I strongly recommend boycotting the NY Slimes, the LA Slimes and all the rest of the traitorous scum.

Pulitzers do not come before safety.

It's time to send Osama Bin Keller the message.

Ace of Spades has a splendid commentary up on this topic. in it is this passage [emphasis added]:

"I'm quite sure the reasonable liberals at the NYT and WaPo know full well that programs like this are absolutely vital, and their secrecy is likewise vital. However, they have made the most anti-American and evil sort of decision: While tools like this are vital for saving American lives, they will not permit any Republican President to use them. Only Democratic Presidents are permitted to employ the full panoply of powers for protecting American lives.

It's blackmail, pure and simple. Either let a Democrat into the White House, or we will continue to sabotage American security and, in effect, kill Americans. We will keep secrets when a Democrat is in office, but not a Republican. So we offer the American people a choice: Let the politicians we favor run the country, or we will help Al Qaeda murder you."

read the whole thing!!! please.

Has anyone (or could someone) publish a list of the major advertisers in the offending newspapers, especially the NYT and the LAT?

Writing protest letters to those newspapers is probably not much different than feeding the trolls here at Wizbang. But the result might be very different if those who pay for this treason were boycotted.

Why is that not the case with the New York Times?

I too want a list of advertisers that support the NYT - time to fight back

>>Why is that not the case with the New York Times?

>Because you don't have million dollar laywers on staff.

So it's Kevin's fault. The bastard.

old coot is right... newspapers are not surviving on subscriptions, ( they haven't in a long time)it is the advertising dept that keeps them going... you will only get any newspapers attention when you "pay" attention to the ADVERTISERS... as always Follow the Money. In fact, that is better than the U.S. taking them to court.

Organizing a boycott of major NYT advertisers is probably the best way to influence them. Nothing else is likely to work, but that could turn them around very quickly even if the pressure were coming mostly from red states.

The people who run the NYT are desperate to provoke a prosecution by the government, as this is the only thing which could provide a cover for their business management failures. Best not to hand them what they want.

Has anybody noticed that there is one standard response to any exposure of classified information by Left-Wing Press outlets by the Left?

Lee (who I suspect to be same person posting as Lint), sean/nyc, mak44, etc. all loudly proclaim that the revelation of this or that program does not hurt national security because terrorists already know that America must be doing it anyway.

The interesting thing about this is that it can be applied to any revelation of any program exposed by the Press.

Assume the New York Times exposed the details of Operation Overlord on May 24th, 1944. Lee, mak44, field-negro et al would rush to their defense with this excuse; it didn't actually hurt national security because the Germans must already know that Allied Forces want to liberate France. Supplying them the when and how through the front page would not make any difference.

When the New York Times exposed the NSA Terrorist Surveillance Program, the Left sought to deny that this harmed national security with this exact same excuse; terrorists must already know that they were being surveilled so it made no difference whether the whens and hows of it was exposed or not.

Neither Lee, sean, etc. here had the courage to face up to the fact that in revealing this program, the New York Times also revealed that the U.S. government must have certain numbers and e-mail addresses that it was using as seed data. If only half of the surveillees changed their numbers and e-mails, a significant set of sources and assets would have been rendered useless.

But ... they must have known it already, right?

As Ed Morrissey states that this may be a controlled leak. "If the Pentagon felt that they needed to leak this information for political purposes?"...Paul is very indignant about the 'New York Times' printing this classified report of a General's plan, but if many officials at the Pentagon and some at the White House didn't mind it being leaked (judging by their tepid reactions), with so many officials commenting it, on condition of anonymity, is 'the New York Times' really doing the nation, or the Administration for that matter, such a great disservice in opening up the debate which has been taking place for some time.

I don't allow the NYT to even come close to my doorstep. Neither do I page through it if the opportunity presents itself. Their predictable reponses to anything Bush would make even Pavlov proud. What about the leaker(s) themselves. I cannot believe there was a large audience of people at this briefing of a "closely held secret". It is also obvious (to me) from the caveats listed above that this withdrawal could vaporize at anytime if the conditions are not right for it. Is it possible this "leak" is intentional????

I think boycotting their advertisers is a gerat idea. Then putting an ad in the NYT is the same as saying "I have way too much business - please stay away from my store". Once the businesses realize that they are spending money to keep customers away the ads will stop, and so will the NYT, since if there is no revenue stream there is no NYT. Once you get down through the paint & primer to bare metal, its the money that keeps them alive. No money, no NYT - so simple.

Lets see, major advertisers include major US automakers, US retailers, High End alcohol, jewelry, clothing, and lets not forget all the FINANCIAL advertisers.

Are we gonna boycott for real or just write letters?

I'm more disappointed in the Pentagon for reducing our troop presence in Iraq than I am in the NYT for reporting it.

epador: "Lets see, major advertisers include major US automakers, US retailers, High End alcohol, jewelry, clothing, and lets not forget all the FINANCIAL advertisers."

Get me the list and I will boycott every single one...and write scathing letters TELLING them so. And so will all my friends and family. I just don't want to have to delve into the cesspool that IS the NYT in order to determine the list my self.

Sorry, but I'm allergic to treason.

I drive a rusty old jalopy dont go to the malls, drink cheap beer, dont wear jewelry. I wear clothes occasionally and have no finances to worry about? not to mention I never use spell check.

I agree with You Justrand. I wouldnt wipe My ass with that filthy rag. not that I could afford it. Ha Ha

Wait a minute, revealing Valerie Plame's identity was MUCH WORSE for national security than the repeated leaks of national security measures and secret deployment memos by the New York Times. Much worse. Wasn't it?

The above essentially is what is the position of much of the MSM talking heads and Dem media outlets if we are to judge the time devoted to Valeria Plame.

Bottom line, the Dems, the MSM and the lefties in the USA are not only anti-American and, yes, unpatriotic, they are crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyy!

What a bunch of cutters.
What a bunch of runners.

If the last two stories weren't sufficient, then what action could the NYT take that would convince a 'reasonable person' that they did not have the best interests of American citizens in mind.

My god. Even in Viet Nam, newspapers didn't leak information on troop deployments. If that is not treason, then there is no such thing. The NYT is not out of control at all. They know exactly what they are doing - and that is not good for America.

With both the SWIFT and troop reduction stories the only parties who benefit are the terrorists of course (yea, yea, I know, they already know *everything* so divulging anything makes no difference. Right...) and, at least in their minds, the newspapers publishing the story.

Even the NYT themselves are not arguing that they've struck a blow against terrorists or helped to ensure the freedom, liberty, or safety of the American people. They are doing it for reasons of partisan political hubris and to make a buck. They could not care less about you and I.

Who do I trust more, the US government or NYT? US government, no question.

Thank you very much, but I'll keep my faith in the thousands of hard-working, non-leaking, Americans in the FBI, CIA, NSA, and various other governmental offices that are doing their level best to track and capture/kill terrorists instead of helping them.

What a bunch of cutters.
What a bunch of runners.

jp2 youve finally admitted it?

Looks like we were going to redeploy after all, just as decorated soldiers Kerry and Murtha have said.

Eat your words.

F15C, it's not merely a matter of who you trust more, NYT or US Govt. It's simply a matter of who is on our (the USA) side. The US Government (non-leaking portion) is; the NYT is not.

Joel Whoknows: OK, so Kerry & Murtha should be happy, right? How come they're still slamming Bush?

Because Hes a knee jerk liberal.

Joel Whoknows, your statement is the equivilent of saying that Kerry and Murtha said that sun was going to rise in the morning, so of course they're right!

Any demands on their part concerning troop movements or withdrawals or redeployements are spurious and after the fact. What is going on and what will happen has been planned for a long time.

It is highly offensive and insulting for liberals and Democrats to attempt to take any credit for it.

From TPM:

"I'm convinced that one of the primary reasons this administration doesn't want a timetable is that it would pin them down on what they are trying to do, how long they think it will take, and what it's going to cost. It would start to make them accountable."

Money.

STLScott

Exactly, the Dems want to sneak in the back door and try to claim that their plans are the reason why troops are coming home. Because obviously they've been so anti military that the successes thereof must be plundered for political necessity no matter what the affrontery to decency or common sense.

All you "Republican's" out there. Keep up the good work. Keep attacking your scapegoat and watch your economy go in the tanker even more. Notice how the American dollar is hardly worth more than a Canadian dollar nowadays? That's right, your excellent foreign and domestic policy is literally destroying your economy. Keep up the good fight.

Haters are haters, what's the difference between a terrorist with a homemade bomb and a terrorist with "bunker buster" like the U.S. army. Are you ever going to wake up and see that you're not fighting a war against a threat in Iraq, your simply creating one by invading a country that was in no way shape or form a danger to the United States until Cheney decided it was time to grow Halliburton's stock (note, HAL's stock price has grown about as fast as troop death's in Iraq, one of the few great performers on the market in the past couple of years).

Your following a government that has only one interest in mind, their own.

On a last note, do you really think that Bush wanted to get Bin Laden? You have the most sophisticated government and military in the world , who once in Afghanistan is able to build an oil pipeline from one end of the country to the other within the first year, but is not able to track down and kill one man. Give me a break. Osama bin Bush has played into the Cheney Administrations hands perfectly, still using this "bad guy" as an excuse for fighting a war against a Country that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

Iraq is wrong. Was a lost cause before the first bomb was launched. It's hard to win hearts and minds when you aren't doing the right thing. Selfishness is an evil traight, not the a righteous one, and it's the only logical explanation for this war. Pure business, only good for Cheney and friends, bad for you, bad for the U.S. and bad for the world. Think about it for once.

Again ask yourselves, if you're doing the right thing in Iraq and the bush administration is a good one for your Country, how come the Canadian dollar is worth about as much as the US nowadays? How come your "conservative" government has created such a high deficit it will literally be a decade of proper fiscal management to even get back to break even? Your government is corrupt. Face the facts.

Troll Alert

It's a legitimate post and I'm not trolling.

Armyguy

[Red]Armyguy..."watch your economy go in the tanker even more"

tanker?

even more?

just because your dad (Howie Dean) SAYS it is "in the tank(er)", doesn't mean it is. Fact is, Comrade, it is amazingly healthy right now. unlike you.

The Times continues to do this because the AG, that is, George Bush, is too much of a coward to prosecute them. And they know it. Such a president, who allows the American people to be placed in harms way by renegade traitors, should resign.

DOUG BOOK: There is an ongoing investigation into the NSA leak, and I'm sure there will be investigations into the SWIFT exposure as well. As much as I hate the NYT right now, we are still a nation of laws and due process. I want them nailed and nailed hard, but it must be done legally.

Prosecuting a news organization is no trivial undertaking and should be handled with the utmost respect for the first amendment. Personally, I think the NYT is guilty as sin, but they still must be accorded due process.

I think a coward would choose power over wisdom and rush to prosecute - and lose the case. It takes a wiser head to give the matter its due and investigate and deliberate accordingly.

Of course, now that that briefing has been released, it has been rendered useless, so Casey will have to reevaluate and come up with a new time table... one that most likely will result in a delay in the draw down.

The NYT and LAT are the body of the snake. We have to find the head and chop it off like i do every snake that gets around my home. There are one or more, maybe several, democrat holdovers in the Intel community that are leaking this top secret information. If there is one democrat in the intel community with middle east ancestors you most likely have at least one of those responsible. Find them all and execute them in the most inhumane way allowed in the U.S. Try them in a state that allows hanging and pull them up slow and let them kick for a while. Throw the body of the snake (NYT/LAT)in the garbage to be buried along with the other garbage as it deserves. I wouldn't pay two cents for any of the rags put out by the antique MSM. I say their end will come when thousands are killed as a result of the leaks. There will be several million really hostile people.
I see CAIR doesn't like the fact that a lot of blogs have figured out they are nothing but a hidden terrorist cell. Now making threats. What a laugh.

Neither Lee, sean, etc. here had the courage to face up to the fact that in revealing this program, the New York Times also revealed that the U.S. government must have certain numbers and e-mail addresses that it was using as seed data. If only half of the surveillees changed their numbers and e-mails, a significant set of sources and assets would have been rendered useless.
Martin A Knight

First off, what program thus far has had anything to do with e-mail addresses? Shut up or the terrists might figure that out.

Secondly, we've heard stories before the NSA surveillance story was printed about people buying large numbers of disposable cell phones. Were they terrorists? Who knows? Maybe another classified program is that all disposable cell phones are tapped. Oops, now I'd better shut up. But Osama bin Laden has known for years not to use