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Lebanese Website: Hezbollah Responsible for Qana Deaths

Updated

YNetNews is reporting that a Lebanese website is accusing Hezbollah of killing the children in the house in Qana in order to destroy the Lebanese president's plan which would call for the disarming of Hezbollah:

Is Hizbullah behind the tragic incident in the village of Qana that claimed the lives of some 60 people? While the Israeli army continues to investigate the circumstances leading to the building's collapse, some in Lebanon do not hesitate to point the finger at the Shiite organization and claim it is to blame for the death of dozens.


The Lebanese website LIBANOSCOPIE , associated with Christian elements in the country and which openly supports the anti-Syrian movement called the "March 14 Forces," reported that Hizbullah has masterminded a plan that would result in the killing of innocents in the Qana village, in a bid to foil Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's "Seven Points Plan", which calls for deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon and the disarming of Hizbullah.

"We have it from a credible source that Hizbullah, alarmed by Siniora's plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations. Knowing full well that Israel will not hesitate to bombard civilian targets, Hizbullah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the negotiation initiative," the site stated.

The site's editors also claimed that not only did Hizbullah stage the event, but that it also chose Qana for a specific reason: "They used Qana because the village had already turned into a symbol for massacring innocent civilians, and so they set up 'Qana 2'." Notably, the incident has indeed been dubbed "The second Qana massacre" by the Arab media.

If this report is true, Hezbollah killed those poor children, Lebanese children, and blamed Israel in order to justify its own existence. It was then Israel, which wasn't even responsible for the deaths, that implemented the 48 hour aerial operation suspension so the tragedy could be investigated. It comes as no surprise that Israel cares more about the fate of the Lebanese children than Hezbollah does.

Update: LGF says this report should be treated with skepticism because of its source. I'm not sure why this source should be treated with any more skepticism than the story Hezbollah is pedaling. Afterall, it isn't a surprise that Hezbollah kills Muslim children in order to advance its own goals.

Update II: Bryan at Hot Air points to this post at NRO's Media Blog which says that NBC's Richard Engel is trying to answer the logical question: where were the men in Qana? Watch Engel's report here.


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Comments (39)

I got some questions:... (Below threshold)
johnny bravo:

I got some questions:

Why the MSM keeps counting the number and type of missiles Hezbollah launches into Israel, but no one seems to count the number and type of bombs and missiles Israel launches into Lebanon, what's the difference?

Why we still have not seen any picture or video of Hezbollah rocket batteries destroyed amongst the rubble of the buildings Israel destroyed?

Did anyone see a Hezbollah rocket launcher at the Beirut Airport? Or the Power plant?

It’s the phrase "the right to defend itself" copyrighted by Israel?

Why everyone has to comply (or else) with IAEA and UN resolutions and inspections, but Israel?

with what type of moral authority the US can ask countries (like Syria and Iran) to stop sending armament to Hezbollah (allegedly) when the US is sending armament to Israel (allegedly)?

Why nobody wants to address the root of the problem: the inhumane conditions in the Ghettos in Gaza and West Bank, and the right to Palestine to exist, and be respected as human beings?

How the people trying to leave the South of Lebanon or the country can do so if almost every bridge and road is bombed and destroyed? I think the flying magic carpet is just a stereotype...

CNN will surely remind us today that it is Day 19 of the Israel-Hezbollah war - now branded as Crisis in the Middle East - but you won't catch anyone saying it's Day 1,229 of the war in Iraq.

I hope I am not labeled as anti-Semite, because I am asking these questions...

Why should anyone care if H... (Below threshold)

Why should anyone care if Hezbollah was responsible for the deaths of those kids? Don't we already think of Hezbollah as scum? Don't we already know they are willing to kill a whole lot of people in order to destroy Israel? For just as the sun rises in the east, terrorists kill innocents. Nothing new folks, time to move on.

Responding to Johnny bravo.... (Below threshold)
jdavenport:

Responding to Johnny bravo.

JB: Did anyone see a Hezbollah rocket launcher at the Beirut Airport? Or the Power plant?

No, those were tactical targets.

JB: Why everyone has to comply (or else) with IAEA and UN resolutions and inspections, but Israel?

Nobody follows UN resolutions and inspections. The U.N. has no actual coercive power. There is no such thing as international law. The only reason we bother with this charade is because people like you don't understand the truth. Welcome to the truth.

JM: "Why nobody wants to address the root of the problem: the inhumane conditions in the Ghettos in Gaza and West Bank, and the right to Palestine to exist, and be respected as human beings?"

No, the root problem is poor governance.

Wake up.

Gee JB,Why don't we ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Gee JB,
Why don't we see the pictures of Israeli women and children hit my Hizzbollah attacks?
Why is it that they count the attacks on IS but not the victims, and the victims in Leb. but not the number of attacks?
Think these ratios might tell you something about the nature of Hizzbollah and IS?

Johnny, I'll take a couple ... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Johnny, I'll take a couple of those in no real order:

1) Israel can tell the IAEA to go pound sand because they (unlike Iran) never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The IAEA derives its authority with any nation through that treaty.

2) The airport, roads, and ports are being hit to prevent Hezbollah from retreating and to keep Iran and Syria from rearming Hezbollah.

3) Gaza is a hellhole of the Palestinians' own making. Israel withdrew, remember?

4) "The right to Palestine to exist." Palestine, as depicted by many supporters, is a fiction. There never WAS a historic Palestine. There are no historic accounts of Palestinian history, no listings of rulers, no accounts of their relations with other nations, not even a mention of their currency.

5) The United States can sell weapons to Israel because they are a sovereign nation. Hezbollah is NOT a government, and therefore should NOT be supplied with weapons such as missiles and rockets.

6) The difference in reporting the attacks by both sides is based on available info. Israel keeps track of how many missiles that are fired into their country, and reports them. It doesn't reveal its own numbers because that information is classified and could be useful to the enemy -- just like Israel doesn't report just when and where those missiles come down.

On the other side, the Lebanese casualties are usually given, yet rarely are the Israeli. That feeds into the "dead Lebanese are atrocities, dead Israelis are unfortunate" argument so many Israeli supporters buy into -- and I count myself as one of them.

I'm not going to address the anti-Semitism issue with you, except to say that you are right to think it might be seen that way.

J.


I got some questions:... (Below threshold)
cirby:

I got some questions:

Why the MSM keeps counting the number and type of missiles Hezbollah launches into Israel, but no one seems to count the number and type of bombs and missiles Israel launches into Lebanon, what's the difference?

Random attacks by a terrorist organization from a country where a lot of the media are controlled by Hezbollah, versus a free country hitting at narrowly-specified targets.

Why we still have not seen any picture or video of Hezbollah rocket batteries destroyed amongst the rubble of the buildings Israel destroyed?

That's what happens when the press let themselves get led around by Hezbollah spokesmen, instead of going out and covering the actual story.

Did anyone see a Hezbollah rocket launcher at the Beirut Airport? Or the Power plant?

They hit those for two reasons. The airport to keep Hezbollah from bringing in new weapons, and the power plant to generally disrupt the neighborhoods the bad guys were in. The false "only target rocket launchers" fantasy is yours alone, I'm afraid.

It’s the phrase "the right to defend itself" copyrighted by Israel?

No, it's just the fact that they're the only ones in the area who seem to have the actual need to use that phrase, instead of "defending" youself in the Hezbollah manner (firing randomly across the border just to kill some Jews who aren't shooting at you first).

Why everyone has to comply (or else) with IAEA and UN resolutions and inspections, but Israel?

Because Israel didn't sign the Nonproliferation Treaty and then decide to welch on it, like those other folks did, or sign other agreements to not have nuclear weapons programs, like Korea did.

with what type of moral authority the US can ask countries (like Syria and Iran) to stop sending armament to Hezbollah (allegedly) when the US is sending armament to Israel (allegedly)?

With the same "the Israelis aren't attempting to commit genocide" reason that's been there for a half-century or so. You can take out those "allegedlys," by the way, it just makes you sound even more disingenuous than normal.

Why nobody wants to address the root of the problem: the inhumane conditions in the Ghettos in Gaza and West Bank, and the right to Palestine to exist, and be respected as human beings?

..those same "inhumane" conditions that let them have a better standard of living than most of the rest of the Palestinians in the Middle East, and an expanding population and higher income than pretty much all of the "underclass" in the area.

It's hard to describe a people as liviing in "inhumane" conditions when almost all of them have power, water, and phone service.

How the people trying to leave the South of Lebanon or the country can do so if almost every bridge and road is bombed and destroyed? I think the flying magic carpet is just a stereotype...

...as is the "almost every bridge and road" myth. they took out a few (the ones that would allow resupply from Syria, for example), but as the presence of news crews out of Beirut in southern Lebanon prove, the roads are hardly impassable.

CNN will surely remind us today that it is Day 19 of the Israel-Hezbollah war - now branded as Crisis in the Middle East - but you won't catch anyone saying it's Day 1,229 of the war in Iraq.

Especially since the actual "war" was over a couple of years back.

I hope I am not labeled as anti-Semite, because I am asking these questions...

Well, if you'd stop using the standard talking points used by the other anti-Semites, you might have better luck.


I got some questions:</... (Below threshold)
marc:

I got some questions:

Why the MSM keeps counting the number and type of missiles Hezbollah launches into Israel, but no one seems to count the number and type of bombs and missiles Israel launches into Lebanon, what's the difference?

Could be part of their ingrained bias. With thousands of Israel bombs and artillery shells fired thus far it makes the loss pf 800 Lebanese lives seem very low.

Why we still have not seen any picture or video of Hezbollah rocket batteries destroyed amongst the rubble of the buildings Israel destroyed?

Mobile launchers? Or considering the size of the launchers and amont of destruction they were vaporized.

Did anyone see a Hezbollah rocket launcher at the Beirut Airport? Or the Power plant?

You are showing your extreme lack of military strategy. It's called hitting the enemys "lines of communication." A permissable and well kown tactic for centuries.

It’s the phrase "the right to defend itself" copyrighted by Israel?

Israeli is defending itself. Hezbollah is reacting to the consequences of crosssig an internationally recognized border, killing 8, kidnapping 2 and firing rockets into Israeli to mask that operation.

Why everyone has to comply (or else) with IAEA and UN resolutions and inspections, but Israel?

Didn't know there was a difference.

with what type of moral authority the US can ask countries (like Syria and Iran) to stop sending armament to Hezbollah (allegedly) when the US is sending armament to Israel (allegedly)?

The question answers itself. Hezbollah, terrorist organization. Syria and Iran supporters of terrorist organizations.

Why nobody wants to address the root of the problem: the inhumane conditions in the Ghettos in Gaza and West Bank, and the right to Palestine to exist, and be respected as human beings?

The EU countries and the US has pumped billions of dollars to the Palestinians over the last 2 decades. Where did it go? In Arafats pockets. And when will the right for Israel to exist be respected?

How the people trying to leave the South of Lebanon or the country can do so if almost every bridge and road is bombed and destroyed? I think the flying magic carpet is just a stereotype...

The same way over 800,000 have fled north. The same way journalists are to this day getting deep into southern Lebanon, escorted by their Hezbollah handlers. Could it be those handlers don't want everyone to leave?

CNN will surely remind us today that it is Day 19 of the Israel-Hezbollah war - now branded as Crisis in the Middle East - but you won't catch anyone saying it's Day 1,229 of the war in Iraq.

If the point is Iraq isn't in the news you are not looking. Other than that meaningless point.

Although my French ain't th... (Below threshold)
McCain:

Although my French ain't the best, it is clear that www.ynetnews.com has taken liberties by misrepresenting what the news article actually says.

The story is not a claim by the editors, or even a claim by multiple people. The story is a report of a single unnamed "well-placed" source who claims to know that Hezbollah staging the event, and it is written in such a way as to leave the reader skeptical of the claim.

So it is false to say they are "reporting" that Hezbollah materminded the event, it is false to report that the sites "editors" are claiming it, and it is false to report that any more than one unknown person speculated about it.

I would appreciate another person going back to the original French and confirming my read or tell me where I am wrong.

Why we still have not seen ... (Below threshold)
Chritian:

Why we still have not seen any picture or video of Hezbollah rocket batteries destroyed amongst the rubble of the buildings Israel destroyed?

--You really think Hizbollah would show you that? You really think they want the world to know Israeli strikes are hurting them??

Did anyone see a Hezbollah rocket launcher at the Beirut Airport? Or the Power plant?

---Those are tactical targets. If the airport was still in tact, thousands of rockets and weapons would be flown in from Iran and Syria and given to the hizbollah terrorists.
It’s the phrase "the right to defend itself" copyrighted by Israel?

---What did u expect Israel to do after 2 of its soldiers got kidnapped and 8 were killed for no reason? Send Lebanon a postard? Israel withdrew from Lebanon 6 yrs ago. This was no a terrorist attack on Israel, this was an ACT OF WAR, as Hizbollah is in the Lebanese govt.

Why everyone has to comply (or else) with IAEA and UN resolutions and inspections, but Israel?

---Because Israel has nukes to defend herself, Arabs want nukes to destroy Israel. Do you ever hear Israeli presidents OPENLY say they want a country wiped off the map?

with what type of moral authority the US can ask countries (like Syria and Iran) to stop sending armament to Hezbollah (allegedly) when the US is sending armament to Israel (allegedly)?

---Iran and Syria are sending TERRORISTS weapons to kill innocent Israeli civilians, prolong the war, and to keep everybodys focus on Lebanon and not on Irans nukes. USA is giving weapons to Israel to defend herself from terrorists and wipe out hizbollah, who kiled 241 US MARINES in 1982.
Why nobody wants to address the root of the problem: the inhumane conditions in the Ghettos in Gaza and West Bank, and the right to Palestine to exist, and be respected as human beings?

---What a stupid arguement. The arab govts. keep their people poor, not Israel! Stop blaming Israel because the arabs are poor. Ninety nine percent of arabs are uneducated, savages. They dont go to school, and the ones that do go, all they hear day in and day out is KILL JEWS, KILL CHRISTIANS, 72 VIRGINS, etc! Again, stop making excuses! Stop the damn rallies everyday, dont these people work? Why can Israel make a desert into paradise, and arab morons still live in tents?

How the people trying to leave the South of Lebanon or the country can do so if almost every bridge and road is bombed and destroyed? I think the flying magic carpet is just a stereotype...

---Have you asked yourself why Hizbollah started this? Was it worth it? Did u think Israel was gonna sitback and let its civiians die? If hizbollah can manage to launch thousands of missles into Israel while under Israeli bombardment, then I bet those people can get out. Maybe the lebanese living in the South shouldn't have voted for Hizbollah, ha?
CNN will surely remind us today that it is Day 19 of the Israel-Hezbollah war - now branded as Crisis in the Middle East - but you won't catch anyone saying it's Day 1,229 of the war in Iraq.

---It's Day 1,129 of the war in Iraq. Did that make you happy? Iraq, although is messy at times, especially when savage shiites are blowing fellow sunnis up, and choppings heads off people, is now under a democratically elected Iraqi govt., and the US will leave once things get better.

Gaza would be a popular tou... (Below threshold)

Gaza would be a popular tourist destination, all they ever needed to do was to stop killing innocent people and stop Arafat from stealing all the money they could have used to build some very nice resort hotels on the beach. They'd have jobs and peace, instead they got suicide vests and about 5% of the money people sent them. $5 BILLION could have built a decent hospital or two in Gaza too, Ararfat could have gotten medical at home instead of having to go to France.

Johnny bravo. You wonder ab... (Below threshold)

Johnny bravo. You wonder about the living conditions in Gaza and West Bank? That isn't Israel's fault. It's the fault of the Palestinians themselves and the terrorists they keep chosing as their leaders. It's the fault of the surrounding Muslim/Arab states that kicked these so-called refugees out of their countries, or refuses to let them in, and only givbes them enough money to prop up their corrupt governments. It's their own twisted culture in which their greatest goal is to send their children into Israel to murder and kill.

Of course, not all Palestinians are like that and feel very trapped in a hellish situation. I'd even hazard a guess that the majority really do want peace, etc. But their leaders are the ones who don't give a crap about them, and only want to either suck them dry or stir hatred against Israel, or both.

But waging this perpetual war against Israel isn't going to solve anything. They'd be much, much better off cooperating with Israel, which has a higher standard of living than all Muslim/Arab countries put together.

But that won't happen until they--and they alone--finally say "NO!" to the jihad.

I would appreciate anoth... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I would appreciate another person going back to the original French and confirming my read or tell me where I am wrong.

You got it right if my rusty French serves me. It seems to all come from one source, who the site calls "generally well-informed". YNet is stretching it quite a bit by saying "the editors claim" when it is the editors' single, unnamed source that is making claims, based on what we do not know.

Mantis has a good point tha... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Mantis has a good point that at this point we don't know whether the Is attack or Hez really killed the women/children. So it is premature at the very least to say that the Is attack killed the children. Given the Jenin experience, it is quite possible that the terrorists would do sth like that. Even mantis mentioned that this is a successful strategy for Hez in the PR war given the "world press" is mostly anti-Is and will be willing to offer the propaganda they intend to achieve. The consequence is that this will encourage the terrorists to use women/children as human shield in their asymmetrical warfare.

I agree the report should b... (Below threshold)
Adjoran:

I agree the report should be treated with a high degree of skepticism.

I only wish the initial claims by Hizbollah, and their obvious attempt to manipulate the media coverage of the event, had been met with a similar skepticism.

It's almost like the fMSM and the moonbat brigades just can't believe terrorists might LIE . . .

Johnny missspelled his last... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Johnny missspelled his last name I believe. Shouldn't it be spelled "cowardo"?

Wizbang is an outrage again... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Wizbang is an outrage against the concept of humanity, trying to cobble togethjer this horseshit story to absolve the Israeli crimws against humanity.

This cock-and-bull story is found nowhere except for the Israeli anus-sucking right blogsites, determined to put the best face forward on an Israeli crime against human beings.

This preposterous distortion of events is going nowhere.

The major problem: not even the IDF vids of rockets launched from a CROSSROADS supposedly in Cana come even close to showing what is alleged in this thread.

This kind of anti-human propaganda aided & abetted by Wizbang shows just how morally degenerate the Right is.

It's not an issue of human life; it's whatever god-awful distrorted slime view that you can put on the actions of a depraved nation.

In your over-eagerness to grab at any outrageous allegation, you show exactly that the valie of human life is the furthest principle from Wizbang philosophy.

You are MORALLY BANKRUPT!!!!!

Wow... mak is so outraged, ... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Wow... mak is so outraged, he's incoherent.

Well, more incoherent than usual, but can't even control himself enough to spell properly.

Someone get him a napkin; he's spitting all over his keyboard again.

Anyone checked to see if he's taken his meds?


J.

Jay, I think mak in... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jay,
I think mak inadvertently tell the truth that the liberal left simply spout the propaganda from the terrorists and ignored the contrary evidence. THe left didn't pick up the story that Gitmo guards were abused by the detainees either. This seems to be another example of the moral corruption of the left: giving maximum benefit to the depraved terrorists while none to the two of the most decent societies on earth right now. These people were willing to believe the 9/11 conspiracy, yet they are not willing to examine the possibility that the terrorists are just depraved enough to use women/children as human shields.

Jay TeaEnjo... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Jay Tea

Enjoy your snide remarks--it's not as if anyone ever made a few typos.

Appears that you have a hotwire to my postings or else you're glued to all threads on Wizbang allthe time.

What's up?-do you have my posts hotwired to see if I come even come close to crossing your line as you advised?

What this thread reflects, among many on Wizbang re Lebanon is the moral banktrupcy of the Right blogosphere when it comes to apologies for a nation that is waging collective punishment against a people in the hopes that it will turn that nation's people against the Hezbollah.

Just take a look at anything besides FOX News to see the handiwork against human beings that the terrorist state of Israel is waging.

What this thread reflects, ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

What this thread reflects, among many on Wizbang re Lebanon is the moral banktrupcy of the Right blogosphere when it comes to apologies for a nation that is waging collective punishment against a people in the hopes that it will turn that nation's people against the Hezbollah.
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This is a poor job of covering up the depravity of the Hez terrorists. IS is simply doing its best to protect its people. The Hez is hiding behind the Lebanese women/children as human shields to shell indiscriminately into Is cities (and to kill Is women/children).

That 's why I said if people like you are willing to form a human shield against people like Hez, then I can believe your rhetoric. Otherwise, it is simply a sick effort to make excuse for the most depraved terrorists.

Jay TeaBTW ... (Below threshold)
mak44:

Jay Tea

BTW In your over-eager effort to police my postings on this site, you never came close to addressing the abscence in the IDF vids played ad nauseum on the networks failing to show the remotest evidence for the preposterous insinuation on this thread.

Perhaps, if the IDF is as hotwired to the threads on Wizbang as you appear to be, they will concoct the necessary vid footage to make Wizbang look omniscient.

mak44, several people have ... (Below threshold)

mak44, several people have said the report should be viewed with skepticism. Do you have any skepticism whatsoever for any claim against Israel? Or do you just suck it all up?

Is it possible to be objective if you've already made up your mind?

Several things have been going on from the first, things that make a person wonder. Where DID that huge banner of Condi come from? Prepared ahead of time, maybe just in case, but certainly with forethought about the war of public opinion. How much does something like that cost? Why, Mak, did we see no men or *survivors* pulled from the rubble? And how many hours between the attack and the building collapsing? Did these people just stay there waiting for it to fall? Were they already dead or did they just need to wait for daylight so the media had time to arrive and light for good pictures?

Is it a case of fake but accurate? What is it, Mak. Tell me.

BTW In your over-eager effo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

BTW In your over-eager effort to police my postings on this site, you never came close to addressing the abscence in the IDF vids played ad nauseum on the networks failing to show the remotest evidence for the preposterous insinuation on this thread.
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Are you saying that most of the networks are simply repeating the terrorists' propaganda? Is that a surprise? CNN simply provided the medium for Hez propaganda as they did for Saddam Hussein. Why do you want to ignore the evidence that the terrorists are willing to kill their own women/children for propaganda purpose?

mak44, several people have ... (Below threshold)

mak44, several people have said the report should be viewed with skepticism. Do you have any skepticism whatsoever for any claim against Israel? Or do you just suck it all up?

Is it possible to be objective if you've already made up your mind?

Several things have been going on from the first, things that make a person wonder. Where DID that huge banner of Condi come from? Prepared ahead of time, maybe just in case, but certainly with forethought about the war of public opinion. How much does something like that cost? Why, Mak, did we see no men or *survivors* pulled from the rubble? And how many hours between the attack and the building collapsing? Did these people just stay there waiting for it to fall? Were they already dead or did they just need to wait for daylight so the media had time to arrive and light for good pictures?

Is it a case of fake but accurate? What is it, Mak. Tell me.

Appears that you have a ... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Appears that you have a hotwire to my postings or else you're glued to all threads on Wizbang allthe time.

It's called "subscribe to this comment thread." The little check box above the comment block. Really, really simple. Email comes in, shows you what was said, and lets you choose to respond or not.

mak, I sent you an e-mail r... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

mak, I sent you an e-mail recently informing you that I was getting sick and tired of your rantings and personal attacks -- not the ones on me, but on other commenters. And as Section Editor, I have ready access to all sorts of resources. It's only a few clicks to call up every single comment you've ever made -- a step just short of banning you entirely.

In this case, though, I just happened to find Kim's piece interesting, and thought I'd hop into the discussion. You might notice that I was answering "Johnny Bravo" long before you showed up.

Don't think you're more important than you are, mak. You're teetering on the edge of being denied your favorite targets of abuse, and being forced to shove the broom handle up your own ass.

J.

Screw it. mak44 is history.... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Screw it. mak44 is history. I shoulda done this AGES ago.

J.

When you stop and think abo... (Below threshold)
robert:

When you stop and think about it, this ranks fairly high on the shit-O-meter.

Whatever happened at Qana, the facts are in dispute, the terrorists have used civilians - even their own sons and daughters - as human bombs lots of times.

Al Capone never did that, nor did Charles Manson.

Jay Tea -Thank you... (Below threshold)

Jay Tea -

Thank you. Your patience with Mak44's been pretty amazing.

Robert -

I'm afraid what you said, that the terrorists have used women and children as human shields and bomb carriers in the past, makes it more likely that something exceedingly loathsome happened in Qana.

Casualties happen in war. And what I've seen as far as the reporting on the Israeli operations seems to show (IMHO) a regard for civilian life that is admirable. As far as Palestinian operations go - it looks to me like they're deliberately targeting civilians, and have in the past 'restricted' the movement of civilians to keep them from leaving a combat zone.

I don't understand why those bastards keep getting a damn pass while they expose their own people to danger and violate almost every provision in the Geneva accords regarding the protection of civilians, and the Israelis have to practically operate with a lawyer and a cameraman to prove they haven't committed atrocities.

Wow, mak is gone! Witch, W... (Below threshold)
epador:

Wow, mak is gone! Witch, Witch the ding dong's dead!

I read the French post as it currently reads, and paraphrased it says "A source that generally has things correct claims that HB produced this Qana tragedy. In the past, an artillery barrage from IDF was alleged to cause a "massacre" [that many including the "revered" journalist Fisk (google Qana and Fisk if you want the link) made infamous]. So they refer to this as Qana-2."

The real thing to note is that it is alleged to be no co-incidence that this event occurred in Qana.

And this allegation seems sadly all too plausible.

BTW, I guess its just as well I failed to provoke anyone on either side with my first post. I just think the irony that this seems likely a staged conspiracy vs the 9/11 nuts belief is a hard notion to avoid commenting on.

Damn, I forgot the most imp... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Damn, I forgot the most important part:

BLOOD FOR ODIN!!!!!!

J.

I'm afraid I have to disagr... (Below threshold)
cirby:

I'm afraid I have to disagree.

Considering the banee, it's more like:

LYMPH FOR LOKI!!!!!!

JLawson,Yeh, it is... (Below threshold)
robert:

JLawson,

Yeh, it is hard to figure.

CNN, BBC et. al., as I have before noted, seem happy to be played for chumps by Hezbollah, and their audience loves it too. Chumps all.

So they whore for ratings even at the expense of the USA, Israel and half the damn rest of the world.

Hard to figure.

mak44 was pretty much a was... (Below threshold)
Adjoran:

mak44 was pretty much a waste of bandwidth, but every moonbat that comes in here parroting the terrorist party line reinforces the notion that the Democrats can't be trusted with security issues as long as the far left informs their policy choices.

So long, mak44! I will drink a Cuba Libré in your honor when the word comes down on Fidel's passing.

:-P

Mak sounds like he would ha... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Mak sounds like he would have had fun running the ovens...

Adjoran, Listkeeper, I'm go... (Below threshold)

Adjoran, Listkeeper, I'm gonna ask (that's ASK -- absolutely no consequences if you ignore me) you and everyone else to stop talking about mak, especially slams. I'm doing this for a couple of reasons:

1) He cannot respond, so it's a little unfair.

2) It perpetuates his efforts at disrupting and skewing the discussions.

3) It'll make him feel more important than he actually is.

I've closed the door on that sordid chapter in our history; please don't keep it propped open.

Or feel free to tell me to pound sand and keep it up. I won't stop you, but I'd prefer if you didn't. If nothing else, consider it a favor.

J.

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Israel's Provocations

Since its withdrawal of occupation forces from southern Lebanon in May 2000, Israel has violated the United Nations-monitored "blue line" on an almost daily basis, according to UN reports.

Israel has terrorized the general population, destroyed private property, and killed numerous civilians.

Israel routinely takes Palestinians, Lebanese hostage and they still hold them. Hezbollah wants the Lebanese hostaes freed.

Hezbollah wants Israel to stop occupying the Shebaa Farms.

Aslo see this video: Lebanon Israel Facts the Media Isn't Telling You

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Lurking Observer:

This business w/ Shebaa Farms is just fascinating.

By the UN's own rulings, Shebaa Farms is considered Syrian territory. (Check out Wikipedia's entry on this.)

Syria has consistently considered Shebaa Farms its own territory. While it has verbally at times said that it was Lebanese territory, it has never done so in writing.

More to the point, the UN has certified that the Israelis complied with UN resolutions calling for its withdrawal from Lebanese territory, and has said that the Shebaa Farms issue is part of the Golan Heights issue, i.e., part of Israel-Syrian concerns, not Israel-Lebanese.

But it's a great play, giving Hizb'allah cover for its activities.

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The Listkeeper:

Msg received, Jay Tea.




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