It seems many think the idea that pulling out of Iraq would make us safer, you know like we were on September 12th 2001. We could never be attacked or hated if weren't in Iraq right?

And although the Iraq war has helped radicalize thousands of Muslims,

It makes me wonder how many of those "thousands" are among the thousands already dead at the hands of the coalition.

How the heck did I get a double blockquote? The test in the smaller block is my own.

As usual, the light comes on last for the Republican'ts again. Extricating ourselves from the Iraqui mess created by the current adminstration is indeed a sticky wicket, and no -- it won't put a stop to terrorism once accomplished - no one has claimed that either - but I'm glad the Republican'ts are wakening up to the latest reality check.

"It was a great mistake to go to Iraq," said Syed Hasnat, an expert on terrorism at the Middle East Institute in Washington, D.C. But a sudden withdrawal, he added, would both greatly damage the United States and "affect the cycle of international extremism."

Only an idiot would interpet that to mean that no withdrawl (the current republican't mantra) is a better option. The article suggests we just need to solve the problem and not make any sudden withdrawls - it does not suggest that the current Republican't plan of "doing nothing until something better happens" is the right course of events either.

"It was a great mistake to go to Iraq", and it is an even greater mistake to not learn a lesson from that, and vote out the morons who got us into this mess....

'course the answer is, Lee, wave our hands and it'll magically disappear.

I disagree with Mr. Hasnat, expert or not, the strategy going into Iraq includes many things, the most important is the insertion of a deomcratically elected government in Iraq, of Iraqis. That the jihadists spend most of their time blowing up Iraqi's means the jihadists at least 'get that part', while we back here at home are still trying wrestle over our own power struggle. The strategy that 'the morons' thought up was the spread of libery as opposed to the jihadist stifiling theocracy.

Just my two-cents, Lee.

But the left IS using the NIE report (among any other thing they can glom onto) as a case for IMMEDIATE withdrawal from Iraq.

So what is it? A difficult, phased pullout, or immediate withdrawal? I know either choice can sound better in different company and when you're running for office. But the party in power doesn't have the luxury of saying whatever people want to hear out of one corner of their mouth, and exactly the opposite out of the other.

In my opinion, the best jihadist is a dead jihadist, and they're a lot easier to kill where they live.

I think the lefties are realizing that the American public sees leaving Iraq "high and dry" would be the worst possible move at this point in the game.

Since most Americans aren't drinking the left's coolaid, this would be the next "strategy".

Whereas the Cindy Sheehans of the left would have all the troops bug out tomorrow, the smart lefties are probably floating "win-win exit strategies", trying to find something that will look to Americans like their tough on terror while at the same time going easy on the jihadists.

Quit lying LJD - or back up your statements with some proof. Where has the left said the NIE report justifies IMMEDIATE withdrawl from Iraq? Links, quotes, anything other than hot air woud be appreciated.

As to our withdrawl from Iraq -- do the Iraquis have any say in the matter?

A new WPO poll of the Iraqi public finds that seven in ten Iraqis want US-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year. An overwhelming majority believes that the US military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing and there is growing confidence in the Iraqi army. If the US made a commitment to withdraw, a majority believes that this would strengthen the Iraqi government. Support for attacks on US-led forces has grown to a majority position--now six in ten. Support appears to be related to a widespread perception, held by all ethnic groups, that the US government plans to have permanent military bases in Iraq.

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about the war, but I do think that pulling out of the war would be a bad idea. We've started something we can't stop now because it would open us up for attack. I don't know when or how this will end, but I don't think just leaving the war now will solve anything.

Lee,

Extricating ourselves from the Iraqui mess created by the current adminstration is indeed a sticky wicket,

Not really, if the long-term goals are met, than we draw down. We're not going to walk out if there is not an adequate, government, army and police.

it won't put a stop to terrorism once accomplished - no one has claimed that either

But Lee, since everyone is frothing at the mouth over us being there is "creating more terorists" what could those who trumpet "an immediate withdrawal" possibly want that for?

Saftey.

"It was a great mistake to go to Iraq", and it is an even greater mistake to not learn a lesson from that, and vote out the morons who got us into this mess....

That's right, and then we can redeploy to Okinowa.

Lee,
The Dems were so dishonest that they used the leaked NIE as a basis for their cut-and-run policy while the NIE said the opposite. See the example below.

Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves,
and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry
on the fight.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=nation_world&id=4596323
Democrats on Sunday seized on an intelligence assessment that said the Iraq war has increased the terrorist threat, saying it was further evidence that Americans should choose new leadership in the November elections...
"It is abundantly clear that we need a new direction in Iraq by strategically redeploying our troops to fight and win the real war on terror and make our country safer," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.

Lee permit me to ask you just how should we solve this problem? Once happy days are here again and leftists run the government-what will they do? The last item I saw about their future plans was that they would cut off funding for the military in Iraq.Forgive me for not considering this a brilliant plan.If morons and their moronic plans got us into this mess then it should be easy for the blue state intelligentsia to think up a quick and easy solution for Iraq.Yet they don't.Surely this isn't because they are only interested in exploiting any bad news for their partisan gain-that can't be it can it?

This is probably why the Dems want to withdraw from Iraq.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060928/D8KDUES80.html
al-Qaida in Iraq: 4,000 Insurgents Dead
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CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - The new leader of al-Qaida in Iraq said in an audio message posted on a Web site Thursday that more than 4,000 foreign insurgent fighters have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

BTW, if we didn't go to Iraq, these 4000 dead Al Qaeda members could have done more useful work somewhere else.

But experts on terrorism warn that extricating the United States from the increasingly unpopular war will not be enough to stop jihadists.

Well, shucks. It's like I was tellin' Lee: Even a blind sqirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.

I don't think he got it though.

Clay,
The liberals need the experts to tell them that the jihadists won't stop if the the US pulls out of Iraq. And they claim that Bush lacks intelligence!

I just don't see the big deal the Dumb-o-crats are making about this recruitment issue. We finally declared war on islamo-fascism after 9/11, invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to remove the criminal Taliban and Saddam Hussein and as a result, recruitment of soldiers by Al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups is what should naturally happen. This selected observation from the NIE is supposed to be such a big surprise?

After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, thousands of Americans enlisted in response to the attacks. So, from the islamic-nutso perspective the "Great Satan" has invaded Dar al-Islam. What did the liberals expect to happen? That the terrorists were going be happy with this?

People have to be reminded that war is supposed to be hell! That's why it is so effective. The main idea behind war is to inflict so much death, pain and suffering on your opponent that they loose their will to resist. Unfortunately, we are now forced to wage "politically correct" wars, with surgical precision strikes, culturally sensitive war criminal prison camps and blame our brave troops for every violation of their "Rules of Engagement".

Unfortunately, our opponents still know how to wage war the old fashioned way, inflict as much death, pain and suffering as possible and shout about it from the mountaintops of Afghani-Pakistan where Al-Jazeera will be sure to broadcast it to the world. This has just the intended effect on the Dumb-o-crats, making them loose their will to resist. Fortunately, America is a big country and the majority still has enough backbone to carry on even with an arm and a leg tied behind our backs.

Kim-

Please add Khobar Towers to the list. That had the fingerprints of Jihadist and even perhaps Al Qaeda all over it.

That's something, CLINTON, Democrats and perhaps even Giuliani have the luxury of forgetting.

The 333rd Fighter Wing will never forget.

Not that Guiliani is in any way an expert, but recently he said:

"The jihadists very much want a victory in Iraq. They feel that if they could defeat us in Iraq they will have a great victory for terrorism," Giuliani said. "What that should do is organize us to say if they want a big victory in Iraq then we have to deprive them of that victory."

I agree. Isn't that how you win a war...deprive the enemy of victory?
How would you deprive the enemy of victory, Lee...besides of course voting republicans out of office?

And they claim that Bush lacks intelligence!

Ah, yes. GW Bushler. The imbecile that masterminded 9/11 and controls gasoline prices. Uh-huh. The idiot savant that stole 2 elections. The monkey who's managed collusion with Sadaam, OBL, & Co. to orchestrate the Iraqui War. Yep. That's him. That's the guy. He's crazy awright. Crazy like a fox. He may look dumb, but it's just a disguise. He's a mastermind at the ways of espionage. Uh-huh. Smart enough to be a fool.

besides of course voting republicans out of office?

That's all it would take.

besides of course voting republicans out of office?

That's all it would take.
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Lee is honest here. Lee seems to be willing to vote the republicans out of office at any price, including selling out America and aiding the terrorists. That 's why he is happily repeating the lies from the NYT and the dems.

Pulling out of Iraq Won't Stop Jihadists!

Thats nonsense. Everyone knows that Bush's war in Iraq motivated the 9/11 attacks, because Islam is a magical religion that gives its followers the ability to see forward through time.

Lee,

Can you explain how that's all it would take to deprive the jihadists in Iraq of their victory?

Lee voting Republicans out of office isn't a plan for Iraq! What will your non-Republicans buds do to make things better? Do you even know? Or do you figure that they'll know to do with their toy (i.e. control of congress) when they get it? My guess is that they "plan" to let disaster happen,then blame Republicans. If you think different,please say so.I really,really want to believe that Democrats want us to win and right now I don't.

Xennady,
The Dems have a plan if they get control of Congress. Cut the funding for Iraq! That 's their plan.

LoveAmerica Immigrant-

Ain't that the truth. You can read Hillary's Living History and find out whaT their attitude would be.

First she blames Bush Senior for Somalia-the one Clinton did on a "budget" which means minus tanks.

Then-when the Black Hawk Down incident happens -I'm paraphrasing she says something to the effect-

Bill was finally getting around to helping me with my health care plan, and he was holdong a town meeting. He gets interrupted-once-and is told an incident has happened in Somalia.

He goes on with the town meeting. He gets interrupted again, and this time decides to leave.

Once again my health care plan gets put on the back burner.

This is ALL she has to say about the Black Hawk Down incident in her Mega book.

Ya let's vote vote the Clinton Legacy back in-the Democratic party has proven again they can only get united and excited by fighting for that..

What a noble and uplifting goal.

I need links on the Democrats plan on the war on terror or even how to handle the terrorist situation.

and not just that they would do it smarter....that dog won't hunt. I haven't seen proof of handling anything smarter in the past.

P.S. I will laugh out loud if the plan is to put them on trial. First ya gotta catch them and oh by the way how long was OJ's trial?

Vagabond,
Here is their plan for Iraq

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/092606/iraqfunding.html
Anxious Dems eye power of the purse on Iraq

I haven't seen proof of handling anything smarter in the past.

Anyone recall the democrat's "Plan to Protect America and Restore our Leadership in the World" published back in April? It was all of 6 pages...double-spaced...the first page was a cover page, and the last 3 pages were just a spanish translation. Great planners, those dems. And that's their strong suit!

Give me a break. What a sad bunch of morons.

Here's the plan. Pretty damned bold in that it doesn't contain an actionable item.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/03/real_security_t.php#flash

...not a solitary actionable item.

...and that is the best they've got.

And before anyone tries to start up the BS machine, let me state that this is not a plan. A plan outlines the specific actions you intend to carry out in order to reach your objective. It tells who, what, where, how, and when. It contains actionable items, not platitudes. The dems haven't presented a plan. They've presented dick.

We've covered this ground before, folks.

Lee in an earlier thread accused Lorie and the rest of Wizbang of "shilling" for the oil industry b/c several of Wizbang's posters question the anthropocentric claims of the global warming folks, as does the oil industry.

Lee, in his "logical" way, concludes that b/c Lorie and others agree w/ the oil industry, they are shilling for the oil industry, whether they get paid by the oil industry or not.

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/09/26/good-morning-alarmists.php#357423

I'd submit that, by that definition, Lee's arguments, which happen to agree w/ a lot of Islamofascists, is an Islamofascist shill, and his comments should be viewed accordingly.

Lurking Observer,

Don't try to confuse LeeLee with logic!

I'd submit that, by that definition, Lee's arguments, which happen to agree w/ a lot of Islamofascists, is an Islamofascist shill, and his comments should be viewed accordingly.

Hehe, good one.

Clay:

Thanks for linking to that piece of dribble.

And WTF do some of these mean:

Redouble efforts to stop nuclear weapons development in Iran and North Korea.

Translation: More capitulating and aid packages that will appease the Iranians.

Secure by 2010 loose nuclear materials that
terrorists could use to build nuclear weapons or
"dirty bombs."

Where? Here in America? Or all over the world? I wish them luck.

Double the size of our Special Forces, increase our human intelligence capabilities, and ensure our intelligence is free from political pressure.

Translation: Our buddies in the press won't leak vital programs in the "public interest".

Eliminate Osama Bin Laden, destroy terrorist networks like al Qaeda, finish the job in Afghanistan, and end the threat posed by the Taliban.

Translation: And we can't find him either, we'll finally realize that the war isn't just about OBL, but the entire Islamofascist movement. Of course by then it might be too late, but so what.

Strengthen the National Guard, in partnership with the nation's Governors, to ensure it is fully manned, equipped and available to meet missions at home and abroad.

Translation: We're hoping for another Hurrican Katrina.

Screen 100% of containers and cargo bound for the U.S. in ships or airplanes at the point of origin and safeguard America's nuclear and chemical plants, and food and water supplies.

Translation: Hundreds of container ships will sit idly in your ports, unable to offload their shipments to American markets-much of it rotting or going bad or not making it to market in time for events like the entire, say, Christmas season. Those ships will also, from time to time, leak large to really large amounts of oil a