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Just Give Us All The News

Katie Couric reportedly learned from her listening tour that people find the news depressing. She interpreted that as the public wanting solutions to be presented along with their news. Carol Platt Liebau had the exact same reaction that I did to that:

Likewise, it seems to me that when people characterize the news as too "depressing," they're not calling for CBS to morph into a policy shop. What they're saying, in effect, is this: Of course, we have to know if any American soldiers commit crimes in Iraq. But would it really kill you to do a story on some of the good our soldiers are doing, too -- something about the toy drives for children, the animal rescuing, the plastic surgery for innocent victims of violence that our soldiers have spearheaded? Something is wrong when Americans have to read People magazine to find some positive news from Iraq, where's there's plenty to tell, if any network were so inclined.

Rather than finding "solutions," CBS News would be better advised to try balancing the news, and telling some of the stories that, right now, are being shamefully overlooked.

Just give us the news, the whole news and nothing but the news.


Comments (55)

"Just give us the news, the... (Below threshold)
Mike:

"Just give us the news, the whole news and nothing but the news."

Wouldn't that be nice? Until that day comes, I think I'll stick to the blogs.

and maybe a little bit of l... (Below threshold)
SmartGuy:

and maybe a little bit of leg

People find the news... (Below threshold)
Rob:


People find the news depressing, yet they don't watch unless there's something provacative. Fuzzy human interest stories don't pay the bills.

As a sports fan, I reach for the remote everytime Sporscenter does one of those "kid with a learnng disability makes the little league baseball squad" pieces. that may sound a bit harsh, but
TV news is a cumbersome and limited medium for information delivery. Newspapers and the internet provide larger volumes of information with multiple points of view. television broadcasts have to choose carefully and they must choose the direction hich will least likely lead to a channel change.

Also, to Mike, the idea that blogs could ever offer a more complete unfettered side of the news is an outrageous distortion, but one I think is indicative of the current self-important phase that blogging is going through in its infancy. Just look at the way that partisan blogs jump all over corruption from the other side of the aisle yet remain tacet when the offender comes from their side.

Hmmmm.Jus... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

Just look at the way that partisan blogs jump all over corruption from the other side of the aisle yet remain tacet when the offender comes from their side.

And that's different from the MSM ... how?

"The idea that blogs cou... (Below threshold)
914:

"The idea that blogs couldn ever offer a more complete unfettered side of the news is an outrageous distortion"

What the???? are You blithering about?

"Also, to Mike, the idea th... (Below threshold)
Mike:

"Also, to Mike, the idea that blogs could ever offer a more complete unfettered side of the news is an outrageous distortion"

Who's making an outrageous distortion? I never claimed blogs would offer a "more complete unfettered side of the news."

Better yet, stop lying abou... (Below threshold)
Mark L.:

Better yet, stop lying about the news. Especially stop lying by omission, focusing exclusively on the negative while omitting the positive aspects.

We don't need solutions -- we need a c c u r a c y.

Destruction and mayhem are ... (Below threshold)

Destruction and mayhem are popular, even in the blogosphere: http://www.anotherblogger.com/2006/07/18/death-and-mayhem-are-popular/

Very simply, blogs have to ... (Below threshold)
Conor:

Very simply, blogs have to rely on the MSM for their material. Then the pundit/writer puts his or her spin on it. Having access to Bloomberg, Reuters, Sky, CNN and Fox et al, I have yet to hear breaking news on a blog. In fact I have at times emailed certain blogs with breaking news stories as they happen in Europe so that they have food for thought when they awake in the US. But Blogs are not news breakers per se, they are spinners regardless of their political bias.

As Rob rightly points out, blogs are still in their infancy and given the sheer number of them already, they spew more bullshit than the MSM ever did. But sometimes you read a piece on a blog which does make you think and question; but unfortunately most of it is the same old, same old! And there is nothing more annoying than some pundit sitting behind the anonymity of a psuedonym with editorial control pretending to be a know all. Now that is not a personal attack on anyone here but rather an observation of the blogosphere as a whole.

Does anyone besides ... (Below threshold)
SicSemperTyrannus:

Does anyone besides trolls comment on Carol Platt Liebeau's site? All you see are attacks from the same double-team of assholes: Duke-Stir and Dittohead.

Conors, Reuters, CN... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Conors,
Reuters, CNN, Sky ... are spins with less or no accountability. Blogsphere are "spins" with instant accountability. If you are caught lying or consistently "spin" garbages, you will lose traffic in the long run. In the short run, you can always appeal to the conspiracy-minded audience to keep your traffic up. Kos is such an example.

LoveamericaI can n... (Below threshold)
Conor:

Loveamerica

I can not agree. Your talk of traffic is nonsense. The firms I quoted are not perfect but they are considerably subject to more accountability than blogs. To state otherwise would suggest that blogs are more important than established news companies. Come on, you are not seriously suggesting that are you?

What is even more amazing is that when the American media questions the American President and his government, the media is accused of being unpatriotic. If the media can not ask questions which the government finds uncomfortable then surely the media is nothing but impotent?

I for one would have more time for a journalist who questions the government on the public's behalf over a blogger who accepts as gospel everything the president says. You can still love your country even if you disagee with your government.

OT: Kos is huge -- I had no... (Below threshold)
Lee:

OT: Kos is huge -- I had no idea it was that big.

I'm not sure all of Carol's ideas would have the effect she desired -- (emph. added) "But would it really kill you to do a story on some of the good our soldiers are doing, too -- something about the toy drives for children, the animal rescuing, the plastic surgery for innocent victims of violence that our soldiers have spearheaded?"

That last suggestion doesn't sound like "good news" to me.

Isn't this what "Bowling fo... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Isn't this what "Bowling for Columbinge" all about - or am I mistaken. It appears that the media feels like it can get a certain kind of reaction when promoting fear and hyped up urgency. The fact is that the media does lie for the purposes of a particular response- whether or not they transmit happy or sad news. It would definitely be nice to hear some good news once in a while, but would that build up any trust that I would have for these news-stations, and program owners - i have my doubts. At this point I am much more content not watching television and sticking to websites and blogs run by people I trust.

The REAL news is what's hap... (Below threshold)

The REAL news is what's happening in science, medicine, technology and inventions. I'm interested in politics ONLY because of the imminent danger the idiots known as "professional politicians" from here and abroad pose.

A thousand years from now the relevant history will be about the scientific and technological breakthroughs happening at this time. I'd rather see a breakdown of recent patents granted at the very least.

MattIf anyone is g... (Below threshold)
Conor:

Matt

If anyone is guilty of promoting fear and hyped up urgency it is Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets face if the GWOT is not hyped up, then I dont know what is. Bush shoudl have gone after Bin Laden and only then once he had been dealt with should Iraq have been tackled. Surely most Americans would feel happier if Bin Laden was behind bars than Hussein. Ask any relative of a 9/11 victim.

Fear and hyped up urgency!!! There are people on here whom if told by Bush that shit was custard, they would be spoon feeding it to themselves.

Rob, you miss the point. Bl... (Below threshold)
serfer62:

Rob, you miss the point. Blogs give voice to other ideas and other evaluations for consideration.

Conoer is breaking news so important that its mostly distorted. There is nothing that can't wait a few hours for proper evaluation. News from europe? Who gives a crap about europe. The nyt is accountable? Dude where do you keep your head?

Lee, that is the best entry I have read from you.

Ahhhh. Connor finally raised his colors. A President Bush hated blined to reality by his hate. Go watch TV little man. I throw mine out decades ago.

"Would it really kill yo... (Below threshold)
cmd:

"Would it really kill you to do a story on some of the good our soldiers are doing, too. . ."

Of course not, and The Perky One would be the first to tell you that. But of course, it all depends on context. Right now under the blundering leadership of Chimpy McBushitler, our troops are teen-raping, baby-killing skinheads. When a Democrat becomes CINC, it will be amazing how many stories of selfless heroism and patriotic sacrifice Katie will be able to show you.

"You can still love your country even if you disagree with your government."

Really, Conor? Tell that to the syphilitic hillbilly.

Well, Katie might be a smir... (Below threshold)
JJ:

Well, Katie might be a smirking liberal Moonbat from hell but, damn, she's cute! And rich too!!

Katie, I love you. Or at least I could fall deeply in love with your, you know, vast sums of money.

the plastic surgery for... (Below threshold)
d_Brit:

the plastic surgery for innocent victims of violence that our soldiers have spearheaded?"
Posted by: Lee

Thank you Lee for posting a perfect example of the spin that leftist Main stream reporters, editors and commentators put on the news.

The vast majority of 'innocent victims needing plastic surgery' are the direct result of terrorists and 'insurgents' attacking civilians.

They are frequently blowing themselves up with the civilian population directly targeted.

You are specifically and dishonestly implying that it is us who are creating those victims, when in fact, it is the bastards fighting to impose horrific regimes like Iran and a return to Baathism in Iraq who are responsible.

The only thing more despicable than your misplaced blame is the fact that you do it intentionally.

Just as the media typically does and has done since Vietnam. Once the 'blinders' come off and people realize the 'game' the MSM is playing, people walk away from viewership. The MSM as we've known it is dying and, they know it.

It's almost time to stick a fork in it, as its done.

"Just give us the news, the... (Below threshold)
Concerned Student:

"Just give us the news, the whole news and nothing but the news."

You can't handle the news!!! I live.... courage...

/couric

Bush shoudl have gone af... (Below threshold)

Bush shoudl have gone after Bin Laden and only then once he had been dealt with should Iraq have been tackled.

So what do you suggest we should have done with the 110,000 US troops sitting with their thumbs up their asses in the desert while babysitting Iraq for the UN?

...all the while Hussein was taking French and Russian money for oil bribes to fund Hamas and his other proxies, and keep his chemical weapons options open?

Just my opinion d_brit - yo... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Just my opinion d_brit - you're entitled to yours...

"So what do you suggest ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"So what do you suggest we should have done with the 110,000 US troops sitting with their thumbs up their asses in the desert while babysitting Iraq for the UN?"

Ahh, a new Bush apologist's excuse for his failing to execute on the war on terror. The old "what do you suggest we should have done with the 110,000 US troops sitting with their thumbs up their asses in the desert while babysitting Iraq for the UN? ploy. -- lol

Conor, THe paper of... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Conor,
THe paper of record, NYT, has been caught red-handed lying and CBS Rathergate was a glaring example of the lack of accountability in the MSM news business. The lack of accountability all these years is what led to the despicabale of the media like the NYT, USATodays siding with the terrorist enemies of AMerica.
Sure we need independent news sources but more competition is the key. And the blogs serve as an accountablity mechanism for the spins of the news media. Look at how the lies of SP, NYT, CBS etc... have been caught by the blog "spinners" using your terminology.
We definitely don't need gov subsidized BBC, PBS . We can live without NYT, LAT, and the alphabet networks. New news source with more credibility like WSJ, FOX will rise to take up the places of these corrupt news sources. So don't worry about it. Competition will sort it out.

Conor there is a difference... (Below threshold)
cubanbob:

Conor there is a difference between NEWS and PROPAGANDA. Something that seems to escape the notice of the NYT and the msm.
There is also a difference between honest facts based criticism of government officials, agencies and policies and AIDING AND ABETTING the enemy.
But such distinctions might be too nuanced for lefties to grasp.

Lee is simply a perfect exa... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Lee is simply a perfect example of the intellectual and moral corruption of the modern liberal left.
All they can do is carp at people who are trying to solve real and difficult problems.

Lee blames everything on Bush while complaining that I always blame the liberals. But Lee doesn't like consistent standard. I simply apply his own standard to himself.

Democracy in Iraq is nothing of value to the hypocritical leftists. They were willing to sell out the poor/oppressed to the communists during the cold war. They are now willing to sell out the Iraqui people to the terrorists and former Baathist insurgents simply to have a chance to bash Bush. What a corrupt movement! They have the gall to talk about the poor/opporessed. WHat a joke.

BTW, Lee wants us to learn ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

BTW, Lee wants us to learn of how Is deal with the terrorists. The loyal opposition as represented by Likud joined the gov and have a united front againts the terrorists. The American liberals cannot keep the farce of unity for more than 5 minutes.

"Just my opinion d_brit ... (Below threshold)
d_Brit:

"Just my opinion d_brit - you're entitled to yours..."Posted by: Lee

It's NOT a matter of opinion, Lee. It's factually untrue to place the blame for the disfigurements upon our troops. And you know it.

Cubanbob, The MSM ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Cubanbob,
The MSM says it is their right to criticize the gov. That 's the left 's matra: dissent is patriotic. So we should dissent strongly to the MSM 's propaganda. The left should be happy when common people are showing strong dissent against the MSM.

a new Bush apologist's e... (Below threshold)

a new Bush apologist's excuse for his failing to execute on the war on terror

You didn't describe this "failure to execute" previously when you unsubstantiatedly asserted it, and you aren't doing so this time either.

It is far easier to rid the world of the half-dozen large sources of money and the dozen smaller sources, than to eliminated the poor and unedumacated masses that have existed during every one of the 3,650,000 days of human civilization and that every simpleton expects will just evaporate if "Israel and the US stop making poor people mad at us".

Doesn't get simpler than that, buckwheat, though you sure are trying to.

d_Brit, I missed Le... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

d_Brit,
I missed Lee 's slander against AMerican troops again. He is so despicable for joining Murtha in slandering the US military at Haditha. He hasn't offered any apology for that. Now it seems that he is showing his true color again: taking every opportunity to slander American troops. Yet at the same time, he was talking tough about using nuke in Afghanistan. Imagine what would happen to all those civilians he claimed to care about. Lee is truly a despicable propagandist.

"It's NOT a matter of op... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"It's NOT a matter of opinion, Lee."

All I did was quote Carol verbatim - quoting the exact words she used - and expressing my opinion that it didn't sound like good news ot me -- having video footage of before and after plastic surgery (before difigurement and after "scars") only serves to bring to the public view the horrors of war, not the "good news".

Did you misunderstand what she said? If you are claiming that the words are factually untrue-- why are you yelling at me - they were her words!

Do you have anger management problems? Perhaps you should see a psychologist d_brit. You seem unbalanced, or are you just a troll?

Someone said "You didn't... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Someone said "You didn't describe this "failure to execute" previously when you unsubstantiatedly asserted it, and you aren't doing so this time either."

We still haven't gotten bin-Laden - or do the conervative blogs you read not mention that fact these days?

The Republicans' Global War on Terror seems to have passed by the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks -- that guy - the bin-Laden huy -- you remember.. right?

That, my little troll, is a Major failure to execute - 59 months and counting and still no bin-Laden.

But now we know why -- the old "what do you suggest we should have done with the 110,000 US troops sitting with their thumbs up their asses in the desert while babysitting Iraq for the UN? excuse -- lol

Lee, Let 's say the... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Lee,
Let 's say the terrorists hiding in civilian housing launching to rockets at American troops. THey even used the the women/children as human shields. When the troops returned fireeven with utmost care, some of the civilians got hurt. Some Baathist insurgents even used some pictures of hurt civilians (not sure caused by whom even) to blame on American troops. The American media published these pictures as fact. Instead of strongly condemning these evil terrorists, they either blame the US military or just the bland horrors of wars. IT is standard propaganda.

My question is why Lee is willing to participate in such a propaganda against the US military and willingly aiding these evil terrorists?

Lee, Bin Laden is d... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Lee,
Bin Laden is dead. I don't have any proof he is alive. If he is alive, he would hold a major press conference. I know Bush is alive because he has press conferences all the time.

We are attacking the terrorists where it hurts. A democratic Iraq is a nightmare for them. Even AlQ is admitting they are losing badly in Iraq and asking for help. What 's wrong with the left that they are wishing for failures while the enemy admitted that we are successful in Iraq?

LoveAmerica - after d_brit ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

LoveAmerica - after d_brit gets his meds straightened out go over and borrow some from him.

"Just give us the news, the... (Below threshold)
La Mano:

"Just give us the news, the whole news and nothing but the news."

NOPE. Just take a final bow and go away.

Lee, ARe you projec... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Lee,
ARe you projecting your medical condition on other people?

The difference between Blog... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

The difference between Blogs and MSM is the MSM controls all that is seen. They give one side of the story with no chance for opposing views and facts to be heard. Blogs have many apposing views and facts and can be challenge on the spot. Most reasonable people without a blinding bias and given enough time can shift through truths and lies.

There is a great deal of information in the Blogs that do not come from MSM. People personal knowledge and expertise that usually don't see the light of day can be seen whether it is a chemist, military or however. Yes there is phonies but they are usually exposed.

Wrong Katie. People want mo... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

Wrong Katie. People want more cleavage.

We still haven't gotten ... (Below threshold)

We still haven't gotten bin-Laden

Bin Laden is irrelevant. He was irrelevant on 9-10, on 9-11 and on 9-12. His money isn't irrelevant. His money has just about been ossified in whatever accounts they were in.


The Republicans' Global War on Terror seems to have passed by the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks...

Ahh. Him. Yeah, the guy responsible for 9-11. Doc Ayman. Haven't gotten him either.

Okay, you've got a point now.


That, my little troll, is a Major failure to execute - 59 months and counting and still no bin-Laden

The little troll is, um, you, sparky.

And no matter how much html you use to punctuate your peevish petulance, you aren't going to convince anyone who knows what they're talking about that bin Laden is relevant. You can hyperbolize from now until doomsday -- which you seem to be extremely fearful of -- and it still won't be "major".

And you can continue to wet your panties in public and it won't alter the reality that a nation as large as the US can do two things at once. Sometimes three. Going after your bin Laden boogeyman does not preclude also going after Hussein.

you aren't going to conv... (Below threshold)
Lee:

you aren't going to convince anyone who knows what they're talking about that bin Laden is relevant.

What a sad state of affairs, when the Republican apologists stoop so low as to apologize for bin-Laden as well.

What a sad state of affa... (Below threshold)

What a sad state of affairs ...

... yadda yadda, merde-fling, merde-fling.

In other words, you've got no substantive response and so you're going to stand behind the bushes, and consign yourself to calling me a poopyhead.

For the record, dhimmi-clese, I was a "Clinton apologist" when he was conducting his foreign policy as well, explaining to the troglodytes what goes through the minds of policy-makers when making policy. Some of us pay attention and don't go around demanding that laws of political physics obey our wishes.

Good god, for somebody so righteously indignant about Bush playing politics to explain to the common twit-on-the-street why Iraq was done, you sure are pushing awful hard for a similar content-free "victory" by capturing bin Laden.

How would that accomplish anything substantive? Bin Laden is a tactical and strategic neophyte. Ayman al Zawahiri runs the operational arm; ObL had the money. The money can be gotten without getting him. So getting bin Laden would ... do ... what, exactly?

It would fill people with a feeling of inyerface jingoism. Oooh, just like Bush politicking the war in Iraq with irrelevant what-if scare tactics.

But sure, your political irrelevance is so-o-o-o-o different from Bush's. Because it's, well, yours.

And that's the difference.

So, yeah, I'm a big poopyhead if it helps you live at 90-degrees to reality. It's the least I can do for the mentally incapacitated.

Never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could.

In other words, you've g... (Below threshold)
Lee:

In other words, you've got no substantive response and so you're going to stand behind the bushes, and consign yourself to calling me a poopyhead.

No, you trolls are much better at adolescent toilet humor than I -- I am just pointing out that the criminal responsible for the murder of several thousand americans is still at large 59 months of George Bush's War on Terror began, and Republican aplogists like you are now suggesting that the capture of bin-Laden "doesn't matter"?!?!

That's really f*cked up -- You justify Bush's failures by stating that the capture of bin-Laden doesn't matter? Wow - you are really a sad little troll - but keep trying - you're bound to convince yourself and the other trolls that King George is a rockin' dude if you keep lying like that!

I am just pointing out t... (Below threshold)

I am just pointing out that the criminal responsible for the murder of several thousand americans is still at large 59 months of George Bush's War on Terror began

Reducing 9-11 to a "crime" is the assertion of somebody desperate to rationalize not taking action that is short-term painful but long-term necessary. So trivialize it.

And the guy responsible is not the guy you want to get.

At any rate, let me see if I have this straight: you absolutely abhor Bush politicking for his own purposes, and to punctuate your petulance, you demand that he serve your politicked purposes.

And you call anybody who calls you on this a "Republican aplogist".

So the world's black and white, and if I'm not white like you, I must be black. Izzat it?

"So the world's black an... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"So the world's black and white, and if I'm not white like you, I must be black. Izzat it?"

No, you just seek to minimize Bush's repeated failures by suggesting that the areas he's failed to execute on are inconsequential. Thats the classic mode of an apologist. It's what you are - an apologist. What color apologist you are doesn't concern me (although my guess is "pink").

Lee, Please show me... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Lee,
Please show me evidence that Bin Laden is still alive and actively attacking us. Zarquawi was the key AlQ figure that did that to our troops in Iraq and we knew what happened to him. You are so desperate that you forgot that already. As far as I am concerned Bin Laden is as good as dead. If he is there, he must living like a rat somewhere. He dare not show his face at a press conference. He didn't even dare to run an operation against the US military like Zarquawi did.
Why are you so desperate to blame Bush when even the terrorists claimed that we are successful in Iraq and they issue desperate plea for help? Why do you want to proclaim that we fail? Is that you are interested in seeing our failure and trying to prop up the terrorists so that they can continue to fight us?

Lee is an anti-military pro... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Lee is an anti-military propagandist. He is quite willing to spout the terrorist propaganda to slander the US military. We have proof in the Haditha thread and this thread. He is desperate to make our effort a failure. This is typical of the liberal moral/intellectual bankruptcy. They knew that they stood on the wrong side of history: they stood with communists and now with the terrorists agaisnt a successful mission in Iraq. So they have to try every conceivable distortions/lies to mask their moral corruption in selling the poor/oppressed for political power.

"What is even more amazing ... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

"What is even more amazing is that when the American media questions the American President and his government, the media is accused of being unpatriotic."

I think you're confusing questioning the President and making up stuff (forged documents ring a bell). And that is one of many examples of exactly why the blogs have become more reliable than the MSM.

I have a feeling you disagree because you don't like the fact that the liberal propaganda doesn't go unchecked anymore.

"If anyone is guilty of pro... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

"If anyone is guilty of promoting fear and hyped up urgency it is Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets face if the GWOT is not hyped up, then I dont know what is. Bush shoudl have gone after Bin Laden and only then once he had been dealt with should Iraq have been tackled. Surely most Americans would feel happier if Bin Laden was behind bars than Hussein. Ask any relative of a 9/11 victim."

I guess the following were "hyped" by Bush:

1 - terrorists arrested in Canada planned to blow up Parliament and kill the Prime Minister

2 - terrorists arrested in NYC planned to blow up the Holland tunnel

3 - terrorists attacked India

4 - terrorists attacked London a year ago

5 - 911

6 - Spain

Yeah, Bush is hyping all these FACTS!!!!

You obviously are clueless are the reality of the world we live in.

rwilymz,Don't forg... (Below threshold)
Robert:

rwilymz,

Don't forget that American businessman were also in the oil for food game with Iraq. Lots of 'em.

Seems like its not just the MSM that only reports part of the news!!

KirktoeMy guess is... (Below threshold)
Conor:

Kirktoe

My guess is that prior to 9/11, your knowledge of geo political current affairs was non existant. In fact, the Middle East, Europe and Asia are just coloured land masses on a world atlas to you and your ilk. If only more Americans got a passport and actually visited different parts of the world, they would realise that there is so much more than the USA.

Bush has lied not only to us but also to the rest of the world. If you choose to live in fear then that is your problem!

you just seek to ... (Below threshold)


you just seek to minimize Bush's repeated failures by suggesting that the areas he's failed to execute on are inconsequential.

And you keep claiming "failure" but are incapable of explaining why what you claim is what you claim it to be.

I can -- like you -- claim that up is down and black is white, but if I don't explain WHY up is down, then I'm an irrelevant blowhard. ...like you.

Which makes you seem like an apologist denying why Iraq is, indeed, an appropriate part of the war against terrorism.


Don't forget that American businessman were also in the oil for food game with Iraq. Lots of 'em.

Right, the penny-antes.

Remember who the only person to be prosecuted for Oil4Food bribery? the American guy? Prosecuted by America? While all the other major players are busy trying to backload the paper- and money-trail?

Seems like some people can only manage to remember the convenient part of reality.

Conor, Lies: NYT, t... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Conor,
Lies: NYT, the liberal paper of record has been caught red-handed lying, CNN was caught red-handed covering up for Saddam Hussein, CBS was caught red-handed lying about Bush 's record...

This is just a small sample of the lies from the left. The question is why you continue to believe in those lies?




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