Come December when Chavez rigs the election and does a Castro, I fear there is going to be a violent reaction and a possible civil war.

Hugo was right! Ahmajinadad was there yesterday.

I'm sorry...why is Bush the devil? I hear alot of that out of this communist wannabe windbag.

Oh yeah, that's right...everything wrong in his country, and the world is the fault of Bush and American imperialism.

is saying the Devil was at the UN more or less insane than saying that God told you to invade two countries?

nihilistic_disintegration,

God told who to invade two countries?

Or god told you to chop of heads and fly airplanes in buildings?

I agree with the news analysist for once. When oil drops to $40 a barrel Chavez will be hanged by his own people. Using the billions that is coming in now to build himself up at the cost of the population. He thinks he's another Castro, he isn't and he won't be able to dominate the population. It's a different world today than when Castro killed his way into office. An 80 cent 30-06 slug will take his head off sooner or later, hopefully sooner.

So a vote for House Democrats is a vote for a Hugo Chavez-backed ousting of President Bush via impeachment. Does anyone expect Rep. John Conyers, potential Chairmen of the Judiciary Committee to denouce Chavez? I'm not holding my breath.

You sure it wasn't a Democrat speaking?

When you start sounding like your sworn enemies, you might be doing something wrong. If these people get their way, they want to kill us all. The Donks set this table, and now the world's despots are taking up the call.

Looks like those DNC talking points are distributed far and wider than we thought. Apparently their fax machine numbers and email addresses are not limited to members and the MSM.

Ken

No, Mr. Chavez—Bush isn’t the devil. The devil’s work is competent.

Chavez is a mafia type guy. The Iranian pres is a punk. Chavez is the more dangerous personally. The Iranian pres has the more dangerous country. No matter how you feel about Bush, we have a 2 term limit and checks and balances. Can't say that about these other guys.

"Oh yeah, that's right...everything wrong in his country, and the world is the fault of Bush and American imperialism."

Chavez must not have heard of the democratic Party. Sure they have no power in Venezuela, but they have no power in the US either, and that hasn't stopped the Right from throwing the blame.

BTW, Chavez is trying to rally his base.
Bush would NEVER make shit up to do the same. (as far as you know).

Chavez doesn't need to rally his base, all he needs to do is keep pointing his crooked finger at us. That'll keep the eyes off of him long enough to finish arming his "militia" with Russian weapons; to resist and American invasion he says.
Everyone should realize that no conventional force he could muster would stand against an American invasion. The "militia" is to keep him in power.

He's well on his way to being another Castro and all the UN can do is giggle and clap.

If he smelled sulfur there, it's because he's got his head so far up Ahmadinejad's ass.

Chavez now anchors/channels the looney left in the U.S.!

Hopefully he will do for the Dems. what he has done so far to his economy (it sucks--a recent visitor tells me that normal goods are in short supply, including a competent leader).

Go Chav!

chavez only won 2 elections and survived a no-confidence referendum. he'll never be a champion of democracy and human rights like my good friend king abdullah or those peace loving emirs

and who does he think he is, giving discounted heating oil to americans. hey hugo, those americans would rather freeze to death than benefit from your largesse (damn, my prep-school vocabulary's showing again!)

Looney Tunes

Available now: screensavers featuring Presidents Hugo Chavez and Ah-mad-in-ejad.

So your opinions of who is evil is correct, but nobody elses....seems most of the planet agrees with chavez.
As somebody who has actually been to venezuala pre-chavez and seen the hell the common people lived in I am not surprised that the people of venezuala love him more than the plutocrats/corporations who had stolen 95% of the country and kept the people as slaves in all but name.

another thing. there's only one explicitly anti-chavez TV network in venezuela. not like the freewheeling commentary you find among my brothers in saudi arabia.

Think Chubby Chavez will be a guest on "The (Slanted) View"?

dubya:

and who does he think he is, giving discounted heating oil to americans. hey hugo, those americans would rather freeze to death than benefit from your largesse

That was nothing but a publicity stunt...which worked I guess...obviously it won you right over. You think Chavez cares about some poor people in the Northeast US when he's got so many in his own country starving to death? Do you think those people would have frozen to death?

madmatt:

So your opinions of who is evil is correct, but nobody elses....seems most of the planet agrees with chavez.

Yes, some people in the UN clapped which naturally equals most of the planet.

Thanks for clearing that up.

My God, it's Hitler (Ahmadinejad) and Mussolini (Chavez) all over again. And again, a large majority of those in the West do not honor or even see the threat.

Insanity.

heralder is correct. democracy good! fundamentalism bad! tell your wives and children.

The members of The Bush Crime Family belong in prison, if not executed for the damage they have done our beloved nation. That's not moon-battery.

Bush may not be the devil, but he will have a special place in hell. I should think being water-boarded for all eternity. Then beaten, short of organ failure.

Wow, I just popped over to the DU and those people are nuts! They are already setting themselves up as outsiders to whatever the Dems eventually do because they are NUTS! Nothing will ever please them, nothing.

Peter F., my thoughts exactly. Lucky for us neither has the balls that Hitler did. They don't even have Sadaams balls.

Hey Tommo, you are nuts! So, I guess you plan on killing the more than 1/2 the country that voted for the people in power now too huh? Why don't you try seceding from the country or just move out.

If they were as evil as you say, you would be dead right now. Also, I bet if they asked for volunteers there would be no shortage.

Instead of proving you're and idiot, why don't you get out there and do something positive to prove you are better than the rest of us. Why don't you run for office and astound us with your foreign policy. Oh right, you're an idiot.

jack oneil:

I do not share your faith as far as "balls" go, especially when it comes to Ahmadinejad. His and his country's support for the likes of Hezbollah whom Iran directly supplies arms to, and other terrorist proxy armies they support, show he has the balls. Big, calculating balls.

tommo:

The members of The Bush Crime Family belong in prison, if not executed for the damage they have done our beloved nation.

What the hell are you talking about?...where do you guys get this stuff?

You are clearly insane.

IF THERE WERE JUSTICE, the torture and slughter of thousands of innocents, in order to keep cheap gas flowing to cronies and the American public, would be a capital offense.

And I bet a lot of you hypocrites think you are Christ-like. You're the nut-jobs.

Bush as the devil...?

You guys have a problem with that? I mean...hello?

maybe the "devil" rhetoric is over the top, but no politician is as hated and feared, worldwide, as Bush. That's the truth. And although "only" 55-60% of Americans dislike him, most that do dislike him with an intensity never before seen in American politics.

That's the truth which you all need to face up to.

In my view, he has earned this hatred and then some.

...earned hatred...

Spoken like a humanity-loving and tolerant liberal.

WhoTF "earns" hatred? A man who helps free 50 million people from tyrnany and oppression, combats or the man who calls for wiping Israel "off the map", condones the raping and torturing of women for not wearing their burhkas correctly (Ahmadinejad), fills mass graves of his opponents (Saddam) and performs and conducts atrocities across the globe in the name of his God (OBL).

It's not even effing close, pal.

Again, insanity.

Silly Hugo. Bush isn't the devil. Cheney is. Bush is just a minor minion.

What's wrong with you guys? Bush IS the devil...OUR devil.

I mean, we need to be ruthless with the Islamocommufascists, who will absolutely make us all wear Burkas if we don't take a stand equivalent to the next world war! No one is more ruthless than the Devil!

Seriously though, If someone attempted a coup against you (as Bush did against Chavez in 02 (I think it was 02)), wouldn't you call them the devil too?

Looks like DU people and or their sock puppets have decided to come over here with their delusions.

If you think Venezuela was bad pre-Chavez, you ain't seen nothing yet.

He stole the last election per several credible analyses. Now that he has power, he's stuffed the courts, govt, businesses with his leftist Castroite boys, and the country is getting run down.

If you seriously hold him out as your authority on things in the world, you really have ended up in a sad place for yourself.

We didn't use to joke about the Hitlers and Mussolinis of the world during WWII, much less accuse our President of being worse.

Wow. Think about that for a minute.

jan van flac - "most that do dislike him with an intensity never before seen in American politics."

Ever heard of Abraham Lincoln, who was hated far more than Bush is?

Lorie, did you put out the Moonbat food. You seemed to have attracted quite an unusual amount of them today. The supidity expressed by those who defend the likes of Hugo Chevez and the President of Iran do not deserve American citizenship. Bush was elected by a majority of American voters, something Bill Clinton never got as he never got 50% of the vote. You lefties just keep it up. Your support for the two foreign dictators who were given the forum of the UN to address the world, will almost guarantee a Republican victory in November. Thank You.

I'm truly depressed. There was no "ChimpyHaliburton" stuff. Guess today's talkingpoints only spelled out "devil."

"no politician is as hated and feared, worldwide, as Bush. That's the truth."

Nah. When those same nations stop cashing our checks, then I'll believe they really hate Bush. Until then, they're just a bunch of windbag hypocrites.

No world leader -anywhere - has given as much aid to Africa than this administration did.

And when the Taliban refused to give up the person(s) responsible for the deaths of 3,000 innocents on American soil, what did the world's most 'feared' leader do? A truly feared leader with such awesome power at his disposal would have turned Afghanistan into a sea of glass with nuclear weapons. America, under Geroge W. Bush liberated an entire country. Women have the right to vote in Afghanistan. Soccer stadiums are no longer used as gallows but to actually play soccer.

50 to 60% of Americans don't care about politics...period. Those who do will continue to support the administration's policies, just as they did in 2002 and 2004. You'll see for yourself in the November elections.

That's the truth which you need to face up to.

Hugo is so stupid he doesn't know that Ahmajinadad would have his head on a platter 10 minutes after he is of no use to him. Hugo is another stupid fool (just like democrats) that destroys every thing they touch in hope he can get praise for rebuilding them, but they are incapabile of rebuiling anything.

Quite a picture. I wish the young couple well.

My God, it's Hitler (Ahmadinejad) and Mussolini (Chavez) all over again.

Don't forget Stalin (Bush).

Astigafa, you certainly know your history. Stalin was responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of his own countrymen. Stalin purged his Army and made a pact with Hitler. Built an Iron curtain around eastern Europe and used terror to rule over his country. That is just a little of what Stalin did. For you to compare George W. Bush, the elected President of the United States of America to Joseph Stalin proves beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you are an idiot.

astigafa:

Your definition for "fascist" is surely expandable when it comes to Bush, isn't it. Not that you can site one, single instance or act of fascism or anything that might be construed by any reasonable person on the part of Bush or the Administration as being fascist-like. No, you perceive something fascistic when in fact it's not anywhere close to being a form of fascism. It makes you sound like a big boy with a big word in your mouth, or like you know what you're talking about when in fact you don't.

So, in light of that, here's an assignment:

Please explain and compare how Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini, who, combined and without provocation, killed anywhere from 20-100 million of their fellow countrymen, Jews, dissidents, fellow Europeans and more to Bush and the current GWOT. I await your rather lengthy resposne.

P.S. Good freakin' luck...

What's ironic is just how wrong tommo can be, and still not even realize it.

I'd assert that Bush will be enjoying God's grace and love for all eternity, while Chavez, Imanutjob, and unfortunately, many on the Left here, will be enduring the true devil.

People like tommo refuse to recognize true evil in the world. How anyone can speak of the evil of "thousands of deaths" and not see the conquest of Saddamn Insane is beyond me. Do people like that not even pay attention to reality? Do they refuse to acknowledge the facts of what Saddamn and his good old sons did?!?

And do they refuse to agree that defending our freedom is a good thing?

Thank goodness people like tommo don't run our country - I pray they never do.

"America, under Geroge W. Bush liberated an entire country. Women have the right to vote in Afghanistan. Soccer stadiums are no longer used as gallows but to actually play soccer."

oh yeah Afghanistan is a picnic. Actually, GWB & co did a half-assed job, then pulled out early so that we can invade Iraq. And now the Taliban is resurgent and Karzai is hanging on for dear life. As is Maliki in Iraq.

As for Hussein, NO ONE is saying he was anything less than a murderous tyrant but believe it or not is is possible to make a bad situation worse. And Iraq is clearly worse off than before.

Does anyone seriously doubt that Chavez is right? Our draft-dodging, truth-evading, failed businessman, who thinks torture is justified if he orders it, as he has, has acted exactly like Chavez says he has. He deserves to be called the Devil. He may go to heaven, as a baptized, albeit benighted Christian, but no serious person who is concerned about the state of the world should act like Bush. Chavez is telling it like it is.

jan and Gene are here for chuckles. Gene is just a dope.

Jan is worse. From his cozy living room in the good old U.S. of A., he would deign to tell the Iraqis and Afghans that they should live under tyrants rather than take a chance on a free life.

I'm with those who would risk for something like freedom, rather than be one of those timid souls who risked nothing, and acheived nothing of consequence.

It's easy to arm-chair quarterback when you are a know-nothing nobody.

Mitchell, you are assuming I am against the original intervention in Afghanistan. If you read my post, you would find that I am against the lame, half assed effort that we gave there.

As for the Iraqis, it's stirring to speak of freedom and a better life but that's not what we were sold.

And I challenge you to say with a straight face that on balance Iraqis are better off now. And if they aren't better off (and aren't likely to be so any time soon) then what the hell are we doing there squandering our blood and treasure?

Mitchell, you are a liar. Chavez did not steal the election - it was adjudged free and fair by all international observers. Why is it so hard for you to imagine that someone could be popular, even though you can't stand him? I mean you do have the example here in America of someone that you like, and the majority can't stand. What makes you think that Venezuelans think like you?

Photo Caption:

"Damn Ahmady, sloppy seconds."

Sadly, to the rest of the world (including the US's special allies, UK and Australia), Chavez makes a lot more sense than Bush.

Bush is after all the one who has to slaughter the population of Iraq to liberate them. (Perhaps he sees himself as being at the siege of Magdeburg, "kill them all, let God sort them out"), he is the one who has cosied up to Halliburton for all those tasty reconstruction contracts, he is the one who has ensured that the religious nutters in Afghanistan have been replaced by the Drug lords, he is the one who tacitly approves Israeli targetting of UN and civilian positions in Lebanon, he is the one who appoints the fervently anti-UN Bolton to be the US' UN Ambassador. He is the one who had 'God' tell him to invade Iraq chasing non-existent WMD. Compared to him, Chavez looks like a model of stability and sanity.

Add to that the US track record in South America, (Chilean Coup, attack on Panama, Contra deals, etc) and most of the rest of the world doesn't think much of Imperial America with it's absolute belief in it's own rectitude and supreme in it's ignorance.

It will be real interesting to see if South America will be able to get its act together now that they seem to be throwing off the yoke of yankee imperialism. It was nice to see Bolivia throw out Halliburton after its total screwup of privatizing the water supply. There's a bad bad idea, letting Halliburton run your national water supply.

Best of luck to any of my compadres to the South who may be reading this.

From Doug: "Bush is after all the one who has to slaughter the population of Iraq to liberate them."

That's right, Doug. Bush and company are busy killing people with IEDs and car bombs, while the "freedom fighters" are busy trying to build roads and school and provide all the infrastructure in Iraq.

More from Doug, "...he is the one who tacitly approves Israeli targetting of UN and civilian positions in Lebanon..."

Right again Doug! Israel checked the maps and looked for civilian targets to fire missiles upon. Then they hid out in UN buildings and in civilain apartments and fired more missiles from there. Hezbollah just tried to get everybody out of harms way. They used the money they had gotten from Syria to build bomb shelters to protect their citizens.

Remember, "Two legs bad, four legs good."

Don't you get it... he was taking the PISS out of Bush... that's why everyone was laughing! I could imagine he and Castro planning the whole scenario last week and laughing their asses off. Think of all of the times Bush has used this type of name calling... the ‘Evil One’ etc... blah blah. While Chaves obscures the real threat of Muslim extremism in the world, as does Chomsky, he did make me laugh. Our fearless leader is an embarrassment.

"oh yeah Afghanistan is a picnic."

No. Life in Afghanistan is better now than it was prior to the 9.11 attacks. You don't turn a nation that was ruled by tyrants into a perfect democracy overnight. Don't forget that many of our American founding fathers were slave owners. Would it have been better if they'd chucked the whole democracy process altogether? That's what you seem to be suggesting for Afghanistan.

And the original point was that feared leaders - like say Hitler or Stalin - don't respond kindly to attacks on their soil. The German attack on the Soviet Union resulted in the enslavement of Eastern Europe for half a century. In Afghanistan, the exact opposite happened after 9.11. So explain to me what the world has to fear from George W. Bush. I can, however, understand why murderous tyrants like Chavez are afraid of him.

"Actually, GWB & co did a half-assed job, then pulled out early so that we can invade Iraq."

The last superpower to invade Afghanistan -in 1979 - would clearly disagree with that verdict.

The brilliance of the 2001 Afghanistan campaign was that it was executed with a minimal number of US and NATO troops. We've armed anti-Taliban forces and they've done a great deal of the fighting. It's their country, and they should be the ones fighting for their freedom.

Again though, we're talking about establishing democracy in two places where it didn't exist before. Who gets the credit for that? Not Hugo Chavez. Not the Iraninan nut case. They don't even believe in democracy. And what do they have in common with many Europeans who hate Bush? They'd love to see the US, and democracy fail in Iraq.

It's not something I'd be proud of.

Are you suggesting that Bush did NOT speak as if he owns the world?

Are you suggesting that the so-called Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptively" attacking countries is NOT arrogant?

Are you suggesting that promoting torture is NOT the work of Satan?

And finally, are you suggesting that, when Bush invokes GOD, he is NOT being blaspehemous?

The trolls are killing this site. Go play in your own sandboxes please. While I am only one voice, having to sift through this crap is getting old quickly.

I love seeing you monkeys who've never set foot in Latin America trying to opine about Chavez. You're as ridiculous a clown as he is.

If you really want an eye opener, talk to all the average people who've been fodder for the "revolutionary forces" in Lat. Am. You'll not get a whole lot of support for your "moral superiority."

These are not children and they are not idiots; nor are the Iraqis. Before you opine about whether they prefer freedom or tyranny, I'd ask 'em first.

I've spoken with countless people in Lat. Am. who think the Left, including Chavez, Kirschner, Morales, Castro, and Ortega are a bunch of know-nothing demogogues. Which they are, of course. But the Left here don't think it worth investigating it; they just assume that if was U.S. "Imperialism" that led to all the problems.

You guys open your mouths, and expose your ignorance every day. If I were you, I keep quiet lest you continue to expose your foolishness.

Wow, I just popped over to the DU and those people are nuts! They are already setting themselves up as outsiders to whatever the Dems eventually do because they are NUTS! Nothing will ever please them, nothing.

Peter F., my thoughts exactly. Lucky for us neither has the balls that Hitler did. They don't even have Sadaams balls.

Hey Tommo, you are nuts! So, I guess you plan on killing the more than 1/2 the country that voted for the people in power now too huh? Why don't you try seceding from the country or just move out.

If they were as evil as you say, you would be dead right now. Also, I bet if they asked for volunteers there would be no shortage.

Instead of proving you're and idiot, why don't you get out there and do something positive to prove you are better than the rest of us. Why don't you run for office and astound us with your foreign policy. Oh right, you're an idiot.

The trolls are killing this site. Go play in your own sandboxes please. While I am only one voice, having to sift through this crap is getting old quickly.

This is the sum total of your postings here, Oneil. I don't find one engaging thought, a single useful fact or any kind of debatable analysis to support anything you obviously believe.

All I see is juvenile vitriol.

Even for those I disagree with, I respect their grasp of issues and their willingness to back up their debate.

From you, all we seem to see is an angry little "troll" who hasn't a single original thought. That's likely because everyone here is smarter than you.

Take your nastiness and ignorance somewhere else. You're exposed for what you are here.

"Are you suggesting that Bush did NOT speak as if he owns the world?"

If Bush thought he owned (or America) owned the world, he sure wouldn't be speaking at the UN, or asking for their help.

"Are you suggesting that the so-called Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptively" attacking countries is NOT arrogant?"

Arrogant? Saddam lost a war, signed a surrender agreement, and refused to cooperate after twelve years and over 15 UN resolutions. Why no talk about Saddam's arrogance?

Do words not have meaning? Do actions not have consequences? That's why I'd never trust a liberal who talks about 'diplomacy'. Diplomacy is only effective if the consequences for non-compliance are real.

Are you suggesting that promoting torture is NOT the work of Satan?

Why would the administration promote torture - something that is politically unpopular? Maybe, just maybe, it's because it saves American lives. Satan has nothig to do with it.

And finally, are you suggesting that, when Bush invokes GOD, he is NOT being blaspehemous?

Lots of presidents have invoked the name of God. Why do you single out Bush as being blasphemous? Give me a quote to back up your charge.

Wow, I just popped over to the DU and those people are nuts! They are already setting themselves up as outsiders to whatever the Dems eventually do because they are NUTS! Nothing will ever please them, nothing.

Peter F., my thoughts exactly. Lucky for us neither has the balls that Hitler did. They don't even have Sadaams balls.

Hey Tommo, you are nuts! So, I guess you plan on killing the more than 1/2 the country that voted for the people in power now too huh? Why don't you try seceding from the country or just move out.

If they were as evil as you say, you would be dead right now. Also, I bet if they asked for volunteers there would be no shortage.

Instead of proving you're and idiot, why don't you get out there and do something positive to prove you are better than the rest of us. Why don't you run for office and astound us with your foreign policy. Oh right, you're an idiot.

The trolls are killing this site. Go play in your own sandboxes please. While I am only one voice, having to sift through this crap is getting old quickly.

This is the sum total of your postings here, Oneil. I don't find one engaging thought, a single useful fact or any kind of debatable analysis to support anything you obviously believe.

All I see is juvenile vitriol.

Even for those I disagree with, I respect their grasp of issues and their willingness to back up their debate.

From you, all we seem to see is an angry little "troll" who hasn't a single original thought. That's likely because everyone here is smarter than you.

Take your nastiness and ignorance somewhere else. You're exposed for what you are here.

Jack Oneill is entirely correct. You guys are a bunch of losers without a clue of what you're talking about.

Hopefully you guys aren't in the primary school teaching profession; I've got a newborn, and every time I see the lunacy of the Lefties, it leaves me concerned for her. I want her to think, read, and understand, not parrot something she read on a website, or make wild, baseless arguments.

The Dems: The Original Culture of Intellecutal Corruption.

You guys are a bunch of losers without a clue of what you're talking about.

They why even engage in the debate, Mitchell? Are you SO ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE OPINION if they deters from your own? Obviously.

And, to be specific, there are many on the right who don't hold your opinions as well. Are they all "lunatics?"

You're just an angry little man like your friend Oneil. Go back under your rock and get a clue.

Hey thanks for stopping in Stephie, you've added so much more to this discussion with your witty remarks. I bow before your writing prowess and your firm grasp of the topic at hand.

Now, do you actually have an opinion on the topic or are you just defending your troll buddies?

I see that Rangel and Pelosi have finally come out to publicly disagree with Chavez, I wonder what their "base" will think of that. Apparently Hugo went further in the streets of Harlem poking more fun at Bush. I wonder what would happen to him in his country; would he have to kill himself if he insulted himself in the mirror?

"Hugo, your hair looks like crap today"

"Who said that, I will kill you for saying that..."

Steph; In a word, yes. I am all-powerful, like a Super Hero. Well, yeah; like President Bush!

Or, Kkkarl Rove, take your favorite.

The reason your arguments don't hold up beyond dumb ass level, is that there are no 1) relevant 2) facts 3) bearing on the issue.

Not all facts are factually important. And in your case, not all your facts are facts.

It is astonishing the utterly non-progressive people that "progressives" will fervently support solely because they hate Pres. Bush that much.

You didn't see conservatives talk about how great a guy Milosevic was for insulting Clinton.
-=Mike

Bush: You're evil

Chavez: You're the devil

Not much to choose betwen them, is there?

God, have mercy on Mr. Chavez.

John Q,

I'm the devil.

Don't insult my name by throwing in Bush and Chavez.
I'm not THAT evil.

Sincerely,

The Devil

If Bush were the Devil? Chavez and Ahmajinadad would be worshipping Him at the UN. Not insulting Him.