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New Al Qaeda Tape Tells Americans to Convert to Islam

***Updated***

Ayman al Zawahiri is at it again. This time he uses Azzam the American, a.k.a. Adam Gadahn, an Islam convert, as his messenger. The tape says Americans need to convert to Islam or suffer the consequences:

Al Qaeda called on non-Muslims especially in the United States to convert to Islam and abandon their 'misguided' ways or else suffer, according to a video tape posted on a Web site on Saturday.


The speaker was identified as Azzam the American, also known as Adam Yahiye Gadahn -- an Islamic convert from California wanted for questioning by the FBI and who U.S. authorities believe to be involved in an information campaign for al Qaeda.

"To Americans and the rest of Christendom we say, either repent (your) misguided ways and enter into the light of truth or keep your poison to yourself and suffer the consequences in this world and the next," Gadahn said in English.

He appeared in the video dressed in a white turban and seated in front of a computer and books.

Al Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawhari made a brief statement at the beginning of the tape -- dated September 2006 -- urging viewers to listen carefully to the message, entitled: "An Invitation to Islam".

With only nine days until the fifth anniversary of 9/11, it's no surprise that we'd hear something from al Qaeda although I assumed Bin Laden would have delivered the message. But there's still time; Bin Laden still may pop his head out of the cave in which he's hiding.

Update: ABC News runs with the very PC headline "New al Qaeda Video Invites Americans to Convert to Islam." Right. Al Qaeda is inviting us to join Islam.

Here's ABC's report:

In an apparent Sept. 11 communiqué broadcast on ABC News, an al Qaeda operative threatens new attacks against cities in the U.S. and Australia.


"Yesterday, London and Madrid. Tomorrow, Los Angeles and Melbourne, Allah willing. And this time, don't count on us demonstrating restraint or compassion," the tape warns. "We are Muslims. We love peace, but peace on our terms, peace as laid down by Islam, not the so-called peace of occupiers and dictators."

Sorry folks, but the quote above is from an old ABC News story. The link is correct, though.

Michelle Malkin has transcribed some of the video:

"Islam is the only religion acceptable to God and came with the revealed book, the Koran, which abrogates all previous revelations, like the Torah and Evangel... God recognizes no separation between religion and state."


"To Americans and the rest of Christendom we say, either repent (your) misguided ways and enter into the light of truth or keep your poison to yourself and suffer the consequences in this world and the next..."

"If the Zionist crusader missionaries of hate and counter-Islam consultants like Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Michael Scheuer, Steven Emerson, and yes, even the crusader-in-chief George W. Bush were to abandon their unbelief and repent and enter into the light of Islam and turn their swords against the enemies of God, it would be accepted of them and they would be our brothers in Islam. And we send a special invitation to all of you fighting Bush's crusader pipe dream in Afghanistan, Iraq, and wherever else W. has sent you to die."

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't wait to wear a burqa and be only a shadow of my former self and be treated like chattel.

Sure, that sounds really inviting.

Update II: Isn't it ironic. The day al Qaeda issues a new tape urging Americans to convert to Islam or else, we hear President Bush is backing off of the term Islamic Fascism out of respect to Muslim groups.

Update III: Laura Mansfield has the video.

Update IV: John at Power Line provides very interesting comments about Islamofascism of today and the Bolshevik movement in the early 20th century:

Someone--if I could remember who, I'd credit him--wrote recently that the Islamic terrorism we are now experiencing is analogous to the Bolshevik and anarchist terrorism of the early years of the 20th century. If that's true, we have a long road ahead of us. Europe will very likely succumb to Islam in the years to come, for reasons of demography and spiritual and intellectual exhaustion. But Americans are no more interested in converting to Islam than they were in adopting socialism. And Americans not only are more stubborn about such things than Europeans, they are also better at reproducing.

Damn straight! Especially about the reproducing.


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Comments (80)

Yep, fundamentalism is very... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Yep, fundamentalism is very scary.

http://movies.aol.com/movie/jesus-camp/27214/trailer

Why would one ever wish to ... (Below threshold)

Why would one ever wish to convert to a dead-end religion like Islam? There's no salvation because there has never been a "savior or redeemer". There's no repentence for, and forgiveness of sins. There's no relationship with the nebulous and mysterious "Allah".

With Jesus Christ, I get forgiveness and redemption. With Jesus Christ, I can talk and pray and commune with my Redeemer and my Saviour.
With Jesus Christ, I have an advocate with the Father of all Creation.
With Jesus Christ, I have everlasting life.
With Jesus Christ, I have a true Peace that passes all understanding.
With Jesus Christ, I have his Spirit living within Me to keep me honest and humble, to keep my feet on the straight and narrow.

With Allah, I have no Peace, No Everlasting Life, No walk with my Creator and most of all, no forgiveness of my wretched sins...well, except were I to kill a non-Muslim in martyrdom.

Which is why I ask...why on God's green earth would any sane, rational human being choose Islam? To have one wife is enough, let alone 72 virgins!!! Sheesh, and you thought a 4-hour erection was bad...???, isn't having an eternal erection worse than what Viagra will do to you? I mean...goodNESS!

Which version of Islam to t... (Below threshold)
just_zis_guy_see:

Which version of Islam to they want us to convert to?

There is Islam, the religion of peace, which directs us to 'build a world of peace on earth so that you may be granted peace in your eternal life in the hereafter'. According to Islam, the three basic elements of building a peace culture are: Compassion, Forgiveness and Respect for all.

Or do they mean the odd version the tape makers have been promoting where one shouts 'God is greatest!' over and over while sawing the head off of someone they don't care for?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NickBergandFiveMen.JPG

Allah is an IDOL. Muslims a... (Below threshold)
ed:

Allah is an IDOL. Muslims are of the spirit of the anti christ. I pray for them. Most of the rad muslims are filled with hate. True Christians even love their enemmies. But if you keep backing a true Cgristian into the corner, we have Christ in us, with true courage, we will fight when appropriate. Dont underestimate us you coward who wear hoods and hind behind masks. What are you afraid of....rad muslims are cowards.

I just read your article on... (Below threshold)
robert chapman:

I just read your article on Mr. al-Zawahari's call for Americans to convert to Islam.

I would love to engage him or a surrogate in a dialogue regarding our respective religions and value systems.

It seems patently obvious to me that the future oriented, tolerant and dynamic Christianity practiced in this country is vastly preferable to the obscurantist, medieval and murderous form of Islam he espouses.

If you can in anyway mediate such a dialog, please contact me.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

True Christians even love t... (Below threshold)
robert chapman:

True Christians even love their enemmies. But if you keep backing a true Cgristian into the corner, we have Christ in us, with true courage, we will fight when appropriate.

Obviously true Christians are not people who believe in Christ's commands that when struck, turn the other cheek, when an enemy takes your coat, give him your shirt as well, when the occupier impresses you to carry his panalopy for a mile, carry it for two.

Obviously, true Christians just see Jesus as a bigger dog in the cosmic battle of human sinfulness and greed.

Clearly the belief in the transforming power of Christ's Grace to intercede, change hearts and allow us to become peace-makers in all conflicts is not part of TRUE CHRISTIANITY.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, New York

Hey Adam Gadahn and fellow ... (Below threshold)

Hey Adam Gadahn and fellow Followers Of Darkness: We suggest YOU convert to Christianity so when we kill you, you will have somewhere pleasant to go.
Just kidding. Really.

Our God is stronger than yo... (Below threshold)
ed:

Our God is stronger than your God, the proof is, America is a Christian Nation, (count the churches in each city, count the mosques?) live in denial, but we are a Christ-ian nation. We will kick the tar out of all of the muslim nations combined, if backed into a corner, if we have to. Don't test us cowardly masked punk. Our God is mighty, yours is a weak demon idol, bring it on.

C'mon to my hood and burn a flag.

Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God the Father. Alah is an Idol.

The truth hurts.

Robert, If they have their ... (Below threshold)
ed:

Robert, If they have their way, you and your family would be dead. You are correct, I need to let the Lord give me the power to be a peacemaker.

I would share Christ with Osahma, but would stop him with all of my might from harming the innocent.

There is a balance between love and being a wimp.

Christ warned religous bullies, so should we.

I just wanted to say that w... (Below threshold)
Guy:

I just wanted to say that when call Allah an idol you are wrong. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. The Muslim God is the same Christian God you pray to. Jesus is an important figure in Islam just as it is in Christianity...Muslims just think of him as a Messenger of God and not his son. In reality these people that they show on videotapes and on the news are the most extrem psychos you can find and do not actually represent the majority of muslims. That would be liek saying the KKK represents all of Christianity, which it doesn't. I am a Musslim person and I think that this group adn their ideology is ridiculous. As Muslims you are supposed to be tolerate of other religions, the basic concept is that if you beleive in one god and his book then we are all followers together, ending in the same place after death. Don't be hateful towards others because of what you hear on these tapes...those idiots you see running down the streets yelling God is great are just uneducated ignorant people, and all religions have them.

I withhold judgment till th... (Below threshold)
Skeptical:

I withhold judgment till this tape is verified to be authentic.

well well where do we all ... (Below threshold)

well well where do we all go from here?

there is an old toltec saying that we all our each others keepers.....when we look for differences we find many....when we search from within for sameness it is there too.

christian muslim hindu buddist agnostic pagan

some where back in time we all had the same parents and there can be only one creator

choose the the road less traveled.....

Allah is not the God and Fa... (Below threshold)
ed:

Allah is not the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ my friend. Allah the God of islam, not the same as the God of the Bible.

The Bible says, There is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ, it says..not everyone knows this.

Also this whole thing about... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Also this whole thing about suiciding bombing and 72 virgins is a myth...If a muslim person commits suicide in anyway they go straight to hell, there is no good side there. Also the larger Muslim nations don't actually have any quarrels with the U.S, place like malaysia and indonesia contain the majority of muslims worldwide.

Yes it is, we both beleive ... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Yes it is, we both beleive in the same God and we both beleive in Jesus. The Lord = God = Allah...once again Allah is just the Arabic word for God
The Son = Jesus = Prophet to Muslims
The Holy Ghost = Angels = Which also exist in Islam

Toledo, you are correct. If... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Toledo, you are correct. If you are a Christian and beleive in Creationism, which Muslims also beleive in. Then we are all descendants of these same people. All religions and all people are the same. It is the people who created this division of religion, not God. Muslims, Jews, and Christians all beleive in the same God. It is just people who manipulate and interpret the teachings in their owns ways that will work for their own benifit. Why do you think we have Protestants and Catholics, Sunnis and Shia's, Zionist Jews and Orthodox Jews.

Hebrews Chapter 1: For to w... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hebrews Chapter 1: For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"[c]? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him."[d] 7In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire."[e] 8But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,

The Holy Spirit=God
Angels=Angelic Beings
Man=Humans

each is their own kind, you are mistaken my friend. Please bear with my bluntness. Time is short.

The world is wacked out. I... (Below threshold)
Thor-Zone:

The world is wacked out. I am suffering from Islam fatigue. When will the west get with it and fix this problem.

The Muslims are really beginning to piss me off.

Ed,do you have any... (Below threshold)

Ed,

do you have any friends who are qakers or amish?

These sects are christian BUT take a stand on war and self defense that would of saved thousands during the crusades.

I am certain that if you look into the old testemant that GOD allowd certain death and destruction for HIS purpose and not mans.

We are all blood brothers dear Ed this is just science here. one man one woman started the whole thing....call Him adam or call him the missing link we know there must have been a first...

we are all going to die, so we all have more in commaon the we do ever care to admit....I mean when BONO is spending the remainder of his life helping the poor aids victims, we can all do a little each day to connect instead of sepaerate

there is a big difference between organized religion and a personal relationship with the eternal creator....

its a big universe ED please dont shut your mind to those who are the same but dont know it yet...

Isn't it The Lord, The Son,... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Isn't it The Lord, The Son, and Teh Holy Spirit? If i am wrong then I apologize, we taught that in school that in Christianity it was The Lord, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Anyways what I am just trying to say here Ed, and anyone else that on the whole, as a majority Muslim people do NOT hate the West nor do we Hate Christianity or any other religion for that matter. In our day to day lives you regular, everyday Muslim is just the same as your regular everyday Christian. It is just unfortunate that were are all being painted with teh same brush as the Al-Qaida idiots. Not all Muslims are al-qaida or terrorists, we are regular people like you.

Asama has received criticis... (Below threshold)
Leon:

Asama has received criticism from his Egyptian advisory for not extending an invitation to convert to Islam. Such an invitation is required by the Quran before killing you or your wife or your children. Just to let you know the connection. The President of Iran has also invited George Bush to convert in a formal 18 page letter. I suppose everyone on this thread knows of the invitation. Well?

Both religions emphasize pe... (Below threshold)
Pete:

Both religions emphasize peace, love and compassion while 90% of what I hear these days is hatred and violence. Threats and violence are no way to spread faith. According to the scriptures Abraham is the true father of all three major religions. everyone gets so caught up in interpreting scripture that we refuse to live by the most important values. Both sides are plauged by ignorance. Ignorance of history, philosphy and even the real roots of their own faith. Christ's life was an example set for all men about showing compassion and understanding for all and working peacefully to better the lives of others. Islam teaches the same lessons. There are extremists on BOTH sides of equal ignorance and fascist intent. I've been told by a muslim scholar that the ancient word for virgins was the similar or the same as the word for a delicous kind of date. All of these ancient technicalities have been subject to manipulation by translation and interpretation and to assume either the qur'an or the bible is absolute truth is foolish. According to the scriptures Abraham is the true father of all three major religions.

Fundamentalist Christians a... (Below threshold)
Genghis:

Fundamentalist Christians are just as bad as fundamentalist Muslims. Left alone, you all want the same thing, which is to have everyone else change to your religion. This is why separation of church and state is so valuable. It keeps fundamentalism at bay.

The problem is not one religion or the other, it is all of them. You all think that your religion is the only right one, but if you were born in the other's country, you'd believe the same crap as them.

Of course, it's really not about belief at all. You BELONG to your religion. You believe what you're told to believe and most of you don't even know what that is, aside from knowing that you believe in God or Allah or Jesus.

You think that the Bible or Christianity is any more peaceful than Islam? Would Jesus have invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of people based on a bunch of lies? And yet, George Bush the Christian, did just that.

Just so you guys know, they... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Just so you guys know, they are only forcing them to "convert", so that in thier minds it legitimizes killing them. But in actuality it doesnt. These "invitations" to Islam are ridiculous, it is just radicals interpreting and manipulating things to create their own ideologies.

Thank You Pete and Genghis.... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Thank You Pete and Genghis.

Friends, I know I come on t... (Below threshold)
ed:

Friends, I know I come on to strong at times, I'm open minded, but I have convictions. I do not hate any humans. I hate evil. I love and wish the best for all. My point is, if someone is trying to destroy a FREE life style, we cannot let them.

The ones who kill are the ones who are wrong. I never ever considered killing anyone. I'm tired of rad muslims preaching and practicing murder. Because I'm weary of the and will defend freedom if I have to, doesnt mean I have to keep my point of view silent.

I beleve the Bible, I love God/Christ and I love people. As diificult as the truth can be, how do explain the clarity and simplicity of the below passage.

May the Lord open all of our hearts and minds.

Have a great day, bless you all.

2 JOHN 1:7-10

7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

thanks guysthanks ... (Below threshold)

thanks guys

thanks you Pete WONDERFUL....

Ed, we all feel the same wa... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Ed, we all feel the same way. These people are not only trying to change Christians in teh West but also Muslims in the West. Muslims living in North American in some caes are put in the same group as the "infidels". In 9/11 do you think they cared if Muslims died? No they didn't. In Iraq and Iran you had muslims killing muslims in millions? This isn't a figth about religion it is just a shameless pissing contest for power.

It must be my haloscan, thi... (Below threshold)

It must be my haloscan, this is twice that my trackbacks to you will not come through. It says it is closed...humm

Have a great weekend.

Linked you in my post:
http://suzieviews.blogspot.com/2006/09/al-qaeda-zawahiriconvert-to-islam-or.html

Guy,You are a tole... (Below threshold)
ed:

Guy,

You are a tolerant and gracious person. I hear you loud and clear. It just grieves me to the core to see people hate people.

I dont take this for granted, all of us sharing our respective opinions.

Some don't want that

Guy, you're partially wrong... (Below threshold)

Guy, you're partially wrong. It depends on which form of "Christianity" you are referring to. Just as Islam has different paths of belief (e.g. Shia's vs Sunnis), there are literally hundreds of different denominations of Christianity. The original Christianity as it was formed is mostly found in the orthodox denominations, while Catholicism is the most widely adhered to religion in the Christian world, which is probably where you're getting your Father, Son, Holy Spirit. However in Catholicism (with a big C), they are all one in the same, hence the mystery. Father is seperate from the son is seperate from the Holy Spirit, and yet they are all the same entity.
Other Christian denominations split from Catholicism during the reformation in the middle ages because of this, hence why many Christians do not believe they are all the same entity, and still others believe in predestination (God already knows who is saved and who isn't), others believe Jesus visited the Americas (Mormons), and others follow Catholic dogma, except for things like divorce (Anglic/Episcopal)

Bear in mind I'm not equating the feuds the Islamic sects have with each other than the feuds Christian sects have with each other, Christian sects haven't gone to war over their beliefs in half a millenia (or longer), while Islamic sects still go at it. However, those are most likely tribal differences than they are religious differences. Christian sects on the other hand have learned to peacefully coexist (well peaceful to the point of everyone trying to convert each other in a peaceful way).

Thanks Henry, thats the pro... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Thanks Henry, thats the problem with college education these days, they will only teach you want they want to and leave the rest out of the textbooks. It is sad to see that they are actually still fighting like that. It is mostly tribal stuff to, and unfortunatly I dont think they are not anywhere close to wanting to settle things with peace. that is one thing where for some reason we sstill apparently want to "kick it old school". That is one of the major reasons why alot of Muslims and Christians alike emigrated from Lebanon to North America, my family included, the lines are drwan very deep over their.

Thanks Ed, I think it is gr... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Thanks Ed, I think it is great how people from all over can simply talk peacfully, mind you it is over a virtual network, over the issues. Bottom line is no matter what your religion we all should follow the same basic principles of life. Their are alays going to be those that sit outside the norm of society and want to disrupt it, maybe that is just Gods will to test us everyday. Why else would he put our holy places in the same place?

"Clearly the belief in the ... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

"Clearly the belief in the transforming power of Christ's Grace to intercede, change hearts and allow us to become peace-makers in all conflicts is not part of TRUE CHRISTIANITY."

Robert Chapman
Lansing, New York

Yeah but it sure helps to mobilize the flock and keep your approval ratings from ever dropping below 33%

Guy, can you leave Islam if... (Below threshold)
Moon6:

Guy, can you leave Islam if you want to? Can you cease being a Muslim? Will anything happen to you?

To be honest with you, I do... (Below threshold)
Guy:

To be honest with you, I do not really know what would happen. But if I left Islam, I think it would be like turning my back on God. I can leave Islam yes, and convert to Christianity or Judism. The basic ideology behind Islam is beleiveing in that their is only one God, so I guess if I left to Christianity or Judism, I would still be beleiving in teh beleif of only one God. So if religion is true I should be fine in teh afterlife, as all three religions carry the same basic understanding of God and the afterlife. But Personnally I would not leave Islam, the teachings of True Islam and True Christianity are the same. If we followed our religions in the way that Jesus and Mohammed told us to then we would be one the same.

I agree that fundamental Ch... (Below threshold)
cate s.:

I agree that fundamental Christians are scary but they're not going around lopping off heads either.

No their not, and good for ... (Below threshold)
Guy:

No their not, and good for them. Unfortunatly these wackos seem to think that still works!

I call on all Muslims to co... (Below threshold)
Bob Jones:

I call on all Muslims to convert to Christ and condemn terrorist actions.

Should I hold my breath? Nope. Ain't gonna happen.

muslim terrorists only understand FORCE, overwhelming FORCE. That's how they have spread the cancer I call islam...

This loser on the tape can FOAD and come to Texas and bring it on. Sheesh! What a dickhead.

Did you read any of the abo... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Did you read any of the above comments before you decided to post your generic, ignorant response? No probably not, no stop spreading the Texan RedNeck Stereotype and read, and listen before you just blab and yell.

Guy, thank you for your ans... (Below threshold)
Moon6:

Guy, thank you for your answer. While I certainly understand that you do not wish to leave Islam, I am actually thinking about the stories I have read that leaving Islam is punishable by death. (By other Muslims).

This appears to be enforced in certain Muslim countries. I can probably dig up some links if necessary.

Is this true? Is so, do you believe it is right?

I don't know where you live (nor do I need to) but if you chose to leave Islam would your fellow Musilms leave you be?

Fundamentalist christians a... (Below threshold)
gozorak:

Fundamentalist christians are not scary. There is nothing scary about them. They have no where near the politcal power they once had and even then it was fairly limited. Think about it..it easier for me to get access to porn than ever before and Fundamentlist Christians hate sex and porn more than anything., So much for their power. I think some of their beliefs are out there and perhaps a tad bit intolerant for my tastes but when was the last time you saw a beheading on the 700 club or Jerry Falwell leading his congregation through the sreets of Lynchburg burning and destroying his own city because of insults made to Christianity? Never.

and I am tired of all this ... (Below threshold)
gozorak:

and I am tired of all this politically correct hypocrisy out of the left. They are so viscious and even down right libelous in their attacks on the christian right but when was the last time you ever heard them lay into, I mean really lay into the most intolerant of all..the Islamists? I just want to see an outspoken celebrity, the kind who think they are so brave when calling Bush a fascist, to just look in the camera once...just once..and flip the bird at the lense while telling Islam to go F itself

Have you been busy from con... (Below threshold)
todd:

Have you been busy from converting to Islam and just want to get away? Then come to this fall's burqa fashion show where you can relax and take in all the new styles!

Regarding the warning issue... (Below threshold)
Ric:

Regarding the warning issued - go read your history and you will see that this is the offer presented to a communitiy, city, or country before Muslim warriors lay seige. The consequences being spoken about are death or dhimmitude.

Historically, the offer is only presented to Jews and Christians (people of the Book). If you aren't a Jew or a Christian, guess which one of the two choices above are offered? Nope, you don't even get a chance to be a slave.

It has become quite clear that the government, whether liberal or conservative, is only out to save their own hides at our expense.

I'm a Christian, but won't be converting. I am not willing to submit to slavery, but will fight them like a son of a gun.

... (Below threshold)
Davidlin:


NUTS

Hey there Ric, you should g... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Hey there Ric, you should go back and double check your history books, if you look closely you will see that during the Crusades, the Christian Army did the exact same thing to Muslims and Jews, it was either convert or die. All religions do the same thing, except for some reason al-qaida thinks they can have their own crusades in 2006. And do you really think that these al-qaida terrorist are going to be going into Europe in drowns putting guns to peoples heads? No, if that were to actually happen it would be a grand failure of society, which would be our own faults and teh faults of our governments. They also liek to say they will coordinate attakcs again, similar to 9/11, they simply can not. They do have the money to do it yes, but they are unable to coordinate and carry-out that typ of attack on that level again. Al-Qaida isnt an actual group, they just share a common interest and work off each other, and Osama will just simply give them teh money to do so.

Moon6, some countries do pu... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Moon6, some countries do punish leaving Islam by death, Afghanistan most recently I beleive had someone on trial for it. I do not beleive that this is true to Islam but something was pushed into practice by tribal units over a 1000 years ago. It is not something that I agree with nor do I think most Muslims beleive in it. I personnaly do not agree with it at all. If one doesn't follow the religion that is their problem, butthey shouldn't die. As for being left behind from the community that is tough. I live in Canada, so if I decided to not be a Muslim I would probably be fine, but I would be Ostrasized from teh community. If I was in Lebanon, same thing. I think countries where this more common is in the Persian areas(Afghanistan, Uzebekistan, Kazakstan). Now you might say what about Saudi Arabia?, this country is considered by most Muslims as being the biggest cancer on our religion. Mainly becasue they play both sides, they like to say they are the most conservative Muslims but yet they put their greed before their religion. They are more then happy to sell their oil to the US and then give the money back to them just so that the US can give that money to Isreal. In basics they are part of our problem, they are really the only country who can help solve this problem that we are having today.

I think the best solution i... (Below threshold)
Jonah:

I think the best solution is that we need to send ourselves back a few hundred years. Things were a bit better then. With no technology to show us clearly what is going on in other parts of the world too much, there's not this insane jealousy that is spreading through the world. Human greed is driving much of this--if you see something you can't have you are going to try to either obtain it or undermine it. And the encroachment of the West on other places is ruining those places...no wonder why there's upset people. You simply cannot judge people with your own cultural goggles on. It is too difficult.

Let's face it, some American values aren't the best ones. Riding on the backs of people who can barely afford to survive so others can afford a better lifestyle? (Example: health care or minimum wage)

And convert to Islam? Probably not. Convert to Christianity? Probably not. They've both got major problems.

Especially the fact that it seems most Christians in America are guilty of bending the religion to how they see fit as well. Many Christian people claim, upon the death of a loved one, he is with Jesus/God now. Much happier and enjoying the fruits of Heaven. Oh really? Hath ye forgotten then phrase REST in peace. Do not the dead lie in an unconscious sleep that exists mere moments to their minds until the Resurrection? Most can't wait to be reunited with those they love in Heaven and yet, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan 12: 2). So why is it that so many Christians say stuff about being immediately in Heaven? Is it projection of that "instant" that it feels like for the person who has died? Or for comfort?

And what's up with the idea of being a happy family again and getting to live forever w/your wife/husband/brother/father/mother etc very similarly to how you did on Earth? "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.... For there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest" (Ecl. 9:5,6,10). Do they wake up upon their resurrection and suddenly remember their past life upon Earth and their Earthly families and just meet up? And what happens if a beloved family member winds up in Hell and another in Heaven? Would not that be pain IN Heaven?

"But man dies and is laid low; he breathes his last and is no more. As water disappears from the sea or a riverbed becomes parched and dry, so man lies down and does not rise; till the heavens are no more, men will not awake or be roused from their sleep" (Job 14: 10-12). Maybe something like this is why the Islamic radicals are so hot to get some destruction happening. They feel the sooner the Earth is gone and no more, the sooner they get to wake up in the Afterlife and enjoy the place that is Paradise?

Anyways, yeah, mainstream religion is not really too great, imo. "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD" (Jer 17: 5). This is why organised Christianity may not be the best thing. Christians of America are being deceived from their true religion.

After hearing about this, I... (Below threshold)
Bill:

After hearing about this, I'd like to cut off Adam Gadahn's testicles and shove them down his throat. May he achieve martyrdom soon.

Thanks to everyone on this ... (Below threshold)

Thanks to everyone on this thread. We are having really informative and thought-provoking conversation. I appreciate everyone being respectful of each other's opinions.

"You think that the Bible o... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

"You think that the Bible or Christianity is any more peaceful than Islam? Would Jesus have invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of people based on a bunch of lies? And yet, George Bush the Christian, did just that."

I take it then that you think Jesus would support the mass killings done by Saddam Hussein?

BTW, we have not killed hundreds of thousands of people and you darn well know it. This is just another one of the liberal's mantra. However, Saddam killed hundreds of thousands while he was in power. Perhaps you just got confused.

============================================

I quickly scanned thru the comments so if this point has already been made, I apologize:

Christianity is different because it is not a religion. It is a RELATIONSHIP between humans and Jesus Christ. All other religions are man's attempt to reach God (thru good works, however defined). Christianity is God reaching down to man in the person of Jesus Christ and offering us salvation thru his death and resurrection.

That's what seperates Christians from Muslims and anyone who thinks the two are basically the same at it's core just don't know what they are talking about.

As someone noted above, Jerry Farewell isn't going around beheading people or forcing them to convert at the point of a gun.

Well, all I have to say is.... (Below threshold)
Bill M:

Well, all I have to say is.....

BLOOD FOR ODIN!!!!!

Guy, thanks for the respons... (Below threshold)
Moon6:

Guy, thanks for the response. I am glad to hear that death for leaving Islam is not generally accepeted in Canada!

I was curious enough to do some other research and discovered that you are right, the Koran does not specifically suggest death for apostasy...it is the Hadith which recommends death, so presumably that does not carry as much weight with a modern Islamic society.

I don't understand this statement you made regarding the Saudis at all:

They are more then happy to sell their oil to the US and then give the money back to them just so that the US can give that money to Isreal.

They sell their oil in the world market at market prices, and then they do what with their money?? I'm sure they invest it, buy our bonds and so forth, but I am quite sure they don't give it back to us in the US. And regarding Israel...first, why would the Saudis want us to give money to Israel? And secondly, what's wrong with giving money to Israel?

The release of this video s... (Below threshold)
Horatio:

The release of this video shows two major points:

1) The propaganda machine of Al-Qaeda has fully developed a new puppet in Gadahn. A puppet/lap-dog who will espouse their perverse form of Islam.

2) Al Qaeda is trying to provide justification to the moderate Muslim when further attacks are made. The Quran requires a person be given the chane to convert to Islam before a Muslim can take up arms against them. If you can not convert them by your tongue your must convert them by the sword. It is a precept of the five forms of Jihad. When Bin Laden launched 9/11 he was condemned by many in the Muslim community for not first tryig to make the targets "see the path of Allah" rather he just attacked. Al Qeada is now trying to rectify that fact so that when they attack again they can point to this propaganda video as their having given the Americans a "chance" to convert. And of course, they will say, the Americans refused and now they are fari came for attack.

It's nice of these moderate... (Below threshold)

It's nice of these moderate, mainstream Muslims to show up and tell us why the suicidal terrorists don't represent their religion.

It would be even nicer if they could find the fortitude to stand up and say that in public, without the safety of online anonymity.


Just a thought . . .

Sorry Moon6 I didnt finish ... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Sorry Moon6 I didnt finish my thought there. What I meant was that when the US buys Saudi oil, the Saudi's make millions, but instead of putting it to help their supposed Muslim brothers, of whome they have millions living in poverty in Saudi Arabia, they instead give that money back to the US in the form of over paying for material items, in particular Airplaness, I beleive they buy them in sets of 25 from American manufacturers. And what I mean by it going to ISreal is that, simply the US is a majopr backer of Isreal, they have given them way over 100 Billion dollars in weapons and so on since 1948. Instead of buying these pointless jumbo jets for 2 people to use. They can instead help to rebuild countires that a torn apart by wars of all kinds. In Palestine, if the Saudis were to say tomorrow that they would give 10 billion to help build a country as long as HAMAS renouced violence, it would get done. But the Saudis would never just give money away. And when they do it is more of a slap in the face, recently after the war between Isreal and Hezbollah, the Saudies offered a mere 500 million to help rebuld the country, and a loan of 1Billion to stabalize the currency. The profits they made off the increase in oil during that month long war easily exceeding 50 or so billion dollars. So for them to offer a mere 1.5 billion is like you giving 5 dollars to the Red Cross!

=======================================Also Jim, we would love to stand up and tell the world that suicidal terrorists dont represent our religion. But, and this is something that everyone must agree to, their is a bias in the media, they do not want to hear ppl preach about the good side of religion. They would ratehr carry the story of the terrorist willing to kill himself to only injure 2 ppl. And when we do stand up publicly those same terrorissts do threaten and kill those people. Trust me people have tried to do this, we have been trying our hardest since 9/11 but peopel just do not care to listen!

"Trust me people have tried... (Below threshold)
JB:

"Trust me people have tried to do this, we have been trying our hardest since 9/11 but peopel just do not care to listen!"

Try harder. This is a feeble excuse. Same old victimology crap. There are plenty of people willing to listen.

Either you're part of the solution or you're going to become collateral damage when the sh*t hits the fan.

The choice is yours.

Giving money to Israel make... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Giving money to Israel makes the little Islamofascist children cry...

Guy, I AM college educated,... (Below threshold)

Guy, I AM college educated, so you can't quite say that textbooks completely leave it out. True that the education we receive on the history of the religion of Islam is a little scarce. Ironically I went to a private Catholic High School (although it was taught by laypersons), and there was a Jesuit Priest there who taught the "World Religions" course, and I learned a lot about Islam there.

My current profession takes me over to the Kingdom of Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates (as well as out on the open water in the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea, Gulf of Oman)

Kirktoe, you're partially i... (Below threshold)

Kirktoe, you're partially incorrect as well. Sure there are some denominations of Christians who believe that it is purely between YOU and JAY-ZUS!!
I wrote that mockingly to make a point. I am a Catholic-Christian, and I've read quite a bit about what it is that Catholics do believe (actually a few books compared Catholicism to Fundamentalist Christianity, then another one was written as a rebuttal to all the Fundamentalist Christian attacks on Catholicism). In Catholicism, the Bible isn't the be-all and end-all. The Bible isn't even the literal word of God. We believe the Bible was inspired by God, written by man, so there are human errors and such in it (the Bible actually contradicts itself quite often, even demonstrating that certain stories are compilations of older stories from seperate authors!). There is also the community of the faithful, which is supposed to help the individual grow in their faith (along with the church). Hence the reason why Catholics do need to go to church, because it is there that the community can gather and celebrate together.

Kim --Your ABC "up... (Below threshold)

Kim --

Your ABC "update" links to -- and quotes from -- a story from Sept. 2005.

Just a note to Guy,<p... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

Just a note to Guy,

The reason i'm a Christian and my God is different from your God is that my God is Christ. Christ isn't just a man, He is my God and the only God with whom i'll have anything to do.

Now granted Christ is not His name, His name is Yeshua, or Joshua, or Iesus, or Jesus, depending on what language you are using. And being that I am unfamiliar with the Arabic language it is certainly possible that Allah is just another word in another language for Jesus/Christ/Yeshua.

But somehow I doubt it. And this is why Allah is not my God, because my God is Christ. He is not my prophet, He is not another wise man, he is not a guy who lived a good life. He is my God.

So, unless you accept that Christ is your God also, then we are surely different.

Also, you should know that my God is at war with mankind right now. My God, Christ, has been at war with mankind since the beginning, when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit. My God, Christ, will destroy you. He will destroy me, He will destroy this entire world at the end of this war. There is only one way out. We must come before Him in humiliation, with fear and trembling, and beg forgiveness for starting this war against Him.

If we do that, Christ says that he will bring us peace. Not feel good warm fuzzy feeling sorta peace you get from a chick flick (No offense ladies) but peace as in a peace treaty. If you surrender to Him (And only to Him, surrender to any other god doesn't help) then He will cease this war with you and you will be saved from destruction.

However, all those who continue to make war with God (IE: All those who do not humble themselves in acceptance of the peace treaty) will be destroyed by the army of God in the last days.

So let me encourage you, Guy, and anyone else reading, to make peace with God through His sacrifice. Understand that He doesn't have to make peace with us, He's got the bigger, stronger, smarter army. But for some crazy reason that I don't fully understand, He loves us even though we make war against Him on a daily basis. So be thankful that He offers you a peace treaty through His own sacrifice.

Guy. Yes, we do give a lot... (Below threshold)
Moon6:

Guy. Yes, we do give a lot of money to Israel and as much as I grumble over foreign aid in general, if we're going to give money to someone I'd certainly like to give it to a productive democratic country like Israel. God knows they could use the support, surrounded by hostile neighbors and just wanting to be left alone.

And yes, I agree with you that the Saudis are a little selfish now and then.

Sir, I wish you the best. You sound like a peaceful, thoughtful soul...I fear many of your religious compatriots don't share your good qualities.

The foolish comments on thi... (Below threshold)
Peaceful Protestor:

The foolish comments on this link are just unbelievable and beyond me. Ive been hearin so much shit about Muslims?
All of you who have written comments, NEED TO read ALTERNATIVE SOURCES of MEDIA. Go to www.informationclearinghouse.info OR www.demoracynow.org. These websites will open up your minds a little.
Please dont watch and listen to RUPERT fuckin MURDOCHs propganda on Sky News and Fox Sports. All that news has a pre-designed NEO CON agenda.
These channels are so good, they have even made Muslims believe they were the ones who started this mess.
The Israel issue is a 24 year old issue. When the Jews were thrown out of Europe, unfortunately, and they chose to OCCUPY Palestinian land. That is not JEWISH land. That is Palestinian land. Israel OCCUPIES Lebanese, Syrian and Palestinian land.
Even naming their army the "Israeli Defence Force" is bull shit beacause it is on the attack most of the time. The only thing it defends is territory it occupied 24 years ago. Why wouldnt the neighbours of Israel be angry.For those who think Israel is democratic....you are all very lost. Any non-jewish Citizen in Israel is considere second class. It shouldnt even be calleda democracy. A democracy is where all people are considered one and equal without caring for the ethnicities and backgrounds.
Please watch PEACE, PROPOGANDA and the PROMISED land. It will show you whats really happenin in that part of the Middle East.
I lived in the USA. And it one of the greatest countries in the world. People are so nice there. It used to be a place where people would die to travel to. Now...unfortunately it is the most hated countries because of the Neo-Con government..which is just too busy butting into everyones business. Maybe they should concentrate more on helpin the Katrina victims. They havent done shit there and everyone knows that.
It was the Americans who created Bin Laden back in the day when Russia was occupying Afghanisatan. The USA wanted to weaken the USSR. And they funded the Afghan people to overthrow the occupiers. The USA and British governments are responsible for creating Hammas, the PLO and many oher groups which are now considered terrorists, because they do not help the USA in its expansionary policies. I hope you all know about the growing number of AMERICAN SCHOLARS who now believe that the WTC was actually BOMBED and that it did not collapse because of the planes??? Please watch he LOOSE CHANGE video. Part 2
I can go on and on and on.
Just watch the videos and read the articles on the sites i have metioned earlier. They will truly open your eyes...and tell you who the real culprit is.
And please...its best you ignore my comment unless you havent visited the sites Ive mentioned and wathed them closely.
www.informationclearinghouse.info
www.democracynow.org
(The reason I mentioned numerous videos as reference is because it would be easier for people to watch and understand those than to read thousands of articles...please dont think my comment is only based on videos!!)

I hope we witness a more peaceful future in the near future.

PP,Can I buy some po... (Below threshold)

PP,
Can I buy some pot from you?
Seriously, Loose Change and the websites you've posted have been debunked so many times. That you are clinging to this false reality like a baby's blanket is sad.

Convert to Islam?I... (Below threshold)
914:

Convert to Islam?

Id rather swallow 10 pounds of sandpaper! Or vote for John f-ing Kerry imao... lol

PP,Did you even RE... (Below threshold)
Jonah:

PP,

Did you even READ the comments? Not all of them were a bunch of "we believe everything we're told by neo-cons." In fact, most of them weren't.

Oh yeah, and I lived in the USA too...goody me. In fact, I did since I was born for 18 years. Then I moved out and became viewed as "unpatriotic." Picked up a slight British twang and visited home. And what did I get? "Speak American! Why did you choose to go to the UK? Why don't you keep living here? Don't you know we have MUCH more freedom than the UK." Yeah, Americans may be nice...to other Americans or ppl they think will flow into their cauldron of "superior culture."

Apologies to those Americans on this board who actually understand the desire to try living in different cultures and experience different countries. The ppl from where I am from just don't and I admit, it may be a huge generalisation due to that.

Jonah, depends on where you... (Below threshold)

Jonah, depends on where you live. Where I'm from the people are nice and understanding. Of course in my profession I do experience a large portion of the world's cultures (I'm a merchant mariner). I'm sorry you had that experience. The human mind mimics the world in which we live so we often start talking that way (for example). On my last ship, the 1st assistant engineer was from maine and for some reason...I started picking up the new englander accent. One more? Right after I graduated from college, I sailed with New York Maritime's Training ship as a watch officer...a ship filled with 560 New Yorkers? Holy heck I started talking like I was an itialian from brooklyn almost >.

Peaceful Protestor, what is going on has been going on for millenia (ever since Islam was started). If you don't know, the early days of America were troubled by Islamic Pirates (I think it was the Barbary Pirates). Islam has been at war with non-islamics since the day of its creation at the hands of some pedophilic warlord named Muhammed. Don't even bring up "the buildings were bombed". That has periodically come up (I have no idea why some yoyo keeps bringing it up), and keeps getting thoroughly debunked (just ask...I was a mechanical engineering student at the time, and when it becomes one of your case studies for an engineering class, you tend to know quite a bit more than your average "9/11 was an inside job" idiot).

Convert to Islam?S... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Convert to Islam?

Sorry, I like bathing and not stoning women for getting raped.

I'll pass.
-=Mike

The truth is that the "Alla... (Below threshold)
BigCatGirl:

The truth is that the "Allah" god that the Muslims worship is really a moon god rock that is based in Mecca. This thing that Christians and Muslims worship the same God is just not true. The God of the Jews and Christians is the God of the Bible. There a LOT of differnces, PERIOD.

Henry,I have seen ... (Below threshold)
BigCatGirl:

Henry,

I have seen a few tv presentations on the fall of the WTC towers and often they go into detail, though not like a college class course on structures.

Peaceful Protestor,<p... (Below threshold)
BigCatGirl:

Peaceful Protestor,

A simple question. Is your tinfoil hat just a little too tight?

Jonah,"Christians ... (Below threshold)
BigCatGirl:

Jonah,

"Christians of America are being deceived from their true religion."

No, as many experiences of people who have gone through near death experences have shown, what the Christian scriptures and faith has proven, there is an afterlife. Did not Jesus say that He is going to prepare a place?

Take this as a gentile correction.

Convert to Isbomb?? I think... (Below threshold)
914:

Convert to Isbomb?? I think alwazqueerie needs to wipe His ass more often! With Osamas sponge bob.

I have read the comments an... (Below threshold)

I have read the comments and find it very clear, that most of the writers DONT understand Islam.

They talk about Redeemer and Saviour (Jesus), not knowing that trinity and other pagan beliefs have nothing to do with Jesus or original Christian teachings.

In fact the people that have serious and sound belief about Jesus are the Muslims, they believe in Jesus, Men of miracles, a prophet, a messenger, a bringer of glad tiding of a prophet after him by the name of Ahmed (aka Muhammad).

The writers of the Bible wrote their own words, only small amounts are attributed to Jesus. Jesus never said worship me, ALL messengers are the light, the truth, and the way for the people of there time. We live in the time of the last prophet and last message, the last testament which has not changed and is God’s words direct to man, the Qur’an.

Jesus himself said “many will come to me on that day (day of judgement) and say, lord , lord we… did this and that in your name, we put a way the devil in your name and Jesus will say go away from me you evil doers, I never knew you”

Didnt Jesus say “I do not do my will , I do the will of the one that sent me”

If you want to worship a man (Jesus) that’s your business, if you want to worship God, that’s our business. Submit (to God) you will find salvation. In Arabic its Islam. Read the Qur’an for more information

Adam

If Allah and Jehovah are th... (Below threshold)
Jo:

If Allah and Jehovah are the same and Allah is just the Arabic word for God, why do English speaking Muslims say "Allah" instead of "God?"
If Muhammad was the greatest and final prophet of God, why did he tell everyone they could have up to 4 wives yet he took as many as 13?
Isn't "Allah" a contraction for "Ali lah?"
Wasn't "Ali lah" the pagan moon god? Didn't the Quraysh tribe (muhammad's tribe) worship Ali lah the pagan moon god?
Weren't the three deities that Muhammad told his followers to also pray to the daughters of Ali lah? (Verses later retracted and called the Satanic Verses)
How many "retractions" of prophecies did other prophets make throughout the history of legitimate prophets?
What if the Arab lineage cannot be traced to Ishmael? Does the make Muhammad an illegitimate prophet?
Since Muhammad could not perform a miracle (a prerequisite outlined in Deuteronomy), doesn't that make him a false prophet even by his own belief system?
And if the Qu'ran is the lone "miracle" Muhammad produced, does that mean that anyone who can't read but can recite is a prophet too?
Wouldn't Muhammad's "miracle" of the Qu'ran been more miraculous if the illerate guy would've written it down? I think that would've been impressive.
Isn't EVERY Muslim ritual based on a pagan ritual exactly?
Since Muhammad's recitations contradict themselves so often and the naskh principle was concocted to remedy the confusion....according to the naskh principle shouldn't all muslims gravitate towards the more radical and violent interpretation of Islam? What theological justification do peaceful Muslims make for being peaceful to counter the radicals?
If the Qu'ran is the exact copy of what is written down in Heaven, why does it have so many obvious contradictions? Does God change His mind so often about even trivial things like drinking alcohol and # of wives? If God waffles that much can we trust Him?
If men can really have 4 wives, what sense does that make spiritually? In Christianity and Judaism, one man and one wife in marriage spiritually represent our relationship with God, what theological sense does 4 wives make?
How many fights, battles, and bandit raids did Jesus lead or orchestrate? Zero.....
How many did Muhammad lead? over 40.
If "there is no compulsion in Islam," then why did Muhammad have to spread Islam by the sword?
Why did Muhammad claim to have been tele-transported to a temple that didn't even exist at the time?
why did Muhammad have his followers change the direction they pray? Did God change His mind again?
Why did God let his greatest and final prophet die a cold, sick man in his bed instead of something miraculous?
Why is Islam the only group of people on the planet to deny that Jesus was crucified on a cross?
Why was Jesus able to perform many and great miracles yet Muhammad, the last and greatest prophet, couldn't do even one?
Why is Jesus an important part of Islamic apocalyptic prophecies but Muhammad not?
If Arabs were the chosen people to deliver God's message, why did the Jews survive overwhelming odds throughout history and come to be a dominant force in the Middle East despite small numbers?
As a Muslim, your entrance into heaven is pretty arbitrary upon whether or not Allah feels like letting you in. How does Islam provide entrance into heaven?
What evidence is there that Islam is anything more than a pagan religion taken from the pagan rituals and gods of the arabs which is based on the hallucinations of charismatic bandit who stole some of the stories he heard from the influential Meccan Jews and Christians?

The Idea of a Debate on a b... (Below threshold)
Peace Protestor:

The Idea of a Debate on a blog is not to argue to prove you're right...the idea is to discuss and come to an understanding. Now there are number of people who are interested in that...and there are some who post useless idiotic comments as follows:

Peaceful Protestor,
A simple question. Is your tinfoil hat just a little too tight?
Posted by: BigCatGirl at September 4, 2006 05:58 PM

Convert to Isbomb?? I think alwazqueerie needs to wipe His ass more often! With Osamas sponge bob.
Posted by: 914 at September 5, 2006 02:07 AM

PP,
Can I buy some pot from you?
Seriously, Loose Change and the websites you've posted have been debunked so many times. That you are clinging to this false reality like a baby's blanket is sad.
Posted by: SCSIwuzzy at September 3, 2006 05:24 PM

These comments sure do saw a lot about the people who wrote them...


First issue to address are the buildings...
Loose change is not the only video and there millions of articles that talk about that whole issue being an inside job. The engineering guy who said he's done this in engineering class...man...there are hundreds of scholars getting together from different parts of the world claiming that its obvious the buildings were taken down. Here...read this
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?
sid=06/09/11/1345203
I know its long but...try to get through it since we're tryin to figure out this whole mess.
Once again...like how all debates end...the link i just pasted has to be ended because of the shortage of time...but reading it will surely get you thinkin. Just one question man...why isnt there a single video...NOT ONE... of a plane hitting the pentagon. ITS THE PENTAGON AFTER ALL???? America's pride and joy!!! AMERICA'S BRAIN!!!

Now we tackle the bull shit comments about the 4 wives and wife stoning.
1)We need to understand that all religions are ages old. Societies were different back in the day...and the norms then were a lot different than the norms are now. Everyones goin to find some norms in other societies offensive and disturbing.
2) There is a big difference between culture and religion and there is a big difference between a person who is a Muslim by name and Muslim who follows true Islam. So judging a religion by its followers make no sense at all. You need to read the text...break it down and crititque it to figure it out yourself. There are thousands of fucked up people running around belonging to all sorts of religions...we cant judge religions through peoples actions!!!

Summarising these two points, marrying more than one wife...was a norm...just because it doesnt happen in America doesnt mean it shouldnt happen in the Middle East. Its more of a cultural thing. I was born in the ME...ive only met 3 polygamists.
How they managing that...i dunno and really dont care. (But common...wont we all love to have a couple of extra the side

I dont believe Islam is a pagan religion. Please dont read shit articles...instead read the Quran and figure it out yourself. Otherwise there is no reason or need to act smart and make statements about Aliah or whatever. Whatever religion(and im talking about all religions) says...you cant ask questions like "Why did Mohammed have his followers change the direction they pray? Did God change His mind again?" (ARF ARF ARF) Thats just stupid! Anyone can ask a stupid question like...why did Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) trust his disciples when he knew they were going to betray him? If Jesus is God...how could He be crucified?
Both my questions are stupid...why?
1) Because I dont know the intricate details of Christianity and 2) Its just because God said so. So theres nothing anyone can do about it. Thats the end of the debate. If God said let there be light...light it is. If God needed 6 days to create everything...we cant ask "if he is GOD...why couldnt he do it one day??
See what im saying!!! (mmmmhmmm..hope you do)

Finally...in my last comment...i requested you to all to watch and read the stuff on www.informationclearinghouse.info and www.democracynow.org. Its good to hear the other side of the story, once in a while and open up our minds.It doesnt look like anyone did...cuz no one commented on the sites. Please stop watchin Rupert's shit.(ex:FOX News)

Kinda tired of typing now...so any other questions are more than welcome...and please no more stupid comments magnifyin your uneducated backgrounds...Im hoping this is a blog for those who are here for a decent debate.

Peaceful Protestor

hai, I can understan... (Below threshold)
luis:

hai,
I can understand muslims trying to kill Americans.What i cant understand is the true belivers Muslims killing their own true muslims belivers.whats the difference being a Shite or A Suni? are these the same Muslims?Or do the Prophet Mohamed prefer one clan to another?

Hey...Nice questio... (Below threshold)
Peacful Protestor:

Hey...

Nice question...
See...there are differences between Shi'ites and Sunnis. And technically...one of thems got to be right. But who?? No one can say..unless there is an open debate where both parties are there to come to a conclusion. And we all know this is super tough and we all know how difficult it is to try convince someone and say..."hey...what youve been believing in ever since u were born...what youve been taught by your parents...is all BULL SHIT!!" hehehe
Its tough right? Its like me telling you...that youve been adopted!! It will shake the foundations of your being!!
Shias and Sunnis disagree...just like Roman Catholics and Protestants do. This was the basis of the creation of America.
Unfortunately...Iraq is engulfed in Civil War ever since the American army got there. Im not saying that Saddams rule was great...but it was better than the state Iraq is in now. American media insists that everything is hunky dory ...a person only needs to readn about the number of American soldiers coming back or dying there (unfortunately).
And the best lesson we can learn from the era of British imperialism(which was fuckin long) is the policy of DIVIDE & RULE...and the American Govt. has learnt it well.
Hope that answers your question.




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