Mmmmmm, "Mooremas" and it's only August.

Careful. Up here in Canada when our Liberal pary experimented with the moonbats we laughed and said they were destroying themselves. They were not, the moonbats took over and it was a long slog to get back as far as we are.

Heheh, what a self-righteous, melodramtic, cocky little son of a bitch he is.

And, after he concedes that the war was widely supported on it's inception, he still goes on to call it "Bush's War".

"The promised land". That's rich.

Will they bow at the alter...

I think you mean "altar". "Alter" is a verb, "altar" is a noun, a place of worship.

Castro isn't sick, he's in negotiations to run for President as a Democrat in '08.

Bob,

Thanks for pointing out my typo. It's fixed.

C'mon. You can't fool this old buzzard. That was ghostwritten for Moore by the master, Karl Rove.

How rich is it for him to use religious imagery? "They sided with Bush, and for that, they may never enter the promised land." Especially considering the current state of affairs with Israel being attacked by two terrorist groups.

"If you don't believe us, give Joe a call" and ask how you too can leave these batspit crazy nutballs behind and become an independent.

"and we will actively work to defeat each and every one of you who does not support an immediate end to this war." I gotta tell ya, it's going to be a damned tough task to accomplish this while running away considering the millions of unemployed jihadists that would fall under the heading of those 'that do not support an immediate end to this war'...just ask iran, hezbollah, hamas, syria, etc etc. Wake me up when he tells us how he's going to end a war by retreating from a foe that is only interested in global conquest and has shown the willingness and ability to strike on US soil...maybe he's investing heavily in moon rockets? Nice guy that Mr. Hitler, he says he's only interested in jobs in Iraq and restoring Arab pride...

"We'll take care of you this November."

Please, that's what he said two years ago! Remember his "two more months" gester at the RNC convention? Who is this "we" he speaks of? He had nothing to do with this primary, he's just taking credit for a huge mistake! Moore-on's!

Don't play "Taps" for the Democratic Party quite yet -- a portion of the electorate (the 50+ percent that aren't giving Bush a favorable approval rating) finds Democratic/liberal arguments persuasive.

That said ... I lean more center than left or right, and I am quite disturbed by the forces I see at work. Come 2008, I have a feeling my vote will be in play.

--|PW|--

Translation: we can't beat Republicans, so we're going to get more than a "moral victory" by defeating Democrats.

What we are seeing is the demise of the Democratic Party, as we know it. Lieberman’s Shift to Independent should be recognized as just the beginning or shift by many people disenfranchised by the extremists and wackos like Moore on the left. They (Moore, Kos, Dean) have no moral compass and many democrats recognize the ideology and values once associated with their party has been hijacked by hate.

Payback time started last night.

Does this mean Mckinney will actually get back in?

They sided with Bush, and for that, they may never enter the promised land.

Wow. When did this atheist start quoting bible verses?

Amazing. THey want to relive Viet Nam in every way - they desperately want to bring down Bush, just like Nixon, but they have apparently managed to forget what happened to George McGovern the last time the moonbats were in charge. Do they really not remember that defeat or are they whistling past their own graveyard?

Moore, MoveOn, and Kos Kids are systematically removing the liberal Jews from the Democratic Party. Token Joe (for prez) is out and now fatso wants to abandon Israel by leaving Iraq to radical Islam. Radical Islam is galvanized in the removal of Israel. Jews are not stupid. Add it up.

Anybody know the size of the Democrat's Jewish bloc vote?

Moore is successfully radicalizing the party. That will marginalize the party come election time. Thanks fatso.

As a conservative, I guess I should be happy at the cannibalism going on in the Democratic party right now, but actually I'm not. The more that they're being overrun by gibbering baboons like Lamont and Moore and Kos, etc., the less serious of a party they are, and the more they will lose and the more Republicans will get fat and lazy. This is Not Good.

A weak Democratic party will ultimately hurt the Republicans. We need a strong, sane, adult Democrat party -- to keep the GOP lean, mean, and in fighting shape. I want them to have to work for my vote, not assume they have it.

I hope that sanity will prevail among the Democrats.

Yo Lefty:

60 percent of Americans are in favor of winding down the war, and at least beginning the withdrawl of troops before the end of the year. The Democratic Party is officially the party of the American People, and good riddance to Lieberman and his ilk.

I hope you're not trying to say here that Michael Moore is not a complete dork, right? What the left does not need is another ignorant conspirist loudmouth making them (or "us," after a few beers) look stupid.

In my private apocalypse, MM will be locked into a trunk with Ann Coulter and shoved off a cliff.

The Dem. Party as a whole looks to be on it's last legs. The Marxists are gonna take the Party down. Karl Rove's double secret plan is finally showing some results. Don't try to fight it The Great and Powerful Rove will own you!!!

I do notice that the only people I ever hear linking or talking about Michael Moore are on the right. His influence among liberals seems very minimal to me, but I don't hang out at DU. Maybe they like his ridiculous rhetoric.

Don't jump to conclusions. A 60 percent disapproval rating for the war does not automatically mean a 60 percent approval rating for the Democrats. As a repubilcan, I could not influence the democratic candidate in 2004, and I was left with a choice between two poor candidates. I wanted to vote for Lieberman. In 2008, if the democrats choose their candidate on a "I'm not Bush" strategy, the choice will be no better. A word of advice to both parties, run someone who is a good candidate to be president, not just someone who is better than the other guy.

Good point OregonMuse...I agree.

astifaga:

In my private apocalypse, MM will be locked into a trunk with Ann Coulter and shoved off a cliff

Nah, it'd be more fun to watch them fight for awhile before we gave it a good shove.

Or, they may be so opposite that like matter and antimatter they explode when brought in contact with one another.

Lefty:

60 percent of Americans are in favor of winding down the war, and at least beginning the withdrawl of troops before the end of the year.

Do you have a link for that poll? I've never been able to understand how you ask a few thousand people what they think and the answers are used to characterize the other 297,000,000 people think.

I find it pretty ridiculous that all the posters in this thread refer to Moore and the Liberal left as whackos, as if those who continue to support Bush aren't just as radical on the Right. A presidency with a bunch of bible-thumpers as a base (in a country with a Constitution that clearly requires separation of church and state)? Please...You're all whackos!

But of course the real issue is that ALL politicians are inherently corrupt, and the fact that this country has become so incredibly divided on behalf of these power-hungry, egotistical, incompetent politicians, is not only sad...It's laughable.

The sooner we all realize that this government (no matter which party is in control) is doing nothing to help us, and everything to destroy us...the better. Only after we're able to completely buck the system as it currently exists will any morality, progress, efficiency, productivity and peace return to our democracy.

Wake up!!! Think!!!

Moonbat...what a funny word. Let's count hom many times these clever people can use it in a single thread. It just gets funnier.

mantis
I do notice that the only people I ever hear linking or talking about Michael Moore are on the right. His influence among liberals seems very minimal to me,
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If that were true, I am surprised that Moore was seated next to Carter at the 2004 Democratic convention center. And major politicians like Dashle etc.. showed up and embraced his propagandistic movie. He was welcomed as a hero at big European film festivals (by the liberal leftists there). Moore 's view is standard at DailyKos and the nutroots that helped defeat Lieberman in CT primary.

So angry - and so willing to pump out your chests and scream, "Yeaahh, I'm behind my President!". Go on. Continue to believe a president who lies to you daily and keeps you shivering in your boots by telling you how the terrorists are coming to get you.

If there's one thing the conservative right (yes, you big talkers) can unite behind it's your all consuming cowardly fear of an attack and your williingness to submit to any infringement of your rights (or freedoms) so that big daddy bush can protect you.

I was in the city during September 11th. I actually saw right in front of me what a terrorist attack on our soil looks like. Am I so afraid of another that I'm willing to keep my opinions quiet and allow all the freedoms we fight for be taken away for some perceived sense of "security?" Get real. We can preserve what is right and good about this country and still fight people who are against us. When you're "too afraid" and willing to let these freedoms be overrun, as Ben Franklin said, "Those who will trade freedom for security deserve neither."

Get off your pussy asses, stop wimpering and stand up for your friggin country, if you people still remember what this country is supposed to be.

Grumper,
A presidency with a bunch of bible-thumpers as a base (in a country with a Constitution that clearly requires separation of church and state)? Please...You're all whackos!

Is that the mysterious 'religious right' you're referring to, Grumper? Ann Coulter wants to know.

Stan,
it's your all consuming cowardly fear of an attack

If you saw the towers come down, why don't you recognize that we have already been attacked or was that a Bush conspiracy? Hello? Anybody home?

To poster Stan:

You hit it right on nose, my friend. These conservatives are cowardly little children who will sacrifice everything out of this blinding fear.

I have a cousin in California who is a complete right winger and after speaking to his wife found out he's so afraid of a terrorist attack he won't fly. won't even get close to the airport anymore. He wouldn't admit that, though. Every argument with me ends with him screaming, "What, are you a communist?"

So many people around the country have been lulled into this continuing psychological terrorism by a guy they call President. Too bad there aren't enough "real men" in this country who think right to privacy, separation of church and state and accountability are worth standing firm for. And as far as Michael Moore is concerned? More power to him for speaking his mind. It's his right as long as this is a free country and anyone who challenges that right, well, THEIR communists!

Stan:

I was in the city during September 11th. I actually saw right in front of me what a terrorist attack on our soil looks like. Am I so afraid of another that I'm willing to keep my opinions quiet and allow all the freedoms we fight for be taken away for some perceived sense of "security?"

I was too. Ten blocks North of the Trade Centers.

Exactly what freedoms did you have then that you do not have now? I hear this often, this police state, these rights that are being trampled.

No one is asking you to not have an opinion, and opinions are not being stifled. If they were, you wouldn't have been able to post your ridiculous comment.

That was a nice attempt at a turn around, labeling those who would fight the terrorists as cowards instead of those who would run away from them. That must take an impressive amount of irredeemably skewed logic to make youself believe.

My advice to you is this, Stan:

Get off your pussy ass, stop wimpering and stand up for your friggin country, if you still remember what this country is supposed to be.

Josh,
Moonbat...what a funny word. Let's count hom many times these clever people can use it in a single thread. It just gets funnier.

The kids are playing over at Kos. Here's a new big word to use to describe yourself and to take home to mommy: Carbuncle.

"If you saw the towers come down, why don't you recognize that we have already been attacked or was that a Bush conspiracy? Hello? Anybody home?"

Hey Red Fog,

I know it's a stretch, but try actually "understanding" what others write. How you can make the moronic leap from my unwillingness to let fear take over my life - despite having seen an attack right in front of me - to me, somehow, what is it? Believing in a "Bush conspiracy?" Are you dense? Let me put it in simple terms for a simple man - I am not going to subvert my freedoms out of fear. I am not afraid of another attack, and, even if I were, I wouldn't be crapping in my pants and willing to let my government do whatever they want.

There is something in this country worth fighting for - it's the constitution. Go read it. It's what is great about America. When it's gone, all is lost.

I hope you're not trying to say here that Michael Moore is not a complete dork, right?

Moore is entitled to his opinion. My opinion of Moore is that he's a slobbering egomaniac. He does not represent the Democratic party, although it is clearly on the right wing agenda to paint Moore as representative.

He's as representative of the left as Pat Robertson is of the right. Adult voters know this, but that leaves a large number of conservatives blabbering in the wind.

The poll showing 60 percent in favor of beginning withdraw of troops in Iraq by year end is all over the news, for example

news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060809/pl_nm/iraq_usa_poll_dc_3

Melissa:

You hit it right on nose, my friend. These conservatives are cowardly little children who will sacrifice everything out of this blinding fear.

I love the occasional influx of paranoid schizophrenia that Wizbang gets. It's kind of like getting a visit from a friend in a mental ward as opposed to having to go there.

Melissa, when I feel a sense of blinding fear, I'll let you know.

Stan, the conservatives repeat their lies and mantras in order to comfort themselves in front of the resounding defeat they face in the polls in November.

I picture them sitting crosslegged in front of the TV with Fox News blaring -- fingering their prayer beads and rocking back and forth, repeating "Michael Moore is a bad man", "Barbara Boxer is a bad woman", "Ned Lamont is a bad man", "Nancy Pelosi is a bad woman" over and over again, the same way Islamofacists chant and repeat their prayers for salvation.

"A weak Democratic party will ultimately hurt the Republicans. We need a strong, sane, adult Democrat party -- to keep the GOP lean, mean, and in fighting shape. I want them to have to work for my vote, not assume they have it."

Why not a new party to replace the Dems? We thought the next legitimate party was going to be a new center right party, but then the Republicans stiffened up a bit (a tiny bit, before they learned to like spending money like drunken Democrats and pander to special interests with the skill of Jesse Jackson) so maybe it will be a center left party...I can easily see Joe attracting people like Zell, etc. It could happen. Pat Robertson or someone could have seized the Republican party (forcing moderates to a new center right party), but he was nudged off to the side. The question is- will the Democrats nudge the fat liar out of the big top or put him in the center ring with a megaphone? Which Democratic party will survive? The one that denied Mckinney another trip to fantasyland or the one that voted against a strong-on-defense-and-stronger-on-every-other-Democratic-position Joe for a guy supported by people that use racist and Nazi imagery and slurs against their jewish opponent? I'd say Democrats have a choice to make. If nothing else, it shows there isn't a shred of anything resembling unanimity in the party.