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Quote Of The Day - The New McCarthyism Edition

"Being a Republican in Hollywood today is not much different than being a communist in Hollywood in the 1950s, I'm not trying to overstate the case, but the reality is there is a blacklist in Hollywood. It's very McCarthy-like. It just shows the hypocrisy of the left."

Pat Dollard, former agent for director Steven Soderbergh, on George Clooney and the rest of the Hollywood heavyweights in Page Six. Dollard ditched agenting to make "Young Americans." a graphic, pro-military documentary about U.S. Marines fighting insurgents in Iraq. You can learn all about it at PatDollard.com.


Comments (69)

Hey look, another "patriot"... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Hey look, another "patriot" trying to make a buck off the blood of our soldiers in Iraq. I'm surprised....

Lee: Yeah, but this ... (Below threshold)

Lee:
Yeah, but this time the movie isn't the overbearing leftist wankery that everyone is so used to seeing.

if you haven't seen it, go ... (Below threshold)
jp:

if you haven't seen it, go see Andy Garcia's "The Lost City" also starring Dustin Hoffman and Bill murray, as well as some famous latin actors/actresses.

one problem with going to see it, you can't unless you live in a handful of cities. Hollywood completely ignored it, is not promoting, wrote idiotic and historically flawed reviews and the big distributors didn't pick it up. I was fortunate enough to see it the whole 2 weeks it showed in Charlotte at one theater in Ballayntine....It was unbelievable, and since it showed the truth of castro/Che it got blackballed. Soderberg has another "Che" movie coming out, that will for sure romanticize the evil fool like motorcycle diaries.

Lee shows his ignorance onc... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Lee shows his ignorance once again when he states:

Hey look, another "patriot" trying to make a buck off the blood of our soldiers in Iraq. I'm surprised

From Pat Dollard's website about this project:

A large percentage of the profits from this project will be donated to education and other funds for the families of those Marines I was
with who made the ultimate sacrifice. The rest will simply go to funding ongoing operations.

also, here is an idiotic an... (Below threshold)
jp:

also, here is an idiotic anti-american, anti-military propoganda piece coming out that should get your blood boiling.
http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/?p=1673

Lee, go talk to your little... (Below threshold)

Lee, go talk to your little bitch Michael Moore...

George Clooney's this sort ... (Below threshold)
langtry:

George Clooney's this sort of asshat who thinks making a movie about going to war ("Three Kings") is the same thing as going to war.

Keep that pretty face, George, lest you have to make a living with that brain of yours!

So, Lee... Is it logically... (Below threshold)

So, Lee... Is it logically possible for *anyone* to make a movie or documentary about Iraq (History channel, Discovery, CNN?) for any reason whatsoever other than "making a buck" off of the blood of our soldiers?

How would you identify that person or production company? Please explain and list what we should look for so we don't contribute any money to cold-hearted profiteers.

I figure you're the one to ask since you seem to be so in tune with other people's motivations.

Oh, funny. One of the vide... (Below threshold)

Oh, funny. One of the video clips starts with the soldiers talking about World of Warcraft which is playing on an open laptop right before something goes boom. I was thinking, dang that music sounds familiar. LOL.

From Dollard's website:... (Below threshold)
Lee:

From Dollard's website:

Help get out the message to support the war in Iraq and the troops there. Help the Marines who served have their story told. And help the families of the Marines I served with who were killed.

I call this making a buck off of the blood or our soldiers in Iraq, sorry.

You are sympathetic towards the families of soldiers in Iraq? Well, give me money (Dollard is asking for outright donations on his website) and I will share some of it (the profits off the movie, if there ever are any that is) with the families.

It's patriotic flag-waving which will result in a personal profit for Dollard. Teary-eyed Americans will hit that paypal button and put money in this person's bank account thinking they are helping "... the families of the Marines I served with who were killed"

In the interview linked Dollard admits he may have to get a real job if this scam... errr... "effort" isn't successful in raising enough money to continue.

Yes, I call that making a buck off of the blood of our soldiers in Iraq. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way, it's just my opinion.

What is your opinion, Lee, ... (Below threshold)
scsiwuzzy:

What is your opinion, Lee, of the upcoming World Trade Center movie starring Nicolas Cage?

So Lee, does that mean the ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

So Lee, does that mean the MSM is also making a buck off of the blood of our soldiers?

Please, spare us your faux outrage. Your only outrage is that this guy is trying to bring back the news that seldom gets reported back here in the U.S.

Having Lee around is like h... (Below threshold)

Having Lee around is like having an Automatic Murtha. 100% crap, 100% of the time.

Hey Lee,What the h... (Below threshold)
Doug L.:

Hey Lee,

What the hell do you believe in? Every one of your posts that I've read has been "anti"-something. How about giving us an idea of what you believe in? Tell us: is there anything that is worth defending or dying for in the USA?

Oops. I forgot what bobdog said in another thread when referring to you:

Folks, you're wasting your time. Somebody told Lee that it was cute to play "devil's advocate" when he was little. He injects his obnoxious "brilliance" into nearly every thread as if his opinion is the only one that matters, and never concedes anything -- he's always right, and you're always stupid and pathetic. Bow before his superior intellect now, won't you?

Silly me, thinking that I could actually have a discussion with you.

So Lee, does that mean t... (Below threshold)
Lee:

So Lee, does that mean the MSM is also making a buck off of the blood of our soldiers?

What do you think J.R.? Are any newspaper publishers asking for paypal donations so they can share the profits of their newspaper with the families of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq.

Wave the flag in front of you guys and some of you get downright stupid.

Silly me, thinking that ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Silly me, thinking that I could actually have a discussion with you.

Posted by: Doug L. at June 26, 2006 05:00 PM

If all you're going to do is quote someone else, you aren't having a discussion with me, wingnut.

Look guys, I stated my opinion on this post, why don't you state yours and we'll all go on with our lives. You barking dogs following me around this blog, commenting about me instead of about the posts, isn't fair to this site and to its readers.

Lee commenting on this site... (Below threshold)
anti-Lee:

Lee commenting on this site isn't fair to anyone.

LeeYou have the sa... (Below threshold)
RFA:

Lee

You have the same impact as a pink fart in a blue bottle, which is NONE. And you smell bad too.

After reading your drivel i'm quite convinced you are not
1) Very Smart
2) Mature
3) a patriot.

I also am convinced that you ARE

1) a snot nosed brat
2) willfully ignorant of fact
3) a hate baiter.

You should go drown yourself and save some air for the rest of us.

Lee, you still haven't told... (Below threshold)

Lee, you still haven't told me how to identify the motivationally pure. I asked you a rather specific question that you didn't answer. And it matters to be able to identify the motivationally pure... simply identifying the impure becomes a problem when everyone seems to qualify as impure blood-for-money opportunists. I need to know how to find the good guys, Lee. So help me out here.

Otherwise I'm left with the "money" test, and NO ONE passes it, Lee.

Newspapers... you don't think they're out to make money? Because it's not a donation but crass commercialism selling advertisement it doesn't exist?

So, like, the blogs with pay-pal tip jars are morally inferior to blogs with blog-ads?

(I just realized that this is yet another "turned upside down" part of the world... I thought that capitalism was supposed to be socially oppressive and altruism (charity or *giving* money) was supposed to be morally superior.)

Michael Yon uses paypal on ... (Below threshold)
Mark:

Michael Yon uses paypal on his site too in order to take donations. I guess he is just trying to make a buck off the blood of our soldiers in Iraq as well.

/sarcasm

to the leftist tools who th... (Below threshold)
gozorak:

to the leftist tools who think this is all about making a buck..I think this Dollard fellow would have made a HELL of alot more by staying in Hollywood and doing whatever it is he did in Hollywood. I dont think this is the kind of enterprise you go into if making money is your primary concern. ANd yes, putting his ass on the line along with the Marines for that long a period of time along with allowing the Marines uncensored and unfiltered access to the camera says alot.

You ever notice how leftists hate whenever our guys and gals in uniform are allowed to speak for themselves since the vast majority(whatever their personal opinion of the legitimacy of the war in Iraq)are ready and willing to do their job and do it well without feeling the need to apologize or beg for forgivness.

So, the media outlets that ... (Below threshold)
scsiwuzzy:

So, the media outlets that use pictures and stories (often exagerations) of soldiers and the war that give nothing "back" to the soldiers or their families are OK...
But a guy that makes a film about soldiers and states that donations made will send a portion to the soldiers and their families, he is a war profiteer.

So, Lee, what about Oliver Stone's WTC movie?

I haven't seen it Scsi - if... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I haven't seen it Scsi - if the film is relevant to this post, why don't you tell all of us about it, and tell us why you felt it's important enough to bring it up twice.

It is amazing that every po... (Below threshold)
Michael:

It is amazing that every political blog has one little booger who
smells it up with his "opinions". Lee why don't you take your "loser" opinions elsewhere. They certainly are not appreciated here.

Marxists and other <a href=... (Below threshold)

Marxists and other collectivists not only believe it is evil to solicit money from the general public, and not a government, for privately embarked-upon endeavors, they tend to believe that only endeavors performed by government employees (as well as funded by taxes -- collected, of course, by force of law) are above reproach and conducted by saints (government employees and politicians).

Their claim or implication that it's impossible for them to conceive of anyone engaged in any kind of private enterprise for benevolent reasons is actually a humilating psychological confession on their part.

How can you not see the rel... (Below threshold)

How can you not see the relevance of a film about a terrible disaster which will certainly make big bucks and which certainly a whole lot of people got paid better than I ever will to produce?

Is that not making money off the suffering of others, Lee?

Well, of course it is. So what about it? Are you going to condemn Oliver Stone the way you condemn Dollard?

Or is the the "patriot" part? Anti-war leftists get a pass on their capitalistic opportunism, while people who are pro-victory get slammed for so much as admiting that something as crass as money exists? Maybe you should just admit that you personally have a problem with Dollard and are projecting your feelings on his supposed motivations which you know nothing and can know nothing about?

And I'm STILL waiting for you to tell me how to recognize the pure of heart.

Or did it just sting too mu... (Below threshold)

Or did it just sting too much to hear the left called on their hypocracy?

I didn't see Oliver Stone s... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I didn't see Oliver Stone saying that if you donate money to him on Paypal, before his film was even finished much less released, that he would share the profits of his "film" with the families of soldiers killed in Iraq, Synova, do you?

At this point Dollard only has footage he's shot in Iraq, he doesn't even have a "film", and you're comparing Stone's film to him? I would have nothing against Dollard if he just outright asked for the donations to fund his film...

...but to dangle the grieving, heart-broken widows and orphans of American soldiers as a lure for a paypal donation to pay his rent - that just stinks.

Lee:Hmm, but its fin... (Below threshold)

Lee:
Hmm, but its fine to go pitch your movie to big bucks Hollywood, as long as you shape the film to conform to the beliefs of the donors?

So, Lee. If someone cared ... (Below threshold)

So, Lee. If someone cared about the widows and orphans, for real, instead of just wanting to pay their rent... how would they behave differently?

You STILL have not explained to me how to identify the pure of heart. You're imputing really *vile* motivation to someone you certainly don't know. Are you God, Lee?

Having fun, Lee? I bet you'... (Below threshold)
Doug L.:

Having fun, Lee? I bet you're chuckling there in front of your monitor....

Yes, there is NO discussion going on here with you. Synova and epador (to name two) have asked you to respond to specific questions. Do you? Nope, just more liberal regurgitation: "Pat Dollard, bad!! Oliver Stone, good!!" Talk about a wingnut....

How about this? Could we pay YOU to go away?

So, Lee. If someone care... (Below threshold)
Lee:

So, Lee. If someone cared about the widows and orphans, for real, instead of just wanting to pay their rent... how would they behave differently?

I'm not going to play 20 questions with you Synova. I guess you win, and I've been defeated. Feel better?

There is nothing "NEW" abou... (Below threshold)
epador:

There is nothing "NEW" about this "McCarthyism" in Hollywood.

There, a post that's on-topic.

Lee is a moral cretin and a... (Below threshold)

Lee is a moral cretin and an evolutionary deadend.

Is Lee claiming moral super... (Below threshold)

Is Lee claiming moral superiority again? Ah, (s)he's always good for a laugh, that Lee.

Doug L. at June 26, 2006 05... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

Doug L. at June 26, 2006 05:00 PM

Hey Lee,
What the hell do you believe in?

If it's anti-Bush, anti-Cheney, anti-Haliburton, anti-Big Awl, anti-Business, anti-Conservative, anti-Republican, anti-Libertarian, anti-Military, anti-Patriotism, anti-American, he believes in it. He's like the old man who stated, "I don't know what it is, but I'm agin' it!"

Devil's advocate is right. He reminds me of the the Bible major from a major Christian university I knew when I was a teenager. I once told him that he liked to argue so much, that if someone told him the sky was blue, he would argue that it was green just for the sake of argument. He had written what became one of my favorite sayings out of the front of his Bible, but he never observed it:
Talk is cheap, because the supply is greater than the demand.

Lee's words aren't worth the electricity it takes to power up his computer.

My point Lee, as other's ha... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

My point Lee, as other's have alluded to, it that Stone is making a movie based on single largest loss of life in the war between western civilization and islamo-fascism (note I did not say islam).
He will make money off it.
His tribute, in theory, will honor the 3,000-some people that lost their lives that day. Had them stolen without warning.
Dollard is making a film that will honor the 2000-some men and women that have given their lives since then in the hopes that another 9-11 can be prevented.

Stone has Hollywood bending over backwards to fund his film, Dollard does not. Given Stone's track record, and Dollard's lack of one, I can understand that.
So Dollard asks for donations to help make the film, and promises to pass part of the donations on to the soldiers and their families.

You won't comment on Stone's film because you haven't seen it.
But you will comment on Dollard's, which you also haven't seen.
Dollard who is "giving back" to you is wrong.

So what is your opinion of Stone making profit on the backs, bodies and blood of the WTC tragedy?

Now, do you plan to answer any questions, or to just continue beeing a shitbird?

Hey Lee,<br /... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Hey Lee,
What the hell do you believe in?

I believe in the freeedom of speech.

And I believe that, as I tried earlier, you guys really should focus on commenting on topic. When all you do is talk about me it makes you look like a bunch of ill-informed airheads who only spew rhetoric, instead of thoughtful, informed voters.

You won't comment on Sto... (Below threshold)
Lee:

You won't comment on Stone's film because you haven't seen it. But you will comment on Dollard's, which you also haven't seen. Dollard who is "giving back" to you is wrong."

I didn't domment on Dollard's film, I commented on Dollard's use of the grieving widows, widowers, and children of United States soldiers to solicit donations to his webiste paypal account.

Stone's film is irrelevant because Stone hasn't solicited donations through the same faux patritotic means.

LeeKeep it ... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Lee

Keep it up Lee. Your posts on most threads most of the time have been excellent as well as insightful.

When one has something to say that is not part of the Pavlovian Choirbook, one gets slammed by most of the posters here as I am sure you are well aware.

An agnostic in the Holy of Holies is anathma to these poll parrots.

Thanks, Mak. Believe me, it... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Thanks, Mak. Believe me, it's a pleasure!

Hey, did you see where Rush Limbaugh was detained at a Florida airport for carrying a Viagra prescription that was made out to one doctor by another doctor? He's facing a second-degree misdemeanor.

You can't write material this good! The republicans just hand it over on a silver platter - lol!

Leewas read... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Lee

was reading the posts about this Limbarf incident as you posted above.

It's amusing that he has to pee in a bottle periodically for the next 18 months.

LeeDon't mi... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Lee

Don't miss the lead stories tonite on rawstory.com

Lee & the Choir... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Lee & the Choir

Guess it's good thing about those contributions to the families of the dead GI's because it looks like they can use some assisstance.

The NYT will report tomorrow:

"The New York Times is set to report on Tuesday that the payment of benefits to widows of soldiers killed in Iraq, many of them with small children, is often beset by bureaucratic hangups"

I said: So, Lee. If someone... (Below threshold)

I said: So, Lee. If someone cared about the widows and orphans, for real, instead of just wanting to pay their rent... how would they behave differently?

Lee said: I'm not going to play 20 questions with you Synova. I guess you win, and I've been defeated. Feel better?

It wasn't that hard, Lee. Dollard said he'd give money he made to widows and orphans and you declared that this was proof of nefarious and vile intent.

Is it POSSIBLE for someone to simply *like* and respect soldiers, to want to tell their story to honor the reality they lived and to help the families of those who died (I believe Dollard witnessed the death of at least a couple of young men who may have well been his friends and the donations he intends may be to their specific families)?

Is that POSSIBLE, Lee?

Is it possible for *anyone* to have good intentions and to want to help the families of soldiers who have died?

I want to assume it's possible, yet if I follow *your* criteria I must impute vile motivation to *everyone* who mentions intentions to donate to good causes, because that's the only thing that you cite as proof.

So tell me how to tell the good-guys from the selfish bastards, Lee. That's all I've wanted you to do. At least *try* to explain what evidence you have that Dollard just wants to "make a buck off the blood of our soldiers in Iraq."

Do you have some *reason* for believing what you do, or is it just that he's pro-military?

I want to assume it's po... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I want to assume it's possible, yet if I follow *your* criteria I must impute vile motivation to *everyone* who mentions intentions to donate to good causes, because that's the only thing that you cite as proof.

No, just watch out for those who use the families of dead U.S. soldiers to solicit money on their website, Synova. That's all I've said.

Mak said:"The N... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Mak said:

"The New York Times is set to report on Tuesday that the payment of benefits to widows of soldiers killed in Iraq, many of them with small children, is often beset by bureaucratic hangups"

And what do you about that, Synova? Do you really care about this issue at all? Or only when you spot an attempt to harass a "liberal".

What are you going to do about the unust treatment afforded soldier's windows and children that Mak says will be reported in the Times tomorrow? Or is this where this particularly inconvenient truth will prompt you to declare the MSM is lying, and it's just a plot to get back at Bush?

Please, Syonva, show us your true colors. So far all I've seen is a whitewash attack on me while feigning concern over the windows and children Dollard propotes to help with those paypal donations.

What do you say about these "bureaucratic hangups", or do you really give a sh*t at all?

Lee like all Left cultists ... (Below threshold)

Lee like all Left cultists will not/cannot think. I don't speculate on its intentions, good or bad, but the cheatsheet of simplist dogma is evident.

No one that Lee disapproves of can ever have good intentions. It is no matter that Dollard actually went to Iraq and recorded events as they happened with the Marines. It is Dollard's politics that, for Lee, forever makes Dollard eeeevvvviiillll and incapable of one sincere thought.

One of Lee's ideological brethren on democraticunderground, upon hearing of the Islamist terrorists beheading the Russian hostages thought that the terrorists were really "CIAl Qaeda"...that it was a plot by Bush to get the Russians involved in Iraq.

See, to be a Left cult member is to be just LIKE an Islamist...one of the anointed, superior to all kaffir. Just as taqqiya by Islamists means never any obligation to speak truth to the infidel, so Leftists never have to deal in good faith with any non-leftists.

They claim to be for "Freedom" and "Peace" and "Justice" ...it makes them feel good to wave around signs at parades saying so. Hence anyone that dare disagree with them (or Markos) has got to be Imperialists or Islamophobic or "money grubbing".

There is no problem in the world, down to Markos' 'roids, that they can't blame BOOOOOSH for. Right next to their other boogeyman...the JOOOOOS.

Moral cretins, one and all.

Lee, you didn't advise anyo... (Below threshold)

Lee, you didn't advise anyone to be careful of being taken in, you said, "Hey look, another "patriot" trying to make a buck off the blood of our soldiers in Iraq. I'm surprised...." You made a JUDGMENT.

As for the other, what do you want me to say? Do you want an emotional response? Outrage? I've dealt with military finance myself and heard many first hand stories of screw-ups related to the present conflict. The fact that they can be expected doesn't mean that someone doesn't deserve a quick kick to the rear to get mixups fixed as quickly as possible with the least possible hassle to those trying to navigate the maze of paperwork and requirements. If a news story and publicity provides that butt kicking then Bravo!

Or are you under some wierd illusion that "bureaucratic hangups" is a euphamism for "don't give a sh*t." Hm?

If you want bureaucratic hangups concerning military finance young mothers and small children you should have been around during Desert Storm. It was a disaster. The military was caught with its pants around its ankles, women discovered they couldn't access their husband's paychecks or bank accounts to buy diapers or groceries, much less pay rent or bills. It was a serious hardship for a whole lot of people. Stuff like that still happens despite the huge efforts to fix the problem, but not so much, not like before. It really and truely was a *mess*.

So while I'm *concerned*, Lee, I'm not unaware. Nor do I assume that the problems indicate a lack of genuine care for the families of fallen or wounded soldiers. The finance departments have to find solutions to new problems every time situations change and like all HUGE government operations any sort of institutional change is difficult.

A kick in the butt is *highly* appropriate. And if some brass are embarassed, it's well deserved for failing to proactively solve the problems.

I doubt that is quite *emotional* enough for you, but there it is.

SynovaLee is engag... (Below threshold)

Synova

Lee is engaging in typical cultist behavior. It holds America up to utopian standards, and finding it wanting, declares it a failure.

The NYTimes...a paper that has been treading the treason stage lately, has one of those "human interest" stories that while new to new ears, highlights why the terms FUBAR and SNAFU were coined by those IN the military.

Military Fails Some Widows Over Benefits

This is not a tail of a mustachioed Simon LeGree cackling over tossing widows and children into snow banks. This is a massive bureaucracy that, from sheer volume of paperwork, looses shit. And is so inflexible in response that some DO fall through the cracks.

This has been going on since...oh...George Washington's time!

Does that excuse the problems? No. But it puts it in perspective. It's like the DMV or the IRS or any number of government agencies bogged down by their own sheer weight and their own regulations.

Jaysus on a Pony... I'm a government worker and I see it all the time!

Lee is trying to make it evvvvviillll intentions.

Lee can sit on it and spin.

Military Fail... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Military Fails Some Widows Over Benefits

This is not a tail of a mustachioed Simon LeGree cackling over tossing widows and children into snow banks. This is a massive bureaucracy that, from sheer volume of paperwork, looses shit. And is so inflexible in response that some DO fall through the cracks.

This has been going on since...oh...George Washington's time!

Does that excuse the problems? No. But it puts it in perspective. It's like the DMV or the IRS or any number of government agencies bogged down by their own sheer weight and their own regulations.

Jaysus on a Pony... I'm a government worker and I see it all the time!

Lee is trying to make it evvvvviillll intentions.

Lee can sit on it and spin.

"I'm a government worker and I see it all the time!"

What I want to know is how many chocolate bon-bons you consumed during the writing of your comments tonight, Darlene.

The Hollywood folks have si... (Below threshold)
PTG:

The Hollywood folks have simply illustrated a karmic principle: people who give themselves over to hatred eventually become indistinguishable from the object of their hate.

They hated the McCarthy blacklist and all that it stood for so much and for so long that they were blinded. They turned into what they hated, little McCarthys, without even noticing.

Dealing with that stuff was... (Below threshold)

Dealing with that stuff was my least favorite part of the military... and I still haven't forgiven whoever it was that decided to change dependant health benifits from "haul your kid to see the base doctor" to "fill out this civilian style health insurance claim paperwork even though we're ultimately paying for it anyway" improvement during Clinton's administration.

Oh, and I particularly like how every offical form has the numbers for the paperwork burden in time printed on it so you know just how much of your life they expect you to waste filling it all out.

(Come to think of it, that may be for the whole government and not just the military.)

PTG, I think the tendancy t... (Below threshold)

PTG, I think the tendancy to believe in tolerance just so long as it involves something or someone you find agreeable is pretty widespread among those who think that their outrage is somehow significant just because they *feel* it.

LeeI work in a DA ... (Below threshold)

Lee

I work in a DA office.

Try not to get in trouble in my jurisdiction, ok? I'd love to make sure YOUR report gets special attention.

I saw a clip of "Young Amer... (Below threshold)
Wickedpinto:

I saw a clip of "Young American's" I wouldn't say it was "Pro-American" I would say it was "A servicemembers point of view." Servicemembers tend to love America, so yeah, but, the distinction is that it's individuals who are "immature patriots" who make something next to jack [email protected]#T, getting shot at telling a real story from a valid point of view, rather than from the point of view of a fat pig who spends most of his time in France, using file footage.

Sorry...

Didn't formulate my comment very well.

SynovaWhen my pare... (Below threshold)

Synova

When my parents married in 1951, my dad was called back to active duty and had shipping orders for Korea. On the day he was supposed to leave, they rescinded the orders because they wanted him to stay stateside and be a DI..which he was at Camp Cook in California.

But while HE was here his paperwork went THERE and they wouldn't pay him for three months until they could be sure he wasn't THERE.

THEN, they wouldn't give him his back pay all at once, but spread it out over several months.

SNAFU is an Army expression for a reason!

Try not to get in troubl... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Try not to get in trouble in my jurisdiction, ok?

Ok, Darlene, I promise to never run the copy machine any faster than 10 pages per minute.

Ok, first, Pat Dollard.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ok, first, Pat Dollard.

I'm not buying it. Blacklisted? First, look at his IMDB page. He has produced or executive produced 5 films since 1999, the most recent being 2005. And a quick google came up with an interesting article about Dollard. It's behind the wall but Mudville Gazette quotes it extensively.

Whether Mr. Dollard's planned documentary will ever see the light of day is far from certain. When he first went to Iraq with a camera for three months in early 2005, Mr. Soderbergh and George Clooney were involved with the project, and Mr. Dollard said he was negotiating with HBO and Mark Cuban, owner of the cable network HDNet.

Earlier this year, however, HBO found the scenes it was shown too unconventional for its use, according to a senior HBO executive, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid further embarrassing Mr. Dollard. The manager turned director failed to show up for the meeting, the executive said, instead sending an emissary whose behavior caused him to be escorted from the building.

.....

''From the time I knew him, he was a hard-core right-wing hawk, of the Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz variety,'' said Jeremy Barber, a United Talent Agency agent who was once president of the production and management company Catch 23 and hired Mr. Dollard. In liberal Hollywood, Mr. Dollard proudly drove a Hummer with the license plate ''US Wins.''

Mr. Dollard's turn to a military mission followed several years of failed business ventures -- despite his lucrative position as Mr. Soderbergh's manager -- and came in the wake of a lifelong struggle against drug addiction, which Mr. Dollard has discussed openly in the past.

......

In the early 1990's Mr. Dollard was an agent, but he eventually left that work to become a full-time manager to Mr. Soderbergh and others. In 1999 he joined the cutting-edge Propaganda Films to run its management arm.

While there, Mr. Dollard contributed to what he has called his proudest achievement in Hollywood: finding the financing for ''Traffic,'' Mr. Soderbergh's award-winning film about the drug wars. Mr. Dollard, who during periods of sobriety attended Alcoholics Anonymous, has said he regards his efforts as part of his personal recovery.

In 2001 Propaganda folded under financial pressures, and Mr. Dollard became involved with several management and production ventures, each of which eventually closed.

''As the company disintegrated, Pat's warrior tendencies emerged,'' Mr. Barber said of Catch 23, one of the shuttered firms. ''That was his fallback. Pat is a warrior, but Pat is also enormously fragile.''

Ok I don't think I should quote any more but you get the idea. He has had a string of jobs in Hollywood, some failed ventures, a number of recent production credits, and then he was working with Clooney and Soderbergh to make documentary show about the war. But HBO didn't like the footage, and Dollard was absent for meetings and sent some nut instead. I don't think anyone should take Dollard's story about being blacklisted very seriously. When people were blacklisted in Hollywood during the Red Scare they couldn't get work at all. Having one network not produce your show doesn't compare, especially for someone who has found so much work in the town he says he's "blacklisted" in.

Second, Lee.Do you... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Second, Lee.

Do you have a job? I tried reading the thread but it's all people responding to the meaningless bombs you throw. I took a quick look at your posts (faster than reading the thread) and here's what came out:

04:08 PM
04:44 PM
05:20 PM
05:23 PM
06:05 PM
07:16 PM
08:09 PM
Dinner
10:21 PM
10:53 PM
11:04 PM
11:38 PM
11:48 PM
12:49 AM
01:56 AM

That's 14 posts in 10 hours with scarcely an hour filling the largest gap between posts (except for dinner. What'd ya have? Was it good? Great.). And that's on this one post alone! Considering few posts aren't graced with your musings, I can only come to the conclusion that you spend all day commenting on this site. What the hell, man?

As soon as you read this, I want you to do something. Turn off the computer, go outside, and get to work, find a job, go to class, get a girlfriend, move out of your mom's basement, go to the doctor to have that thing removed, find an exorcist, or do whatever the thing is you are now ignoring in your life by spending all day commenting here!

mantis, I just have to say ... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

mantis, I just have to say it is a pleasure reading your comments, even when you are (most of the time) in disagreement with those I agree with. You're sometimes snarky, but never trollish.

John, mantis did start out ... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

John, mantis did start out as a bit of a troll, and occasionally still trends that way, but for the most part he's become more of a gadfly -- annoying, but honest and respectful. He tends to keep us on our toes, and while I might not LIKE his comments, I do begrudgingly appreciate them.

Lee, though, on the other hand... mantis nailed that twit perfectly.

J.

That's probably the most I'... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

That's probably the most I've ever agreed with mantis.

Even though I generally disagree with them, mantis, jp2, and mak are basically tolerable (for lefties, :-) ).

Lee, on the other hand is Wizbang's very own living, breathing dingleberry. And that's his best quality.

Might help also if "pucker ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Might help also if "pucker puss" could come up with something new once in awhile.(same song -500th verse)

I think that the case could... (Below threshold)

I think that the case could be made that calling it "blacklisted" and "McCarthyism" is overstating the problem. I don't *know* how much of an impediment it is to find work if people know you're conservative, but I hardly think anyone would try to claim that Hollywood is *neutral*.

Oh... and Dollard has conne... (Below threshold)

Oh... and Dollard has connections and a track record. Whenever I get to the "pitch my script" stage, you can bet my politics will be in full stealth mode.

Gee whiz Lee, when even tho... (Below threshold)

Gee whiz Lee, when even those on your side of the aisle start telling you to get a life, you might want to seriously think about taking their advice.

Lee:You're a sad l... (Below threshold)
Sgt. B:

Lee:

You're a sad little man. I'm a Marine Iraq vet who does volunteer work for Pat Dollard, and have intimate knowledge of Pat's financial situation and business plan. Since you can't seem to understand the plain English printed on his website, let me put it into "Barney" terms for you: He's not making a penny off of this project. You feign righteous indignation about misuse of my fellow marine's and soldier's blood, when you're only intention is to use their blood and the war as a weapon for a personal political agenda: to hurt your political enemies, ie. the Republican Party. Now that is some sick, twisted, self-absorbed Ugly American, pathologically self-centered shit. And Pat Dollard shed his own blood. He was wounded twice in massive IED strikes against his Humvees. He watched friends die; he wiped buddies brains off of his fingers. If in your mnd such risks and the endurance of such horrors are a typically selfish business plan, then you're retarded. But you're not; you're just a couch-potato propagandist willfully ignoring the facts of Pat's work and sacrifice. Pat made an assload representing Steven Soderbergh and others in Hollywood. Now he makes nothing, but merely spends his savings on this project. And as for your statement that in an interview he said he'd have to get a real job if this didn't work, that's an outright lie, or a dumb misunderstanding on your part. He says he may have to go back to Ramadi to finish the story there if it is reaching a Fallujah-style climax, as an appropriate way to finish his Ramadi chapter - not as a paying gig. He's never been paid to go to Iraq.
He pays for everything. You have no interest in analyzing the importance of a victory over Al-Qaeda in Iraq to world security; you have no interest in what is good for the Iraqi people. Your only interest in Iraq is as a political weapon against your political enemies. You can blather and talking-point all you want. But we all see through you like the cheap, fraying suit that your tired talking points are.

Oh, and as for the quotes f... (Below threshold)
Sgt. B:

Oh, and as for the quotes from Mantis above about an article supposedly from the Mudville Gazette, that is also a factual misrepresentation. The story was by Sharon Waxman of the NY Times, and merely reprinted by the Gazette. The Gazette, in fact, attacked the Ny Times for it's obvious smear of Pat. Sharon Waxman has had a long-standing feud with Mr. Dollard, and when she hounded him for an interview upon his return from Ramadi, he refused and sent her two insulting emails dismissing her as nothing more than a "gossip columnist". So, surprise, surprise, Sharon does a smear piece full of outright lies. Jeremy Barber is a died in the wool liberal who was actually responsible for the downfall of Catch 23 ( he was it's President, and was fired. Pat was asked to stay ). Can you imagine the NY Times doing a hit piece on a Conservative? Don't believe everything you read; Sharon's own colleagues at the paper have publicly labeled her "the most corrected reporter at the NY Times." Dollard has guided Soderbergh's career since 1989. The producing credits are light because that was just a side-gig, and he got credit for helping out small projects he had a passion for. Let's be real...using the Times for accurate information about a pro-war Conservative is about as smart as turning to Lee for enlightenment.




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