with other countries isn't something new to them.

*shrug* personally I don't know if this can actually be explained to anyone through words. In large part it requires first-hand experience to really understand it.

See, this is why n... (Below threshold)
See, this is why no other country likes the US. Your excessive amount of patriotism.

That is crap. There are plenty of countries that like the U.S. There are also friends who like us for our economic and military assistance. Convenient allies so to speak.

I am going to go on the assumption that Jane is basing her statements on either a). a inherent and personal dislike of the U.S. for a myriad of reasons, Iraq, global warming, etc b.) the results of the latest Pew Research Center Global Attitudes poll.

In either case the statement is off base.

From an Australian (looking in from the outside) point of view Jane should be worried that her government is backing and allying with the United States to fight terrorism as of June 2006. They are also a trade partner through AUSFTA. There are many benefits for other countries that have segments of the population that may not agree with US foreign policy.

Australians generally back the US in the War on Iraq but attitudes suggest that many believe the U.S. isn't taking the concerns of Iraqi's into account on the rebuilding effort which is an unfortunate distortion that has been furthered by our own MSM that leans decidedly left.

The trend is for European Countries to have increasingly anti-US attitudes but Blair had it right when he said that the danger today was not that the Americans were too much involved in international affairs. The danger was that they might decide to pull up the drawbridge and disengage. The rest of the world benefits by having us as a friend and leftist anti-American sentiments seem to be manufactured in a vacuum.

The Latest Pew Opinion poll is even more interesting. Only four of the 14 U.S. allies sampled have a favorable (> 50%) opinion of the United States. The four allies are Great Britain, Nigeria, Japan and India. The dissenters in the poll are France, Germany, Spain, Russia, Indonesia, Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan, Turkey, and China.

What strikes me as odd about the Pew Research Poll is that they oversampled Muslims heavily in Great Britain, France, Germany and Spain and then 'adjusted' the samples to reflect the general population. This makes me suspect as nearly 50% of the respondents in each of those countries consisted on Muslims. Combine that with the other allies on the list that have a large population of Muslims and I believe that the poll is likely to reflect Muslim attitudes toward the United States; perhaps disproportionately,

This is just a theory based on a cursory look at the poll.

In any event, European attitudes are increasingly anti-American but as with everything, this isn't the rule and should be considered with a certain perspective.

Also, world cup fever demonstrates that the United States in not alone or wrong to be excessively patriotic. It's not like we are shoving images of our our houses with flags down Jane's throat. This is just how she chooses to look at it.

Maines: "You can like wh... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Maines: "You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country..."

THIS is the Leftist mantra on full display! There is NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT AMERICA! It's just dirt under your feet. And since Maines can afford LOTS of houses in LOTS of places, she can have different dirt beneath her feet all the time...thus NOTHING is special!

I can easily see Maines saying, after 9/11, "What's the big deal? TWO buildings...hell, we've got LOTS more buildings! Just look at New York...there's thousands of 'em!"

Maines, and her moronic ilk, have decided that since they are deeply UN-PATRIOTIC, they might as well call BEING patriotic stoooopid. I'd tell Maines to kiss my ass, but I don't want that bitch's mouth anywhere NEAR my ass!!

I read somewhere that Natal... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

I read somewhere that Natalie's husband's parents are Iranian.

Of course not, Len... (Below threshold)
Len:
Of course not, Len. Only "dumbass rednecks, peckerwoods, white trash and inbred monkey people" would pay any attention to country singers. Now if we were talking about rock stars like Alanis Morissette or Bruce Springsteen? Those are political pundits worth listening to!

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't let Morissette or Springsteen dictate my political beliefs, either. In fact, I'm not even sure which side of the fence either of them is on. Guess I'm just not "with it," eh?

For the record, I never said anything about "dumbass rednecks, peckerwoods, white trash and inbred monkey people." You did. My opinion of my fellow Americans is just a tad higher than that... even those who voted for George W.

Justrand is right on the mo... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

Justrand is right on the money. All this is the liberal mantra on display.

What I've wondered for a long time now is who the hect is telling them to say these things? We all know that these entertainers just repeat whatever garbage they are told to say. The Chicks probably aren't bright enought to realize that someone has just flushed their career down the drain the last 2 years.

I did read where they had to cancel a lot of dates on their upcoming tour (in the South of course). So the story does have a happy ending.

Maybe they could open for Barbara Streisand on her 5th farewell tour (by the way, wasn't she going to leave the country if Bush won in 2004)?

Yeah i do recall Babs sayin... (Below threshold)
914:

Yeah i do recall Babs saying something to that effect. She must figure Bush cheated so She dont have to keep Her word.

See, this is why no othe... (Below threshold)
Publican:

See, this is why no other country likes the US. Your excessive amount of patriotism. Your flags outside your homes. Your constant pride in all things American. It's weird. And somewhat creepy. Most other nations (You really should try leaving your country once in a while - Like the Chicks do!) don't do this. I live in Australia. We don't have Australian flags everywhere. I don't own one.

Jane, why do you care? What is the point of your condescension? If you don't believe in your country as much as we believe in ours, so be it. We are proud of our country. Ok, that's our choice. Ever stop to consider that our pride and patriotism is one of the principle ingredients of our success?

Now it's your turn to "Think about it".

See, this is why no oth... (Below threshold)

See, this is why no other country likes the US.
Great! I feel a lecture coming down from on-high.
Your excessive amount of patriotism. Your flags outside your homes. Your constant pride in all things American. It's weird. And somewhat creepy.
Really? Huh. I thought it was our sky-high prosperity that made people in other nations jealous. That and our unabashed 'religiosity'. (It's a big word for a big, dumb Amurrikan like myself...)

I just finished reading the... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

I just finished reading the entire acticle and a couple of things occurred to me:

1 - In the past, these lefist entertainers (and politicians) have defined their patriotism as being one where they challenged the actions of their country. Now Maines indicates she's not patriotic at all. This is probably a lot closer to the truth than the previous definition we've heard over and over again.

2 - It seems to me that the looney left is attempting to use the word "patriotic" to describe conservatives much like we use the name "liberal" to describe them. They see it as a negaive term - i.e. those dumb hicks in the South/Middle America who fly the flag, eat apple pie, sing (and get teary-eyed) about "purple mountains majesty", and go to Church on Sundays. What they don't realize is that this is a positive for us and just makes them appear as they really are - elitist, arrogant, and incresingly anti-American. Personally I don't care anymore whether it stems from their hatred of Bush or not. That's just an excuse. I wasn't particularly fond of Bill Clinton, but I didn't root against our military when they were called upon during his Administration (in fact, most Conservatives felt we should have made a stand in Mogadishu instead of cutting and running).

So instead of being angry about the Dixie Chicks and those who think like them, we should proudly affirm what they are saying about us: we ARE patriotic, we DO believe that America is special, and most importantly, we listen to "America the Beautiful" a lot more often than "Goodbye Earl".

Oh yeah, and we vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I was going to post s... (Below threshold)
Cousin Dave:

Well, I was going to post something about how leftist thought credits itself with inherent moral superiority, and all that. But then I realized that there's no point. This happened when it dawned on me that Maines has not expressed any consistent philosophy about anything; she hasn't done anything except spew raw emotion. (In fact, it dawns on me that for a singer and lyricist, she is remarkably inarticulate.) For whatever reason, Maines has chosen to drown herself in the sea of misanthropy. There's no reason why I, or anyone else, have to let ourselves be dragged down with her. Do whatever you want, Natalie; I'm swimming for shore.

"I dont understand the nece... (Below threshold)
914:

"I dont understand the necessity for patriotism"

And sadly You never will..

i know dozens and dozens of... (Below threshold)
rombo:

i know dozens and dozens of aussies, more than i can count and i count well and have a pretty good memory, but i couldn't list all my aussie friends and acquaintances without fail. the aussies i know are a pretty patriotic lot, extremely proud of being aussie and their country and make no excuse for that pride, so much so that they're proud of being ardent aussies. the aussies i know come from all walks of life - businessmen, bankers, tradesmen, bartenders, doormen, pilots, immigrants and native born, from all over oz, all parts of the eastcoast, wa and down south. i can think of a few who probably suffer from that lefty malady that causes one to hate their homeland and blame it for the ills of the world, but the patriotic aussies far out number those few suffering that lefty malady. i'm just back in america after 7 weeks in indonesia(sumatra, bali and java) and i didn't find much dislike, much less hatred of america. i know i could find it in certain areas of the country, areas where the muslim imams/clerics hold sway and blame america, the west and israel for all their problems. but the indonesians i had contact with had no problem with me being an american or america in general. many would give their left arm to become an american, probably for economic reasons, but how much could they hate america and still be so willing to come to america? as a side note, an aussie lady i know casually, married to a balinese man for years(they have two pre-teen kids), told me she was hoarse from shouting at the tv screen, urging on the aussie soccer team during their world cup game. she added she wasn't a soccer fan, didn't really care much about sports, but said it sure felt good to cheer on the boys. and i know she is no right winger.
most of the rest of the world doesn't hate america, only the loony, lefty losers and not all of them.

Len:To not know th... (Below threshold)

Len:

To not know the political persuasions of Springsteen and Morissette one would almost have to be living in a cave, but whatever. Maybe I should have used Streisand.

The phrase "dumbass rednecks, peckerwoods, white trash and inbred monkey people" was borrowed from a commenter in this thread named smitty, whom I acknowleged at the end of the paragraph. I used it as part of my sarcastic reply to the smug, condescension of your comment. Sorry if that wasn't plain to you.

Hmmm.What a strang... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

What a strange thing to discuss.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm????... (Below threshold)
John:

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm????

Buy our records, attend our concerts, and keep us in the big bucks. But, here is a big kick in your A$$ cause we hate you patriotic jackasses. We hate everything you stand for. We hate everything that's USA. See ya at the concert Dumbass so we can offend you some more!!!!

Dix Chicks

CD 15.00 bucks, concert tickets 75.00 bucks...and a swift kick in the ass from these gals....PRICELESS....LOL

BUSH IS A TERRORIST!! and p... (Below threshold)
Wendy:

BUSH IS A TERRORIST!! and patriots of this great thief of a nation only use it when its financially convinient.




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