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Kofi Annan Claims Israel "Targeted" Fatal Attack On UN Observers

On a day when over 85 Hezbollah rockets struck Israel, the only item in the news is a tragic bombing at a UN post in Lebanon. Rather than waiting for an investigation, the UN has all but declared Israel guilty of deliberately murdering four UN observers.

(The Age) - Israel has denied claims it deliberately targeted a UN observer post in Lebanon in a strike that killed at least two peacekeepers.


The UN Secretary-General has called on Israel to investigate what he termed the "apparently deliberate targeting'' by Israeli defence forces of a UN observer post in Lebanon, killing two peacekeepers, with two others feared dead.

Kofi Annan said Israel appeared to have struck the site deliberately.

Israel's UN Ambassador Dan Gillerman expressed his "deep regret'' for the deaths and denied Israel hit the post intentionally.

"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the hasty statement of the Secretary General, insinuating that Israel has deliberately targeted the UN post,'' he said, calling the assertions "premature and erroneous''.

The bomb made a direct hit on the building and shelter of the observer post in the town of Khiam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.

Rescue workers were trying to clear the rubble, but Israeli firing 'continued even during the rescue operation,'' Struger said.

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Comments (71)

Kofi Annan - Anti Semite. F... (Below threshold)
ReadyFirst:

Kofi Annan - Anti Semite. Funny how Bill Clinton bombs the Chinese Embassy and it's an honest mistake but Israel bombs some U.N. Troops (hard to see those blue helmets from 20,000 feet)in a war zone and they were deliberate in their actions. How much in oil bribes did you get to make those comments Kofi?

I want to know if they were... (Below threshold)

I want to know if they were in the same UN building that had a Hizb'allah flag flying on the other end?

It's the Kofi Annan Show!</... (Below threshold)
Eman:

It's the Kofi Annan Show!

Starring Kofi Annon!

In tonight's episode Kofi sets back human progress centuries by equating good with evil, innocence with guilt, and right with wrong.

And in a tender moment, Kofi comforts a small child injured by a terrorist rocket by strongly contemplating denouncing any acts against peace.

Kofi Annnan is indeed a sea... (Below threshold)
crani:

Kofi Annnan is indeed a seasoned anti-semitic. On virtually every conflict involving Israel, he will come down against Israel every time. International conferences have heard blatant anti-Israel statements from Annan.

Yeah so...maybe you idiots ... (Below threshold)
Are you kidding me:

Yeah so...maybe you idiots are forgetting that the Jews are killing civilians by the score. I think we're up to 400. I particularly enjoyed the image of the 15 children who died on a bus by an accidental JewRocket.

Awesome stuff.

When are we going to kick t... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

When are we going to kick this backward organization out of our country? What is the use? The UN runs counter to almost every US interest. When are we going to stop funding this third world, hamstring operation?

AYKM:And YOU are t... (Below threshold)

AYKM:

And YOU are the idiot forgetting Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that has been killing innocent Israelis by the score for nearly a CENTURY now. I can't count the number of innocent Israeli children that I've seen on the news in the last 35 years who've died by Hezzbollah or Hamas rockets/suicide bomber/whatever else.

Awesome stuff.

Good for Israel then ... (Below threshold)

Good for Israel then

I think it is fair to say t... (Below threshold)
Eman:

I think it is fair to say that Israel is killing innocent civilians, and Hizbolla is murdering innocent civilians.
If you can't tell the difference, please fill out this application for UN Secretary General.

killing jewsmfor more then ... (Below threshold)
willmaker:

killing jewsmfor more then a century? hezbollah has only been around since ?

killing jews for more then ... (Below threshold)
willmaker:

killing jews for more then a century? hezbollahhas only been around since ?

EmanHe did not hav... (Below threshold)
914:

Eman

He did not have to fill out an application? Just flash His afflicted guilt justified racial qualifications.. You got it..!

just wanted to point out th... (Below threshold)
reggie:

just wanted to point out that no matter how ridiculous annan's comments are regarding these UN observers, criticizing isreal is NOT anti-semetic. these are STATE military actions, not the natural right or will to power of jews. and isreal as a state has not existed for a century, and was occupying/warring with lebenon for much of recent history. the history is not black and white here. annan should be more careful with his claims, indeed. but so should we.

willmaker:Thanks f... (Below threshold)

willmaker:

Thanks for asking! All exaggerations aside, they've been around since approximately 1982. So they've been murdering innocent Israelis for nearly a quarter of a century. Hamas has been around and doing the same since 1987.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Israel has been taking it for long enough, and since the UN and Lebonon DID NOT take care of their end of the bargain, removing Hezzbollah, Israel will do it for them.

Yes, Israel is performing t... (Below threshold)
Volkan:

Yes, Israel is performing the STATE TERRORISM.

And no, you cannot compare the Israel's bombing with Hizbullah's. Israel is using $50 M dollar planes loaded with the latest technology missiles and the other guys are using a couple hundred dollars worth of primitive missiles. In Lebanon, hundreds have died, millions have been displaced. In Isrel, tens have dies, hundreds have been displaced. It is a matter of PROPORTION.

And ISRAEL STARTED THIS WAR.

reggie,Your points... (Below threshold)
Eman:

reggie,

Your points are well taken. All of the countries involved in the last 60 years of fighting in the ME have blood on their hands, but in none of these wars was it Israel's goal to exterminate it's neighboring countries.

Volkan,

The proportion you cite comes from Hizbolla deliberately using civilians to sheild their weapons and members.

Kofi Annan is interested in... (Below threshold)
VS___:

Kofi Annan is interested in his bank balance...which I can bet you is being well tipped by Arab oil money.

Who cares about what the UN says? They shouldn't have a force in the war zone anyways. Kofi is being replaced soon.

Israel has the right to defend herself, though the Lebanese casulties are just horrific and truly depressing.

War is dirty so don't expect it to be clean. This is just the beginning. India has yet to deal with Pakistan and Iran has not been cleaned out yet either.

Its going to be a bloody few decades, with a potential nuclear war.

No Volkan,Lebanon ... (Below threshold)
GJ Klaver, Amsterdam, the Netherlands.:

No Volkan,

Lebanon AND the Palestinians recieve billions of dollars A YEAR from the EU.
I should know.
I'm the one paying my taxes for those murderers.

And I wouldn't mind it either, if they were doing something useful with my money.
Like building schools, or something.
Instead, they use my money to teach their children to hate the jewish and to buy some more wonky rockets.

The Palestinians started this war. By kidnapping an Israeli soldier and by launching rockets into Israel.

As for Kofi Annan: I think he's too old for this job and is suffering from a bad case of dementia.
.

Volkan:You're kidd... (Below threshold)

Volkan:

You're kidding, right? Nobody could possibly be that wrong on every point.

I'd tell you to wake up and smell the coffee, but you have no hope of seeing the world for the way it really is.

It's pointless to continue this discussion; but not quite as pointless as to propose a ceasefire and using diplomacy to restore the peace in the Middle East.

I'm out.

Question. How many leaflet... (Below threshold)
snowballs:

Question. How many leaflets has Hizbollah dropped over Israel in order to warn non-combatants? I also wonder if any warning(s) had been received by the the U.N. observers by IDF forces...

Volkan.You, sir, a... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

Volkan.

You, sir, are an idiot.

Unbelievable, Israel drops ... (Below threshold)
ReadyFirst:

Unbelievable, Israel drops leaflets telling lebanese to get out, Hizbollah sets up road blocks to stop them and uses them as human shields and Israel gets the blame from half the world (not to mention the dopey leftists like Volkan) for defending herself. I feel like I'm in a twilight zone episode. We need to remove the cancer that is Hizbollah. I feel awful for the Lebanese people but you can't have a terrorist state within a state like this. Cutting the cancer out now will reduce future casualities (Israeli, American and Lebanese).

You dumbshits. Arabs are se... (Below threshold)
Jacob:

You dumbshits. Arabs are semites, too.

It's hard to believe and ev... (Below threshold)
rainman:

It's hard to believe and even harder to justify Israel's actions. The indiscriminate bombings are just atrocious. Someone should pull them up them for war crimes. I think the Jews have gotten away with playing the anti-semitic trump card for too long. It's getting really old.

I don't think the Jews know any more about peace than Al Queda does. What else can you expect from a race that crucified their only prophet of peace?.

the morons writing in the b... (Below threshold)
paul cohen:

the morons writing in the board are anti-arab, racist idiots who are incapable of thinking. Frauds and haters. I think Israe deliberately bombed UN. NO doubt about it.

Yeah,Let's us scream... (Below threshold)
Pure_Of_Heart:

Yeah,
Let's us scream ANTISEMITISM! ANTISEMITISM!
anytime anyone even thinks of criticizing the good state of Israel or any Jew for that matter. The Jews are the only Good in this world and everyone else who thinks otherwise is ANTISEMITIST!!!!!!!!!!
yeah, we just forget that Hitler had Jewish roots as well and Stalin for that matter comes from Caucus, also the place for one of the lost tribes of Israel. so what now? The best and the brightest - JEWS! and the best villains are Jews as well.

But who gives a d....m all politicians are immersed in bloody business here or there, directly or indirectly, intentionally or by accident.

Remember the old guys "..what are you looking at the thorn in the eye of your brethren, when you have a log in yours..."

Islam seeks to convert non-... (Below threshold)
bl:

Islam seeks to convert non-muslims, or kill them, or at the very least tax them to encourage conversion. The only book required in a Muslim home is the Quoran. Women are considered second class citizens, only good for housework and sex. One must pray 5 times per day and dedicate their life to serving Allah. Islam requires total submission to Allah, and the prophet Muhammad. Thanks, but I'd rather die fighting to destroy these insane Islamists than convert.

And look at this, another f... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

And look at this, another fucking arguement/fight about this. When are people going to learn, the problem is both sides, why the hell can't they live together is the bigger question. Sure life in the US isn't perfect but we aren't shooting at Canada. At this point it really doesn't matter who started it, this region has been in conflict since the time of Christ. Killing at the "terrorists" (whichever side you think are the terrorists) isn't going to solve anything. The only time there will be peace in the region is when the people, the mass majority, set aside their hatred of each other and decide to accept each other's culture. Until then any UN/US resolution/cease-fire/agreement does nothing.

They're not Arab-haters, th... (Below threshold)
rainman:

They're not Arab-haters, they're just blind Israel supporters. I cant think of any human who can look at the indiscriminate bombings in Lebanon and see it right. Maybe if you're full of hate enough, you'll believe anything (90% of Israel supports the current operation).

Like I said before, there's no difference in Israel and Al Qaeda. Anyone with complete dis-regard for innocent human life sails in the same boat as far are I'm concerned, so far Israel fits in like a glove.

i love you jacob... (Below threshold)
Barakat:

i love you jacob

I don't think the Jews k... (Below threshold)
snowballs:

I don't think the Jews know any more about peace than Al Queda does. What else can you expect from a race that crucified their only prophet of peace?.

Why would they? And since when did believers in any religion become a "race"? Idiot.

RainmanThe Jews didn... (Below threshold)
Psallo:

Rainman
The Jews didn't crucify Jesus, the Romans did. And Jesus was not a prophet of peace, if that is who you are talking about. He is the Son of God sent into the world to save the world. If the Islamist facists knew the Prince of Peace they wouldn't be hell bent on destroying Israel. As it is they follow the prophet mohammed who only knew peace through domination. He was anti-Christ.

I love how most US citizens... (Below threshold)
Sean:

I love how most US citizens always take Israel's side no matter how ignorant or absurd their actions. You have to love the power of Ignorance and Religion. First off, Israelis are not the chosen people. Second we (the US) helped create the nation of Israel on land that was not all theirs. That is the root of the conflict. Israel needs to be held responsible for its actions. Israel continually pushes it agenda with US dollars. This latest conflict is akin to Israel killing a fly using a grenade. Well, they do have a nice example from the US. On the talk of illegitimate funding, what about the 150 Billion a year the US gives Israel each year.

I smell socks.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I smell socks.

Psallo, Please don't try an... (Below threshold)
rainman:

Psallo, Please don't try and preach the good book to me when you evidently don't understand squat of it.

"Crucify Him Crucify Him" was what the Jews' cried out in Judgement. The sentence was only carried out by the Romans.

Ironically, it was Pilate who washed his hands "Symbolically clensing himself of his death".

I stated he was a prophet of peace cause I did not want to enforce my belief that he is the son of God on anyone else. Prophet of peace is something everyone can agree on.

Again, don't preach about something you know nothing about. FWIW, I am Catholic.

Snowballs.. In it'... (Below threshold)
rainman:

Snowballs..

In it's broadest term, Race is defined as a grouping of people based on culture. Look it up in the dictionary....Idiot!.

And yeah, We agree on one thing, Israel knows just about as much about peace as Al Qaeda does.

First off, Israelis are ... (Below threshold)
ReadyFirst:

First off, Israelis are not the chosen people

Who cares. I could care less if we were talking about Munchkinland. The fundamental question is does a state have the right to defend itself. If Al Queda were launching a few thousand rockets from Toronto into Chicago I'd be among the first to want to take Toronto off the map. I'd want to warn the innocents first like Israel did but after that, Chicago is more important to me. How many innocents did we kill in Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Does this make it regrettable yes, wrong, no. The fact is Israel is our main ally in the Middle East. Hopefully that will change over time and we will have even more good allies. This will be exponentially harder as long as you have state sponsorship of terrorism from countries like Iran and Syria that provide funding and safe havens. Unfortunately, I think some people on this thread are letting their racial/religious bias' delude them into thinking this problem would go away were Israel wiped off the map.

"This coordinated artillery... (Below threshold)
rainman:

"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long-established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," he said in a statement.

"Furthermore, General Alain Pelligrini, the U.N. force commander in south Lebanon, had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day on Tuesday, stressing the need to protect that particular U.N. position from attack."

I thought this might help substantiate Annan's Call. I just love how people only cherry pick quotes out of context.

Cherry pick...where have I heard that before...wait...Intelligence for Iraq!.

"What about the 150 bill... (Below threshold)
914:

"What about the 150 billion a year the US gives Isreal each year?

Money well spent.

First off Isrealis are not the chosen people.

Thank You GOD!

"This latest conflict is akin to Isreal killing a fly using a grenade"

Whatever it takes.

Second We (the US) helped create Isreal, on land that was not all theirs?

So? why dont we just create a whole new planet for them and there would be no conflict? right?

ReadyFirst, Who ca... (Below threshold)
Sean:

ReadyFirst,

Who cares if Israel is out main ally in the middle east. Does that make their actions right. Oh its ok to kill people if you are our ally? How many Palestinians have died in the last month? How many more are wounded and homless. I see Israel constantly taking extremest action, but its OK cause they are our Ally?

ReadyFirst, Who care... (Below threshold)
Sean:

ReadyFirst,
Who cares if Israel is our main ally in the Middle East? Does that make their actions right. Oh its ok to kill people if you are our ally? How many Palestinians have died in the last month? How many more are wounded and homeless. I see Israel constantly taking extremist action, but its OK cause they are our Ally? ---reposted with spelling corrected - love spell check :-)

PS. Have any of you wondered why so many in the Middle East dislike the US? Could it be our incessant support of Israel in actions such as this? Not to mention our constant manipulation and greed for oil in the region (just like our war with Iraq was about a war on terror - laughable).

Imagine the loss of life if... (Below threshold)

Imagine the loss of life if all those UN personell weren't out building roads for Hezbollah...

And maybe the Israelis just got confused... what with Hezbollah flags flying from UN positions and the entire infrastructure of Hezbollah being constructed during 6 years of UNIFIL... oversight...

Sean,By definition... (Below threshold)
Imhotep:

Sean,

By definition all Palestinians are "homeless", there is no such place as Palestine. And there hasn't been since Great Britan signed the Balfour Agreement.

Have any of You thought tha... (Below threshold)
914:

Have any of You thought that it is a media driven publicity stunt? meant to make You disfavor the Isrealis as much as the Shamestream media do? Dont be fooled..!

but its OK cause they ar... (Below threshold)
ReadyFirst:

but its OK cause they are our Ally? ---reposted with spelling corrected - love spell check :-)

Sean, Ally was the first name of a TV character starring Calista Flockhart, Israel is our Allie.

Does that make their actions right. It does if you agree with the fundamental premise of my post which is does a state have the right to defend itself? The extremist action that I see is on the part of the terror masters in Iran (and to a lesser extent Syria) who use surrogate groups like Hizbollah to foment hatred and conduct terrorist actions in the region. Yes Sean, any group that uses children and others as suicide bombers are terrorists. If you think defense from that makes Israel extremist then count me among them. Perhaps if Yassar Arafat didn't steal the billions he received in aid for his personal use with the rest going to the PLO the Palestinians would have a better place to live. This won't change as long as you have armed thugs/terrorists running the country.

Sean,By definition... (Below threshold)
Imhotep:

Sean,

By definition Palestinians are "homeless", because Palestine does not exist and has not 'existed' since the Balfour Declaration in 1917......Thank you Great Briton.

ReadyFirst, A state has a ... (Below threshold)
Sean:

ReadyFirst, A state has a right to defend itself. When the defense of that state takes on extreme and unbalanced actions, then its akin to terrorism.

Surprisingly if you do a li... (Below threshold)
someone:

Surprisingly if you do a little litterature survey it has been the britishers and the other small european nations which sowed the seeds for the todays troubles by just withdrawing from their colonies without leaving a structure in place. Look at the countries in Africa which were once under British, French and Portugese rule, they are all realing under militancy and bloodshed. India and Pakistan have been fighting it out over Kashmir which never got resolved to begin with. All you need now is some nuclear balsts.

Taliban was created by US, nurtured by US and every penny for them was given by US. If you give missiles and launchers to a herd of animals do you expect them to keep them in their ass after the fight is done?

It has been the same like Hollywood movies. A big nation screws up...then hero saves the world...sadly here there is no hero. I predict one day US and UK would be nuked and all the groundwork for that has already been done. Just wish you have a hero...coz your presidents would be busy fucking their secretaries when a mad Islamic terrorist explodes the bomb...

Jewish state, Islamic state... (Below threshold)
clrjk:

Jewish state, Islamic state. The idea that a country can be identified by the religion of its inhabitants is complete hogwash! The creation of Israel was a mistake and nothing more than an act of penance by the West to make them feel better about WW2. The legacy, Islamic terrorism.

As has often been stated being anti Israel is not being antisemitic. However being Pro Israel seems to be anti Islam/Arab?palestinean.

paul cohen:<blockquo... (Below threshold)
MikeB:

paul cohen:


the morons writing in the board are anti-arab, racist idiots who are incapable of thinking. Frauds and haters. I think Israe deliberately bombed UN. NO doubt about it.

For the record, I'm anti-simian. Discussions around here were of a higher quality and the English language less brutalized before all of you simians started wading in.

- MikeB

In Jerimiah GOD states:" As... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

In Jerimiah GOD states:" As long as there are stars in the heavens, Israel will be my chosen people." Like it or not, I still see stars in the sky.
This war does not go back to 1948, it goes back to Abraham looking out over the area from a mountain and GOD telling him," As far as the eye can see, this land is yours."
Islam is a religion created by Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham, that was banished from the promised land.
So, to summarize, this is a war over inheritence.
I simplified this, but the gist is correct.

Kofi Annan is a tool. He's... (Below threshold)

Kofi Annan is a tool. He's obtuse - not nuanced.

About those Palestinian innocents getting killed all the time (Through Pallywood Productions, they are determined to make you believe they are being indiscriminately killed by the scores. And the MSM helps them.)

And those who are using the term Israel's "indiscriminate bombing" ... Flashing your opinion on screen just because you like the way it looks does not make it a fact. These bombings are not indiscriminate. Targets are picked meticulously. Yes, an error is inevitable, but it does not make it indiscriminate nor purposeful.

I keep hearing about the poor Palestinian family killed on the beach in Gaza by an Israeli rocket. Gee, I wonder if this is the very same spot on the beach where the Palestinians had just recently had their little "rocket accident" and killed their own, then blamed it on Israel. Just wondering.

The number of civilians dead in southern Lebanon is all inclusive. Terrorists are civilians too, albeit "militant" civilians. To deem them all "innocent" civilians is merely your own conclusion. Do you guys jump to conclusions just for the exercise? Or are you too lazy to figure things out on your own and just parrot what you hear?

Sean:Who ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Sean:

Who cares if Israel is our main ally in the Middle East? Does that make their actions right. Oh its ok to kill people if you are our ally? How many Palestinians have died in the last month? How many more are wounded and homeless. I see Israel constantly taking extremist action, but its OK cause they are our Ally? ---reposted with spelling corrected - love spell check :-)

Just because Israel is our ally, no, it doesn't make their actions right. What makes their actions right is what cause they're fighting for...which is their survival. How many different countries need to say Israel needs to be destroyed, then act on it, before Israel is justified in quashing the terrorists who attack her?

If all you see is Israel taking extremist action, you're only reading half of the news, or are hopelessly biased. This isn't some boxing match from the 1920s where two gentlemen enter the ring and trade blow for blow...just standing there hitting each other in the face with measured precision. An organization that's not only itself declared you should no longer exist, but is funded by countries who feel that same and may have the military power to help it happen are not to be coddled and appeased.

So no, I don't support Israel just because she's our ally, I support Israel because I don't support the terrorists attacking her.

PS. Have any of you wondered why so many in the Middle East dislike the US? Could it be our incessant support of Israel in actions such as this? Not to mention our constant manipulation and greed for oil in the region (just like our war with Iraq was about a war on terror - laughable).


No, I've not wondered why so many in the middle east dislike us. But if you think it's soley our support for Israel, then your proposed solution would be what? Abandon Israel to the dogs just so the muslims will be nicer to us (until they want something else)? That's an admirable attitude. I feel bad for people who think you're their friend.

As far as your tired, and baseless accusation regarding oil...stow it already and find a talking point that actually has merit...and for that matter, actually applies to what we're discussing here.

With their documented histo... (Below threshold)
Thrush:

With their documented history of assisting (or at the very least, not preventing) terrorists at the borders using their trucks/uniforms or firing rockets right next door, you really have to wonder if there was something going on at this position.

To claim Israel "indiscriminately bombs" is just naieve. Just compare the precision guided smart bombs Israel uses to the anti-personnel rockets (filled with ball bearings, shrapnel and explosives to maximize the casualties) that are being fired at cities and towns in Israel.

If Israel really wanted to "indiscriminately bomb" Lebanon, they could carpet bomb the cities there (ala Dresden). I'd bet that less terrorists would get away with that method, but the civilian death toll would be too great for Israel to consider this tactic. If Hezbollah had this option available to them, I'd bet they'd do it in a heartbeat. Instead, they'll just have to fire thousands of rockets at the cities/towns.

Equating people who are trying to kill non-combatants to the people who are trying to kill them before they kill non-combatants (prevent innocent deaths) is just asinine.

clrjk:Je... (Below threshold)

clrjk:

Jewish state, Islamic state. The idea that a country can be identified by the religion of its inhabitants is complete hogwash!

Nobody tell clrjk about the independent nation of Vatican City, then...

Also, clrjk: "Jewish" is not just a religion, but a culture. That's why "athiest Jews" are not an oxymoron.

"The creation of Israel was a mistake..." take that up with the original creators. The modern re-creation was the fulfillment of a promise made long before the Holocaust. And Islamic terrorism predates it, too.

J.

Volkan, Hezbollah started t... (Below threshold)
viking:

Volkan, Hezbollah started this when they kidnapped the IDF soldiers.

So Israel can kill hundered... (Below threshold)
true word:

So Israel can kill hundereds because two MILITARY MEN are abducted!!!
Israel holds Hundereds of CIVILIAN palestinians/Lebanese in its prisons and no one holds it responsible!!!
This whole thing is obviously another West/Israeli plan in the WAR ON ISLAM (NOT TERROR AS THEY CLAIM) the soldier abductions are just an excuse.
Go on.. Kill more Muslims, awaken the world to your blood thirsty plans of world domination. Your real fear and the only rock that stands in your way are the 'Shia Muslims' hence targetting Iran and Hizbolla.
I have no doubt that Israel is funding and helping to maintain the killing in Iraq for the same reason.
You claim to be the 'chosen people' yet you chose only to look after your own materialistic 'Zionist' interests whatever happens to the rest of the world
Go on you started the war First 9-11, then Iraq and now Lebanon will you achieve world domination.. IDONT THINK SO.. BECAUSE YOUR GOALS ARE NOT FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND

I can think of 241 reasons ... (Below threshold)

I can think of 241 reasons to hate the HisBullies...

Given that UNIFIL has sat there for 6 years watching the HisBullies build up their infrastructure when their specific mission was to prevent that...

Given that UNIFIL filmed the last kidnapping, in 2000, then lied about the video tapes they made of it that would have saved those 3 hostages lives...

Given that UNIFIL let this kidnapping happen...

Given a hundred failures in between then and now...

[Doing my best ChrisMatthews wino in the street shouting impression]:
I'd say it's a shame the fire wasn't accurate and deliberate.

Yes, dead BBQ'ed babies tur... (Below threshold)

Yes, dead BBQ'ed babies turn me on.

Yes, dead BBQ'ed babies tur... (Below threshold)

Yes, dead BBQ'ed babies turn me on.

Jay TeaFor all int... (Below threshold)
clrjk:

Jay Tea

For all intents and purposes the Vatican or holy See is an independent state. I stand corrected. But you do not honestly think that there is any comparison between the Vatican and Israel, do you?! If you do then you are more deluded than I originally thought.

Judaism is a religion, not a culture, no more than Islam, Christianity and Bhuddism are religions and not cultures. The idea that a non Israeli person or group of no Isareli persons, but because of their Jewish religion can go to Israel and claim it as their birthright is complete and utter bollox!!!

To hell with Israel I say as a Jewish nation state. But to hell with Judaism or Jews, not at all. To hell with the Caliphate. But to hell with Muslims, again not at all. Religion should never be politicised. And you my friend, should get out more.

"For all intents and purpos... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

"For all intents and purposes the Vatican or holy See is an independent state?" No, clrjk, Vatican City is, de facto and de jure, IS an sovereign nation. It has its own government and military force. It exchanges ambassadors with most of the nations of the world -- including the United States and Israel. It has its own flag.

And I repeat: Judaism is NOT merely a religion. As I said before and you blissfully ignored, "Jewish Athiest" is not an oxymoron, but a genuine demographic. And Israel is NOT a theocracy; it can be argued that non-Jewish Israelis have more freedoms than Jewish ones -- only the Jewish citizens are compelled to offer military service; non-Jewish citizens have to volunteer (and many do). They also serve in the government at all levels.

Show me a single other nation in the region where Jews are even allowed to live in peace, let alone exercise the full benefits of citizenship. Hell, they're not even allowed to set foot in Saudi Arabia.

J.

Jay TeaAgain I ask... (Below threshold)
clrjk:

Jay Tea

Again I ask you, are you really comparing the Holy See with the Jewish state of Israel? And a Jewish aethiest is a "demographic"? Let me assure you, that there is no comparison what-so-ever. The Vatican is not encroaching on land it is not entitled to, nor are there hordes of Catholics looking to take up permanent residency there.

As for Jewish aethiests, what distinguishes them from say Christian aethiests? An aethiest is an aethiest, a non believer by choice. So on a questionnaire, a Jewish aethiest would have his own box to tick? Absolute bollox. He is an aethiest, nothing more, nothing less and his former religion does not define him.

"Show me a single other nation in the region where Jews are even allowed to live in peace, let alone exercise the full benefits of citizenship"

If Israel had been more neighbourly towards its neighbours, then perhaps the level of hostility between Isarel and the Arab states would be a lot less. Let's face it, 2000 years of hostility is not gojng to be settled by American armaments fired by a Jewish army of many different nationals, European Jews, American Jews, South African Jews, Russian Jews.

It is time to tell Jews that Israel is not their birthright, but a holiday destination a place of pilgrimage, just as the Vatican is to Roman Catholics.

Saudi is an enigma. The centre of Islam, an oil rich state, a royal dictatorship, but so what, it is convenient to be in bed with them.

Jay TeaAgain I ask... (Below threshold)
clrjk:

Jay Tea

Again I ask you, are you really comparing the Holy See with the Jewish state of Israel? And a Jewish aethiest is a "demographic"? Let me assure you, that there is no comparison what-so-ever. The Vatican is not encroaching on land it is not entitled to, nor are there hordes of Catholics looking to take up permanent residency there.

As for Jewish aethiests, what distinguishes them from say Christian aethiests? An aethiest is an aethiest, a non believer by choice. So on a questionnaire, a Jewish aethiest would have his own box to tick? Absolute bollox. He is an aethiest, nothing more, nothing less and his former religion does not define him.

"Show me a single other nation in the region where Jews are even allowed to live in peace, let alone exercise the full benefits of citizenship"

If Israel had been more neighbourly towards its neighbours, then perhaps the level of hostility between Isarel and the Arab states would be a lot less. Let's face it, 2000 years of hostility is not gojng to be settled by American armaments fired by a Jewish army of many different nationals, European Jews, American Jews, South African Jews, Russian Jews.

It is time to tell Jews that Israel is not their birthright, but a holiday destination a place of pilgrimage, just as the Vatican is to Roman Catholics.

Saudi is an enigma. The centre of Islam, an oil rich state, a royal dictatorship, but so what, it is convenient to be in bed with them.

No, ColorJerk, I'm comparin... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

No, ColorJerk, I'm comparing your assertion that "(t)he idea that a country can be identified by the religion of its inhabitants is complete hogwash!" with reality. You tried to weasel out of it, and I wouldn't let you.

And yes, I've met several Jewish athiests. Their mothers were Jewish, but they do not attend Temple or observe the Holidays or anything else -- but they are still Jewish under Jewish law. Also, note that the Nazis didn't judge Jewishness based on religion, but genetics. You insist in ignoring another reality -- that Judaism is a religion, but Jewishness is not synonymous with Judaism. Judaism is a subset.

The Jews once governed the land of Israel, and have maintained an uninterrupted presence there for literally millenia. They have won and re-won their right to exist legally, morally, and militarily. They took the most worthless hunk of land in the whole region and literally made the desert bloom. They created a functioning democracy out of absolutely nothing. And they have repeatedly defeated all-out efforts by their neighbors to wipe them out.

And they've been pretty damned good friends, too -- I'd certainly put them above some of other of our "traditional allies" like the French.

Israeli "unneighborliness" has mainly consisted of saying "no thanks" when those neighors have tried to wipe them out. (See 1948, 1967, 1973 for a few examples.) Damned rude of them, but what can you do?

Saudi Arabia is NOT an enigma. It's a corrupt monarchy trying to ward off violent revolution by paying off its enemies to go someplace else to raise their hell.

OK, enough. I got my own pieces to write.

J.

Jay Tea--nice post--Why are... (Below threshold)
bl:

Jay Tea--nice post--Why are Arabs so unwilling to see their own culpability in Mideast conflicts. The Hezbollah were supposed to disarm, no? To ignore that is to be in denial that terrorists do not honor UN resolutions. Not only were Hezbollah not supposed to exist in Lebanon, they somehow managed to stockpile weapons. When has Israel not honored its borders? Only when attacked by its neighbors, then only to prevent these areas from being used by these neighbors to continue agression against Israel. When will you fools stop complaining about the backlash against you when YOU attack Israel....Grasshopper, Do not attempt to kill a tiger using a slingshot.

Jay TeaEasy tiger.... (Below threshold)
clrjk:

Jay Tea

Easy tiger. Run out of tampons or can you not handle having your assertions questioned?

Sitting behind the keyboard espousing your half baked "pieces" makes you feel vastly superior, doesn't it?! Armchair pundits, like armchair sportsfans---------useless fat fxxxs.

If it wasn't for the internet, you would be a sadder little man than you actually are. Your cyber arrogance vastly outweighs the validity of your "pieces"

In other words, you are just an anonymous jerk, a know all, a billy no mates!!

Goodbye Jay Tea

Jay TeaEasy tiger.... (Below threshold)
clrjk:

Jay Tea

Easy tiger. Run out of tampons or can you not handle having your assertions questioned?

Sitting behind the keyboard espousing your half baked "pieces" makes you feel vastly superior, doesn't it?! Armchair pundits, like armchair sportsfans---------useless fat fxxxs.

If it wasn't for the internet, you would be a sadder little man than you actually are. Your cyber arrogance vastly outweighs the validity of your "pieces"

In other words, you are just an anonymous jerk, a know all, a billy no mates!!

Goodbye Jay Tea

I pretty much know I've won... (Below threshold)

I pretty much know I've won the argument when they go after me instead of my arguments. Thanks for conceding.

J.

put us in Lebadons place. I... (Below threshold)
Brent Dawson Racing:

put us in Lebadons place. Isreal would be gone problem solved

hizbollah is a recognized t... (Below threshold)
liberal media controlers , i am not blinded:

hizbollah is a recognized terrorist organization. i feel for lebanese who have losses but guys, if your worried about "ethnic cleansing" and poportion and etc. like volkan and what not, look to where the blood is really being spilled, darfur




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