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Vote Democrat in 2006

Here at Wizbang we value political speech so much that we strive daily to give all sides a chance to speak for themselves. Dear readers, may I present the up and coming face of the Democrat party:

Murtha says U.S. poses top threat to world peace

MIAMI -- American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.

Murtha was the guest speaker at a town hall meeting organized by Rep. Kendrick B. Meek, D-Miami, at Florida International University's Biscayne Bay Campus. Meek's mother, former Rep. Carrie Meek, D-Miami, was also on the panel.
War veterans, local mayors, university students and faculty were in the Mary Ann Wolfe Theatre to listen to the three panelists discuss the war in Iraq for an hour.

A former Marine and a prominent critic of the Bush administration's policies in Iraq, Murtha reiterated his views that the war cannot be won militarily and needs political solutions. He said the more than 100,000 troops in Iraq should be pulled out immediately, and deployed to peripheral countries like Kuwait.

If you believe the the U.S. military is more of a threat to world peace that a nuclear North Korea or Iran then by all means, please vote Democrat in 2006.

Update: There was a correction to the Sun Sent Story:

Correction: An article in Sunday's editions misinterpreted a comment from U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., at a town hall meeting in North Miami on Saturday. In his speech, Murtha said U.S. credibility was suffering because of continued U.S. military presence in Iraq ,and the perception that the U.S. is an occupying force. Murtha was citing a recent poll, by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, that indicates a greater percentage of people in 10 of 14 foreign countries consider the U.S. in Iraq a greater danger to world peace than any threats posed by Iran or North Korea.

What he actually said is unknown. It's been reported that his press office has audio of it and won't release it. Muthra complained his quote was out of context and the correction appears to back that to some dergee. What is unknown is -well- the context. If the Sun Sent reporter didn't have audio to fall back on, they have no choice but to take Murtha at his word.

Murtha of course, could release the tape and put the whole thing to rest. Odd that he won't.


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Comments (29)

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.... (Below threshold)
914:

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...........

I have a question: why do t... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

I have a question: why do they always say it like "more than 200 people". Is that supposed to sound more impressive?

So the Dem's cannot get more than 299 people to show up at a town hall meeting? Murtha's idiotic statements aside, this is hilarious!!!!

This party has no momentum. Zip, zero, nada. And this guy is becoming a leading speaker for them? Someone wake me up. This is TOO good to be true.

Murtha, two men in white co... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Murtha, two men in white coats, one coat with many straps and buckles. Add about two minutes to bring him down and a short trip to the rubber room. Let me start the IV. Can anyone say overdose? Bye Bye crazy one.

this is no way a refutation... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

this is no way a refutation, but here is another article that makes no mention of Murtha calling the US more dangerous than Iran and NK

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/14896189.htm

the article you link to provides no quote supporting that statement. That statement is definitely wrong, but not providing the quote, especially when other quotes from Murtha were used, makes this somewhat suspect.

Sean, I hear ya on not havi... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Sean, I hear ya on not having quotes but I'd bet dimes to donuts the MH is covering Murtha's loonyness.

They don't want Bush's critis to be outted as moonbats.

Murtha, the gift that keeps... (Below threshold)
stan25:

Murtha, the gift that keeps on giving. By all means keep him on the lecture circuit. The more he opens his mouth, the more the sheeple will evenutally see what kind of party the Dims are.

No, you can't be serious. ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

No, you can't be serious. Get out of here.

The deed is done. The final stages of BDS is kicking in. In mere days we should see every head of every democrap explode in a bloody pulp.

Sheesh.

Murtha was once considered ... (Below threshold)
914:

Murtha was once considered Hawkish? Now Hes more like Turtle Dove-ish.

Sean, we'll get our answer.... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Sean, we'll get our answer...

The story I linked hit the wires and is being picked up. If the rpeorter got it wrong, we'll hear soon enough.

If not, the question must be asked why the MH didn't mention that part of the story.

Rep. Murtha is 72 years old... (Below threshold)
Len:

Rep. Murtha is 72 years old and you believe he is "the up and coming face of the Democrat party."

Sheesh.

I hope I'm "up and coming" when I'm 72!

Oh, and it's Democratic party.

Just sayin'.

Another democrap screws up:... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Another democrap screws up:
John Edwards's 2004 presidential campaign has agreed to pay a $9,500 fine for accepting illegal contributions from a prominent Little Rock trial lawyer and his law firm. There was no lack of clarity at the time as to what went on here being illegal.

Now, Edwards is a lawyer, correct? Wouldn't you expect him, if he were an honest one, to know what the hell the law is and to follow it?

Democrat, Democratic ...eit... (Below threshold)
audrey:

Democrat, Democratic ...either way it = LOSER

We have John Murtha, Englan... (Below threshold)
STLScott:

We have John Murtha, England has George Gallaway. (Is that the nutball's name?) Anyway we can get these two clowns together for a mutual lovefest?

kirktoe ~ You don't underst... (Below threshold)

kirktoe ~ You don't understand how these estimates work. When they say there were "more than 200 people" there, it does NOT mean there were between 200 and 299. That is what they want you to think. In reality, the range is closer to 125 - 175 to qualify as "more than 200."

If there were actually more than 200, they would have said "nearly 300," or - more likely - "over 300." Or even, "a crowd estimated at over 1000."

You don't seem to be up on your Million Man Math . . .

:-D

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This goofy story is being i... (Below threshold)
chancuff:

This goofy story is being investigated as I write. Murtha never said any such thing, not in Miami, not anywhere else, not ever. Look for Arizona Star and Sun-Sentinel to publish the appropriate corrections in their papers. Knight Rider picked up this story over the weekend. They'll drop it like a hot potato in the next couple hours. Elizabeth Baier, the author of this story, will be wondering what the big deal is about making up stuff and reporting it as news. If anyone here has contacts at The National Enquirer, perhaps now would be a good time to email her. I suspect she's going to need a new job soon. Write condolences and "buck up!" note to her at: ebaier@sun-sentinel.com

Three major points:<p... (Below threshold)
Bob:

Three major points:

1) As someone mentioned above, there are no quote marks. A transcript would be very helpful in establishing both the actual quote and some context here.

2) Even if this is a direct quote, nuclear threats from Iran or North Korea aren't very dangerous. North Korea and Iran are both so outgunned and unpopular that their leadership would never survive if they attempted a nuclear strike. While the argument is often made that North Korea or Iran could manufacture and sell nukes to terrorist groups, I've never seen either country threaten to do so.

3) The continued American presence in Iraq is creating terrorists worldwide faster than we're wiping them out in Iraq. Killing Al-Zarqawi certainly doesn't seem to have slowed down Al-Qaeda. Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, the new leader of the Iraqi branch, seems to be just as dangerous as Al-Zarqawi was, given the recent executions of the Russian Embassy workers and the captured US Soldiers.

Also, the current headline on Drudge Report: "Murtha says US is top threat to world peace" is even less accurate. It's a shame that so many people straw man such important issues and avoid actual debate.

Chancuff, let me get this s... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Chancuff, let me get this straight.

2 independant news organizations report Murtha said this. They reported from the event at which he said it.

You, not having attended the event, opine that it never happened.

I bet you enjoy your NY Times in the morning, don't ya big fella.

"The continued American pre... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

"The continued American presence in Iraq is creating terrorists worldwide faster than we're wiping them out in Iraq."

I love how this is always presented as a factual statement though there is little to no evidence of it. Wishing won't make it so. Terrorists existed BEFORE we went to Iraq and thinking if we left they would disappear is just being intellectually dishonest.

So, Bob, I reject your statement in totality as a made up fantasy. Keep cheering for the terrorists. Perhaps, when Hamza is captured/killed and you guys start squawking about how he wasn't that important we can remind you how you are presently claiming he is a significant threat.

Then again, you'll just re-write history again and move the goal posts.....again and again and again like any other Leftist, lying sycophant willing to sacrifice the country for another shot at power.

Anyone else notice that Mur... (Below threshold)
SMP:

Anyone else notice that Murtha is echoing Osama bin Ladin's talking points from 1998:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/miller.html

"We believe the biggest thieves in the world and the terrorists are the Americans".

OBL must still be alive if he's writing speeches for the Dems.

I sent an e-mail to the rep... (Below threshold)
SMP:

I sent an e-mail to the reporter (Elizabeth Baier) to see if she can clarify exactly what Mr. Murtha said.

I'll let you know if she writes back.

Murtha is quickly become a ... (Below threshold)
Neo:

Murtha is quickly become a one of a kind.

An ex-Marine.

So, is advocacy of ... (Below threshold)
Robert Klahn:


So, is advocacy of murder of those holding opposing views, including those in
congress, acceptable to wizbangblog.com?

Murtha, two men in white coats, one coat with many straps and buckles. Add about two minutes to bring him down and a short trip to the rubber room. Let me start the IV. Can anyone say overdose? Bye Bye crazy one.
Posted by: Scrapiron at June 25, 2006 10:19 PM

Difference: The whackiness ... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Difference: The whackiness here is in the COMMENTS --- not on the main page written by the guys who run the site.

On lefty sites, the main post is just as idiotic.
-=Mike

This goofy story is bein... (Below threshold)
Paul:

This goofy story is being investigated as I write. Murtha never said any such thing, not in Miami, not anywhere else, not ever. Look for Arizona Star and Sun-Sentinel to publish the appropriate corrections in their papers.

Chancuff lemme explain how things work on my posts. Posting bullshit you inveted in your own twisted liberal head will get you deleted.

It's been over 24 hours and not only has there been no correction but nobody in Murtha's office has said the reporter got it wrong.

In other words, you're full of shit.

Since this is your first offense, I'll leave your nuttyness for the whole world to see. Next time I just delete it and move on.

IF you have a link to a correction, then by all means share it. If not, STFU.

Paul

That goes double for you Lee.

Yes, Lee, you are a big wee... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Yes, Lee, you are a big weenie. Actually, probably pretty small, but we won't go Kos on you. That would be ill-mannered of us.

PaulHere's ... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Paul

Here's what Brent M White of the Sun Sentinel posted on Think Progress comments:

"Yes, we know. We will be publishing a correction in tomorrow's paper.
Thank you for pointing this out.

Gail Bulfin, Editor for News Research, Training and Readership
South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:42 PM
To: Bulfin, Gail
Subject: Retraction needed

To whom it may concern:

Last Sunday, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel made an error in reporting Rep. John Murtha's comment about American presence being the most dangerous to world peace.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ news/ local/ broward/ sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story

In Elizabeth Baier's opening sentence she states:

"American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to a crowd of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon."

This statement is completely false. Rep. Murtha mentioned American presence in terms of an international poll. This was not Murtha's thought, but the results of polling done in other countries.

Journalistic propriety demands a retraction.

Thank you,
Brent M White
Tampa, FL "

So, you and most of the above Wizbang Choir can start wiping the egg off your faces.

PaulThat is... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Paul

That is an equivocating retraction & it's buried way back here. After your rant above re retractions, I am amazed that you have made a semi-retraction & left it on the back page at that.

This is hardly reflective of your chew-out above & the standards you claimed there as well as your bloviation on "standards" on the later Troll thread.

Now. I am curious as to how loing before this gets deleted or do you try to be a little more consistent than Bill O'Reilly?

PS It was big of you, not to say professional, to print your grudging semi-retraction here where there have been no further postings since my last on Tuesday night. Rest assured, no one but me knows your little secret.

As of the date and time sta... (Below threshold)
chancuff:

As of the date and time stamp of this posting the following is correct:
The original first paragraph written by Elizabeth Baier at the Sun-Sentinel has been removed. Since their original correction to their story and my constant vigilance and the constantly updated reporting at theinfozone.net, they have rewritten this entire original article.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story

What distinguishes this as unique is that though newspapers certainly update stories all the time, but when doing so, they are required by standard journalism practice to make clear it's a revision, stating prominently at the top this story is a revision and updating the date of the article to the date of the revision. They have done neither.

Any impression created by this posting that this indicates that the Sun-Sentinel is covering up what they started by making all the uproar of this week over something that "never happened" is not my intent here. (legal disclaimers have become necessary)

Wait until you hear the new development today. The video of Murtha's speech in Miami has been released.

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

Looking at the large number... (Below threshold)
chancuff:

Looking at the large number of blog posts I've placed throughout the blogsphere in the last 2 weeks, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking they look like spam.

My apologies to all.

Some interesting things happened today. I received an email response from Bill Pasco(e) of Diana Irey's campaign against John Murtha for the 12th District of Pennsylvania seat in the House of Representatives.

In responding Mr. Pascoe's email, I found it useful to CC that response to him to Elizabeth Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause (Managing Editor Sun-Sentinel).

The topic of those emails was "Rovian Architecture Unplugged". If you are interested to learn more, feel free to write them.

Make "Rovian Architechure Unplugged" your subject heading so they know what your inquiry is about.

Their email addresses:

Bill Pascoe phone: (724) 258-2300

bill@irey.com

Elizabeth Baier

ebaier@sun-sentinel.com

Sharon Rosenhause

srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too




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