Folks are all abuzz about the resignation of Representative Mark Foley (R-FL) after it was revealed he was using the internet to pursue an underage male page. Foley, prior to this, was best known as chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus.
While many are making this to be a huge scandal and a horrid disgrace, I think it's actually a sign of things getting better in Congress.
Back in 1983, two Congressmen -- Gerry Studds (D-MA) and Dan Crane (R-IL) were caught having illicit relations with the underage Congressional pages. Crane's paramour was female, and he was defeated in re-election. The object of Studds' affection was male, and Studds defiantly refused to apologize -- in fact, he got the former page (the encounters took place in 1973, and the "youth" was now a legal adult) to join him in a press conference. Both men were censured, but Studds kept getting re-elected and served until he retired in 1996. (Although the joke "how do you know if Gerry Studds has borrowed your book? He keeps bending the pages over!" still garners a laugh around New England.)
20-odd years ago, members of Congress boinking underage pages was worth a censure, and barely worth running them out of office over. Nowadays, just talking dirty to them is enough to get you ridden out of town on a rail.
Well done, Congress.
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Q: Why don't GOP Congressme... (Below threshold)1. Posted by username | September 30, 2006 11:25 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Q: Why don't GOP Congressmen use bookmarks?
A: They'd rather bend over the pages!
1. Posted by username | September 30, 2006 11:25 AM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 11:25
2. Posted by Luke | September 30, 2006 11:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I guess the same could be said of some Democrat congressmen too.
Wouldn't have the same ring though if it's a Democrat; they're expected to be unashamed of whatever they may be accused.
2. Posted by Luke | September 30, 2006 11:37 AM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 11:37
3. Posted by Old Coot | September 30, 2006 11:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Curious why the left does not seem to punish their slime at the ballot box. Foley resigned quickly, Crane lost badly at the next election; Studds, Kennedy, Byrd, et al are repeatedly returned to office, often by large margins.
3. Posted by Old Coot | September 30, 2006 11:45 AM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 11:45
4. Posted by Mik | September 30, 2006 11:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Foley heading chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus is reminiscent of the praise and adoration given by NOW to Bill Clinton for his "unwavering support of women's rights." To Clinton's credit, though, he at least waited until they were 19.
I suppose this most resembles the recent rash of female high school teachers becoming sexually involved with teenage boys who are sexually mature though still underage. Whatever the similarities, it is still shameful.
4. Posted by Mik | September 30, 2006 11:45 AM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 11:45
5. Posted by Porkopolis | September 30, 2006 12:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Something doesn't seem right about this. According to a Fox News Report, Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill., chairman of the Page Board that oversees the congressional work-study program, investigated Cong. Foley. Howerever, Foley, "falsely assured him he was only mentoring the boy." And all this was coming to light in late 2005...according to the same Fox News Report.
What type of investigation was that?!? Didn't Representative Shimkus have access to the reportedly sexually explicit emails from the page in question? This is basic investigative stuff...review the actual evidence first before even going to the source of the possible infraction.
Did Rep. Shimkus take Mr. Foley's assurance out of political expediency?
5. Posted by Porkopolis | September 30, 2006 12:36 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 12:36
6. Posted by engineer | September 30, 2006 12:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Seeing that the page's parent didn't want to persue the matter, it is very likely that Rep. Shimkus never got to see the emails.
It's tough to investigate something, when the victim says not to worry about it, and the perp doesn't volunteer any information.
6. Posted by engineer | September 30, 2006 12:46 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 12:46
7. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 12:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Seeing that the page's parent didn't want to persue the matter, it is very likely that Rep. Shimkus never got to see the emails.
The whole reason for the investigation in the first place, and the reason Shimkus contacted the parents and Hastert in the first place, is because he saw the emails. So, nope.
7. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 12:59 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 12:59
8. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
when the victim says not to worry about it
I suppose that this could be interpreted as "don't worry about it":
the boy e-mailed a colleague in Alexander's office about Foley's e-mails, saying, "This freaked me out." On the request for a photo, the boy repeated the word "sick" 13 times.
Or maybe not.
8. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:02 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 13:02
9. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Seems you have to go back through 23 years of sex offenders to find a Democrat to include in your analysis. Perhaps you can use a more recent subject in this list.
9. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:10 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 13:10
10. Posted by Steve of Norway | September 30, 2006 1:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It really is pointless arguing with you donkeys, you simply *refuse* to acknowledge your deadbats, drunkards, klan-members and commies in your party.
Unless and until you acknowledge Robert Byrds racist past...well, his current racism as well AND at least acknowledge Teddy Kennedy was responsible for a woman's death, I will laugh at everything you try to throw out there. Can't take you donkey seriously anymore.
You guys keep your scumbags, but hell, the GOP at least tosses theirs out when this stuff comes up.
10. Posted by Steve of Norway | September 30, 2006 1:18 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 13:18
11. Posted by Jay Tea | September 30, 2006 1:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No, Brian, time had very little to do with it. I picked a Congressman from the state next door who had a relationship with a same-sex underage page. It was the first parallel that sprang to mind.
Oh, and Brian, if you had the slightest clue or interest in any sex scandals besides the ones that fit your political bias, you'd have seen that Studds' indiscretion took place in 1973, but didn't come out until 1983 -- so it was 33 years ago, not 23. 1983 was merely the date it came to light.
That list you cited is a serious crock of shit. I've looked at it before. About half of it is filled with "arrested for" or "charged with" or "accused," and well over half the names on it are utter nobodies. Oh, and Strom Thurmond was a Democrat when he did the deeds that made that list.
Try harder next time, pinhead.
No, make that try. Put a little effort into it, will ya? We have much higher standards for trolls around here. Your so-called "efforts" barely rise to the level of "annoying asshole."
J.
J.
11. Posted by Jay Tea | September 30, 2006 1:24 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 13:24
12. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Unless and until you acknowledge Robert Byrds racist past
Like you're acknowledging George Allen's?
the GOP at least tosses theirs out when this stuff comes up.
Like DeLay, Ney, and Cunningham? Or these people? They at least resigned quickly to avoid bringing any embarrassment to their party. Oh wait... they just waited until they were indicted or convicted.
You just keep laughing about Republican pedophiles.
12. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:27 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 13:27
13. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Strom Thurmond? LOL! Now you're going back 70 years! And of course, "arrested for" or "charged with" or "accused" of child molestation deserves to be ignored. But then, Foley hasn't been arrested or charged (yet), but only "accused". So why not just ignore him too?
well over half the names on it are utter nobodies
That means the other half are...?
13. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 1:39 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 13:39
14. Posted by engineer | September 30, 2006 1:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In our hallowed halls of Congress, we have very few men or women of integrity on either side of the aisle. Nobody wants to take responsiblity for their actions. Foley resigning is good. It should have happened 11 months ago. Delay resigned over allegations of improper conduct (debatable whether they were or not). Good. Our Congressman shouldn't even have the appearance of improper dealings. Our Congressmen should be held to a higher standard then we are. I could mention several more Republicans (Nye) and Democrats (Jefferson, P. Kennedy) without even doing any research who lack the integrity to admit what they have done and resign. They should be setting an example for those who elect them.
Or are the men and women we're electing (and re-electing) a reflection on what kind of people we are?
14. Posted by engineer | September 30, 2006 1:56 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 13:56
15. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 2:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hear hear, engineer.
15. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 2:14 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 14:14
16. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 2:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Actually the democratic page abuser (Studd's--Ha ha, didn't live up to his name) was protected and re-elected by the democratic party until 1995 when the republican took over and removed him from his 'chairmansip' of a committee by eleminating the useless money wasting committee designed by democrats to reward a sex offender. (take a breath) He finally retired in 1996. So in fact the democrats are stupid to day a word since Foley immediately resigned. This is another 'play the word' game the american people will figure out and the dim's will lose again.
Now the democrats are running an 'Islamofascist' on the democratic ticket. The Islamofascist's think its' fine and practice the rape of any sex over 5 since the founder of their sick religion of murder did it.
Foley was a fool and should by hanged for his actions this may not be a one way street. His target also admitted to using a fake ID to cruise gay bars.
The democrats always excuse the slimey creature that occupied the white house during the nineties because his target was 19. Now we have child rape running rampart across the country (especially in the shool systems) due to the Liberal Laws and Liberal Judges (sic). SDS is spreading like a wildfire in Ca. because of Slicks excuse that oral sex was not sex. You may be sitting around thinking everything is fine. A little checking with an honest healty department will give you a clue to the exact extent of what Slick's action's and again "democratic party protection" has done to the teens in the country. Living in a rural area and working with health care professionals make it a little easier for me to keep up to date. Dig a little. You'll find that when questioned about why they took such risk with Oral Sex they always respond, 'the president said it was ok and it wasn't sex'. It's happened even on loaded school buses with a cheering section.
16. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 2:24 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 14:24
17. Posted by Steve of Norway | September 30, 2006 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Like you're acknowledging George Allen's?
This is what I'm talking about...was George Allen in the KKK? Huh, let's see, Macaca vs a high-level Klan member...yeah, that's your moral equivalency at work from the left.
17. Posted by Steve of Norway | September 30, 2006 2:29 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 14:29
18. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 2:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sorry for the typing mistakes in the previous post. Was out all night pulling drunks from car crashes. Usual Friday night action. Volunteers don't have a shift.
18. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 2:30 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 14:30
19. Posted by mantis | September 30, 2006 2:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Unless and until you acknowledge Robert Byrds racist past...well, his current racism as well AND at least acknowledge Teddy Kennedy was responsible for a woman's death, I will laugh at everything you try to throw out there.
Well, I'm not a Democrat, but I'm pretty liberal and I have no problem saying that Robert Byrd was and probably still is a racist, and Ted Kennedy was responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne (however I can't vote those two out of office). But then I also think that about 98% of politicians are crooks and/or scumbags, or at least they will be once they reach a high enough level of office.
And I will say this, in the upcoming election I will be voting against my current representative, Democrat Danny K. Davis, in light of his recent trip to Sri Lanka funded by the terrorist Tamil Tigers. He'll be re-elected anyway, but he won't get my vote.
Can I now criticize Republicans too?
19. Posted by mantis | September 30, 2006 2:45 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 14:45
20. Posted by Xennady | September 30, 2006 2:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi folks.Anyone want to contrast the way Democrats covered up for Bill Clinton-likely a rapist,at least guilty of other sexually related crimes of lesser magnitude-and the way Foley got not a kind word from the GOP on his resignation? All because of creepy emails? If a Democratic congressman did this why do you assume you would even ever find out? Delay ain't guilty of nothing-just being an effective Republican.Cunningham is in jail and Ney just pled guilty to something.Both are out of congress.William Jefferson-man with the cold cash-and Jay Mollohan are STILL in congress.Corrupt Republicans get tossed-corrupt Democrats not a problem-its all a GOP plot! I repeat-since Democrats can't even get these folks out of congress despite abundant evedence of guilt, why would anyone think a Democrat guilty of merely sending creepy emails would even be exposed,let alone driven out of congress?
20. Posted by Xennady | September 30, 2006 2:58 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 14:58
21. Posted by Jay Tea | September 30, 2006 3:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Brian, you're being even dumber than I thought. Strom Thurmond is featured prominently on that list that you think so highly of, you've cited it TWICE.
I can understand you not fully reading my posting -- it's probably too clear and simple for you to grasp -- but YOUR OWN LIST? Can't you at least READ what you're QUOTING?
You give dumbshit trolls a bad name, brian.
J.
21. Posted by Jay Tea | September 30, 2006 3:03 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 15:03
22. Posted by Semanticleo | September 30, 2006 3:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yeah, it's real progress when the Majority Leader and Whip wait for it to hit the news before they act.
What in Christ are you smoking, Tea?
22. Posted by Semanticleo | September 30, 2006 3:07 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 15:07
23. Posted by Kapow | September 30, 2006 3:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shame on you Jay Tea. This isn't some naughty little love affair. He's a peodophile Jay - what part of that don't you understand? To add insult to injury, now it seems that Boehner and Shimkus tried to cover it up. This is disgraceful, they all should be condemend, and no, there is nothing positive to spin here I'm afraid. I thought you were and intelligent and independent conservative voice, now I see you for the GOP shill that you are.
23. Posted by Kapow | September 30, 2006 3:25 PM |
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24. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 3:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The democratic talking head are again proving they shouldn't be in charge of anything higher than the local dog pound.
They are now trying to convince people that a Republican Senator using the internet to talk dirty to a( evidently willing) teen ager is more horrible than Pearl Harbor and 9-11 rolled into one. While a democrat that actually had oral sex with an employee in the white house and was impeached for lying about it was only an unfortunate incident. Talk about spewing coffee out your nose. Don't ever drink or eat while reading or listening to the comical democrats.
I don't defend the Senator in any way, I think they all should be in jail, in the cell next to Slick Willie.
This is what happens when there is no stupidity test for politicians and sexual deiviates of all types are accepted as normal, which they are not. Someone should be looking at the public. In recent months there has been a dozen or more incidents of 'teachers' raping students. Betting that 99 44/100 % of the teachers protected by the democratic anti-american NEA are democrats would be a sure winner.
None of it will matter if the cut and run democrats are returned to power. We will all be too busy fighting the terrorists in the streets of every city in America. They're here (and thousands more will just walk in when all the laws that protect us are repealed), just waiting for a favorable regime so they can attack. Again, want to bet it won't happen?
24. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 3:39 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 15:39
25. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 3:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Brian, you're being even dumber than I thought. Strom Thurmond is featured prominently on that list that you think so highly of, you've cited it TWICE.
Here's #3. You first dismissed a similar list because it had no links to substantiate the claims. Oops, the list I pointed to does. OK, next theory... now you've spotted one Republican who used to be a Democrat on the list. I'll grant you that... Thurmond (featured "prominently"???) was a scumbag too. Let's see, that leaves only 61 Republicans left. If we can disqualify them too, then everyone's happy! Huzzah!
I don't claim moral superiority for the Dems. Like others have said, 98% of all politicians are scumbags in one way or another. But the hypocrisy is proclaiming "progress" demonstrated by the leaders of the Republican party intentionally ignoring this issue, actively concealing it from the Democrats on the page committee, sitting by silent while Foley denied it, then acting only when the nauseating sickness of Foley's IMs are splayed across the airwaves. That's real progress.
You give dumbshit trolls a bad name, brian.
And the personal attacks continue...
25. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 3:57 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 15:57
26. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 4:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is what I'm talking about...was George Allen in the KKK?
This is what I'm talking about. What, you don't recognize racism unless the offender has a membership card?
Huh, let's see, Macaca vs a high-level Klan member
Yep, that's it. Just "macaca". Nothing more than that. Nosirree. Uh...
26. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 4:03 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 16:03
27. Posted by Jay Tea | September 30, 2006 4:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh, brian, were you the asshat who cut and pasted the entire list the last time, without links, and proclaimed that anyone who deleted it was endorsing pedophilia? Thanks; you gave me a good posting then.
I don't know where you get the impression that I downplay or dismiss or forgive Foley his transgression; the guy is obviously a scumbag, and I'd be thrilled if he spent some time behind bars.
But it says far, far more about you that you keep bringing up that list. It seems you are obsessed with two consuming hatreds: Republicans and pedophiles. And if you can combine those two, conflate the two in people's minds, all the better for you and your twisted fantasies.
Perversity knows no political affinity. If someone wanted to, they could probably find a similar list of Democrats. For example, former Department of Homeland Security deputy press secretary Brian J. Doyle, caught in a police sting last April, was a registered Democrat. But that would just be playing your sick little game, trying to say that political orientation ties into pedophilia.
Find a new meme, brian, or find a new place to comment. That's a suggestion.
The next time I have to say it, brian, it won't be a suggestion.
J.
27. Posted by Jay Tea | September 30, 2006 4:11 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 16:11
28. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 4:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
They are now trying to convince people that a Republican Senator using the internet to talk dirty to a( evidently willing) teen ager is more horrible... While a democrat that actually had oral sex with an employee in the white house
I'm not aware that anyone needs "convincing" that sexual harrassment of a child is more horrible than consensual sex with an adult (no matter how inappropriate you believe it is). Do you?
talk dirty to a( evidently willing) teen ager
Nice. Blame the victim, even when he's a child. I suppose you also support "actual oral sex" with a child, should they be "evidently willing". Sick.
Let's take another look at what this "evidently willing" teenager had to say, when he reported it to another Republican congressman, only to have his cry for help ignored:
the boy e-mailed a colleague in Alexander's office about Foley's e-mails, saying, "This freaked me out." On the request for a photo, the boy repeated the word "sick" 13 times.
28. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 4:14 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 16:14
29. Posted by Atomic Joe | September 30, 2006 4:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think this is a sad situation.
29. Posted by Atomic Joe | September 30, 2006 4:19 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 16:19
30. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 4:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh, brian, were you the asshat who cut and pasted the entire list the last time
Sorry to disappoint you, but no. I just came across the post describing it by following a link earlier today.
I don't know where you get the impression that I downplay or dismiss or forgive Foley his transgression;
I don't. What I respond to is your following that condemnation with a giant BUT, and then a) ignoring the accomplices who helped him cover this up, b) finding some way to turn this wholly Republican scandal into a dig at the Democrats, and c) attempting to find some way -- whether it be the supposed speed with which Foley resigned, or the baseless prediction that he would have been voted out anyway -- to ascribe a measure of decency and "progress" to this man and those who protected him.
It seems you are obsessed with two consuming hatreds: Republicans and pedophiles.
Only in response to those who have taken the position that Democrats are worse than Republican pedophiles.
And if you can combine those two, conflate the two in people's minds, all the better for you and your twisted fantasies.
Well, now I can just sit back and let the evening news do my dirty work for me. Bwaah-ha-ha-ha!
If someone wanted to, they could probably find a similar list of Democrats.
I'm sure they could. The list was cited, not to show that Democrats have moral superiority over Republicans, but to remind those on here who claim moral superiority over Democrats that, as you say, "perversity knows no political affinity".
30. Posted by Brian | September 30, 2006 4:35 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 16:35
31. Posted by Xennady | September 30, 2006 4:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So talking about killing someone is as bad as actually killing someone.Occasionally using racial slurs is just bad as being a recruiter for the KKK-what? Going to jail for sex with minors is equivalent to writing emails about having sex with minors.Huh? Groping multiple women-and maybe raping one-is equivalent to saying out loud that there is a pubic hair on your carbonated beverage.Sure! There is only one party with a culture of corruption in this country,and it ain't mine.
31. Posted by Xennady | September 30, 2006 4:51 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 16:51
32. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 4:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Those lousy democrat criminals should bless the Lord that they have a country to live in that doesn't put the entire breadth of them in jail. All democrats are pedophiles. All democrats are liars and terrorist sympathizers.
If Slick Willie walked down my street I'd hit him with my shoe and scream at him. We can't let these dems take office. Our party is the party of the righteous. Everyone should get a uniform and join their local conservative organizations, grab some torches and find dems like the townspeople found Frankenstein. I will dye my hair black and white like the bride of Frankenstein, pull my black silk dress out of the closet and my disco dance shoes and set out into the night after the dem terrorists. As I dance down the street I will invite local neighbors to grab my silk pantied buttocks and scream "halleluljah."
32. Posted by Scrapiron | September 30, 2006 4:54 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 16:54
33. Posted by robert | September 30, 2006 5:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Didn't Barney Frank run a homosexual stud service out of his pad?
I forget the details, but someone will remember.
33. Posted by robert | September 30, 2006 5:10 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 17:10
34. Posted by Steve of Norway | September 30, 2006 5:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is what I'm talking about. What, you don't recognize racism unless the offender has a membership card?
This is the crux of the problem when people throw around racism like it's going out of style. George Allen, to my knowledge has never espoused:
-Ethnocentrism
-Xenophobia
-Hatred of those who believe in miscegenation
Now,I've never heard of Edward Sabornie, but just like Lt. Ehren Watada, I believe there's an agenda at play here when you go to one of Oprah's sexiest men alive, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga of all people, to dish out this so-called dirt about a sitting Senator. Kinda like John and Alice Martin "accidently" taping Newt Gingrinch and John Boehner and *gosh* just gave that tape to one Jim McDermott back in 1996. What a coincidence. Gee, Jim McDermott was sitting on the House Ethics committee on Newt's "ethics violations", which we now know were complete bunk. And John and Alice Martin? Why they were active democrats in Florida.
34. Posted by Steve of Norway | September 30, 2006 5:43 PM |
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Posted on September 30, 2006 17:43
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