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Not Even For One Day

Yesterday Wizbang's content was dedicated entirely to commemorating the five year anniversary of the September 11 attacks, both paying tribute to those lost and honoring those who acted so heroically in response to the the unprecedented challenges faced that day, and in the five years since. For one day we eschewed politics so that we could properly pay tribute. Unfortunately, for some one day was too much to let go by without engaging in partisan sniping. Some even reached full derangement status.

On a thread dedicated to remembering 9/11, one comment, which I immediately deleted, was dedicated to a rant about us commemorating the anniversary of the moron George Bush's "My Pet Goat" moment. I usually let such comments stand because they generally help me make my point. In this case, though, the comment took away from the solemnity of the day. Evidently the commenter forgot that we were memorializing the deaths of almost 3000 Americans.

Last night I wrote a personal account of the way I remember 9/11. No politics was included. The first comment in response to the post was a lengthy cut and paste conspiracy screed about how George Bush (41) was involved in a nefarious Carlyle Group meeting with bin Laden's brother on 9/11. Evidently, one day is just too much to ask from some people. James Joyner at Outside the Beltway found many more examples, both from the left side of the blogosphere, and in the media.

It was not just anonymous commenters at political blogs and partisan media types who could not control their derangement for just one day though. Some Democrat politicians could not control themselves either. Robert Byers at Watchman's Words posted the following as just the first in a list of examples (from the Sun Gazette):

Moran then maneuvered into more sensitive ground, suggesting that the country was not safer and intimating that the Bush administration's foreign policy was headed in the wrong directions."More people hate us," Moran said, a comment that drew an outburst from the crowd."My brother died on 9/11 - don't make this political," a woman in audience cried out.
Robert Byers thinks this is an example of how Democrats risk throwing away the advantage most believe they enjoy heading into the mid-term elections.
These elected officials and candidates are not some fringe of kooks. (Both parties have plenty of those.) These are the mainstream--the leaders of the party of FDR, Harry Truman, JFK and Scoop Jackson, who must all be turning over in their graves. I have to believe that this is going to backfire on them in a big way, and that once again the Dems will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the elections now just 8 weeks away. If the American people pay the least bit of attention, they will receive the electoral punishment their insanity so richly deserves.
I couldn't agree more.

Update: Mary Katharine Ham has a column about those who think they know the "truth" about 9/11.



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I heard Rosie O'Donnell had... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

I heard Rosie O'Donnell had to be reigned in as well.

"Why do they hate us?" Wha... (Below threshold)
Bob Jones:

"Why do they hate us?" Whaaaaa, Whaaaa, people don't like us! Whaaaa, Whaaaa, Whyyyyyy?

Who gives a rats ass? Perhaps it is simple jealousy?

If so many people hate us so much why are so many people trying to come to America?

Why are all the America haters still staying?

Why don't they leave? Whyyyyyyy?

Well, at least Olbermann wa... (Below threshold)
eddiebear:

Well, at least Olbermann was restrained for a night. End Sarcasm.

Just a day before his book hits the shelves as well.

I have to say that I agree ... (Below threshold)
Mark:

I have to say that I agree with Robert Byers. I have been a Democrat for all of my life (although I am just 28). And I had always hoped that the Dems would never fall back into their Vietnam-Era Anti-War rhetoric, because I have always been for strong national security, but I guess it has just been too much too ask for.
I didn't vote in the last presidential election 'cause I just couldn't bring myself to vote Republican, but there was no way I was supporting the Democrats and thier strategies.
I had hoped that maybe they would become more moderate after losing the last presidential election, instead they just act more venemous and lean even more to the left which alienates moderates like me.
So about two weeks ago I changed my party affiliation to Republican and will not look back unless the Republicans give me a big reason to.

I take partial responsibili... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

I take partial responsibility for that, I sniped Lee when I should have just resisted the temptation.

"Evidently, one day is j... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Evidently, one day is just too much to ask from some people."

Pot, meet Kettle.

Bush invokes 9/11 to argue for Iraq war

WASHINGTON - President Bush is invoking the memory of Sept. 11 to defend the war in Iraq, drawing protests from Democrats who say he politicized a national day of mourning.

In a prime-time speech broadcast on Monday's anniversary of the terror attacks, the president described a brutal enemy still determined to kill Americans, perhaps with weapons of mass destruction if they get the chance.

The red state hypocrites strike again. Nicely done.

As Byers said: "If the American people pay the least bit of attention, they will receive the electoral punishment their insanity so richly deserves."

The good news is that, as the opinion polls show, they are paying attention.

Welcome aboard, Mark. I, fo... (Below threshold)
Doug:

Welcome aboard, Mark. I, for one, appreciate your honesty as to why you switched party affiliations. Republicans are far from perfect (immigration reform, anyone?); I hope that their leadership doesn't cause you to regret your decision.

"Democrats. . .say he po... (Below threshold)
cmd:

"Democrats. . .say he politicized a national day of mourning."

Mourning? Politicized?

Ha!Ha!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!

And what was the Wellstone rally if not "politicized mourning?" What was the feces-flinging at Coretta Scott King's memorial if not "politicized mourning?" You clowns are so full of shit, it's coming out your ears.

Frankly, I'm angry at Bush for NOT overtly politicizing yesterday. He should have come out swinging at clowns like you, Lee, and laid it on the line - "if Democrats hated terrorism as much as they hate me, this war would be well on its way to being won right now." He should have nailed you disloyal bastards to the wall.

Yeah, God (whoops, sorry - that's an obscene word to you guys, isn't it?) forbid any member of the administration try to defend their actions. How divisive. How political. How awful. The left would never do anything like that, would they, Lee?

Ted Kennedy says Bush is po... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Ted Kennedy says Bush is politicizing, so Lee thinks that makes us hypocrites?

Maybe its time to stop sniffing the glue, Lee...

Ted Kennedy says B... (Below threshold)
kbiel:
Ted Kennedy says Bush is politicizing, so Lee thinks that makes us hypocrites?

What you have to remember about people like Kennedy and Lee is that anything that does not agree with their world view 110% is a partisan position. The only thing that Bush could have said that would have been non-partisan in their eyes is, "My fellow Americans, today I have come to decision to tell you all the truth. There was no terrorist plot on 9/11, it was really a conspiracy cooked up by Dick Cheney and Karl Rove as a way to grab more power. I will now tender my resignation immediately and tomorrow morning I will report to the nearest federal peniteniary where I will be repeatedly raped daily until they end my sad existence in the electric chair which will be brought out of retirement for this one occassion."

And even then, I'm not sure that Lee couldn't find something to nitpick there.

kbiel:LOL. Thanks!... (Below threshold)
Doug:

kbiel:

LOL. Thanks! I needed something to chuckle about after all the trolling these past couple of days.

kbiel:Reminds me o... (Below threshold)
Proud Kaffir:

kbiel:

Reminds me of something I've said repeatedly regarding Israel:

If all the Jews in Israel were to throw themselves into the sea and drown, they would be condemned for polluting the Palestinian's coastal region.

You just can never win with the anti-semitic, anti-American, lunatic fringe-left.

As if ABC or Wizbang know t... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

As if ABC or Wizbang know the 'truth' or anything about those that do know the 'truth' the fact is that 27 pages were removed before releasing the 9/11 report. Thats like reading a murder mystery novel and finding the last chapter missing. Their can be no story based on the 9/11 report that is 'Truth' for that very reason. Cyrus Nowatrash and ABC took Poetic license to the extreme, already much has been debunked.
But lets do some more debunking, AS always I save a copy of this web page after I post so I can come back only to see my 'Factual' posts deleted. Wizbang isn't interested in truth as they have also dleted my previous posts from congressional transcripts that describe the attackers and the Able Danger data mining program. Heres a list of other people that were also ignored by the 9/11 commission, these people are not pundits or reporters or hacks like the wizbang authors.
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The following Veteran National Security experts were turned away, ignored, or censored by the 9/11 Commission, even though they had direct and relevant information related to the Commission’s investigation (for the PDF version Click Here):

John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response. His name and contact information was provided to the Commission as a key witness by other witnesses, but he was never contacted or interviewed.

John Vincent, Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Vincent worked for the FBI for 27 1/2 years before retiring in 2002. He worked his last 8 years in counterterrorism in the FBI’s Chicago Field Office. Mr. Vincent, along with Robert Wright, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases, and certain warnings they had tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Although he was granted an interview, the commissioners’ investigators refused to let him provide them with information related to his case and the 9/11 terrorists network; they insisted on limiting the interview to only administrative and irrelevant questions and issues.

Robert Wright, Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Wright is a veteran special agent in the FBI Chicago Field Office Counterterrorism Unit. He had been investigating a suspected terrorist cell for three years, when he was informed in January 2001 that the case was being closed. Agent Wright, along with Mr. Vincent, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases and certain warnings they’d tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Three months before September 11, Wright wrote a stinging internal memo charging that the FBI was not interested in thwarting a terrorist attack, but rather "was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred." The FBI refused to allow Wright to testify before the 9/11 Commission, however, the Commission did not insist or attempt to subpoena Wright; despite the fact that it had subpoena power.

Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Ms. Edmonds worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Turkey, Iran, and Turkic speaking Central Asian countries. She contacted the 9/11 Commission in May 2003 and requested a meeting to provide them with information directly related to the terrorist attack. The Commission investigators refused to meet with Edmonds and informed her that due to their limited resources and time they were not going to interview all witnesses. She was able to provide the commission with information and documents only after certain 9/11 family members intervened directly. Ms. Edmonds’ testimony was completely censored by the Commission.

Behrooz Sarshar, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Mr. Sarshar worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan. He had first-hand information of prior specific warning obtained from a reliable informant in April 2001 on the terrorist attacks of September 11. Mr. Sarshar contacted the Commission directly but was refused. He was given an interview with the Commission investigators only after 9/11 family members intervened directly. Mr. Sarshar’s documented testimony was completely omitted from the commission’s final report, despite his case being publicly confirmed by Director Mueller’s Office.

Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. German served sixteen years as an FBI Special Agent and is one of the rare agents credited with actually having prevented acts of terrorism before it became the FBI's number one priority. He contacted the Commission in the spring of 2004, but did not receive a response. In 2002 he reported gross mismanagement in a post 9/11-counterterrorism investigation, which included serious violations of FBI policy and federal law. Mr. German contacted the 9/11 Commission during its investigation and requested that he be given an interview session in order to provide them with certain domestic counterterrorism investigations that he’d pursued. According to Mr. German there were links between certain domestic and international counterterrorism related to the September 11 attacks. The 9/11 Commissioners refused to acknowledge his request and never interviewed him.

Gilbert Graham, Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI - Mr. Graham worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office Counterintelligence Division until 2002. In February 2004 his name and contact information were provided to the Commission as a key witness with information pertinent to the Commission’s investigation. The 9/11 Commission refused to follow up and never contacted Mr. Graham.

Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI - In May 2002, Coleen Rowley, as the Division Counsel at the FBI Minneapolis Office, blew the whistle on the FBI’s failure to pursue Zacarias Moussaoui’s case prior to 9/11, despite all attempts made by the Minneapolis division counterterrorism agents. She reported that FBI HQ personnel in Washington, D.C., had mishandled and neglected to take action on information provided by her division. Despite her high-profile case the commission chose not to interview Ms. Rowley. According to Ms. Rowley, no one from the FBI Minneapolis Office (several Agents had direct information) was ever asked to provide testimony, information, to the 9/11 Commission.

Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA - Colonel Shaffer provided the Commission with detailed information on intelligence and pre warning information obtained by his unit’s data mining project, Able Danger. The 9/11 commission staff received not one but two briefings on Able Danger from Mr. Shaffer and his former team members, yet did not pursue the case, did not follow up on this documented report and refused to subpoena the relevant files. Mr. Shaffer’s testimony, together with other witnesses who corroborated his testimony and information, were censored by the 9/11 Commissioners and never made it to its final report.

Dick Stoltz, Retired Special Agent; ATF- Mr. Stoltz, a veteran undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, had played an important role in Operation Diamondback between 1998 and 2001. The sting operation involved a group of Middle Eastern men living in New Jersey who were caught on tape in an ATF weapons sting conspiring to buy millions of dollars of weapons including components for nuclear bombs. The case came to a screeching halt with the arrest of only a handful of suspects in June of 2001 even though there was ample evidence that some of the people who were attempting to buy these weapons had connections with the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden himself. The 9/11 Commission refused to contact Agent Stoltz despite all attempts made by several witnesses from the intelligence & Law Enforcement Communities, and the 9/11 Family group, Jersey Moms.

Bogdan Dzakovic, Former Red Team Leader; FAA - Mr. Dzakovic had worked for the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration since 1987 as a Special Agent, as a Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshals, and from 1995 until September 11, 2001 was a Team Leader of the Red Team (terrorist team). Mr. Dzakovic had tried for several years prior to the 9-11 attacks to improve aviation security in the face of the ever-increasing terrorist threat. He provided the 9/11 Commission with his testimony and documented reports. His testimony and report to the Commission was completely omitted from the final report.

Linda Lewis, Retired Emergency Programs Specialist; USDA - Ms. Lewis worked for 13 years evaluating and coordinating federal, state and local preparedness for nuclear, radiological and chemical weapons emergencies. Prior to September 11, 2001, she had reported numerous inadequacies and dysfunctions in emergency preparedness, including a culture of intimidation that discouraged federal evaluators from reporting inadequacies in state and local plans and preparedness. USDA officials had thwarted her efforts to bring in terrorism experts to help the agency prepare for attacks on federal buildings, including bio-weapons attacks such as the anthrax attacks of 2001. In vain, she had urged FEMA officials to develop a national emergency communications plan and require interoperability of federally funded emergency communications equipment. In the absence of these preparations, New York City firefighters and police officers were unable to communicate critical information on September 11 at the World Trade Center. Ms. Lewis contacted the Commission and offered to provide information regarding dysfunctional government preparedness, but the Commission never responded.

Mark Burton, Senior Analyst; NSA – Mr. Burton served as an all-source threat analyst in NSA’s Information Assurance Directorate (IAD) for most of his 16-year career. He was the editor of IAD’s premier threat document; the 300+ page ISSO Global Threat Summary, and was an adjunct faculty member at NSA’s National Cryptologic School. He provided dozens of pages of relevant information to the 9/11 Commission, but was completely ignored and never asked to testify.

The above list does not include many others from the intelligence and law enforcement communities who had similarly contacted or reported to the commission but had been either turned away or censored.

AND YOU GUYS THINK TV IS TRUTH?
WAKE THE HELL UP.

You just can never win with... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

You just can never win with the anti-semitic, anti-American, lunatic fringe-left.

The left is not Anti-semitic, on fact more jewish people vote for the left than the right because of the radical right wing fundies such as Gary North, Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell whose theory of Armageddon requires 2/3 of all Jewish people to die.
The left is no less religious than the right as most of america believes in God. You have bought the hook line and sinker. Besides in Roves new book it's George that says the Jewish should burn in hell.
Its the Rushdoonies that say the Jewish should burn in Hell, its the right wingnuts that think by creating war and armageddon {that was actually 7oAD} will save the very fundie wackos that heped to foment the wars, so they can go wafting off into the aether in their super holy bodies of light.

No, the Jewish people are democratic for the most part and the reason they are is because of the wingnuts such as Falwell and the other Hagees that see the death of jews as a path to their saviour.

YOU people here are the moonbats of death if anyone ever was. And you cannot deny that the fundies want 2/3 of the Jewish to die, so you can drop the Anti-semitic hate baiting,,,its just another way to get you dupes all lathered up and vote for the very Jew killers themselves..Or are you to dense to have noticed?
Hell I know more about religion than you dupes, and I am a christian, I know more about science and technology than you guys here, And don't buy into conspiracy theories or your ignorant parroting of the pundits. I suggest you guys read about the Rushdoonies and the norths before you go off half-cocked and fully stupid.

Lieutenant Colonel ... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA - Colonel Shaffer provided the Commission with detailed information on intelligence and pre warning information obtained by his unit’s data mining project, Able Danger. The 9/11 commission staff received not one but two briefings on Able Danger from Mr. Shaffer and his former team members, yet did not pursue the case, did not follow up on this documented report and refused to subpoena the relevant files. Mr. Shaffer’s testimony, together with other witnesses who corroborated his testimony and information, were censored by the 9/11 Commissioners and never made it to its final report.

Mr BUSH IGNORED THE PDB AND... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Mr BUSH IGNORED THE PDB AND HE IGNORED THE ABLE DANGER PROGRAM!!

And I also remind you that it was the Repulicans that allied with the "Freedom Fighters" [Osama aka Tim Osman]
And I remind you that it Was Reagan that supported the Freedom fighters and that it was Reagan that cut and run from Beirut after the marines were blown up'

It was Bush sr that cut and ran from IRAQ.

It was the Right Wingers that Sold Saddam WMD and Anthrax. Rummy Shook Saddams hand and looked the other way when the Kurds were gassed.

It was the Republican wingnuts and their Quixotic crusade that armed and appeased the very country today that they are suppose to be freeing, not killing, you do remember it was a Freedom Operation with a parade of Roses, RIGHT?

You guys do remember the many soldiers who got gulf war syndrome right?

You guys do remember that? Right? Freedom for the Iraqi People? Democracy? A regime change and happy smiling Iraqi faces? Right? Right?

Get your heads out of the MSM boob tube bermuda triangle of hypocrisy and stupidity it makes you dangerous nattering naybobs.

The left is 'anti-semitic'..boy are you guys slow to read.

Refute me of you can..I don... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Refute me of you can..I don't think you will, I think you will just delete this post and call me names, just like you always do.

(Responding to *five* posts... (Below threshold)
Doug:

(Responding to *five* posts from Mr. Ho):

Who is this guy? Man, he's pretty fast with the cut & paste functions on his keyboard!

Is all of this in response to "The Path to 9/11"? If so, then BDS is headed to another higher level (I didn't think it possible). What color warning do we use now?

Robert Byers thinks this is... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Robert Byers thinks this is an example of how Democrats risk throwing away the advantage most believe they enjoy heading into the mid-term elections.
==
Why you listening to a political hack?

What has Bush really accomplished?

Iraq is a disaster..Afghanistan slides back into the hands of the Taliban, the women are being beaten again, and the opium crop is bumber.

Israel didn't defeat Hizbollah, they created more of them. Osama is still running free after Bush said he didn't care where Osama is and pulled the special forces out of Afghanistan.."Number One Priority"
and now Bush doesn't care about Osama.

I am not for these terrorists as you people here at wizbang will accuse me of. I am telling you you cannot EVER allie yourself with these extremists as Bush Sr and Reagan did.

You cannot fight an asymmetric war by blowing up sovereign countries for a Rag Tag bunch of SAUDI extremists. They have no country. When Bush destroys the infrastructure of a country he only serves to create more fundamentalist extremists.

YOU CANNOT FIGHT A RAG TAG BUNCH OF SAUDI EXTREMISTS, WHO HAVE NO COUNTRY, BY BLOWING UP WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS OF CIVILIANS!! THAT IS JUST WHAT OSAMA WANTS AND YOU DUMMIES ARE HANDING IT TO THEM!!

FIGHT ASYMMETRIC WARFARE WITH ASYMMETRIC WARFARE not SHOCK AND AWE!

OSAMA=SAUDI

Who is this guy? Man, he's ... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Who is this guy? Man, he's pretty fast with the cut & paste functions on his keyboard!

I am faster than you could ever hope to be.

And have been around this world for quite some time.

I know vietnam vets, I know NSA agents, I know that my family has served my country many times, I know my father in law was shot down in a bomber in WWII,
I know my father served in the Airforce as well as my brother, I know that my brother in law is in the Airforce today. I know what the media will never tell you.

I know that I have worked on overhauling Kc-135 tankers for the Air Force..you people don't know for the most part what you say other than to repeat the latest pundit talking points.

Get your butts tothe recruiters office if you want to help, I am to old they wont take me back now.

And quit with this left is looney rant, its dumb and it only serves to divide America when we need to pull together and rid ourselves of this corrupt administration.

Peace out.

Mr Ho:I'm not sure... (Below threshold)
Doug:

Mr Ho:

I'm not sure what a "bumber" opium crop is, but we can talk about that another time.

Regarding bin Laden--did it ever occur to you folks that the reason he's no longer a top priority for the President *may be* because bin Laden has "assumed room temperature," never to be heard from again? Is that just *possible*?? (Not likely, not definite, just possible.)

Nope. Not with you folks. There's no legitimate dialogue to enter into here--you make your trollish talking points and people like me waste valuable time responding to them.

Dems would never fall back ... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Dems would never fall back into their Vietnam-Era Anti-War rhetoric,

it wasn't the left it was the majority of the country that wanted out of vietnam [Nixon cut and Run] and also remember it was LBJ, a democrat, that escalated the Vietnam War,..

But really wasn't 60,000 Americans enough for you?

If you want strong security then do as my family has done and go sign up for war instead of complaining about it..28 year old keyboard warriors and their blogs...useless as an ingrown butt hair on that drug addict Limabughs ass.

You aint no democrat or a republican, your a chicken, go serve.

Regarding bin Laden--did it... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Regarding bin Laden--did it ever occur to you folks that the reason he's no longer a top priority for the President *may be* because bin Laden has "assumed room temperature," never to be heard from again? Is that just *possible*?? (Not likely, not definite, just possible.)
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Dumb point, then if this is true then the Bush folks are aring a lie, a dead man?? WTF??

You can't have it both ways, can you now?

Mr. Ho:Let me get ... (Below threshold)
Doug:

Mr. Ho:

Let me get this straight:

"I know what the media will never tell you." What clearance level do you have in our government? Hmmmm?

"We need to pull together and rid ourselves of this corrupt administration." Which administration would that be? I assume you're referring to the one which was headed by a disbarred lawyer found guilty of perjury, right?

I'm waiting for the next post from you telling everyone the REAL story behind 9/11.....

Posted by: Doug at Septembe... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Posted by: Doug at September 12, 2006 04:27 PM

Doug says Bin Ladin might be dead, but not when Bush says He's alive. But he might not be, lets air some osama tapes, but he's not our priority, he might be dead if you think about it, but I just saw the video hes alive, but he's dead, but he can come back from the grave? I guess Osama is now superhuman?

Hes here hes there hes dead hes alive look mummy it's a bird it's a plane it's it's it's Super Osama!

I'm waiting for the next po... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

I'm waiting for the next post from you telling everyone the REAL story behind 9/11.....
Posted by: Doug at September 12, 2006 04:37 PM


You mean you didn't see the real TRUTH on TV?

I never said I had the 'truth', I do have a much better view than that Damn TV, or Wizbang does.

"I know what the media will... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

"I know what the media will never tell you." What clearance level do you have in our government? Hmmmm?

your projecting, I said I am to old to serve again, what does that tell you??

Here we go again....back to... (Below threshold)
Doug:

Here we go again....back to the Viet Nam war. This is getting very tiresome....

If you want strong security then do as my family has done and go sign up for war instead of complaining about it..28 year old keyboard warriors and their blogs...useless as an ingrown butt hair on that drug addict Limabughs ass.

That's just it. I'm not complaining about the war--*you* are. And as far as being a "28-year-old keyboard warrior," I'm afraid you're off by 21 years (and no, that doesn't mean I'm 7 years old).

When all else fails, resort to name-calling, guilt by association, and ad hominem arguments. Now I see why you may have had some of your previous posts deleted here.

Go serve and maybe you will... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

Go serve and maybe you will know more than the media too!!

I am to old they wont take me back now. -Mr Ho

Doug sed after reading MY post;
"I know what the media will never tell you." What clearance level do you have in our government? Hmmmm?

Doug doesn't read the posts, he just blindly replies.

You tell 'em, Ho! These stu... (Below threshold)
EveryoneWhoReadsYourRantThinksYou'reNuts,Ho:

You tell 'em, Ho! These stupid Wizbangers think ther're against the terrorists, but they're really FOR the terrorists. These stupid people don't know that EVERYTHING BUSH DOES, EVERYTHING THAT ANY REPUBLICAN HAS EVER DONE, IS WRONG! The sky is falling and you stupid Wizbangers don't know that WE ARE ALL DOOMED! Wake up stupid Wisbangers because you are teh stupid!

I have to say that I agree ... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

I have to say that I agree with Robert Byers. I have been a Democrat for all of my life (although I am just 28).

Once again DOUG doesn't read the posts...

EVERYTHING BUSH DOES, EVERY... (Below threshold)
Mr. Ho:

EVERYTHING BUSH DOES, EVERYTHING THAT ANY REPUBLICAN HAS EVER DONE, IS WRONG! The sky is falling and you stupid Wizbangers don't know that WE ARE ALL DOOMED!

once again, taken out of context, i said you cannot fight an Asymmetric war on Terror with Shock and Awe Campaigns [500 lb bombs], and it is a mistake to do so.

Has the Iraq freedom war been won? Or the Afghan War? How about the hezbollah? Lots of bombs,no victory. It doesn't take a genius to see that, does it?

Last response from me. I've... (Below threshold)
Doug:

Last response from me. I've got to get back to work here.

Re: the status of bin Laden.

Doug says Bin Ladin might be dead, but not when Bush says He's alive. But he might not be, lets air some osama tapes, but he's not our priority, he might be dead if you think about it, but I just saw the video hes alive, but he's dead, but he can come back from the grave? I guess Osama is now superhuman?

Hes here hes there hes dead hes alive look mummy it's a bird it's a plane it's it's it's Super Osama!

1. The GWOT doesn't end with OBL's death. Almost everyone agrees with this.
2. If he is alive, why didn't we hear from him yesterday? Maybe the TV uplink from his cave malfunctioned.
3. Here's some more fuel for your "conspiracy fire": we've already killed OBL, Bush knows it, but won't say anything because OBL's death would merely "inspire" more young terrorists. It's much better this way--he just disappears. He's nowhere (and nothing but worm food). Isn't that really more in keeping with your perception of Bush?

OK. I lied. One more respon... (Below threshold)
Doug:

OK. I lied. One more response. (Not that it matters at this point.)

Mr. Ho said:

I have to say that I agree with Robert Byers. I have been a Democrat for all of my life (although I am just 28).
Once again DOUG doesn't read the posts...

Me: Let's take a look at Mark's original post, shall we?:

I have to say that I agree with Robert Byers. I have been a Democrat for all of my life (although I am just 28). And I had always hoped that the Dems would never fall back into their Vietnam-Era Anti-War rhetoric, because I have always been for strong national security, but I guess it has just been too much too ask for.
I didn't vote in the last presidential election 'cause I just couldn't bring myself to vote Republican, but there was no way I was supporting the Democrats and thier strategies.
I had hoped that maybe they would become more moderate after losing the last presidential election, instead they just act more venemous and lean even more to the left which alienates moderates like me.
So about two weeks ago I changed my party affiliation to Republican and will not look back unless the Republicans give me a big reason to.

Me again: Mr. Ho, it looks like I'm not the one who "doesn't read the posts"! You just read what you wanted to read....

Wait! Come to think of it, THAT explains everything you've posted here over the past 90 minutes! I finally understand!
(sarcasm off)

33 comments... most of them... (Below threshold)
Cro:

33 comments... most of them by a moron. If you know so much, Ho...then start your own site and see if your brilliant insight's can gain you some traffic.

You never served, Ho....you were a civilian depot technician.

Fucking wannabe.

Doug -Re your comm... (Below threshold)

Doug -

Re your comments OBL - I agree. I think he's been worm food for a while, and what we're seeing and hearing are cut&paste video and audio specials.

For all we know, his head's on display at the CIA. But that there wasn't anything on the anniversary of his greatest 'triumph' makes me think along with you that he's dead.

And it couldn't happen to a nicer ghoul.

J.

J:Wouldn't it be n... (Below threshold)
Doug:

J:

Wouldn't it be nice if he were dead? It would be even better if the world never found out about it (or, at least, didn't find out until the GWOT is largely won).

OTOH, it wouldn't surprise me if another video from him emerged in the next week or two. I guess we have to learn to live with these kinds of uncertainties....

I remember the internet cha... (Below threshold)
Dave:

I remember the internet chatter on 9/11. I was on a forum for animation techniques, and the number of posts went from maybe 15 a week to a couple hundred that day. The need to communicate was very very strong.

One person stood out, because he was detailing the percieved sins of America, mostly support of Israel. He seemed to think that what US citizens needed was a sanctimonious lecture. This was maybe an hour or two after the second plane hit. Did he miss the fact that US citizens were not in the mood for a guilt-trip that day? I'm not asking faciciously.

This isn't a political position, it is lunacy that I can't even understand.


The left is not Anti-sem... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

The left is not Anti-semitic, on fact more jewish people vote for the left than the right because of the radical right wing fundies such as Gary North, Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell whose theory of Armageddon requires 2/3 of all Jewish people to die.

Just because Jews vote for Dems does not mean the left supports them. The left, CLEARLY, does not.

The left is no less religious than the right as most of america believes in God.

One side insults the faithful.

One does not.

Its the Rushdoonies that say the Jewish should burn in Hell, its the right wingnuts that think by creating war and armageddon {that was actually 7oAD} will save the very fundie wackos that heped to foment the wars, so they can go wafting off into the aether in their super holy bodies of light.

Feel free to provide any evidence behind your rambling. Thanks.

YOU people here are the moonbats of death if anyone ever was. And you cannot deny that the fundies want 2/3 of the Jewish to die, so you can drop the Anti-semitic hate baiting,,,its just another way to get you dupes all lathered up and vote for the very Jew killers themselves..Or are you to dense to have noticed?

Again, evidence?

Hell I know more about religion than you dupes, and I am a christian

You clearly do not.

I know more about science and technology than you guys here

Seeing as how you ALSO believe you know more about faith, I'm not optimistic.

And don't buy into conspiracy theories or your ignorant parroting of the pundits. I suggest you guys read about the Rushdoonies and the norths before you go off half-cocked and fully stupid.

Yes, the Rushdoonies.

Yup, NOT a conspiracy guy.

No sir.

And I also remind you that it was the Repulicans that allied with the "Freedom Fighters" [Osama aka Tim Osman]

Factually inaccurate. The U.S did not provide one dime to the Arab mujaheddin, which OBL was a part of. We funded the Afghan mujaheddin.

There is a dramatic difference ---- but I'm sure you know that well.

It was Bush sr that cut and ran from IRAQ.

Listened to the UN.

Moral: Ignore the UN

It was the Right Wingers that Sold Saddam WMD and Anthrax. Rummy Shook Saddams hand and looked the other way when the Kurds were gassed.

WE actually cut all funding once we learned of it.

Our "allies", however, continued the funding.

You guys do remember the many soldiers who got gulf war syndrome right?

According to the V.A, the number is somewhere around none.

I am faster than you could ever hope to be.

The gift of no thought, I suppose.

I know vietnam vets, I know NSA agents, I know that my family has served my country many times, I know my father in law was shot down in a bomber in WWII,
I know my father served in the Airforce as well as my brother, I know that my brother in law is in the Airforce today. I know what the media will never tell you.

So, your family doesn't suck.

Doesn't mean YOU don't suck.

You're the black sheep.

Got it.

Kudos be to you.

Get your butts tothe recruiters office if you want to help, I am to old they wont take me back now.

The poor spelling and dementia are probably more of a reason.

And quit with this left is looney rant, its dumb and it only serves to divide America when we need to pull together and rid ourselves of this corrupt administration.

Nice of you to sit there and not be divisive.

Of course, Clinton was so divisive that he was solely responsible for domestic terrorism rising.

Doug says Bin Ladin might be dead, but not when Bush says He's alive. But he might not be, lets air some osama tapes, but he's not our priority, he might be dead if you think about it, but I just saw the video hes alive, but he's dead, but he can come back from the grave? I guess Osama is now superhuman?

Note how it's a "War on Terrorism"?

Not a "War on Osama"?

There's a reason.
-=Mike

"On a thread dedicated to r... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"On a thread dedicated to remembering 9/11, one comment, which I immediately deleted, was dedicated to a rant about us commemorating the anniversary of the moron George Bush's 'My Pet Goat' moment." -- Lorie Byrd

You've taken the first step, Lorie: acknowledging that George W. Bush is indeed a moron. I am proud of you! Though there's still a long ways to go, you've made your journey to enlightenment easier today by what you did. Now, when a particular political event or controversy arises, you can ask yourself "What would the moron Bush do?" or "What would the moron Bush support?" Then, you should (maybe for the first time) consider the merits of doing or supporting whatever is the opposite of what the Chimp-in-Chief wants to accomplish. As an example, whenever Bush deceives the American people, reflect upon the advantages of honesty. Listen to people who daily confront Bush and his stupidity, Lorie, and learn from them.

Good luck to you!

"I know what the m... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:
"I know what the media will never tell you." What clearance level do you have in our government? Hmmmm?

Double-Secret probation clearance, probably.

Mr Ho, stick to what you know...

"Tiny Bubbles, in my wine..."

Oh, can I let you in on a secret...when you cut and past whole pages of text that last longer than the original article, 99% of us (including the moonbats) scroll right past it. Sorry all that point-and-click work went to waste.

As for the 1% (Lee), he's thinking of yet another way of rephrasing "Bush Lied".

Don Ho screeds:... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Don Ho screeds:

Doug says Bin Ladin might be dead, but not when Bush says He's alive. But he might not be, lets air some osama tapes, but he's not our priority, he might be dead if you think about it, but I just saw the video hes alive, but he's dead, but he can come back from the grave? I guess Osama is now superhuman?

Until I see UBL on camera, walking around, holding up a recent (one week) NYT article, and talks about something current and topical, he's dead.

Even Krazy Kagu/Spurwing Plover makes more sense than you, even if his spelling needs work. SQUAWK!

EVERYTHING BUSH DOES, EV... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

EVERYTHING BUSH DOES, EVERYTHING THAT ANY REPUBLICAN HAS EVER DONE, IS WRONG! The sky is falling and you stupid Wizbangers don't know that WE ARE ALL DOOMED!

once again, taken out of context

It all boils down to that paragraph in the end with you lot, these days. It's like background noise now. The boy who cries wolf. You would save yourself time by just posting:

"Bush Lied People Died No Blood for Oil Haliburton Inside Job Government Planned 9/11 Aliens Gave Me an Anal Probe."

3. Here's some more fuel... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

3. Here's some more fuel for your "conspiracy fire": we've already killed OBL, Bush knows it, but won't say anything because OBL's death would merely "inspire" more young terrorists. It's much better this way--he just disappears.

Vinnie "The Beak" stashed him in a landfill in Trenton, NJ...but you didn't hear it from me.

Get your butts tothe rec... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Get your butts tothe recruiters office if you want to help, I am to old they wont take me back now.

The poor spelling and dementia are probably more of a reason.

That's 'cause he's too busy splitting atoms...with his mind!

Remember, he knows more about everything on the f---ing planet than you!

Or, he is a narcissistic meglalomanic, and by Allah, he's has a solution for everything (which he hasn't presented one yet).

In other words, a Democrat.

You guys do remember the... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

You guys do remember the many soldiers who got gulf war syndrome right?

According to the V.A, the number is somewhere around none.

Perfect timing:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213483,00.html
(via AP)

Lorie:"On a threa... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Lorie:
"On a thread dedicated to remembering 9/11, one comment, which I immediately deleted, was dedicated to a rant about us commemorating the anniversary of the moron George Bush's 'My Pet Goat' moment." -- Lorie Byrd

Herman Munster:
You've taken the first step, Lorie: acknowledging that George W. Bush is indeed a moron. I am proud of you!

Reading comprehension doesn't come easily to you doesn't it? The referenced commenter is the one referring to Bush as a moron, and...

Oh, why do I bother? You are obviously too ignorant or stupid to parse a sentence correctly. Here, have a cookie, and on your bike...

James:LOL. Thanks ... (Below threshold)
Doug:

James:

LOL. Thanks for your comments. I needed them. The BDS has been really high here at Wizbang the last couple of weeks. Hmmm. I wonder why that is....? Maybe BDS, like nature, abhors a vacuum.

MikeSC:As usual, f... (Below threshold)

MikeSC:

As usual, fantastic responses. Heh, where'd he go?

James Cloninger:

ROTFLMAO!




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