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Breaking: Valerie Plame Files Suit

Valerie Plame has just filed a lawsuit in US District Court against VP Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and Lewis Libbey claiming that they conspired to ruin her carreer.

The CIA officer whose identity was leaked to reporters sued Vice President Dick Cheney, his former top aide and presidential adviser Karl Rove on Thursday, accusing them and other White House officials of conspiring to destroy her career.


In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court, Valerie Plame and her husband, Joseph Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador, accused Cheney, Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby of revealing Plame's CIA identity in seeking revenge against Wilson for criticizing the Bush administration's motives in Iraq.

Rumors of a lawsuit were flying several months ago.

I quoted Ed Lasky in my post about the rumor since he didn't think it would happen because Wilson/Plame weren't stupid enough to subject themselves to the rigors of discovery:

Wilson would have to be really dumb to expose himself and his wife to the rigors of discovery in a civil action. I have always wondered how two civil servants were able to afford an expensive home in one of Washington's finest neighborhoods, for example. Wilson has gotten kid glove treatment from the press. He may just be stupid enough to expose himself to an adversary equipped with subpoena power.

I guess so.

Update: John Podhoretz can 't wait:

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, Valerie. Because, you see, if the suit is summarily dismissed, she and Joe will be laughingstocks. And if it goes any further, Dick and Karl and Scooter will have the right to do discovery -- and then, I believe, Val 'n' Joe will reap the whirlwind.

Update II: Greg Tinti at Outside the Beltway comments:

According to Wilsons' lawyer, "this lawsuit concerns the intentional and malicious exposure by senior officials of the federal government of [Plame]." And, despite the lower burden of proof in a civil case, there still hasn't been one shred of evidence that indicates an "intentional and malicious" effort by anyone to specifically "out" Plame.
Lorie adds: I think we have a big promotional move here. Has the movie been cast yet? The thought of all the facts coming out in a court of law is something that I find quite delicious, but something I would be surprised to see. This is all about having a forum in which to repeat the Plame-Wilson accusations against the Bush administration. Since they stand in stark contrast to all the facts coming out this week, the mainstream media coverage should be especially interesting to watch. For those who have not been following the story this week, Wizbang has had the best coverage in the blogosphere. See here, here, here, here, here and here for a primer.

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Comments (81)

These people are looney and... (Below threshold)
serfer62:

These people are looney and yet this is a very clever lawsuit. The VP has NO chance of winning anything in a DC court...

I guess she doesn't want to... (Below threshold)

I guess she doesn't want to take full credit for her own actions and wants to share, huh?

They've already shown thems... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

They've already shown themselves stupid enough (sending husband on trip/publishing in NYT/Vanity Fair, etc).

For one to be found guilty of a civil conspiracy, wouldn't there need to be PROOF of an actual conspiracy???

Where is the proof, besides Mr. and Mrs. Plame whining about themselves???

I'm not sure what the groun... (Below threshold)

I'm not sure what the grounds are for filing a lawsuit. She had already given up her career as a secret agent. She had a desk job at Langley. She wasn't fired, she's the one who quit. She 'could' allege constructive discharge (I was forced to quit), but since she was a hero to the anti-bush CIA, it's unlikely anybody there gave her a hard enough time to make her quit. And, in any event, I can't imagine that CIA staff enjoy a whole lot of civil service protections... they serve (or ought to serve) at the pleasure of the powers-that-be... and if the powers that be wanted her gone, so be it.

I call Joe Wilson to the st... (Below threshold)
10k:

I call Joe Wilson to the stand ... case dismissed.

Fizzzzmassss needs something to stay afloat.

Why isn't Novak named in th... (Below threshold)

Why isn't Novak named in the suit? He was the one who leaked her name to the world.

An obvious attempt to keep ... (Below threshold)
Rick13:

An obvious attempt to keep a non-story going.

Lol, even before the debati... (Below threshold)
cris:

Lol, even before the debating of the case in court, you ring-winger already made final verdict. lol
Does US need a court system at all?

Lol, even before the debati... (Below threshold)
cris:

Lol, even before the debating of the case in court, you ring-winger already made final verdict. lol
Does US need a court system at all?

PS: At least Chris Mathews ... (Below threshold)
Rick13:

PS: At least Chris Mathews will have something to smile about tonight! Not that anyone will be watching.

Couldn't this result in Wil... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Couldn't this result in Wilson being charged with lying to congress and Plame being indicted for hiring a totally unqualified relative? Actually hyping an unqualified relative be put one the government payroll.
Somewhere in history I remember that both of these actions are considered criminal, not civil, actions. Lets see, criminal actions vs unfounded and unprovable civil actions. Who loses. Think the Federal prison system has kept Martha's cell clean?

Joe & Valerie must have see... (Below threshold)
langtry:

Joe & Valerie must have seen a downturn in the number of invites to Lefty soirees and weekends with Graydon Carter in The Hamptons. Hence the lawsuit and it's charge that anyone other than Joe & Valerie's loose lips caused her career (what it was following her decision to become a mother at 40+) to decline.

The whole affair has been the greatest thing to happen to their social lives, as hostesses in DC (google Sally Quinn's comments on L'Affaire de Plame) had found Joe Wilson a boorish braggart until he became a tool for injuring Bush, Rove, Cheney et al. Seeing themselves as victims has probably brought them together closer than ever before.

The pathology of these two could provide great fodder for a PsyD dissertation, if anyone was brave enough to do it!

"Lol, even before the debat... (Below threshold)
tarheelcon:

"Lol, even before the debating of the case in court, you ring-winger already made final verdict. lol
Does US need a court system at all?"

You mean the same way liberals handed down verdicts on Cheney and Rove in regards to Plame's outing?

Why is it that EVERY TIME l... (Below threshold)

Why is it that EVERY TIME lefties lose, they file lawsuits?

;^)

langtry and tarheelcon get ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

langtry and tarheelcon get top honors. Double touche.

What are Ms. Plame's damages, pray tell? Too much publicity? Being forced onto the cover of Vanity (yes, indeed) Fair?

What are the correct terms for Wilson--a "dandy," "fop," "narcissus," "peacock," "poseur," "poser."

Wow, I just realized this extends to most of the Democrats currently in ascendancy.

This should be big news lea... (Below threshold)
Lee:

This should be big news leading into the '08 elections -- you can expect White House attempts to block subpeonas -- we'll no doubt see AG Gonzales arguing that Cheney can't be required to testify -- our nation will look on in horror as the story unfolds, nightly, in the news.

and Wilson was right - the adminstration did lie. Got them on "motive" as well.

Ouch, this is gonna leave a mark, Republicans.

I think Lee just had a wet ... (Below threshold)

I think Lee just had a wet dream.

Icky.

Keep dreaming, Lee. The onl... (Below threshold)
michaelt:

Keep dreaming, Lee. The only thing you are right about is that there's going to be a mark left....either on Wilson, if the suit goes all the way, or on the nutroots, if it gets tossed.

After all that's been revea... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

After all that's been revealed this week, do you honestly think that Rove or Cheney (let alone Republicans) are scared of this meaningless lawsuit? Come on.

This should be big news leading into the '08 elections

I'm sure you mean '06. And that is the only reason why they are doing this, the '06 elections. This is nothing more than a political ploy to influence the elections, lawsuit probably won't go much further after them.

Having practiced in Federal... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Having practiced in Federal Court, I might remind some of the nutjobs (that's you, Lee) that a Federal Judge isn't going to screw around with a law suit. It won't be the O.J. case; most Fed. Judges would probably be peeved that the docket is going to get clogged up with this garbage.

He'll not waste any time dismissing a cause of action if there is no evidence to back it up. And there is none that we've seen to date.

Oh, and discovery works both ways; I can guarantee you that the defense attorneys are going to ask for anything and everything pertaining to CIA leaks/involvement as well as NYTimes involvement. And all those Wilsonian inconsistencies and untruths will be used against the Fop.

J.R. - Lawsuits don't come ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

J.R. - Lawsuits don't come to trial that quickly - this will drag on into 07 and 08. Expect a couple years of pain from this.

his will drag on into 07... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

his will drag on into 07 and 08. Expect a couple years of pain from this.

And Lee gets an erection a cat couldn't scratch, LOL

If Lee thinks this will be ... (Below threshold)

If Lee thinks this will be painful, I suspect he is just being plain hopeful. Cheney is not a poor man. He will hire a top notch team of lawyers, write the check and sleep soundly at night.

The Wilsons, on the other hand, will most likely be the ones to get smacked. Unlike the Grand Jury where only one side gets to ask the questions, The other side gets to ask questions too and me thinks the Wilsions might not like some of the answers they have to give.

VW

Lorie adds: "For those w... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Lorie adds: "For those who have not been following the story this week, Wizbang has had the best coverage in the blogosphere. See here, here, here, here, here and here for a primer."

Including Paul's pathetic posts as examples of "coverage" is hilarious. His childish vocalization of his anger towards the MSM (apparently Paul tried to get a job as legitimate journalist and failed, hence the axe he grinds constantly against the evil MSM), and his repeated deletion of comments that prove him wrong, barely qualify his posts as "fish wrap", much less "coverage".

Yeeeeehawwww!... (Below threshold)

Yeeeeehawwww!

It's early morning. The ... (Below threshold)
natalie maines:

It's early morning. The stench of a bed unmade for days hangs in the air. Valerie turns over slowly, so as not to wake Joe. Even so, raising the blanket rolls the empty bottle of vodka to the edge of the bed where it hesitates, as though daring Valerie to catch it before it falls.

This morning was no different from the mornings of the past year following the trial. Not yet able to stand erect, she could no more have caught that bottle than she could fly. The empty vessel disappeared from sight and landed with a gentle thud upon the lightly stained cheap pile carpet.

How fortunate, thought Valerie. Had this been the old townhouse, the bottle would surely have broken on the hardwood floor.

Valerie mused over the warning she once received- that it is costly to lose.

Oh damn, forgot the mandato... (Below threshold)

Oh damn, forgot the mandatory gun-fire. Yeeeehaawwwww !
*BANG BANG BANG*

Hey Lee, try me.
You're clueless.

They filed suit after</i... (Below threshold)
John Anderson:

They filed suit after Novak's statements? Yeah, he said Rove confirmed she worked at the CIA - but then, the CIA also confirmed it. This is a secret? And the name Plame he got from the Who's Who entry - written by the Wilsons!

Plame filed suit after they... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Plame filed suit after they were told -- as Novak recently confirmed -- that the investigation had been completed.

The fact that Novak lied puts Cheney in the uncomfortable position of having to confirm or deny, but probably wasn't a factor in the timing of the lawsuit.

The republicans are really over a barrel now.

Lee has a very active fanta... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Lee has a very active fantasy life, as you can see.

Mitchell said: "Having p... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Mitchell said: "Having practiced in Federal Court, I might remind some of the nutjobs (that's you, Lee) that a Federal Judge isn't going to screw around with a law suit. It won't be the O.J. case; most Fed. Judges would probably be peeved that the docket is going to get clogged up with this garbage."

Oh, I would be so impressed, were in not for the fact hat you are wrong...

Libby's criminal trial is set to begin in January '07. This civil trial will occur after the completion of the criminal trial.

You obviously need more practice, Mitchell, because you don't know what you're talking about (re: when the trial will occur) and you are instead just stating your opinion (that the judges will be peeved).

In what state do you practice? "Inebriated"? - lol

I hope Libby counter-sues t... (Below threshold)
GeminiChuck:

I hope Libby counter-sues them because the Wilsons' lies ruined his government career. That's really all that has happend after 2 1/2 years of investigations.

I think the timing of this ... (Below threshold)
JP:

I think the timing of this is obvious, trying to overshadow the Novak Story of yesterday. If you read the mainstream articles none of them mention that Novak got Plames name from "WHo's WHo"...

what are odds this gets thrown out

Well this trial will be a g... (Below threshold)
cate s.:

Well this trial will be a good laugh. I wonder who will be outfitting Mrs. Wilson (wife of the AmbASSador) for the trial.
I'm sure Lee will be down at the trial everyday when he's not hanging out with his friend Ehren.

Seems to me this is yet ano... (Below threshold)
Mark H.:

Seems to me this is yet another example of the left being unable to resist running against Bush.

While they're all slapping each other on the back on how great it will be to win something, anything, as surely as they believed in Fitzmas, the real race will be proceeding apace and they'll lose yet again in '08.

Added Bonus: Joe/Val will, rather than extend their 15 minutes of fame into a half-hour, convert it into a chapter of permanent ridicule in the history books.

From Plame and Wilson's Pre... (Below threshold)
Lee:

From Plame and Wilson's Press Release:

The Complaint specifies that each of the Wilsons has been deprived of their First and Fifth Amendment rights; each has suffered a gross invasion of their privacy; each has been impaired in pursuing professional opportunities; and that they fear for their safety and the safety of their children as a result of the wrongful public disclosures. In addition, the Complaint alleges that Valerie Wilson was impaired in her ability to carry out her duties at the CIA, and to pursue her career at the agency in further service to her country, as she had planned. While no specific dollar amount is requested, the suit seeks compensatory damages, punitive damages and attorneys' fees and costs.

Excerpts from the complaint:

"The lawsuit concerns the intentional and malicious exposure by senior officials of the federal government of one such human source at the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, whose job it was to gather intelligence to make the nation safer, and who risked her life for her country."

"The Defendants reached an agreement to discredit, punish, and seek revenge against the Plaintiffs . . . . Said agreement was motivated by an invidiously discriminatory animus towards those who had publicly criticized the administration's stated justifications for going to war with Iraq."

"The Defendants chose not to address publicly, directly, and on the merits why they may have thought Mr. Wilson was wrong or unfair in his statements on the President's misstatements. Rather, they embarked on an anonymous 'whispering campaign' designed to discredit and injure the Plaintiffs and to deter other critics from publicly speaking out."

"But for Mr. Wilson coming forward, it is unlikely that the Administration ever would have acknowledged its error. The fact that the administration had to admit its mistake is one likely reason why the Defendants chose to attack the Wilsons"

"The Defendants fraudulently concealed the existence of the Plaintiffs' cause of action . . . by, among other things, giving false or misleading testimony to federal law enforcement personnel and/or the federal grand jury empanelled to investigate the unlawful publication of Plaintiff Valerie Plame Wilson's classified CIA employment..."

Full text of the complaint here

Sorry - link to the full te... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Sorry - link to the full text of the complaint (pdf) is at the bottom of the page found at the link above.

People on the left tend to ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

People on the left tend to cry that their patriotism is being questioned. Here is Eric Alterman calling Novak and Rove TRAITORS. That's a bit more severe than questioning their patriotism. What an effing hypocrite!

Eric, here's what George Bu... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Eric, here's what George Bush said on April 26, 1999 (emphasis added)

"As our analysts know, as our collectors of intelligence know, these are our enemies. To combat them we need more intelligence, not less. We need more human intelligence. That means we need more protection for the methods we use to gather intelligence and more protection for our sources, particularly our human sources, people that are risking their lives for their country."

"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."


Novak and Rove are traitors, according to President Bush's definition.

People on the left tend ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

People on the left tend to cry that their patriotism is being questioned. Here is Eric Alterman calling Novak and Rove TRAITORS. That's a bit more severe than questioning their patriotism. What an effing hypocrite!

I get called a traitor here weekly, just for expressing my opinion. What's the big deal?

Valeries life was so at ris... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Valeries life was so at risk she did a Vanity Fair spread.

ok.

natalie maines: speaking o... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

natalie maines: speaking of "empty vessels" . . .Ms. Plame goes to bed with one every night (and it ain't the vodka bottle).

Likewise, if she went to bed with Lee. But Lee's peeny is so small, I don't think he'd get more than one night in the sack, if only to compare how small it is to Mr. Plame's.

Lee, what do you do for a living, if anything? I have never seen someone post on a blog as much as you. Why don't you start your own blog.

Then, no one will have to scroll through it. I doubt you'd have any readers. Besides Ms. Frisch.

Lee is an idiot, by any def... (Below threshold)

Lee is an idiot, by any definition.

Can you say, "summary judgement?"

I knew that you could.

Not one single offer of proof on any allegation. Make the Wilson-Plames pay the legal bills for all defendants.

Adjoran, and you think a su... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Adjoran, and you think a summary judgement will be granted without knowing the outcome of Libby's criminal trial?

You are a moron, by all definitions.

Umm, unless I'm mistaken, i... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Umm, unless I'm mistaken, isn't that "Who's Who" thing one of those idiotic scams you have to pay money to to be listed in?

And Wilson DID IT?

Geez.

We'll hear the Wilsons whining when discovery makes them look like total schmucks.

Kids, this is what happens when people believe that an echo chamber is, in fact, reality.
-=Mike

I wonder why the original l... (Below threshold)
jack:

I wonder why the original leaker (Richard Armitage?) wasn't named? Maybe the discovery process will help smoke him out.

Lee drooled at July 13, 200... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

Lee drooled at July 13, 2006 08:07 PM

Adjoran, and you think a summary judgement will be granted without knowing the outcome of Libby's criminal trial?

You are a moron, by all definitions.

Again Lee, Kettle meet Pot.

The two trials, if there ever are any, are not connected in any way, shape or form. One does not depend on the outcome of the other. Look again at what Libby is being charged with you tool. Does it have anything to do with outing anyone? NO!

The only reason that Plame's trial may be after Libby's trial, if there is one, is because of the litigation process in a civil suit. You know Lee those pesky motions and discovery and all, it kinda slows things down, and costs lots of money.

Oh, and where exactly have you been practicing law Lee, since you feel you know so much.

What a hopeless troll.

I cannot wait for discovery... (Below threshold)
Robert:

I cannot wait for discovery to find out all the juicy secrets about Mr. and Mrs. Joe Wilson! Oh this is going to be fun! Smoking Gun is going to be bookmarked now!

DavidB vomited, spewing for... (Below threshold)
Lee:

DavidB vomited, spewing forth: The two trials, if there ever are any, are not connected in any way, shape or form. One does not depend on the outcome of the other. Look again at what Libby is being charged with you tool. Does it have anything to do with outing anyone? NO!

Look again at the lawsuit filed by Plame/Wilson. The criminal case must be resolved first before the civil case can be argued. Whether Libby is guilty of lying, and what exactly is the truth, must be known before any judge is going to rule on the civil case. Hint: Cheney is named because he is Libby's supervisor. Is Libby guilty of a criminal act or not..?

Are you a professional moron or is this just a hobby for you, DavidB? You come off as rank amateur, big on mouth, lacking in brains. Just my opinion...

Lee, my bad. In fact, you ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Lee, my bad. In fact, you have no penis.

And no law license, obviously. Stick to your day job at motor vehicles or near the faculty lounge, or whatever you do the few moments of the day you aren't posting here.

The criminal case is on a totally different track and the civil case will not be held up for the criminal, or vice versa.

If you have a law license, dirt ball, please let me have your license number so I can report you to the state bar for incompetence. And sheer stupidity.

Worthless troll.

URGENT!Even as the a... (Below threshold)
Truth 9/11:

URGENT!
Even as the administration exploited this Official Story (or "Official Conspiracy Theory") as the pretext to launch new wars long in the making, independent researchers began to accumulate a vast body of evidence suggesting a different narrative for 9/11: that of the Inside Job.
The 9/11 events and the anomalies in the official story raised Unanswered Questions about:
- the unprecedented failure of the US air defense system on the morning of the attacks;
- the AWOL military chain of command during the actual attacks, including the inexplicable behavior of the presidential entourage;
- the seeming impossibility of official claims with regard to Flight 77;
- the evidence that Flight 93 was shot down;
- contradictions and dubious evidence in the official claims about the alleged hijackers and masterminds, and doubts about their real identities;
- signs that the alleged hijackers enjoyed high-level protection against discovery by honest investigators;
- evidence that the alleged hijackers were financed by states allied with US intelligence;
- suspicious and massive international financial trades suggesting foreknowledge of the attacks;
- widespread signs of official foreknowledge and, in fact, advance preparation for the 9/11 attack scenario;
- the long-running links between Islamist fundamentalist terror cells and US covert operations, dating back to CIA support for the anti-Soviet mujahedeen and Osama Bin Ladin himself;
- the demolition-like collapse of the Twin Towers and of a third skyscraper, WTC 7;
- and questions concerning who could have logically expected to derive benefit in the aftermath of a massive attack on the United States.
The suspicions received further confirmation a few weeks after September 11th, with the arrival of anthrax letters targeted only at opposition politicians and media figures, and timed to coincide with the introduction of the USA PATRIOT Act.
Google: 9/11 inside job


Lee, dribbled all over hims... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

Lee, dribbled all over himself and said,

Look again at the lawsuit filed by Plame/Wilson.

You idiot, you are the one who needs to read it again and maybe get a clue about reading comprehension.

Where, WHERE, in the filing does it say anything about delaying the civil trial until the outcome of the criminal trial? NO WHERE! You are a moron, pure and simple. In fact, the civil complaint is based on supposed evidence that is available currently, or they would not have been able to refer to it as evidence to support their claim. Get an f**king clue, or go back to school and read those books this time, STOP EATING THE COVERS!

They may file a motion to delay the trial until the conclusion of the criminal trial, but that is not a foregone conclusion that can be made now, unless you are troll Lee. The outcome of any motion depends on supporting case law and the feelings of the judge, not some internet troll like you Lee.

Just my opinion...

Essentially useless . . .

Oh, and just to add . . . <... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

Oh, and just to add . . .

Don't let facts get in your way Lee, you never have in the past, and you have never been able to support your POV with self same facts.

bwaaaaaaaaa Lee you are en... (Below threshold)
Bowling:

bwaaaaaaaaa Lee you are entertaining at best. How many "thingies" has the anti-american left try to pin on Busco?

I have totally lost count, since there is so many. from the gay reporter to you name it, you guys have failed over and over and over and over and over again.

live with it

"I think Lee just had a wet... (Below threshold)
RobLACa.:

"I think Lee just had a wet dream.

Icky" Posted by: epador.


Ha ha ha ! Lee your a joke. Your good for laughs , that's about it. HA HA HA!!!

Cheney doesn't have to do s... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Cheney doesn't have to do squat. He has to prove NOTHING.

Then again, there's no "there" there.

Valerie and Joe will rue this day.

Lee:Let me probe y... (Below threshold)

Lee:

Let me probe your knowledge of litigation tactics by asking that you answer a few simple questions.

These are true/false questions. Assume for purposes of this exercise that the case gets to the discovery stage.

1. Mr. and Mrs. Wilson will separately have to answer several days worth of questions by attorneys for each of the defendants (Libby, Rove and Cheney)under oath and in front of a court reporter.

2. The questions will be about every allegation in the case.

3. The questioning will take place without any judge present?

4. The questioning will take place after all documents which the Wilsons claim support their case are produced to defendants' attorneys, including notes and emails they have made about conversations they had regarding the case, and after they have answered questions in writing about evidence supporting each allegation.

5. The questioning may be recorded by videotape, and will be a matter of public record.

On the day that Val and Joe... (Below threshold)
Neo:

On the day that Val and Joe WIlson file a suit for invasion of privacy, violating their freedom of speech and hurting their future employment prospects AND set up a legal FUND!!! They announced a book deal (this time with S&S) and still had time to attend a DNC policy conference.

Is it just me, but a "invasion of privacy, violating their freedom of speech" suit on the day you announce a book deal makes them look like a living and breathing oxymoron.

"...there still hasn't b... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"...there still hasn't been one shred of evidence that indicates an "intentional and malicious" effort by anyone to specifically 'out' Plame."-- Greg T.

Not so fast, Greg. During the civil trial, we may well get one Chris Matthews testifying under oath that Karl Rove told him this about Valerie Plame:

"She's fair game."

To which Ms. Wilson shall reply:

"A game you'll lose and a game you never should have played!"

I'm looking forward to the trial!

Truth 9/11:Get hel... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Truth 9/11:

Get help. Quick!

So the whole case boils dow... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

So the whole case boils down to: "she's fair game." Oh boy, that's a "slam dunk" as Ms. Plame's boss once said.

Oh dear Lord please. Help these poor dumb bastards understand how really stupid they are.

GET RID OF THE TROLL!... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

GET RID OF THE TROLL!

This hijacking of threads by ill individuals in intolerable. It means they haven't an ounce of respect for either the owners of the site or the readers.

I think the White House ans... (Below threshold)
wave_man:

I think the White House answer to this suit will be: Bring. It. On.

The Plames will be toast when this is over.

The criminal case is on ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

The criminal case is on a totally different track and the civil case will not be held up for the criminal, or vice versa

Wow, you present quite an argument there counselor...

What a dolt - is is because he declares it so -- the rest of you "yeah I agree" wads are even worse.

Yes, Lee, it is because you... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Yes, Lee, it is because you are a dolt, and because I am an attorney, and because the issue is simple if you're an attorney, or if you care to ask any attorney IN THE FREAKIN UNIVERSE because it is elementary procedure.

Yes, I see Mitchell - as I ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Yes, I see Mitchell - as I said - you presented quite the legal argument there: The criminal case is on a totally different track and the civil case will not be held up for the criminal, or vice versa.

Wow, - what insight... the civil case will not be held up because --- you said so. You aren't a lawyer - you're a shmuck. DavidB presented a stronger argument then you did Shmuck -- he's wrong, but at least he tried.

Aside from a competancy hea... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Aside from a competancy hearing, have you ever been in a court room, Lee

Lee's been in a padded cell... (Below threshold)
914:

Lee's been in a padded cell, if that counts?

Lee won't answer simple tru... (Below threshold)

Lee won't answer simple true false questions directed to him, proving he is trolling not discussing.

Sorry, Lee. No more attention until you do your homework. Back to school, lad.

Yes, Lee, it's grown up tim... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Yes, Lee, it's grown up time now, off with you to Daily Kos or some other place so you can load up on "material."

vnjagvet - Did you read abo... (Below threshold)
Lee:

vnjagvet - Did you read about depositions off the back of a ceral box, or is this just what you recall happening when you sued Disnyland for giving you a headache while you were riding on the "Wild Toad" ride?

I dont answer questions for trolls. I make fools of them -- like Mitchell the lawyer -- who declares thing to be as he sees fit.

Lee,The only perso... (Below threshold)
mesablue:

Lee,

The only person you make a fool of is yourself.

Folks, it's time to stop feeding this troll. Replying to him only feeds his opportunity to ruin any real discussion.

We wouldn't try to debate anything at an intelligent level with a delinquent twelve year old, it makes about as much sense to do so with Lee.

For all we know he is just a lonely, misguided kid.

He sure seems to have no real responsibilities judging by all of the time he spends here.

Nothing would piss him off more than being ignored.

I for one will not reply to another comment from Lee.

Lee, every time I think tha... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

Lee, every time I think that you could not prove yourself any more stupid, you prove me wrong. But of course without providing any real information, just actions.

It is stunningly obvious that you haven't the foggiest idea about the legal process, not even a simple notion.

If you are such a legal eagle, please enlighten those of us that you feel are less then informed, about the legal process that will be involved with this case.

I challenge you to do so. So, stand up Lee and produce.

Oh, and please point out where I was wrong. I noticed you made that statement, but as usual provided no substantiating evidence or information

Otherwise shut up, the only one you are making a fool of is yourself.

I agree: no more wasted ti... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

I agree: no more wasted time posting to Lee.

It's not worth it.

Here's an interesting comme... (Below threshold)
Rich:

Here's an interesting comment (see who after the quote):

First, the C.I.A. suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson's name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his espionage arrest in 1994. So her undercover security was undermined at that time, and she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons.

Second, as Mrs. Wilson rose in the agency, she was already in transition away from undercover work to management, and to liaison roles with other intelligence agencies. So this year, even before she was outed, she was moving away from ''noc'' -- which means non-official cover, like pretending to be a business executive. After passing as an energy analyst for Brewster-Jennings & Associates, a C.I.A. front company, she was switching to a new cover as a State Department official, affording her diplomatic protection without having ''C.I.A.'' stamped on her forehead.

Third, Mrs. Wilson's intelligence connections became known a bit in Washington as she rose in the C.I.A. and moved to State Department cover, but her job remained a closely held secret. Even her classmates in the C.I.A.'s career training program mostly knew her only as Valerie P. That way, if one spook defected, the damage would be limited.

All in all, I think the Democrats are engaging in hyperbole when they describe the White House as having put Mrs. Wilson's life in danger and destroyed her career; her days skulking along the back alleys of cities like Beirut and Algiers were already mostly over.


--Nicholas Kristoff, New York Times, October 11, 2003
Well here we have it. A lit... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

Well here we have it. A little over three hours since the troll's last post. You'll notice no doubt the lack of response when called out.

Typical of Lee.

There will be no further response from me as well to this troll. He's been called out at least three times, by me, to provide some sort of support for the drivel he spews. He has shown time and again that he can not do that. In fact, when called to provide facts to support his point of view, he resorts to calling those who make the request trolls. If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

Lee, your a typical ultra-left wing bed-wetter. Run around, scream and shout, but never provide any substance. Is it any wonder your sort is marginalized?

Poor DavidB - having to che... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Poor DavidB - having to check back here every 30 seconds to see if I've posted... sad. Very sad.

Regarding your request that I spend my time educating you -- get a life, wart. I don't jump through hoops for trolls.

Why does anyone expect a ra... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Why does anyone expect a rational response from Lee. He is
a bomb thrower and nothing else(aside being a complete idiot...
but that is expected of a lefty.)

"Oh dear Lord please. Help... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"Oh dear Lord please. Help these poor dumb bastards understand how really stupid they are." -- Mitchell

Mitchell is so utterly dumb that he talks to the supernatural, and yet has the audacity to call other people stupid. Incredible. Your god ever give you any responses to your requests, Mitchell??? What exactly does your god say to you??? Or is he/she/it perhaps silent on the subject??? Perpetually silent???

In requesting that your god undertake a course of action that you deem best, aren't you being a just a little bit arrogant, Mitchell??? Do you think you know more than your god does about who exactly your god should help, and just how he/she/it should help these individuals??? Do you, MORON??? And if the answer is no, then your request is completely unnecessary and hence idiotic, right, Mitchell???

Do you have conversations with the Tooth Fairy too, Mitchell???

Well, Mitchell, you further confirm what I have always thought: the smart ones go into science, and many of the dummies wind up in law.

wow. confusing sarcasm wit... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

wow. confusing sarcasm with religion. Way to watch point circle your head and fail to land, Herman.

I believe in the Tooth Fair... (Below threshold)

I believe in the Tooth Fairy. 'Cause in my house, I *am* the Tooth Fairy.

Take some (OK, a lot of) deep breaths and relax, Herman.




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