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AP Only Telling Half the Story On Soldier's Uncle

The AP's story on the uncle of Army Pfc. Kristian Menchaca criticizing the U.S. for not "having a plan" pretty much portrays him as a sympathetic fellow. For the purpose of context, I'll clip the whole thing here:

Missing Soldier's Uncle Criticizes U.S.

DALLAS -- The uncle of a U.S. soldier who disappeared after a firefight in Iraq lashed out at the government Tuesday after learning two bodies had reportedly been found not far from where his nephew and another soldier were last seen.

"The news is going to be heartbreaking for my family," Ken MacKenzie, uncle of Army Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, told NBC's "Today" show. "Because the U.S. government did not have a plan in place, my nephew has paid for it with his life," he said.

MacKenzie said he had not received confirmation from the U.S. military that his nephew had been found. Iraqi Maj. Gen. Abdul-Aziz Mohammed announced the finding in a statement early Tuesday. U.S. Maj. Doug Powell said he could not confirm the report.

The Iraqi military official said the bodies of Menchaca, 23, of Houston, and Army Pfc. Thomas Lowell Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore., had been found on a street in Youssifiyah, just south of Baghdad. The two had been manning checkpoints in Iraq when they were attacked Friday and another soldier with them was killed.

A group that includes al-Qaida in Iraq claimed Monday it had kidnapped the two soldiers, but it did not name them and the U.S. military was skeptical of the claim. More than 8,000 U.S. and Iraqi troops have been searching for the missing men.

"I think the U.S. government was too slow to react to this," MacKenzie said. "They should have had a plan in place."

MacKenzie said the government should have offered a $100 million reward and offered to exchange mujahideen detainees for the soldiers' lives. It seized enough money from Saddam Hussein to afford it, he said.

In Madras, Ore., Tucker's hometown, yellow ribbons adorn the trees and store reader boards offer prayers of hope for his safe return.

Tucker's relatives declined interviews but released the text of a phone message Monday that Tucker recently left on an answering machine, telling his mother to be proud of him.

"I'm defending my country," Tucker says on the recording. "Tell sis and my nephews hello for me, I'm OK, I'm on my way."

The family said in a statement that their son had joined the military because he wanted to "do something positive." They also sent their sympathy to the family of Spc. David J. Babineau, 25, of Springfield, Mass., who was killed in the attack.

Lyndsay Kowaleski, a high school classmate of Tucker's, described "a sense of helplessness."

"Our hearts are broken with our friend being in this situation," she said.

A sad story to be sure... But the AP story is based on an interview Ken MacKenzie had with the Today show. And a transcript of the show makes the uncle a little less sympathetic and a bit more irrational. Via Newsbusters:

Lauer was interviewing Ken MacKenzie, a well-spoken, well-informed uncle to PFC Kristian Menchaca. Asked Lauer:

"A group linked to al-Qaeda on its website has claimed that they actually took Kristian and another soldier. What's your reaction to that?"

Replied MacKenzie::
"My reaction is the United States government should have immediately notified these Shura Council mujahadeen that the United States government was offering a $100-million reward and offering to exchange the 2,500 mujahadeen detainees that Prime Minister al-Maliki of Iraq plans to release several weeks from now. I think the U.S. government was too slow to react to this, they should have had a plan in place. Because the U.S. government did not have a plan in place, my nephew has paid for it with his life."

Lauer:
"Let me just interrupt for a second. Obviously the U.S. has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists. We do have reports that up to 8,000 troops, U.S. and Iraqis, are out searching for your nephew and also reward money is being offered in Baghdad or in the area for any information leading to the finding of your nephew. Are you suggesting that you think the U.S. government should pay a ransom?"

MacKenzie didn't mince words:
"Yes. The ransom is available from Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath party funds seized by the U.S. government. More than $100 billion in cash and gold, that the U.S. government apparently had plans to return to the government of Iraq. I would think that that money, part of it, could be used to pay ransom. That would not be coming out of U.S. taxpayer pockets, by the way. It could be paid out of the bank account where it now reposes. I think that that money should have been earmarked for this type of a hostage situation."

Lauer again challenged the suggestion:
"Mr. MacKenzie, obviously you are dealing with this as a personal and a family tragedy. I can certainly understand that, but wouldn't that then make it very profitable for terrorists in Iraq and other parts of the world to kidnap westerners because they could reap huge amounts of money from it?"

MacKenzie:
"Yes, but they are doing that anyway. I don't know if that would escalate or encourage them to kidnap more westerners and more U.S. soldiers. But I rather doubt it. My concern is the humanitarian concern.

With all respect due a grieving family member, it's a good thing this guy's "plan" never existed. At 100 million bucks per kidnapping, every Iraqi in the country would be kidnapping U.S. soldiers. (Heck, I might snatch a few)

While the media loves to talk about "balance" we got none in this story. (save one line) If the uncle's criticism of the U.S. not having "a plan" is newsworthy then so too is the context in which his criticism is offered.

The bottom line is this. By selective editing, the AP report -distorted, not reported- the content of the interview.

H/T to talksmack


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Comments (80)

You are being very generous... (Below threshold)

You are being very generous giving the AP credit for half. I'd say that they reported a smidgen of the story.

Would we have heard about t... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Would we have heard about this at all if the family didn't have criticsm for the war and the goverment's execution of the war?

I'm not blaming the man for feeling the way he does, however I think most people will realize why we don't negotiate or pay ransoms.

I dont think the first thin... (Below threshold)
914:

I dont think the first thing the AP or any news organization should be doing is sticking a microphone in the face of someone going thru this. They are apt to say just about anything, none of which should be taken as rational thought.

How dare you criticize him?... (Below threshold)
Master Shake:

How dare you criticize him? He has moral authority that you don't have!

/Jersey Girls

I don't see a big "lack of ... (Below threshold)
Craig:

I don't see a big "lack of context" issue here. The one sentence that the AP used as a quote of that Uncle's "Plan" was descriptive enough to tell me that his idea was problematic at best.

He is speaking from a very personal and family-protective viewpoint, and is not concerned right now with any "big picture" thinking.

yeah, folks, real unpatriot... (Below threshold)
pete maguire:

yeah, folks, real unpatriotic of AP (not to mention this guy's so-called uncle) not to take the opportunity to rejoice. I mean,the kid got the chance to give his life as payback for 9/11 and to achieve liberty and uh, whatever . . .

It wouldn't have mattered i... (Below threshold)
T.G. Scott:

It wouldn't have mattered if we had offered a ransom to these people. They would have murdered these soldiers anyway. The only way others have been spared through such bribery is that they were in cahoots with the enemy anyway. I don't believe in "helping" these rock-throwing, knife wielding wastes of DNA any longer. I say it's time for a hostile takeover for sure. Scour the land of all men who are old enough to be insurgents, plant a U. S. flag, and let's call it the United States of the Middle East.

The bottom line is this.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The bottom line is this. By selective editing, the AP report -distorted, not reported- the content of the interview.

Bullshit. From the AP story:

MacKenzie said the government should have offered a $100 million reward and offered to exchange mujahideen detainees for the soldiers' lives. It seized enough money from Saddam Hussein to afford it, he said.

That's pretty much what he said in the quotes you added, right? Is your problem that the AP just summarized his opinion instead of using those quotes?

Weak.

The problem stems fr... (Below threshold)


The problem stems from the media interviewing family members who are in the midst of a horrific crisis. All of us would want the US government to spend millions and even billions to free our loved ones - it's only natural.

But, check out this BIASED BBC ARTICLE - they make it appear that the uncle is blaming us for being in Iraq and the BBC never mentions the statement by the insurgents in which they said they killed the "crusader animals"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5098186.stm

Amen!! 'THANK YOU!!!' T.G.... (Below threshold)
K.W.:

Amen!! 'THANK YOU!!!' T.G.Scott! You had the balls to say what I bet so many Americans are afraid to say d/t the liberal media backlash that would likely ensue. I couldn't agree MORE! God bless all the men and women, both fallen and still fighting, for the United States. The American people owe them NOTHING but gratitude, humility, and respect for fighting so much for a country that is more concerned with biting off its nose to spite its face. Thank you T.G. Scott for your hardline-no-BS approach; that's what this country needs.

You know at $100 million, I... (Below threshold)
yetanotherjohn:

You know at $100 million, I can see market forces that could work to increase the "humanitarian conerns" and and save money. Instead of having the groups be paid a ransom for kidnapping, have them bid on not kidnapping. They have to agree not to kidnap and then they can enter the 'dutch auction'. We start with $100 million and groups can bid that or less to not kidnap someone. The lowest bid gets the money. Another auction would be held next week. I suspect the weekly auction would bottom out in the low $100s, making the 100 million last a long time.

Mantis,The point is ... (Below threshold)
GS:

Mantis,
The point is that the uncle said "Because the U.S. government did not have a plan in place, my nephew has paid for it with his life." and that was reported in the media. If you remember John Kerry, his only talking point was we need a "plan" to get out of the war. And the AP implies that this is the plan that the uncle was talking about. When the whole statement is read the uncle is talking about a battle plan for when hostages are takes, and I agree with him on that. Though I do not agree with releasing prisoners nor supporting terrorism with money when hostages are taken. Nor do I think a battle plan would make a difference, since the military certainly can't perform a home by home search without any specific evidence that the prisoners would be there.

We don't need to kill every... (Below threshold)
serfer62:

We don't need to kill everyone Scott.Iraq is working out very well. This is an act of desperation that might ignite a very harsh reaction against the terrorists

Zorkos replacement seems condemmed to repeat all of the zarks mistakes.Look for a banner headline of his death soon...

The point is that the un... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The point is that the uncle said "Because the U.S. government did not have a plan in place, my nephew has paid for it with his life." and that was reported in the media.

The point is that the media reported what he said? Well, that's not Paul's point; his is quite clear. But let's check out your "point".

If you remember John Kerry, his only talking point was we need a "plan" to get out of the war. And the AP implies that this is the plan that the uncle was talking about.

Umm, no. Read the AP quote again:

"I think the U.S. government was too slow to react to this," MacKenzie said. "They should have had a plan in place."

How exactly does this imply that MacKenzie is not only not talking about the hostage/kidnapping situation, but is actually referring to Kerry's "plan"? It's actually quite clear what he's talking about, the AP doesn't imply anything about Kerry, and you should really get over the guy who did not win the election.

This should not even be rep... (Below threshold)
UncleZeb:

This should not even be reported. Not news but a grieving family member. Leave them alone we know they are in pain why make this worse. MSM is scum.

lauer actually asked a fair... (Below threshold)
tim:

lauer actually asked a fairly tough guestion! that is the real story there! maybe he will continue with some form of objective inquiry in the future as well!

the families of the victims cannot be accountable for their remarks. yet.

Keep this mind everyone:</p... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Keep this mind everyone:

It's going to be a bad, bad several days and weeks to be a bad guy in and around Youssifiyah.

Time to meet your 72 virgins, assholes.

TG Scott, you sound like yo... (Below threshold)
pete maguire:

TG Scott, you sound like you've OD-ed on Chuck Norris movies.

I say it's time for a hostile takeover for sure. Scour the land of all men who are old enough to be insurgents, plant a U. S. flag, and let's call it the United States of the Middle East.

It ain't the United States of anything. And fantasies about wiping out everyone who doesn't whistle Dixie is a sign of desperation. You're 2,500 US corpses into this war and by the time Bush goes you'll be down 6,000 bodies, minimum. It will take a further 3,000 or so before you can bomb and beg your way to the negotiating table, where some Saddam-like butcher will take the wreck of Iraq off your hands.
Hug your kids - they're queuing up to be butchered. Sure, you'll kill thirty Iraqis for every US soldier, and maybe that'll make you feel good. Specially if you're sitting at home, stroking your patriotism, making threats you'll never have to personally follow through.

TG Scott:Keep your... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

TG Scott:

Keep your wits about you. It seems you haven't learned anything about why we're there in the first place. It has nothing to do with planting an American flag, or purposefully killing innocent people.

While I'm a proponent of meeting force with force where applicable, pulling a Saddam on the Iraqi people by going on a bloody rampage through the country, will undo everything positive we've done and are doing...not to mention insure those two soldiers and everyone else that has died for a better Iraq will have done so in vain.

mantis if the story was abo... (Below threshold)
Paul:

mantis if the story was about his apprearance on the Today show, it failed to give an accurate depiction of what happened.

Sorry.

Just found this on CNN, app... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Just found this on CNN, apparently some family members feel differently.

Menchaca's uncle, Mario Vasquez, said family members were distraught, and were waiting to receive the body before making any arrangements. Earlier, some family members heard of the possible discovery through the media, before being notified by the military, Vasquez said.

"I wish they'd punish the people that do these kinds of things right away, instead of taking forever and spending millions of dollars," Vasquez said. "I think, you capture them, make them pay for what they did. Don't think that it's just two more soldiers. Don't negotiate anything. They [the killers] didn't. They didn't negotiate it with my nephew. They didn't negotiate it with Tucker."

I guess we can expect a beh... (Below threshold)
McCain:

I guess we can expect a beheading video by the end of the week.

pete maguire... you're an i... (Below threshold)
bobby:

pete maguire... you're an idiot.

Seems AP also edited Tucker... (Below threshold)
parker:

Seems AP also edited Tucker's phone message text for effect. Omitted from the quoted message in the article is Tucker's injunction to family to be proud of him for serving the country.

The sh*ts.

Excellent post, Paul. ... (Below threshold)
Kim:

Excellent post, Paul.

Pete Maguire, your stupidit... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Pete Maguire, your stupidity is truly a sight to behold. So you're saying that in the next two years 3,500 US troops are going to die in the war in Iraq? I obviously don't have the match skills that you have, but that would mean for the next 30 months we're going to loose an average of over 100 soldiers per month?

Since the war started, we've lost (and I say we meaning everyone but you since you're obviously some pathetic wanker from some other shithole country) over 100 troops in a month 3 times in roughly 3 plus years. But, based on your comments, I'm to believe that these numbers are going to climb to over 100 per month for the next 2.5 years?

Right.

My only hope is that they don't let you breed.

Leave it to the heartless w... (Below threshold)

Leave it to the heartless wingnuts of Wizbang to smear a grief-stricken Uncle in his hour of grief - a man so grief-stricken that he could barely make the morning talk show rounds to slam Bush and the U.S. military, choking back tears as he demanded Bush give Al Qaida a $100 million cash advance on their next beheading.

Shame on you!

Hey, the way I feel, the "i... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Hey, the way I feel, the "insurgents" in Iraq should have repaid in kind every bit of the torture visited up THEIR people at the hands of US troops and the hands of the American goverment !

They should have "waterboarded" them for weeks on end, sicced rabid dogs on them endlessly, forced them to stand for days in uncomfortable....even EXCRUSIATING (sp) positions.....forced them to stay awake for days on end....These guys were LUCKY that they only suffered a a beating and then a quick death by beheading !

What goes around, COMES AROUND ! Maybe NEXT time, the US goverment will take seriously the conventions it signed in Geneva !

Maybe NEXT time, t... (Below threshold)
Mark A. Flacy:
Maybe NEXT time, the US goverment will take seriously the conventions it signed in Geneva !
Maybe you should read the Geneva Convention before posting comments like this.

All the "insurgents" are authorized by the Convention is a field tribunal and a summary execution. POWs have protections under the Convention which they do not.

Pretty sure that was satire... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Pretty sure that was satire, Mark.

No, actually.......not a wh... (Below threshold)
kruane:

No, actually.......not a whit of satire !

as for YOU, Mark my boy........

So, the "War in Iraq" wasn't ACTUALLY a "war" as such, hey ? "War" was never declared, huh ? So, if "War" was never declared, explain to me how there are 130,000 of our troops sitting in a soveriegn nation ? AHHHHHH, I see.....another one of those "play with words" that the United States is so adept at in order to evade it's CONTRACTUAL responsibilities! So, do we call this, like Vietnam.......a....ahem......"Police Action" ? Oh yes....you are correct...George Bush (who would have thunk it) invented a whole NEW term 5 years ago ! "Enemy Combatants", I believe the term was ?

Now, if there was never a "war" declared, and those people who are fighting the invasion of the US are simply "enemy Combatants".....why was George Bush (AND his father) so quick to invoke "Geneva Convention" protections when Jessica Lynch was captured ? Or his father before him, during that FIRST...ahem....."police action" and that pilot was shot down, and his picture splashed all over the media bruised & bloodied....George Sr. TOO invoked "Geneva Convention" protections in his complaint to the world media about the pilots "treatment" !

You can't have it both ways, Jerkoff......though I'm sure both you AND George W. Bush would like it to BE that way !

I see your point, kruane. ... (Below threshold)
moseby:

I see your point, kruane. As long as we're throwin out the geneva convention, I like Tim's plan...Nukes and more nukes, and muslim-maggot blood turning the persian gulf into the Red Sea... Giddy-up!!!

Moseby -"Nukes and... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Moseby -

"Nukes and more nukes, and muslim-maggot blood turning the persian gulf into the Red Sea... Giddy-up!!!"

One can only HOPE ! Hopefully, N. Korea will sell these new, long-range missles world-wide.....There won't be too many more of these.....ahem.......unilateral "police actions" in the American future (Not when there are nuclear tipped missles ready to be rammed down the throat of the continental US from 40 countries or MORE ) !

AHHHHHH....FINALLY the USA gets the commuppance it so richly deserves !

Liberal Larry at June 21, 2... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

Liberal Larry at June 21, 2006 12:09 AM

Leave it to the heartless wingnuts of Wizbang to smear a grief-stricken Uncle in his hour of grief [snip] Shame on you!

Once again, L.L. proving that the left places 'victims' on a pedestal that we cannot disagree with. "How dare you attack them?!?"

I call Bulls**t.

My sympathies are with the families of the 3 soldiers killed by these barbarians in an ambush, and all families of the 2500 that have been lost in Iraq. I honor their service. But this does not make any of the family members immune to criticism or disagreement when they say something stupid.

And Kruanna wins the award ... (Below threshold)
914:

And Kruanna wins the award for the most anti American drive by moron of the year award..Hope You choke on it SFBs.

Coward Clown -"And... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Coward Clown -

"And Kruanna wins the award for the most anti American drive by moron of the year award..Hope You choke on it SFBs."

Hey, the USA EARNED the world's contempt !

I agree with you kruane...b... (Below threshold)
moseby:

I agree with you kruane...but they also FEAR us too and that is GOOD!!!

Moseby -"I agree w... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Moseby -

"I agree with you kruane...but they also FEAR us too and that is GOOD!!! "

Well, not once a plethera of these formerly "invade-able" countries (such as Venuzuela, Iran, Panama, ect, etc ) have a nice solid little Nuclear weapons program, along with those kewl, sleek inter-continental ballistic missles that N. Korea would be PROUD to export !

And rightfully so ! Why should nations such as Venuzuela , Cuba, Nicaragua (Remember Noriega ?) have to always be looking over thier shoulders, always fearful of US-Backed assasination attempts ? (Or for that matter, Unilateral invasions by the US....or US SPONSORED nations ? )

MIGHT does not necessarily make RIGHT !

kruane spewed at June 21, 2... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

kruane spewed at June 21, 2006 02:49 PM

Nicaragua (Remember Noriega ?)

Any doubt that kruane has any intelligence, rational thought process, or even a leg to stand on in any type of debate has been thrown out the door.

Hey kruane, Noriega was the President of PANAMA, you freaking moron! Take you troll business elsewhere, you have nothing . . . .repeat, nothing!

What a horses ass . . .

David*SSWIPE blew out his *... (Below threshold)
kruane:

David*SSWIPE blew out his *ss -

H"ey kruane, Noriega was the President of PANAMA,"

Whatever....Just another of the 10 or 20 nations the USA has unilaterally invaded over the past twenty years....

EXACTLY proving my point !

kruane dribbel at June 21, ... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

kruane dribbel at June 21, 2006 03:26 PM

Just another of the 10 or 20 nations the USA has unilaterally invaded over the past twenty years....

Oh really? Name them you paranoid moron, just try.

Remember, points off if the country posed a threat to the Unites States or if the United States was asked to provide support.

You've been smacked in the face with a virtual glove, can you back your stupid assertion up Skippy?

DavidNutsack blowed -... (Below threshold)
kruane:

DavidNutsack blowed -

"Oh really? Name them you paranoid moron, just try."
Ok, I;m sorry...I meant 60 years...since 1950...


How many Nations has the UNITED STATES invaded in the past 60 years ?

let's see, shall we ?

Korea ...that's one .
Vietnam....That's two.
Cambodia....That's three.
Granada .... that's four.
Nicaragua....that's five.
Panama.......that's six.
Somolia......that's seven.
The former Yugoslavia....That's eight.
Afganistan.....That's nine.
Iraq (twice)....That's ten & eleven.

AND THAT IS ONLY IN THE PAST 60 YEARS ! No other nation on EARTH has that kind of record ! Not China, Not Russia, Not Cuba, Not Iran, Iraq, N.Korea ! NOT ALL OF THEM PUT TOGETHER !

And that's not even including the "covert" operations in Cuba, Venuzuela, and other nations ....in abortive attempts to assasinate heads of state ! ! !

Now, who is the REAL "Terrorist" nation !

DO ! Please Enlighten me !

There are 2 types of countr... (Below threshold)
moseby:

There are 2 types of countries out there. Those that agree with/help us and those that are IN THE WAY. Those that are in the way will soon have a red, white and blue jackboot crushing their throats--and deservedly so. BTW, to the Victors go the SPOILS!

Moseby -"Victors g... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Moseby -

"Victors go the SPOILS!"

Keep that in mind, when 30 years down the road....those 40 nations with Nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic ram them up America's ass !

kruane drooled at June 21, ... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

kruane drooled at June 21, 2006 03:46 PM

Ok, I;m sorry...I meant 60 years...since 1950...


How many Nations has the UNITED STATES invaded in the past 60 years ?

let's see, shall we ?

Korea ...that's one .
Vietnam....That's two.
Cambodia....That's three.
Granada .... that's four.
Nicaragua....that's five.
Panama.......that's six.
Somolia......that's seven.
The former Yugoslavia....That's eight.
Afganistan.....That's nine.
Iraq (twice)....That's ten & eleven.

AND THAT IS ONLY IN THE PAST 60 YEARS ! No other nation on EARTH has that kind of record ! Not China, Not Russia, Not Cuba, Not Iran, Iraq, N.Korea ! NOT ALL OF THEM PUT TOGETHER !

And that's not even including the "covert" operations in Cuba, Venuzuela, and other nations ....in abortive attempts to assasinate heads of state ! ! !

How typically disingenuous, you state 10 or 20 in the past twenty and then when challenged, you can't even make the grade.

OK Skippy, point off for Korea, we were part of the UN response to the North's invasion of the South, do a little more reading on the subject.

Point off for Cambodia, since we did not invade, while there was action occurring there, is was in response to the North's using it as a staging ground for it's attacks in the south, nice try.

Point off for Nicaragua, we never invaded in recent history, we provided arms and advisers to the opposition, just as did Cuba, so at best it's a wash, but certainly not an invasion.

So that reduces your numbers down to 8 and I could quibble about a couple more, but why? You've already proven how disingenuous you are and more clearly displayed your paranoia a delusion. You should take a closer look at the Russian numbers if you are going to use them as a comparison against the United States.

Does your doctor know that you've stopped taking your medication?

DavidNumbNuts suckedled -</... (Below threshold)
kruane:

DavidNumbNuts suckedled -

"OK Skippy, point off for Korea, we were part of the UN response to the North's invasion of the South, do a little more reading on the subject. "

Right.....but once the US crossed the national border of N. Korea.....it became an INVASION....Shall I look up the definition of what an invasion is, or would you even understand it when I DO post it !

"Point off for Cambodia, since we did not invade, while there was action occurring there, is was in response to the North's using it as a staging ground for it's attacks in the south, nice try."

Again.....US troops crossed into Cambodian territory.....Qualifyng as an INVASION...Here...let me go look that one up for you, since you seem to be stuck as to what an INVASION might be, shall I ?

"invasion - the act of invading; the act of an army that invades for conquest or plunder
penetration, incursion - an attack that penetrates into enemy territory
inroad - an invasion or hostile attack"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invasion

There...Happy now ?


Point off for Nicaragua, we never invaded in recent history, we provided arms and advisers to the opposition, just as did Cuba, so at best it's a wash, but certainly not an invasion.

We DIDN'T ?

"inroad - an invasion or hostile attack"
CIA infiltration is not a "hostile attack" ?
YOUR ASS !

Any OTHER way I can assist in your "edumacation", numbnuts ?

DavidNutLicker slurped -</p... (Below threshold)
kruane:

DavidNutLicker slurped -

"Point off for Nicaragua, we never invaded in recent history, we provided arms and advisers to the opposition, just as did Cuba, so at best it's a wash, but certainly not an invasion.

Ahhhh...But see.....Cubans were INVITED by the INTERNATIONALLY recognized goverment.....whereas, the CIA were assisting rebels...damn...dare I say it...."insurgents" & "terrorists"

VASSSSSTTTTTLLLLLYYYYY different, Einstien ! ! !

DavidScabNibbler -</... (Below threshold)
kruane:

DavidScabNibbler -

I rather THOUGHT not !

MORE than enough "edumacation" for today, hey ?

Come back tomorrow, and we'll move on to the second grade level, shall we ?

Again, back to bitch slap k... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

Again, back to bitch slap kruane around, it's just becoming to easy . . .

Right.....

Well of course I was you troll . . .

but once the US crossed the national border of N. Korea.....it became an INVASION....

I guess you're excusing the initial invasion by North Korea troll? It was a war that we should have used all of the resources available at the time, short of nuclear, to win. If we had we would not be discussing that threat of a nuclear North Korea.

Again.....US troops crossed into Cambodian territory.....Qualifyng as an INVASION...

Again, excusing the INVASION by The North that was occuring daily. The Pro-Western and militarily weak Khmer Republic could do nothing to keep the North from using Cambodia as a staging area and by your little definition, it don't work, you see the phrase about enemy, right?

Ahhhh...But see.....Cubans were INVITED by the INTERNATIONALLY recognized goverment

You need to read back a little further there Skippy. There were Cuban advisers and arms on the ground in Nicaragua before the Contras were the recognized Government.

I would consider this truly amazing, just how disingenuous you really are, but for your type it's typical.

I'm through, someone else want to feed this troll, or shall we just let him starve?

Dave-"I guess you'... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Dave-

"I guess you're excusing the initial invasion by North Korea troll? It was a war that we should have used all of the resources available at the time, short of nuclear, to win. If we had we would not be discussing that threat of a nuclear North Korea."

I'm not "excusing" ANYTHING.....you asked for evidence of "invasion", I provided it. SHEat....I even had to point out to you the LITERAL definition of what an invasion is ! (And not the George Bush spin of what constitutes an "invasion" )

"I'm through,"

Of COURSE you are !

kruane,For what it... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

kruane,

For what it's worth, if I was in a room with you right now I'd kill you.

Eat shit and die you pathetic little turd.

Here's one comment - by mos... (Below threshold)
pete maguire:

Here's one comment - by moseby, a patriotic american who dreams of stomping on people with his jackboots.

There are 2 types of countries out there. Those that agree with/help us and those that are IN THE WAY. Those that are in the way will soon have a red, white and blue jackboot crushing their throats--and deservedly so. BTW, to the Victors go the SPOILS!

Here's another, by Jack Burton, whose respect for democratic argument is such that he rants:

For what it's worth, if I was in a room with you right now I'd kill you.

Totalitarian fantasies - the kind of wet dreams that Saddam used to have. For this, you send your kids out to die by the thousand.

Hell in a handbasket.

"For what it's worth, if I ... (Below threshold)
kruane:

"For what it's worth, if I was in a room with you right now I'd kill you."

You're not worth much, but go ahead and bring it on, ya little p*ssy !

Pete,Saying that o... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Pete,

Saying that our soldiers deserved it is not democratic argument, so go fuck yourself you little puke.

kruane,

You little fuckface. Please tell me you live in the US and I'll walk if I have to to find you and beat your fucking ass to a pulp. Where can I find your worthless fucking ass? You belittle the lives of our soldiers and make moral equivalence with them and a bunch of scum terrorists.

Where are you keyboard warrior?

Right up here in upstate... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Right up here in upstate NY, Buttmunch !...C'mon up !

Duhhhhh....ya, get itto yer peekup, hang a left at yer cowys, (dunt for get to stop for some sexual relations WITH that cow....we know how you unedumacated southern rednecks like sex with anymals !)......and head due north, asswipe !

Or was that your MOTHER ... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Or was that your MOTHER & SISTER you southern, tabbacer-chawin' rednecks are know to be "partshal" to ? Or maybe BOTH female relatives AND dem dare furm anymals ?

So your little bitch ass li... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

So your little bitch ass lives here and you talk about our soldiers and our Country like that? The fact that your breath the same air as our soldiers sickens me.

You are fucking a worthless piece of shit.

Go ahead, create an anonymous hotmail account and post how i can get ahold of you, if only for a few moments. After that, delete it so nobody else can find your worthless ass.

I know upstate really well so it should be no problem.

Go ahead fucker. I'll wait.

But do...DO wake me up w... (Below threshold)
kruane:

But do...DO wake me up when yer peekup pulls into my driveway !

Cuz I'm going to take a short nap !

And for the record you litt... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

And for the record you little douche, I'm a little closer to you than the south.

But don't worry, somebody out there still thinks you're funny.

Just c'mon north, rednec... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Just c'mon north, redneck !

You'll know me right off....I'm the guy with the big mouth, and the bigger foot to plant up your ass !

Waiting candy ass.... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Waiting candy ass.

On behalf of the soldiers you smear, I'm waiting.

You guys are hilarious.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You guys are hilarious.

Waiting you little bitch.</... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Waiting you little bitch.

People who write that kind ... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

People who write that kind of shit and live here deserve to have their asses pounded.

Waiting fucker.

By the way....just ou... (Below threshold)
kruane:

By the way....just out of curiosity.......

What ya need me to do....Collect a few small little 2 year-old, tousel-haired little girls so that you TOO can punch a couple rounds behind their ears like your HE-ROS, the US Marines ?

Hotmail account.Wa... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Hotmail account.

Waiting you little cunt.

Yup, that would be great. ... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Yup, that would be great. Waiting you little faggoty ass keyboard warrior.

I know you now, a little fucking pussy who's never done anything other than sit in the local coffee shop and threaten to take back this country from them damn Bushyhaliburtons.

What's a matter dickweed, latte too cold?

Waiting shithead

" Waiting "For ... (Below threshold)
kruane:

" Waiting "

For what ? Theose two year old little girls to plant those rounds in, the cows, or yer mom & yer sister.....

Be more explicit, redneck !

Well, I guess we all know t... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Well, I guess we all know that kruane is just another lefty bitch who doesn't have the sack to stand up for his bullshit.

Figures. Boy, I didn't see that coming.

Well, I guess kruane solved... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Well, I guess kruane solved our pussy shortage.

Gutless little yellow bastard.

Live with that you little fucking twit.

"Well, I guess we all know ... (Below threshold)
kruane:

"Well, I guess we all know that kruane is just another lefty bitch who doesn't have the sack to stand up for his bullshit."

What, you think I'm going to place MY little girls at risk, so that you can tear a page out of your "HE-ROS" handbook, and punch a round behind thier ears ?

I think NOT, jerkoff !

" What, you think I'm going... (Below threshold)
kruane:

" What, you think I'm going to place MY little girls at risk, so that you can tear a page out of your "HE-ROS" handbook, and punch a round behind thier ears ? "

Cuz that's why pukes like you AND the US marines get off on.....attacking a weaker opponent. When someone , one a more equal footing challenges you....ya run like dogs !

So, yea....I have no DOUBT in my mind that if you knew my address, you would sneak into the child's bedroom, and kill them in thier sleep....cowards like you have a tendancy to do JUST that !

I ask where to find you and... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

I ask where to find you and you return with I "run like dogs"?

You see, I have little ones myself, and I think they're the most important things in the world. For that reason, I'd never imagine hurting someone's children.

Just you, you fucking little yellow pussy. I can't hold your children accountable for the fact that their daddy is a little pussy who likes to play keyboard warrior but doesn't have the slighest hint of a spine in backing up his slander on our soldiers.

I think anyone following along here knows who the coward is. Live with that pussy.

I would imagine to make it ... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

I would imagine to make it equal footing you'd have to round up a few more hippies to help you out.

Okay, I agree to that challenge, as long as you scum agree to take showers first.

Waaa, I'm hiding behind my children and my keyboard, cus I'm a little pussy.

Tell me tomorrow what it's like to go to bed each night knowing you're a little bitch.

If I had to guess, I'd say ... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

If I had to guess, I'd say Ithaca.

Oh little bitch, don't tell... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

Oh little bitch, don't tell me you've given up.

I think you'll need to change your name because each time I see you i'll remind everyone what a sackless wonder you are.

I'm sorry, I meant albany, ... (Below threshold)
Jack Burton:

I'm sorry, I meant albany, and a Jew hater to boot. Wow, what a surprise.

You two assholes might cons... (Below threshold)
carter:

You two assholes might consider the following.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army, aiming to make its recruiting goals amid the Iraq war, raised its maximum enlistment age by another two years on Wednesday, while the Army Reserve predicted it will miss its recruiting target for a second straight year.

And continue your little hissy fit somewhere outside Tikrit.

Carter -You two as... (Below threshold)
kruane:

Carter -

You two assholes might consider the following.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army, aiming to make its recruiting goals amid the Iraq war, raised its maximum enlistment age by another two years on Wednesday, while the Army Reserve predicted it will miss its recruiting target for a second straight year.

And continue your little hissy fit somewhere outside Tikrit.


What are you TALKING about ? And that is relevant to WHAT ?

FROM: Kenneth MacKenzie, ... (Below threshold)

FROM: Kenneth MacKenzie, kmackenzie@houston.rr.com ;
http://www.writesafe.com/storage8/CANCOPY_cvrAfAmp_MATT.pdf

I read the commentary in your posting, AP Only Telling Half the Story On Soldier's Uncle, and would like to inform you :

I voted for GW Bush because I believed he would militarily assault the major terrorism entities (Terrorist states: Afghanistan, Iraq, & others) to nullify terrorist state proliferation of Nuclear Landmines of stated concern by your elected officials in U.S. House Hearing. 106-158 :

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=106_house_hearings&docid=f:66968.wais

While President Bush had the best of intentions (saving us from nuclear destruction), he has attacked Iraq much like the U.S.fought Vietnam war, when the nuclear landmine threat coming from the Middle East required a U.S. response essentially like the U.S. brought against the axis powers in WW2 -- Germany, Japan, Italy. Fighting the war against nuclear terrorism, on U.S. soil and in Europe, in any other limited way is destined to fail.

If Bush is unwilling to fight this war with the same all out ferocity that we applied against Germany, Japan, & Italy in WW2, the U.S. should immediately withdraw from the Middle East, because we are destined to hemorrhage there in the same manner as Vietnam. We are already losing in the U.S. public opinion polls because we are fighting a limited style war in Iraq.
You need to understand the related exponentials of U.S. House Hearing 106-158 regarding the 250 Soviet nuclear landmines that went missing in 1991 if you want to understand why we are in Iraq.
Christian Vasquez Menchaca was fighting against the proliferation of these nuclear landmine weapons of mass destruction described in U.S. House Hearing 106-158, claimed as concealed by terrorists on U.S. soil and in Europe. President Bush is currently searching for these same 250 missing Nuclear WMD in your hometowns and in Iraq and has deployed Nuclear Emergency Search Teams to search U.S. cities for said terrorist Nuclear landmines on U.S. soil -- in your hometowns where the terrorists claim you are living on top of their nuclear landmines. SEE: :

(1) http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=106_house_hearings&docid=f:66968.wais

(2) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/28/AR2005122801520_pf.html

(3) http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/
nest/051222nest.htm EXCLUSIVE: Nuclear Monitoring of Muslims Done Without Search Warrants, By David E. Kaplan, Posted 12/22/05

(4) http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/23/nuke.
monitoring/ Officials: Muslim sites subject to secret monitoring for radiation, From Kevin Bohn and Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Saturday, December 24, 2005
I am also focused on the censorship by the U.S. media to the detriment of the American people on these same nuclear landmine issues that Christian Vasquez Menchaca was fighting against in Iraq as illustrated by my screenplay, Princess & The Sons Of Paradise, © 1997, http://www.writesafe.com/storage8/CANCOPY_cvrAfAmp_MATT.pdf regarding the potentials of Nuclear landmine proliferation coming at us from issues in U.S. House Hearing 106-158 and also focused on the censorship by the U.S. media regarding the potentials of Nuclear landmine proliferation coming from Pakistan, from N. Korea, from Iran, and so forth. If you are inclined to quibble about the other biological, chemical, & poisen gas WMD, you are wasting breath. The Nuclear Landmines are by far the worst and get the least attention in the media. . . . for media management censor reasons. Tic, tic, tic!




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