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National Intelligence Estimate Key Judgements Released

Read it here. Allahpundit makes a good point that you may want to save the document on your hard drive because once Drudge links to it, it will be very difficult to access.

Update: If you have a hard time accessing the document at the DNI's site, you can get it here.

Lorie adds: I read the report, then read this AP report which mischaracterizes the NIE in an almost laughable way. The AP report picks the same section of the report that was leaked to help Democrats, the part which was reported and discussed for days, and ignores the rest of the report. Predictable. Sad, but predictable. Read the report. I say that to Democrats and Republicans alike, liberals and conservatives. Read if for yourself if you want to be informed. The AP is certainly not going to do it for you.

As for the "cause celebre" point they pick up on, if some of those currently helping the terrorists with their PR effort by equating them with the U.S. military would quit, much of that problem would be solved.

Musing Minds picks out a few portions of the report the Democrats won't be mentioning.


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"If this tren... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"If this trend continues, threats to U.S. interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide," the document says. "The confluence of shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups."

It is time to vote these Republican clowns out of office.

And if we want to spend tim... (Below threshold)
mantis:

And if we want to spend time tossing blame around, there is plenty of ammunition in there to throw around. If we instead want to assess how the strategy is working, and what we need to consider in the fight to decrease global terrorism, this is a very important part:

Four underlying factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement: (1)
Entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice, and fear of Western
domination, leading to anger, humiliation, and a sense of powerlessness; (2) the
Iraq “jihad;” (3) the slow pace of real and sustained economic, social, and
political reforms in many Muslim majority nations; and (4) pervasive anti-US
sentiment among most Muslims--all of which jihadists exploit.

Lee, And that's th... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Lee,

And that's the stuff they selectively let us see...imagine the rest.....I agree no more clowns. They're funny but in a deadly destroy your military, economy and country sort of way.

Imagine the stuff that NYT ... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Imagine the stuff that NYT didn't want you to see

like this:

• The Iraq conflict has become the “cause celebre” for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.

Mantis,Four underlyi... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Mantis,
Four underlying factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement: (1)
Entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice, and fear of Western
domination, leading to anger, humiliation, and a sense of powerlessness; (2) the
Iraq “jihad;” (3) the slow pace of real and sustained economic, social, and
political reforms in many Muslim majority nations; and (4) pervasive anti-US
sentiment among most Muslims--all of which jihadists exploit.
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Mantis,
Good point again, but you forgot that the left is advocating the very policies (like keeping Saddam in power, enabling terrorists like Arafat with political power, excusing Adm and the Iranian mullahs) that would exacebate these very problems. I posted a link how the BBC would publish a "who knows whether it is lie" report that Is helps the Kurds. This is to promote discord and civil war in Iraq against the Kurds, the most persecuted Arab people in the ME. This is despicable behavior.

Sorry that I forgot that you are here to spin fo r the liberals and Dems (your actions count more than your words). Since the liberals/Dems 's actions are so despicable that you have to spread the blame around to cover for them. So predictable a tactic. I haven't heard a word of condemnation of the selective leaking classified info by the NYT and the Dem plan to use this leaked report for the election drive.

If you and Lee are honest, you would offer an unequivocal condemnation of the Dems and conclude that they do not deserve to be elected.

Chickenhawk liberals 's mot... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Chickenhawk liberals 's motto,
Fighting against the jihadists will make them mad. Time to cut and run. No wonder they are kissing up to the thuggish regimes in VEn and Iran.
True to form, the liberals support Clinton in his blatant lie on Fox. Why? Because Clinton was tough during his presidency against whom? Against the Branch Davidians at Waco (their fellow AMericans).

Muirego and Lee don't even know their own hypocrisy. They are happily posting the selectively leaked NIE report without a hint of outrage. At the same time, they are complaining about Bush 's selective release! Liberals are free to lie, but Bush cannot counter their lies. Amazing

LAI,I was going to... (Below threshold)
mantis:

LAI,

I was going to respond to your "points" but they are so muddled and incomprehensible that I don't really have a clue what you're talking about. I do like that you continue to claim my "actions count more than my words", when these "actions" you speak of are, in fact, my words. I can only conclude from this that my words count more than my words. Got it.

In short, how do you type with a straightjacket on?

If you and Lee are honest, ... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

If you and Lee are honest, you would offer an unequivocal condemnation of the Dems and conclude that they do not deserve to be elected.


Posted by: LoveAmerica Immigrant


No I don't condemn the NYT because I support a free press. Only those who need the truth hidden do not support a free press preferring instead to support a secretive Orwellian administration who classifies things as secret based on expediency and dishonesty.

http://www.openthegovernment.org/

Umm, help me out here. What... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Umm, help me out here. What exactly in the released report rebuts the leaked statements, as Bush claimed it would? What I see is:

United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of
al-Qa'ida and disrupted its operations; however...

And then 3.5 pages of negative results and suggested changes to improve results for the future. What I'd like to know is what steps has Bush taken to implement these recommendations he received 5 months ago? Or are they next in line after the 9/11 Commission recommendations?

You know you're over the ta... (Below threshold)
Tony:

You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak. Lee, Muriego, Mantis...all we need is Hugh. The flacks are out in force this evening.

n short, how do you type wi... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

n short, how do you type with a straightjacket on?
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You should ask yourself that question.

Good one. At least I can p... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Good one. At least I can put together a coherent sentence.

And then 3.5 pages of negat... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

And then 3.5 pages of negative results and suggested changes to improve results for the future. What I'd like to know is what steps has Bush taken to implement these recommendations he received 5 months ago? Or are they next in line after the 9/11 Commission recommendations?
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I want to know what the liberal left has done in the last 5 years except leaking classified inform like NSA and NIE to aid the terrorists and make defending AMerica more difficult.

Muirego cannot bring himself to condemn a deliberate leak of classified info while in the last severals calling for a special investigation into the "leak" of Valerie Plame.

Mantis, I am still waiting for the condemnation of the NYT and the DEm party wrt this leak.

Good one. At least I can pu... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Good one. At least I can put together a coherent sentence.
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Thanks for proving my point again that your typical tactic is to divert attention not to address the point. Good pretention.

Mantis, I think Lee... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Mantis,
I think Lee is at least more honest than you in that he openly admits that he is here to spin for the Dems.

I want to know what the ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I want to know what the liberal left has done in the last 5 years

LOL! This is so typical! You righties get all hot and bothered about some bad news about Bush, calling it a liberal lie, terrorist-helping treason, yadda yadda. But then when it turns out to be true, all you do is wipe it from your memories, spin around, and say Oh yeah? Well what have you lefties done?

Oh, I shouldn't let this surprise me anymore, but I guess I keep holding out hope.

Thanks for proving my po... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Thanks for proving my point again that your typical tactic is to divert attention not to address the point. Good pretention.

As you should know, I'm more than willing to discuss substantive points with the sane commenters on this site. Single-helix loons such as yourself, I normally ignore.

Btw, what's a pretention? And what was your "point" I'm supposed to address? I couldn't find one, just a bunch of incomprehensible rambling.

Thanks for proving my po... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Thanks for proving my point again that your typical tactic is to divert attention not to address the point. Good pretention.

Ooh, and we even have a little "pot, kettle" action going on here. It's fun seeing the scurrying as people actually read the report.

Btw, what's a pretention? A... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Btw, what's a pretention? And what was your "point" I'm supposed to address? I couldn't find one, just a bunch of incomprehensible rambling.
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Pretention not to admit an obvious point: The NYT 's leak of classified information and the DEM plan to use it for election drive is despicable and deserve condemnation. The NIE report showed that this leak was a deliberate lie.

That 's why I am still waiting for your unequivocal condemnation of the NYT and the Dem party.

You don't want to address that point. That 's why you tried to distract attention and pretend not to understand it. Typical of you.

Muirego cannot bring him... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Muirego cannot bring himself to condemn a deliberate leak of classified info
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I am still waiting for the condemnation of the NYT and the DEm party wrt this leak.

So am I. I have requested in three different Wizbang threads for someone on the right to condemn this guy for leaking even more information than the NYT did. Not a single person will do it. Will you?

LOL! This is so typical! Yo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

LOL! This is so typical! You righties get all hot and bothered about some bad news about Bush, calling it a liberal lie, terrorist-helping treason, yadda yadda. But then when it turns out to be true, all you do is wipe it from your memories, spin around, and say Oh yeah? Well what have you lefties done?
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Bush has liberated more than 50 million people and protected you from attacks in the last 5 years at least.

What have you on the liberal left done? Why are you so afraid of your positive accomplishments?

Let's all agree on two thin... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Let's all agree on two things:
1)Bush was President on 9/11/01
2)Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq

That said here is a cut and paste

"The 9/11 Commission Report contradicts Rice's claims. On December 4, 1998, for example, the Clinton administration received a President's Daily Brief entitled "Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks." Here's how the Clinton administration reacted, according to the 9/11 Commission report:

The same day, [Counterterrorism Czar Richard] Clarke convened a meeting of his CSG [Counterterrorism Security Group] to discuss both the hijacking concern and the antiaircraft missile threat. To address the hijacking warning, the group agreed that New York airports should go to maximum security starting that weekend. They agreed to boost security at other East coast airports. The CIA agreed to distribute versions of the report to the FBI and FAA to pass to the New York Police Department and the airlines. The FAA issued a security directive on December 8, with specific requirements for more intensive air carrier screening of passengers and more oversight of the screening process, at all three New York area airports. [pg. 128-30]

On August 6, 2001, the Bush administration received a President's Daily Brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S." Here's how the Bush administration reacted, according to the 9/11 Commission report:

[President Bush] did not recall discussing the August 6 report with the Attorney General or whether Rice had done so.[p. 260]

We have found no indication of any further discussion before September 11 among the President and his top advisers of the possibility of a threat of an al Qaeda attack in the United States. DCI Tenet visited President Bush in Crawford, Texas, on August 17 and participated in the PDB briefings of the President between August 31 (after the President had returned to Washington) and September 10. But Tenet does not recall any discussions with the President of the domestic threat during this period. [p. 262]"

and in case you forgot what that 8/6/01 briefing said..
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb.pdf

So am I. I have requested i... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

So am I. I have requested in three different Wizbang threads for someone on the right to condemn this guy for leaking even more information than the NYT did. Not a single person will do it. Will you?
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Typical dishonest defense of the NYT leaking NSA program. The jihadists already knew it. Selectively taking quotes out of context. Exactly what the NYT just did and you did exactly the same thing.

What have the liberal left done in the last 5 years except aiding the terrorists?

Ok, I'll keep playing since... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ok, I'll keep playing since this is so amusing.

Pretention not to admit an obvious point:

Pretention, my friend, is not a word. Get a dictionary.

The NYT 's leak of classified information and the DEM plan to use it for election drive is despicable and deserve condemnation. The NIE report showed that this leak was a deliberate lie.

Which part was a lie? Did the NYT misquote the NIE? Care to back up this statement?

That 's why I am still waiting for your unequivocal condemnation of the NYT and the Dem party.

Hope springs eternal, friend.

You don't want to address that point.

That's not a point, it's a demand, and an idiotic one at that. There, I addressed it. Happy?

That 's why you tried to distract attention and pretend not to understand it. Typical of you.

But of course you're right. I was trying to distract attention away from your brilliant "point" that I should condemn a newspaper and political party for...some reason or other.

I started by talking about what this report means in the fight against terrorism and how our strategy is working (more extensively in a BombSquad post) and not working. You apparently wanted to (shock) distract from that to get into some silly partisan pissing match and demand condemnations from me. I'd much rather just make fun of you, unless you're interested in talking about how our strategy in fighting terrorism has its flaws and needs to be rethought. Fat chance there.

Bush has liberated more ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Bush has liberated more than 50 million people and protected you from attacks in the last 5 years at least.
...
What have the liberal left done in the last 5 years except aiding the terrorists?

Thanks for proving my point again that your typical tactic is to divert attention not to address the point. Good pretention.

Bush and Karzi both made th... (Below threshold)
jp:

Bush and Karzi both made the Dems/Libs look like absolute fools again, just after Clinton did this over the weekend.

At least some people displa... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

At least some people display more 'smarts' than Lee. They managed to read the entire four pages, well on my printer 3 pages and one paragraph. Lee as uaual only harps the KOS talking points.

The comedy of the entire thing is that it was a political ploy of the democrats that got shot to he** (as usual) when Slick Willie lost his cool and went totally whacko. The democrats reached into the local cess pool and got sucked into the city sewage processing plant. When will they get smart, run on the issues (that would require a plan the don't have) and quit burying themselves in sh** at every turn? The current democrats are a disgrace to the once proud party (I was a member for 30 years +), and have turned it into nothing more that a game of slime everyone. I still can't believe they pick people like Dimmy Carter, Algore, Slick Willie, Hanoi John, and howling Howie to lead the party, and then ally themselves with slime like KOS, DU, and the other anti-american slime balls. They are about as much the party of the american people as Islam is a religion of peace. They went dumpster diving simply because they couldn't win a few elections at the ballot box or by cheating and just keep digging deeper into the garbage and sewage. That indicates their real mental capacity. BDS has driven millions of them over the edge, but they weren't the sharpest pencils in the pack before GWB came on the scene.

Anyone else notice that one... (Below threshold)
bill:

Anyone else notice that one of the things that would help is to kill Zarqawi ... done. Other al-qaida leaders, how about Omar al-Faruq, dead thanks to the Brits in Basra this week.

The strong horse, weak horse lesson comes through. Too bad Clinton proved he was the weak horse in Somalia and the al Qaida types used that to recruit a huge force that they stationed in Afghanistan.

Lessons from the past are always a good start when trying to predict the future.

Lee, Mantis, Muirego, Brian... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Lee, Mantis, Muirego, Brian and anyone else on the wrong side of this issue. What part of it is illegal to leak classified documents escapes you? How many times are you and the scumbags on your side going to use illegal tactics to try to influence elections? Did you lops notice that report stated the need to get rid of Zarqawi? Been there, done that. Seems as though that report might need a little bit of upgrading. I have seen no count that indicates a growing movement towards terrorism, but I have seen that those terrorists who go to Iraq to fight have significantly shorter lives than those who do not. It is sad to see there are people as stupid as you four are in this country, but then you are democrats.

Scrapiron,I think ... (Below threshold)
Fordrill:

Scrapiron,

I think that acid trip you took back in your youth never quite left you.

Lee, Mantis, Muirego, Brian,

Isn't the meltdown of these guys a riot? I'd be laughing if it weren't so tragic.

Keep up the good fight.

Lee, Mantis, Muirego, Br... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Lee, Mantis, Muirego, Brian and anyone else on the wrong side of this issue...It is sad to see there are people as stupid as you four are in this country,

Not so much stupid as just downright pathetic. What's with the desperate need to be the first to comment? And on every post?

Isn't the meltdown of th... (Below threshold)
clay:

Isn't the meltdown of these guys a riot?

You're trying just a little bit too hard. Your desperation is showing.

Actuall, if these idiots on... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

Actuall, if these idiots on the left will actually READ the entire first page of the document they would see that it recommends spreading Democracy in these Muslim countries to curb terrorism, which is EXCATLY WHAT BUSH IS DOING.

You guys can't even have an honest intellectual discussion about what's right in front of you face.

Keep up the good fight.<... (Below threshold)
clay:

Keep up the good fight.

You'd better, 'cause y'all got bitch-slapped on the Bush & Karzai show today.

You can email President Bus... (Below threshold)
Steve:

You can email President Bush, VP Cheney, Congressional Leaders & Rush Limbaugh from my homepage... Check it out here.......

http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/8889

Actuall, if these idiots... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Actuall, if these idiots on the left will actually READ the entire first page of the document they would see that it recommends spreading Democracy in these Muslim countries to curb terrorism, which is EXCATLY WHAT BUSH IS DOING.

Actually, if you would read the rest of the document, you would see that it concludes that Bush is currently failing at those tasks.

Been around the internet re... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Been around the internet reading news outlets and blogs. Anyone that trust the democrats with the safety of their families and the country is simply crazy. Remember they are over run with complete idiots (ex Steve and Lee) that would let hundreds of thousands of Americans die in this country to gain one vote. That is a fact that can't be disputed by anyone with even a small brain. I don't trust them and if the idiots are elected I will become a real heavy armed person and have enough weapons and ammmo buried to protect myself for years.
Why do you think they push all of the gun control laws, they are plotting a coup as sure as you're breathing. Meeting with disgruntled generals in private democrat only attended hearings, yea sure. Their problem with that is they picked all 'loser' anti-american officers that more members of the militay would shoot in the back rather than follow them.

Um, dear liberal dweebs, he... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Um, dear liberal dweebs, here's an idea: Try actually reading the report before commenting thoughtfully on it. Clearly Lee, muriego and Brian have not done so...and that makes easy to dismiss anything, reasonable or otherwise, that you might have to say.

P.S. Yes, I'm still reading it...BEFORE I form an opinion...

And then 3.5 pages of ne... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

And then 3.5 pages of negative results and suggested changes to improve results for the future.

Uhhhh, it's called an "asssesment"; that is, assesing the present situation; it says very little about negative results. Suggested tactics, not changes.

From the report.
Should al-Zarqawi continue to evade capture and scale back attacks against Muslims, we assess he could broaden his popular appeal and present a global threat.

Not anymore.

The loss of key leaders, particularly Usama Bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and al-Zarqawi, in rapid succession, probably would cause the group to fracture into smaller groups. Although like-minded individuals would endeavor to carry on the mission, the loss of these key leaders would exacerbate strains and disagreements.We assess that the resulting splinter groups would, at least for a time, pose a less serious threat to US interests than does al-Qa’ida.

'"Rapid succession"? Wow. That's wishful thinking. AND almost or comes close to contradicting the opening sentecne"

United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of al-Qa'ida and disrupted its operations...

The NYT 's leak of classifi... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The NYT 's leak of classified information and the DEM plan to use it for election drive is despicable and deserve condemnation. The NIE report showed that this leak was a deliberate lie.

Which part was a lie? Did the NYT misquote the NIE? Care to back up this statement?
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So you are distracting attention from the obvious despicable behavior of the NYT selectively leaking classified information in an effort to propagandize against the war in Iraq. Here is the first paragraph of the declassified info. Why didn't the NYT publish it? You call this honest reporting? You don't want to condemn the consistently leaking classified information by the NYT. I have followed your arg for a while. I just pointed out that you are here to spin for the liberals/dems and you are not honest enough to admit it. This is simply a proof of it. I know that you won't admit it simply you are not honest enough.

You know how dishonest the NYT is for not publishing this key paragraph. You continue spinning for them.

Declassified Key Judgments of the National
Intelligence Estimate “Trends in Global Terrorism:
Implications for the United States” dated April 2006
Key Judgments
United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of
al-Qa'ida and disrupted its operations; however, we judge that al-Qa'ida will continue to
pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist
organization. We also assess that the global jihadist movement--which includes al-
Qa'ida, affiliated and independent terrorist groups, and emerging networks and cells--is
spreading and adapting to counterterrorism efforts.
.

Mantis, So much for... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Mantis,
So much for your intellectual honesty here. pick and choose as the NYT has done. Conveniently ignored these key paragraphs here: why Iraq is essential in the GWOT and how democratic reform is essential. Two key strategies in front of your eyes, but you don't want to quote them. Yes, you are as honest as the NYT. That 's why you don't want to condemn them

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Declassified Key Judgments of the National
Intelligence Estimate “Trends in Global Terrorism:
Implications for the United States” dated April 2006
• The Iraq conflict has become the “cause celebre” for jihadists, breeding a deep
resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for
the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves,
and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry
on the fight.

...
• The jihadists’ greatest vulnerability is that their ultimate political solution—an
ultra-conservative interpretation of shari’a-based governance spanning the
Muslim world—is unpopular with the vast majority of Muslims. Exposing the
religious and political straitjacket that is implied by the jihadists’ propaganda
would help to divide them from the audiences they seek to persuade.
• Recent condemnations of violence and extremist religious interpretations by a few
notable Muslim clerics signal a trend that could facilitate the growth of a
constructive alternative to jihadist ideology: peaceful political activism. This also
could lead to the consistent and dynamic participation of broader Muslim
communities in rejecting violence, reducing the ability of radicals to capitalize on
passive community support. In this way, the Muslim mainstream emerges as the
most powerful weapon in the war on terror.
• Countering the spread of the jihadist movement will require coordinated
multilateral efforts that go well beyond operations to capture or kill terrorist
leaders.
If democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years,
political participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and
groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives.
Nonetheless,
attendant reforms and potentially destabilizing transitions will create new opportunities
for jihadists to exploit.
Al-Qa'ida, now merged with Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi's network, is exploiting the
situation in Iraq to attract new recruits and donors and to maintain its leadership role.
• The loss of key leaders, particularly Usama Bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and
al-Zarqawi, in rapid succession, probably would cause the group to fracture into
smaller groups. Although like-minded individuals would endeavor to carry on the
mission, the loss of these key leaders would exacerbate strains and disagreements.
We assess that the resulting splinter groups would, at least for a time, pose a less
serious threat to US interests than does al-Qa’ida.
• Should al-Zarqawi continue to evade capture and scale back attacks against
Muslims, we assess he could broaden his popular appeal and present a global
threat.
• The increased role of Iraqis in managing the operations of al-Qa’ida in Iraq might
lead veteran foreign jihadists to focus their efforts on external operations.
Other affiliated Sunni extremist organizations, such as Jemaah Islamiya, Ansar al-
Sunnah, and several North African groups, unless countered, are likely to expand their
reach and become more capable of multiple and/or mass-casualty attacks outside their
traditional areas of operation.
• We assess that such groups pose less of a danger to the Homeland than does al-
Qa’ida but will pose varying degrees of threat to our allies and to US interests
abroad. The focus of their attacks is likely to ebb and flow between local regime
targets and regional or global ones.
We judge that most jihadist groups—both well-known and newly formed—will use
improvised explosive devices and suicide attacks focused primarily on soft targets to
implement their asymmetric warfare strategy, and that they will attempt to conduct
sustained terrorist attacks in urban environments. Fighters with experience in Iraq are a
potential source of leadership for jihadists pursuing these tactics.
• CBRN capabilities will continue to be sought by jihadist groups.
While Iran, and to a lesser extent Syria, remain the most active state sponsors of
terrorism, many other states will be unable to prevent territory or resources from being
exploited by terrorists.
Anti-US and anti-globalization sentiment is on the rise and fueling other radical
ideologies. This could prompt some leftist, nationalist, or separatist groups to adopt
terrorist methods to attack US interests. The radicalization process is occurring more
quickly, more widely, and more anonymously in the Internet age, raising the likelihood of
surprise attacks by unknown groups whose members and supporters may be difficult to
pinpoint.
• We judge that groups of all stripes will increasingly use the Internet to
communicate, propagandize, recruit, train, and obtain logistical and financial
support.

Back to rehab for you LAI -... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Back to rehab for you LAI - you've obviously fallen off the Kool-aid wagon again.

Why this site let's your diarrhea persist is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight.<br ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Keep up the good fight.
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We know liberals will keep up the good fight on behalf of the terrorists. And they did keep up the good fight against the Branch Davidians at Waco under the bravery of general clark and president Clinton. The results spoke for themselves: all women and children were killed.

Back to rehab for you LAI -... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Back to rehab for you LAI - you've obviously fallen off the Kool-aid wagon again.

Why this site let's your diarrhea persist is beyond me.
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Cannot defend the dishonesty of the NYT and the Dems anymore?

Lee,If LAI has a c... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Lee,

If LAI has a case of verbal diahrrea, then you must have a severe case explosive bowel movement of the mouth.

Try reading the report, you tool.

Pretty good, Peter. In two ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Pretty good, Peter. In two consecutive posts you 1) accuse me of not reading the report, and then 2) respond to my posted summary of reading the report.

Someone isn't reading well here, but it's not me.

Brian:Point...no, ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Brian:

Point...no, better yet, cut and paste, the exact sentence(s) that say Bush is "failing at those tasks".

Good point Scrapiron. Th... (Below threshold)
RobLACa.:

Good point Scrapiron. The bed wetting Democrats think they can just pretend to in POWER with all their bitch asses holding Rats only hearings. What a bunch of lying frauds. They all belong in prison or in front of a firing squad. Why don't you pansy ass cowards try and over President Bush so we can exterminate every single last one of you despicable traitors.

[President Bush] did not re... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

[President Bush] did not recall discussing the August 6 report (the PDB) with the Attorney General or whether Rice had done so.[p. 260]

Posted by: nogo postal

nogo,

Now that's a little unfair on your part. Because bush had a briefer come right to his Crawford ranch to discuss the Aug 6 PDB and they had a full discussion of it as transcribed below.

Briefer: " Here's that PDB...says something about planes crashing into buildings and a determined Osama bin Laden"

Bush to briefer: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

No I don't condemn... (Below threshold)
Marc:
No I don't condemn the NYT because I support a free press. Only those who need the truth hidden do not support a free press preferring instead to support a secretive Orwellian administration who classifies things as secret based on expediency and dishonesty.

Posted by: muirgeo at September 26, 2006 06:15 PM

Ok let's rephrase the the statement:

"If you and Lee are honest, you would offer an unequivocal condemnation of those that break the law and leak classified documents for political gain."

What say you two? Will you condemn that or fall back on the "Bush did it to Wilson" cannard?


I see Lee and company are s... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

I see Lee and company are still misusing their education. Teading every other line must be all they are capable of. The truth would send them back to floating on top of the sewer (you know what floats on the top at the sewer plant i'm sure) where they belong so they have to keep up the lies, oh, that's a lesson the learned from their fallen impeached hero Slick Willie. Pay attention, the post gave you a link to read, go read it so you don't have to read the entire 3 1/4 pages. Wouldn't want your heads to explode from truth overload and spread sh** all over the room.

No I don't condemn the ... (Below threshold)
Martin A. Knight:
    No I don't condemn the NYT because I support a free press.

What about Fox News?

Personally, I think people ... (Below threshold)
StephieJanna29:

Personally, I think people are on the wrong argument here. Of course, both sides will try to leak whatever they can and, you know, no one's above the fray.

The real discussion is WHY the jihadists are getting strong and, if they are, wouldn't it suggest that SOME change in tactics is needed? Digging in when the tactic is flawed is not a strength.

The problem is that military alone will never defeat or sideline these guys. There has to be a non-military component SIDE BY SIDE with a military one. That component has to be one that makes becoming an Al Qaeda member shameful. How do we accomplish this? I don't have the answer. But if you parallel this to the defeat of the KKK there are some similarities while also having some drastic differences.

Public opinion turned around on the KKK, partly due to the civil rights movement and how that gained acceptance in this country, partly due to law enforcement.

Al Qaeda has a political beef and our inability to think beyond a military option fuels them - and it's certainly tough to defeat an enemy that turns your show of force back on you. And a minority of people, a large minority, support them.

There are complexities here in trying to defeat this enemy - and they all need to die as well. But anger and revenge, as much as they push us forward, can't do it alone.

The democrats finally have ... (Below threshold)
Sfrapiron:

The democrats finally have a plan on terrorism. Tell the terrorist how we collect intel and identify our sources in the middle east. That way the terroist can kill all of the sources and plug the holes in their intel world. Can we use the same process against the leakers of secret national security data (democrats every time) and line all of the democratic members of congress against the fence outside and shoot them? If we use the terrorists method no trial will be required. Seems fair to me.
It seems a democratic employee of the CIA may be the leaker. The FBI and others have his name and position so will wait for their action, if any.

I think the worst appointment made by President Bush in six years is the current head of the Justice department. Under his leadership they have continued to be a do nothing department, maybe they are a CYA department only.

Funny what crops up when the rabid democrats use terrorists tactics to try and win elections. They get carried away and give away the farm while trying to save the cow. How many of you know that the attack on the WTC in 1993 was really a WMD attack designed to kill (poison) every person in the tower that was bombed. The bomb failed to operate as designed is the only reason several thousand people are alive today. Know someone that was in the building in 1993, do they know they were lied to like worthless dogs by the Slick Willie administration? Normal operation for the democrats, to them American lives are worthless when balanced against their political aims. Also information came out that the planner of the attack immediately went to Iraq where he was protected. No terrorists in Iraq, huh. Planned in Iraq and excaped to Iraq.

StephiePersonally, I... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Stephie
Personally, I think people are on the wrong argument here. Of course, both sides will try to leak whatever they can and, you know, no one's above the fray.

So at least we can agree that the Dems have been dishonest about asking for a special prosecutor wrt "Plame/Wilson". Surprised that you don't find it outrageous wrt the dishonesty and betrayal of the NYT wrt ILLEGAL LEAKS of classified info

The real discussion is WHY the jihadists are getting strong and, if they are, wouldn't it suggest that SOME change in tactics is needed? Digging in when the tactic is flawed is not a strength.
We know one thing that the jihadists get the encouragement to continue their fight from the propaganda they received from the left like BBC, AP, NYT, and the Dem party itself. That 's why people like Chavez, Adm thought that they could come here and simply spout Dem talking points and got big applause.

The problem is that military alone will never defeat or sideline these guys. There has to be a non-military component SIDE BY SIDE with a military one. That component has to be one that makes becoming an Al Qaeda member shameful. How do we accomplish this? I don't have the answer. But if you parallel this to the defeat of the KKK there are some similarities while also having some drastic differences.
Looks like you didn't bother to read the report itself. That 's Iraq and Afghanistan is all about: building democratic society. The left is against that also! Here is the relevant portion from the NIE report

If democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years,
political participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and
groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives.

The healdine of this post r... (Below threshold)
Lee:

The healdine of this post reads: "National Intelligence Estimate Key Judgements Released"

"Key" in who's estimation? The lying Republican adminstration - that's who!

The same lying Republican administration which first declared the contents "classified", then declared portions of the contents "unclassified" when it served their political purposes!

Release the entire document, and let's see just how bad the situation really is!!!!

Wait, let me check the weather report for hell and see if there is any chance of snow... nope. Guess we won't learn the truth after all. The liars in the White House will play the contents of this report against the American People to better the chances of Republicans holding Congress.

With the Republicans in power - America loses again.

So LoveAmerica Immigrant:</... (Below threshold)
StephieJanna29:

So LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Your response to my inquisitive post is, essentially, this:

Democrats are responsible for everything.

Now, I'm not taking sides on this. I'm just stating that if things aren't working 100% it's time to start assessing some new options.

But really, you can't believe that democrats, who have had no power in congress and senate for the last, well, 10 years, do not have any viable mouthpiece to compare with the media power the republicans can wield, and who have voted more or less lockstep with their republican counterparts on most things regarding these wars - can be the REASON the jihadists are increasing.

That's just plain ignorant and myopic - and very self-serving because it completely removes any form of blame from your side of the isle. If you told me there's a little blame on both sides, I'd go along with you a bit. But c'mon. You're wasting my time with that kind of narrowmindedness.

And if you really believe that - you're just deluding yourself.

And it doesn't advance a ne... (Below threshold)
StephieJanna29:

And it doesn't advance a needed conversation.

Stephie, I gave you... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Stephie,
I gave you a MAJOR non-military solution in the NIE and what Bush has been trying to do in the last 5 years. Building democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq is the long term non-military solution that you are asking for. The militarty is there to take care of the bad guys so that these poor oppressed people have a chance to build a functional democracy. I guess the truth hurts. Don't you wonder why the Demas haven't done much to help this non-military solution?

Key" in who's estimation? <... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Key" in who's estimation?
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Lee,
IN the estimation of the NIE authors. You are beyond parody. You are happily propagating the falsehoods from the NYT and Dem. And then when more details are released, you complained. So why did you take the spin from the NYT without any question given their despicable record of lies and illegal leaks?

It seems there is <a href="... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It seems there is another report just dealing with Iraq.

Odds on seeing it before the elections?

Building democracy ... (Below threshold)
StephieJanna29:

Building democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq is the long term non-military solution that you are asking for.

LoveAmerica,

I beg to differ. A "non-military" strategy to compliment the current military one is not a vague "building a democracy" in Iraq schpiel.

That's a goal. Not a strategy. A strategy would be to find ways to outwardly support non-jihadist muslims in ways that break through all media and show this country as what it should be: a force for the betterment of mankind.

All anyone sees in the news (overseas) is more bloodshed in Iraq, U.S. building a Taj Mahal type embassy in Baghdad, and the President inserting himself into the decision-making process with Israel regarding lebanon.

And the fact that Iraq was a war of choice rather than an urgent necessity only clouds this.

Argue all you want about who's at fault, the fact is that U.S. is vilified more now than they were 5 years ago - and it's not because "all the muslims hate us" as some might claim. (To think so is a useless point of view. It will solve nothing).

It'd be nice to see people accepting certain truths and moving on from them. Or giving up opinions, right and left, and moving toward solutions.

The simple fact is this: The Iraq war is not successful. If it were, the outcomes would be better. So, given that, where do we go from here? All I know is that some "non-military" component that helps build positive PR for us in the arab world is a given. As I mentioned earlier, the KKK lost support not because our government beat them down, but because the mindset of the people advanced so as to discard them from the mainstream.

Getting into the psychology of these people is the only way to truly eliminate this threat. And we're not doing enough toward that. That's why we're failing.

All anyone sees in the news... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

All anyone sees in the news (overseas) is more bloodshed in Iraq, U.S. building a Taj Mahal type embassy in Baghdad, and the President inserting himself into the decision-making process with Israel regarding lebanon.
You mean the anti-American leftist outlets like the BBC and French national media. These same outlets were silent about the UN oil-for-food corruption and the complicity of these Europeans gov as well. These same oversea news outlest advocate appeasement of the communist dictators and against the US during the cold war. They even covered up for the communist atrocities. So I wouldn't count on them too much. I don't know what you mean wrt Is. If it is up to these news outlets oversea, they would cover up the second Holocaust advocated by Adm

And the fact that Iraq was a war of choice rather than an urgent necessity only clouds this.
Yup it was a war of choice that Clinton signed an executive order for Iraq Regime Change. In other words, the strategy you have is to wait until another nuclear attack against the US before you would do anything

Argue all you want about who's at fault, the fact is that U.S. is vilified more now than they were 5 years ago - and it's not because "all the muslims hate us" as some might claim. (To think so is a useless point of view. It will solve nothing).
Don't you find it outrageous that the US is vilified by people like Carter and Clinton on foreign soil. And in the service of whom? Thuggish dictators like Chavez and Adm and Castro. If you truly care about this, then start at home. No former presidents have gone oversea to criticize their gov and their country, esp during a time of war. That 's why you need to start condemning the terrorist-enabling outlets like the NYT, AP and folks like Carter, Clinton, Moore, Sheehan etc...

The simple fact is this: The Iraq war is not successful. If it were, the outcomes would be better. So, given that, where do we go from here? All I know is that some "non-military" component that helps build positive PR for us in the arab world is a given. As I mentioned earlier, the KKK lost support not because our government beat them down, but because the mindset of the people advanced so as to discard them from the mainstream.
If Iraq war is not successful, the terrorists wouldn't have to blow up innocent women/children in Iraq to thwart the building of democracy. People are doing real work and making real progress there, not the kind of fancy talk you are involved in right now. Even the terrorists know that Iraq democracy is the huge blow to their ideology. That 's why it is uncontionable and stupid to advocate a cut-and-run from Iraq policy (check the NIE).
That 's right. The people of this country condemned the KKK and not provide the excuse and fodder for them. That 's why it is so despicable that the Dems wouldn't even stand up and condemning the jihadists as they did towards the KKK. Clinton was willing to send the military to squash the Branch Davidians at Waco and Elian Gonzalez to return him to Castro. So it is time to discard these radical leftists from the mainstream of America

Getting into the psychology of these people is the only way to truly eliminate this threat. And we're not doing enough toward that. That's why we're failing.
By taking the fight to them and force them to show how bankrupt they are. They are now blowing women/children indiscriminately just to get the leftist media in the West to do the propaganda job for them. That 's why it is incredible that the Dems won't join in the effort to marginalize these brutal terrorists. Instead they are trying to marginalize their real enemy, Bush. You only need to watch their actions.

BTW, Stephanie, what is you... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

BTW, Stephanie, what is your strategy (short term and long term for fighting the terrorists)?

Mantis, if a portion of it ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Mantis, if a portion of it can be construed as anti Bush by you idiots who suffer from BDS, I would say the chances are quite good that some cowardly lowlife will violate his pledge taken upon his getting what ever job he or she holds to try to undermine the efforts of this Administration. You democrats learn a lot from Nazi propagada didn't you?

Zelsdorf, One of my... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Zelsdorf,
One of my point is that Mantis is here to spin for the Dems/liberals but he is not honest enough to admit it. This thread is simply another proof.

Wrt the link pointed to by Mantis, it is just another example of the despicable behavior of the Dems. First the Dems on the intelligence committees (in both house and Senate) knew about the NIE since April and said nothing about it. Then one sentence was leaked to the NYT. Instead of condemning this illeagal leak, they joined in and planned a dishonest campaign on this leak. Now the context surrounding that one sentence has been released, they simply have to move to the next dishonest tactic: calling for the release of all the classified information. The regard these people have for national security is zero. That 's why their behaviors are so dangerous and despicable.

BTW, do you remember the me... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

BTW, do you remember the memo from the Dems on the Senate intelligence committee in which they plan to use intelligence information for political purposes?

Mantis, if a portion of ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Mantis, if a portion of it can be construed as anti Bush by you idiots who suffer from BDS,

But the Iraq war is eliminating terrorism, right? Shouldn't the report be good news?

I would say the chances are quite good that some cowardly lowlife will violate his pledge taken upon his getting what ever job he or she holds to try to undermine the efforts of this Administration.

Well, I was talking about it being officially released, but if the administration decides to keep it under wraps and some courageous official decides that maintaining a well-informed populace is more important than his/her career, far be it from me to criticize.

You democrats learn a lot from Nazi propagada didn't you?

So the assessments from our intelligence agencies are Nazi propaganda now, eh? Interesting.

Well, I was talking about i... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Well, I was talking about it being officially released, but if the administration decides to keep it under wraps and some courageous official decides that maintaining a well-informed populace is more important than his/her career, far be it from me to criticize.
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Now dishonestly leaking one sentence from the NIE or even leaking the info about NSA to benefit the terrorists is a courageous act for the liberals.

One of my point is that ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

One of my point is that Mantis is here to spin for the Dems/liberals but he is not honest enough to admit it. This thread is simply another proof.

Man you are boring. I am liberal (on many issues), but I'm not a Democrat. Therefore yes, I do often bring a liberal viewpoint when I comment. This, however, is not spin. Spin is something politicians and political operatives do; I'm expressing my opinion. Is that wrong?

First the Dems on the intelligence committees (in both house and Senate) knew about the NIE since April and said nothing about it.

Criticizing the Democrats for not revealing classified information. Interesting.

Then one sentence was leaked to the NYT. Instead of condemning this illeagal leak, they joined in and planned a dishonest campaign on this leak.

Care to point out an example of this "dishonest campaign"? Is it dishonest to discuss the contents of the report and what they mean regarding our strategy in the war on terror?

Now the context surrounding that one sentence has been released, they simply have to move to the next dishonest tactic

You mean discussing it? Pointing out what a dismal estimate it is?

calling for the release of all the classified information. The regard these people have for national security is zero.

The President declassified the report. If the info would have damaged security, he wouldn't have done so, right? Or does the President have no regard for national security either?

Now dishonestly leaking ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Now dishonestly leaking one sentence from the NIE or even leaking the info about NSA to benefit the terrorists is a courageous act for the liberals.

How does informing the public about the effect our efforts are having in fighting terrorists help the terrorists, exactly? Why are you against the American public being informed?

Here's a question, were you upset when we found out that Libby leaked classified info from the NIE to Judith Miller about Saddam's WMDs? I wasn't. Couldn't that have harmed national security? What if Saddam found out we were on to him and was emboldened or some other nonsense?

Care to point out an exampl... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Care to point out an example of this "dishonest campaign"? Is it dishonest to discuss the contents of the report and what they mean regarding our strategy in the war on terror?
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You are either ignorant or willfully dishonest. Let me explain slowly to you again.

The dishonest campaign is to use the leaked NIE leaked report to call for a cut-and-run policy from Iraq. The NIE actually said the opposite
Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves,
and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry
on the fight.

If the dems want to advocate a cut-and-run policy, then make the case. Using the leaked NIE as a basis for that conclusion is dishonest.

The President declassified the report. If the info would have damaged security, he wouldn't have done so, right? Or does the President have no regard for national security either?
Again, willfully ignorant. The liberals/Dems dishonestly leaked the NIE report to thwart the US policy. The president declassified the relevant portions of the report to counter this lies. The Dems then called for the release of all the classifed information, which noone in their right mind would do. Again, this is an example of your dishonesty when you claim to talk about strategy. A person with a slightest understanding of intelligence would not ask for the release of classified information in this manner.

mantisHow does infor... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

mantis
How does informing the public about the effect our efforts are having in fighting terrorists help the terrorists, exactly? Why are you against the American public being informed?
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Against willfully ignorant: you weren't upset that the NYT reveals our means and methods of tracking the terrorists' financial information? This info helped the terrorist avoid one key method of tracking them. We all know the US gov is tracking the terrorists. I don't need to know the exact secrets. I am surprised that you don't find NYT 's action outrageous.

Here's a question, were you... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Here's a question, were you upset when we found out that Libby leaked classified info from the NIE to Judith Miller about Saddam's WMDs? I wasn't. Couldn't that have harmed national security? What if Saddam found out we were on to him and was emboldened or some other nonsense?
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I remembered Clinton made a public speed about Saddam 's WMD and the threat he posed in 1998. I would be upset if Libby leaked the classified info our tracking of the terrorists.

The dishonest campaign i... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The dishonest campaign is to use the leaked NIE leaked report to call for a cut-and-run policy from Iraq.

Name one person who said the info from the NIE supports withdrawal.

The liberals/Dems dishonestly leaked the NIE report to thwart the US policy.

How do you know who leaked the report?

The president declassified the relevant portions of the report to counter this lies.

The report countered the report? How did that work?

Again, this is an example of your dishonesty when you claim to talk about strategy. A person with a slightest understanding of intelligence would not ask for the release of classified information in this manner.

I didn't ask for the release of classified information. Can I talk about strategy now?

Against willfully ignorant: you weren't upset that the NYT reveals our means and methods of tracking the terrorists' financial information? This info helped the terrorist avoid one key method of tracking them.

Terrorists stopped using money? What do they do now, barter donkeys for AK-47s?

I remembered Clinton made a public speed about Saddam 's WMD and the threat he posed in 1998. I would be upset if Libby leaked the classified info our tracking of the terrorists.

So you were for leaks before you were against them? We knew that the Iraq war creates more terrorists, so the leak was only confirming what we already knew. So I guess it's ok, at least using your logic.

Name one person w... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:


Name one person who said the info from the NIE supports withdrawal.
HEre it is (BTW, let 's not waste my time in verbal gymnastics, we know what Kennedy wanted all along).

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=nation_world&id=4596323Democrats on Sunday seized on an intelligence assessment that said the Iraq war has increased the terrorist threat, saying it was further evidence that Americans should choose new leadership in the November elections...
"It is abundantly clear that we need a new direction in Iraq by strategically redeploying our troops to fight and win the real war on terror and make our country safer," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.

The liberals/Dems dishonestly leaked the NIE report to thwart the US policy.

How do you know who leaked the report?
Thanks for the correction: I should have said, the Dems/liberals dishonestly used the leaked NIE report to thwart the US policy.


The report countered the report? How did that work?

Did i say report to counter report? Part of the report has been leaked without the context). So the context was declassified.

Terrorists stopped using money? What do they do now, barter donkeys for AK-47s?
Willfully ignorant again? They will find new means of getting the money. And the global banks will not cooperate with US gov anymore since the cover has been blown. Are you trying to excuse that?

remembered Clinton made a public speed about Saddam 's WMD and the threat he posed in 1998. I would be upset if Libby leaked the classified info our tracking of the terrorists.

So you were for leaks before you were against them? We knew that the Iraq war creates more terrorists, so the leak was only confirming what we already knew. So I guess it's ok, at least using your logic.
Again you didn't provide all the facts. The Libby simply revealed the same information that Wilson already leaked for another campaign against Bush.
The president has the constitutional authority to release the information. That 's his authority. No one else has that authority. So it is illegal to leak that information without explicit approval of the pres. That 's a given. Only the pres has that authority. I thought you undeerstand the constitution. That 's why it matters who is the pres. If Libby did it without explicit approval of the pres, he violated the law and he should go to jail for it. All set now?

Are you still for illegal leaking of classified information?

It's you liberal swine, Lee... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

It's you liberal swine, Lee, mantis and the like, who conspire to destroy this country with your wiley liberal ways and communist talky talk. I'm a proud conservative who is willing to start a jihadist movement of my own against the arabic jihadists who claim war against our great country. I will put on my uniform and fight like a man, more than any of you dem nazi sympathizers will. I will dance around in my cha cha heels and put on my beautiful red dress and create an interpretive dance to curse your liberal platform. I love my cha cha heels. Sometimes I yodel at the moon while I try on a push up bra.




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