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Ducking the real issues

Over at Murdoc's place, he has a piece up about the calls for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign. It got me thinking, and as is my wont, I started looking at it from a technical historical perspective.

Cabinet officers serve at the pleasure of the President. They are appointed by him (with Congressional review), and serve as long as he wishes to keep them in office or they wish to depart. There are only a few ways for a cabinet officer to leave office:

1) Death.

2) Resignation (either voluntarily or at the "request" of the President).

3) Change of president.

4) Impeachment.

The last has been attempted exactly once -- when Secretary Of War William Belknap was caught up in a bribery scandal. He got word the House was about to reveal his corruption and resigned on the morning of March 2, 1876. Five hours later the House, infuriated their actions had been revealed, impeached him anyway. Belknap was eventually acquitted by the full Senate, but the widely-held opinion was that many of those who voted for acquittal felt that since the only punishment for conviction was removal from office and he had resigned anyway, the matter was moot.

(No, I didn't know this before today. The story of Mr. Belknap came to my attention when I plugged "can cabinet officers be impeached?" into ask.com.)

So, some people want Mr. Rumsfeld out of office. Killing him is kind of illegal, changing presidents won't achieve much in the short term (Cheney would likely keep him on, and the next presidential election isn't for another 2 years), and there isn't much evidence to hang an impeachment on -- especially when it's looking more and more like the Republicans will keep at least one House of Congress, and even if the Democrats win, they'll have a very slim majority.)

That leaves the resignation option, so that's what they're playing right now.

But that's overlooking the elephant in the room. Most of those who denounce Rumsfeld on a regular basis (along with Karl Rove) don't, I suspect, don't give a damn about either of those two men. They are seen as extensions of President Bush, and he is their real target.

There are two schools of thought for bringing down the powerful. The first is the "cut the head off the snake" principle -- an extension of the Machiavellian "when you strike against a king, be sure to kill him." Attacks on someone vastly powerful better be damned sure to succeed, else the retaliation will be ferocious.

The other is a bit more subtle -- the "pecked to death by ducks" approach. It's a slower, more gradual, more subtle tactic. Don't directly attack, but chip away at the perimeter, staying below the level of open assault. Be at best a nuisance, but never stop picking away at the perimeter, going after not the king, but those the king depends upon. Eventually, if enough nibbling is done, the king will fall much like the famous Saddam statue in Baghdad.

Personally, I don't care much about Rumsfeld or Karl Rove or any of the others Bush has chosen as his advisors. I respect Rumsfeld for his forthright, honest speaking ("you go to war with the army you have" and "but there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know" are actually very profound insights, but hardly originals), and Karl Rove recently went after a spammer who was harassing subscribers to President Bush's campaign site. But never forget that these gentlemen -- and other cabinet officials -- are, for all intents and purposes -- extensions of the President. He is ultimately accountable for their conduct, their actions, their decisions. And to repeatedly "call for their resignation" or "demand they be frog-marched out of the White House" are simply the impotent flailings of those who don't quite have the gumption or ability to vent themselves against the true target of their fury.


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The world is full of "bitch... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

The world is full of "bitch and moaners", but damn few courageous leaders!

Here,Here MSMC Pilot. Was... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Here,Here MSMC Pilot. Was just watching the news (FOX(and they had a Dimwit (truly) from the Clinton era and a Republican on. The dimwit did nothing but scream for the entire broadcast and refused to let the republican say a word. As with Clinton's losing it last week, the entire democratic party has progressed from Hate to insanity.
The reporters on the networks have got to get a handle on these idiots, give them a switch to close the mic or the crazies sent out by the democrats take over the program. There have been dozens of dimwit crazies on the past few months. Yep, just what we need, a bunch of screaming crazies running the country.

I don't have any details to... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I don't have any details to back this up, but Rumsfeld to me seems like a man who is working within his given parameters. Basically I think he was told by Bush to do this war on a shoestring budget. So he's working to that. In others minds, if that was the case, you resign and go running to the Press to lay blame. Perhaps Rumsfeld is oldschool and is just doing his job as it is laid out in front of him.

"..especially when it's loo... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"..especially when it's looking more and more like the Republicans will keep at least one House of Congress.."

Have you see the latest polls, but I am sure that:
Family Values Foley
State of Denial
Cover-up Hastert
Pork Loving Allen
Will turn that all around?

Hey Barney -Anybod... (Below threshold)
cmd:

Hey Barney -

Anybody from the

Rapist Clinton
Pervert Studds
Child Porn Reynolds
Murderer Kennedy
Klansman Byrd
Traitor McDermott

party hasn't got a f'n leg to stand on when it comes to sleaziness. But you just keep on hoping, pal, since it's obvious you people have nothing but BDS to keep you going.

cmd, got anything that's re... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

cmd, got anything that's relevent, TODAY! Maybe we should go back to Nixon or A. Johnson?

I found it interesting that... (Below threshold)

I found it interesting that both CNN and Fox News ran two (very dissimilar) pieces on Rummy this past weekend. The CNN piece was, as expected, a complete "hit job", while again, as expected, the Fox News piece was quite balanced and fair. They didn't canonize him by any means, but they pointed out his strengths (loyalty and being an ADULT seem to me to be his best points) and weaknesses.

And while we're on the subject, McGreevy was sort of "blanketing" the CNN map over the weekend as well - talk about a self-serving, dishonest jerk!

Don't forget that members o... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Don't forget that members of Bush's inner circle (Card, Powell, Laura (heh), others) have also suggested that Bush should "resign" Rummy. And Rummy himself has stated that he's resigned at least twice already, but Bush didn't accept them (whatever that means). So don't overlook those "impotent flailings".

BarneyG2000,Perhap... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

BarneyG2000,

Perhaps if the Dims EVER TOOK OUT THEIR OWN GARBAGE their old garbage wouldn't still reek so bad today.

Byrd - still around
Frank - still around
Kennedy - still around

Delay - resigned
Foley - resigned

You Dims HAVE NO SHAME. And yet you still manage feigned indignance over a Republican politician who may have done something wrong.

I'll be happy to listen to your "outrage" over Foley as soon as you guys get rid of your own scumbags whose dirt is all WELL KNOWN for years and yet they are all still in office.

Until then, STFU.

We are paying the toll for ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

We are paying the toll for Rumsfeld's mistakes with the lives of US soldiers, and the Republicans just don't care.

Right You piece of living s... (Below threshold)
914:

Right You piece of living shit..

Reject your premise Lee. Ha... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Reject your premise Lee. Had someone other than Rummy been in charge, in particular and afriad to fight and ready to surrendar leftist the death toll would be much higher and happening in downtown America rather than overseas in the torrists backyard.

The constant lying and backstabbing of the American service person by you and others on the Left shows me that Liberals like you are the ones that don't care except for your love of power. So far the Left gives me the distinct impression they would cheer the deaths of 1000 more service personnel if only it would win them an election.

You'll probably squeal that in't your position, but this veteran--and the men and I women (including my brother) who are over there now perceive that to be the Left position.

Lee,We're all gonna ... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

Lee,
We're all gonna die someday, coward. An Iraqi once said to me that if you are having a bad life, you should end it. I'm thinking you should apply this hard earned wisdom to yourself.

Sheik Yur Bouty:Dela... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Sheik Yur Bouty:
Delay - resigned
Foley - resigned

You forgot:
Ney, Resigned
Duke Cunningham, Convicted
Safavian, Convicted
Abramoff, Convicted
Libby Indicted

Sorry if I left any republicans off the list.

Rumsfeld made critical mist... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Rumsfeld made critical mistakes in the execution of the War in Iraq, and since then as well in post-war transition. Calulated decisions which cost American lives needlessly.

There is no reason to keep him in the job except for the political well-being of the Republican party.

In my mind, that's criminal. Deaths... in exchange for Republican votes.

How do you people sleep at night?

I don't sleep very well, bu... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

I don't sleep very well, but I blame that on my anatomy(snoring). As for Rumsfeld, I believe that any SecDef under Bush who carried forth the President's agenda would be stridently opposed. Just look at Colin Powell. As SecState we had a man unwilling to completely support the President who hired him, so instead of resigning set about undermining the administration. And he was adored by the media. He did, after all, know about Armitage and the Plame "leak", yet said nothing. Whatever criticism one may have about Rumsfeld, at least he is loyal.

BarneyG2000,Good g... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

BarneyG2000,

Good grief, I could get a more intelligent response from a steaming pile of e coli infected cow dung.

So what if I did not create an exhaustive list of Republicans with legal issues. I could have made a much longer list of Dims, too.

That was hardly the point and you would know it if you weren't so blinded by BDS or RDS. On the other hand, you could be deliberately evading my point because you KNOW that the Dims have been far more corrupt for decades longer than the Republicans and that does not fit your current talking point.

On the OTHER other hand, maybe you are that dumb.

Which is it?

I'm at work right now but c... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

I'm at work right now but can someone list the Ken Starr convictions?

I think the point is when Republicans get caught, they resign and when Democrats get caught, they stay.

Lee,Willfully cost... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Lee,

Willfully costing American and Iraqi lives is a move that would not get more republican votes, contrary to your assertion.

Ted Kennedy will be fully e... (Below threshold)

Ted Kennedy will be fully eligible for these kinds of lists just as long as Mary Jo Kopechne is still dead.

Oh, and BarneyG2000,<... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Oh, and BarneyG2000,

Mel Reynolds was one of your Dim scumbags. He was CONVICTED of having sex with a 16 year old campaign worker and solicitation of child pornography.

His sentence was commuted by your scumbag hero Bill Clinton.

Notice how that's not ancient history?

"Whatever criticism one ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Whatever criticism one may have about Rumsfeld, at least he is loyal."

So you're syaing he's a good lap dog?

Yes, of course -- when you have an adminstration that lies to the American people, loyalty is important. Colin Powell is criticized because the put the American people and the truth above blind loyalty to the crown.

Looks like Jay named this post correctly - note the conservative comments above which duck the real issue of Rumsfeld and his suitability -- in exchange for attacks on liberals, democrats, Kennedy, Powell (yes, Susie, -- these animals do eat their own), and anyone who dares suggest the Emperor has no clothes.

Yet another thread hijacked... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Yet another thread hijacked by Lee and friends.

*ssholes.

Reject your premise Lee.... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Reject your premise Lee. Had someone other than Rummy been in charge, in particular and afriad to fight and ready to surrendar

I reject your premise, which is that "someone other than Rummy" means someone who would have gone into Iraq with a less effective plan. Couldn't it also mean someone who would have gone into Iraq with a more effective plan? Such as the plans requested by the generals on the ground who Rummy chose to ignore?

I can understand (though don't agree with) defending "where we are today", and by extension defending the path Rumsfeld took to get us here. But you don't hear too many people -- left or right -- implying that if they could go back in time, "someone other than Rummy" couldn't have done a better job.

I think the point is whe... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I think the point is when Republicans get caught, they resign

You make this sound like honorable admissions of culpability, designed to begin the healing process. Don't forget that almost all of these resignations occur only after months of denials and continued lies, and typically upon (or in anticipation of) indictments, convictions, or having indisputable evidence splayed across the media (and sometimes not even then).

Of course, you will correctly point out that this description applies to many Democrats, as well. But your "our scumbag criminals are more honorable than your scumbag criminals" argument is a unique one.

Don't forget that almost... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

Don't forget that almost all of these resignations occur only after months of denials and continued lies, and typically upon (or in anticipation of) indictments, convictions, or having indisputable evidence splayed across the media (and sometimes not even then).

Brian are you talking Republicans or Democrats? But, in recent history republicans, have resigned and in some cases were cleared of any wrong doing. can you name a democrat who resigned (william jefferson?).

The corrupt Dems like LEE &... (Below threshold)
914:

The corrupt Dems like LEE & Barney are like the Dems in D.C.... They are a reoccurring bout of Herpe's that keeps coming back to F-up our live's!!

You all can tit for tat thi... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

You all can tit for tat this forever. When politicians are under the gun the first response, whether Republican or Democrat is either to lie or deny. They do this until hard evidence bubbles up, and it must be hard because they can otherwise spin heresay or counter with smear. Clinton lied until the DNA gave him no outs. Cunningham lied until the evidence spoke otherwise. This behavior is one of the unqiue traits that the right and left really share. I believe it's called politics. I always get a kick out of it when they do get busted though. Serves 'em right, and let them take their rightful fall. If they don't fall and manage to stick around however, then the system is jacked or the people are weak and/or misinformed.

I really liked Powell and can't stand Rummy, for very simplistic reasons. He said they knew where the WMD's were, and produced nothing. He also predicted the war would last "six days, six weeks. I doubt six months". No matter what I hear in the filter, these statements are so glaringly false I can't look past it, and tens of thousands of people have died. And I'm very tired of sound bite that if I don't agree with the direction we are going then I love terrorists. Man, that's getting really old.

I just LOVVVVVE how anti-wa... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I just LOVVVVVE how anti-war nits are now all of sudden learned and knowledgeable military strategists. And everyone's a genius or an idiot depending on two things: hindsight and your perspective.

Good grief, I could get ... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

Good grief, I could get a more intelligent response from a steaming pile of e coli infected cow dung.

No, you should leave your love life out of this.

BarneyG2000: How do you leave out Iran-Contra -- for you wonderful neoconservative people, that was back when You People were selling arms to Iran (you know, Iran, the "axis of evil" Iran?) -- when 31 Reagan staffers and associated whatnots were convicted and sentenced?

suhnami - I agree, on all c... (Below threshold)
Lee:

suhnami - I agree, on all counts.

From what I can witness, Wh... (Below threshold)
914:

From what I can witness, When a corrupt repub gets caught He resigns immediately...

When a corrupt Dem gets caught it's everybody else is out to get Me conspiracies and no resigning!! WTF

I just LOVVVVVE how anti... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

I just LOVVVVVE how anti-war nits are now all of sudden learned and knowledgeable military strategists. And everyone's a genius or an idiot depending on two things: hindsight and your perspective.

And everyone's a genius or an idiot depending on two things: Republican (genius) or Democrat (superman).

The idea that Democrats don't get, do or understand war is toilet-quality neoconservative propaganda. It's a fucking lie, repeated by people who don't care about God or truth or freedom or anything beyond extending the neocon reign. I'm a goddamn gun-owning US fucking Navy fucking veteran, and I'm not going to be told by some career coward neocon CIVILIAN sissy boy that I don't understand applied violence in the support of geopolitical aims, aka war, dickheads.

...which would mean a whole... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

...which would mean a whole lot more if I were an acutal Democrat; Democrats are just Republican Lite. If I could pull the plug on both of your fucking houses, I would.

It's a fucking lie, repe... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

It's a fucking lie, repeated by people who don't care about God or truth or freedom or anything beyond extending the neocon reign. I'm a goddamn gun-owning US fucking Navy fucking veteran, and I'm not going to be told by some career coward neocon CIVILIAN sissy boy that I don't understand applied violence in the support of geopolitical aims, aka war, dickheads.

OK, now that you've had your little hissyfit rhetorical rant, care to add anything substantive on how Democrats actually understand the enemy and the war at large? Or are you going to continue acting like a spoiled little five year old? (At that may be an insult to five year olds everywhere.)

The results of liberal (dem... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

The results of liberal (democrats) laws, liberal judges and BDS has shown itself the past few weeks. The antique MSM only hypes Iraq while more mass murders are occuring right here in the U.S. every day than there are per week in Iraq. Today we have another example of BDS in Pa. (several children slaughtered) A couple of days ago it was in S.C. (several children slaughtered)

I guess the results of the democratic laws that restricted the parents control over their children shoud now be evident to everyone. No disclipine and no morals left in the country. The atheists democrats are winning, if you classify death and destruction among american families as winning.

Exactly Scrapiron, There ar... (Below threshold)
914:

Exactly Scrapiron, There are way more murders in the U.S. then in a month of Sundays in Iraq,, But I guess there not as important cause they dont fit the playbook for the Kooks in the shamestream media.. TYVM

"Exactly Scrapiron" ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Exactly Scrapiron" blah, blah, blah. Just another attempt to steer the conversation away from the inconvenient truth about Rumsfeld and his failings. Quit "Ducking the Issues"... why is Rummie's ass worth saving -- and how many think (know) that Rumsfeld will resign anyway right after the election?

No, let's keep him in place for now. Sure, extending his failed appraoch to the War on Terror will cost American soldiers their lives - but we Republicans have an important election to win.

Forget the republican Mantra of "Let's War for Oil" - it's been replaced by "Let's let Amercians die so we can have a better chance of gaining votes".

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

Brian are you talking Re... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian are you talking Republicans or Democrats?

As I expressly noted in my post -- but you apparently chose to ignore so that you could make your perfunctory swipe at Democrats -- both.

But, in recent history republicans, have resigned and in some cases were cleared of any wrong doing. can you name a democrat who resigned (william jefferson?).

Again, those resignations came only after drawn-out denials, lies, indictments, and expected conviction. So no, I cannot name a Democrat who has yet followed that path of DeLay, Ney, and Cunningham. Should Jefferson be indicted, however, I fully expect that he will follow in their footsteps.

Lee...if ignorance is bliss... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

Lee...if ignorance is bliss then you must be the happiest SOB in the world.

I just LOVVVVVE how anti... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I just LOVVVVVE how anti-war nits are now all of sudden learned and knowledgeable military strategists. And everyone's a genius or an idiot depending on two things: hindsight and your perspective.

OK, now that you've had your little hissyfit rhetorical rant, care to add anything substantive?

You right Brian...I realize... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

You right Brian...I realized after I hit the send button that I screwed up.

But you are wrong about William Jefferson. He won't resign. If he does he will be the FIRST to do that.

From what I can witness,... (Below threshold)
Brian:

From what I can witness, When a corrupt repub gets caught He resigns immediately...

When a corrupt Dem gets caught it's everybody else is out to get Me conspiracies and no resigning!!

Your witnessing skills need some touch-up.

Neither Ney, Cunningham, nor DeLay resigned immediately. DeLay didn't even resign after he was indicted! And he sure spewed his share of "it's everybody else is out to get me" conspiracy theories!

OK, now that you've had ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

OK, now that you've had your little hissyfit rhetorical rant, care to add anything substantive?

Cute. But not overly clever.

I have plenty of criticism of Sec. Rumsfeld, but I'm not the one calling for his resignation. Democrats are. So YOU explain why.

There are way more murde... (Below threshold)
Brian:

There are way more murders in the U.S. then in a month of Sundays in Iraq,

OK, now you're just resorting to making sh-t up. You are wrong, and even your own side says so:

the violent death rate there is significantly higher than a "normal" murder rate, even a relatively high one such as Washington, D.C.'s

So YOU explain why.<... (Below threshold)
Brian:

So YOU explain why.

Because I agree with Card, Powell, and Condi. And with Rumsfeld himself.

I'm a goddamn gun-... (Below threshold)
Mark A. Flacy:
I'm a goddamn gun-owning US fucking Navy fucking veteran, and I'm not going to be told by some career coward neocon CIVILIAN sissy boy that I don't understand applied violence in the support of geopolitical aims, aka war, dickheads.

Fine, squid. I might listen to you if you start talking about control of the sea lanes and other facets of naval strategy.

That doesn't mean that you know dick about land warfare.

Brian,One of three... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Brian,

One of three things is happening here:
1.) Either your computer is stuck in Overly Clever mode
2.) I'm at a complete and utter loss as to what you think should be done with Rummy. And that means I haven't been paying close enough attention in this thread and should therefore shut up.
3.) I just turned 40 the other day and am now too feeble to remember the views of Condi, Card, et al without some sort of link to back it up.

I suspect 3 greatly. Though 2 is possible given the first sentence clause of 3. lol

Probably more of #1. Or my ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Probably more of #1. Or my mind is stuck in "other things need my attention more right now" mode.

Brian,OK. I really... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Brian,

OK. I really thought I was losing it there. And maybe I still am...

OK, now you're just reso... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

OK, now you're just resorting to making sh-t up. You are wrong, and even your own side says so:

So, Brian, you and the morally-corrupt dems think you know what's best for our country and you feel the corrupt dem laws are worth they're weight in gold. If you and the Clinton nazi dem movement had any morals at all you'd condemn your statements about Iraq and our President. I personally need only listen to the rightous people on my side to find the true substance of this argument. I can dress up in silk stockings and rouge blush all I want and do the salsa with a hunky Spanish dancer as I slip a single stemmed rose between my lips. My hips will sway to and fro as Tito Fuente plays his spicy salsa sounds. Sometimes I like to howl at passing cars while I pirouette in my tutu. But that's my business and you should be ashamed of your opinions.

I was about to add a somewh... (Below threshold)

I was about to add a somewhat humorous aside, a quote from an amazing movie in which Kevin Spacey stars, The Usual Suspects (I just recently watched it again): "How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?"
....
Am I the only one turned off by this entire thread? Violent spewing from the readers and trolls going back and forth. Ugh. Flacy, just because he was a squid doesn't mean that he knows squat about naval war tactics. We haven't had a full blown navy war since World War II. The Navy since then has been in a full support role, because we already own the oceans (us and our NATO allies).

Is someone else posting as ... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

Is someone else posting as Scrapiron? Cause that last message was just way to absurd to have been posted by someone who would actually put their own name to it.

I mean, I know Scrap-for-brains is usually pretty out-there, but this last one is way over the top.

We haven't had a full bl... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

We haven't had a full blown navy war since World War II.

I know why....we would kick butt.

Keep your opinions to yours... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Keep your opinions to yourself, Sean. You dems can characterize me any way you like, but you will always be the cowards you are. I'm free to express my opinion in my way, anytime, anywhere.

Scrap: Be proud of who you ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Scrap: Be proud of who you are - a true and shining example of the American conservative circa 2006.

I applaud your willingness to share your inner thoughts in such an open fashion, Scrapiron, and I find your comments inspiring and motivating. Please continue.

Lee, there is lying going o... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Lee, there is lying going on, but it is your side doing all of it. Secretary of Defense's always get criticized if they do their jobs. It is when they do nothing that nothing is said about them. Just check out the last one we had. The one before Rumsfeld. He sure had a brilliant career. By the way, is that Democrat who took the 100k dollar bribe still holding his seat in the House? How about his committed assignment? Is striking a police officer a felony? If you do not think it is, go out and do so. McKinney is a Democrat I believe. Didn't that Kennedy kid keep his seat while DUI. Where was MADD? Are those rescent enough for you, Bozo?

He said they knew where ... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

He said they knew where the WMD's were, and produced nothing. He also predicted the war would last "six days, six weeks. I doubt six months".

The WAR didn't last 6 months. Saddam was toppled quickly.

Again, those resignations came only after drawn-out denials, lies, indictments, and expected conviction. So no, I cannot name a Democrat who has yet followed that path of DeLay, Ney, and Cunningham.

Clinton. Rostenkowski. McGreevey. Reynolds. Frank. Studds. Traficant. Jefferson. All resignations after long protestations of innocence. Most have been convicted of their crimes.

BTW, the case against Delay --- as has been the case from the start --- is paper-thin. Heck, when one of your "indictments" are for a crime that wasn't a crime when the crime was allegedly committed, you have a partisan hack trying to make a name for himself
-=Mike

Someone with a clue about w... (Below threshold)

Someone with a clue about waging war could discuss the "mistakes" Rumsfeld has made with some nuance, some depth, that would include also what he has done right and why and would include a discussion of pros and cons for any alternative approaches.

That doesn't happen. What happens is that Rumsfeld is described as an obvious disaster. So obvious that the obviousness is too obvious to explain. So obvious that a failure to agree has to be explained by charging that those who don't condemn Rumsfeld want our soldiers to die.

And somehow those with military experience hate Rummy less than the general population hates him. Quite a few people actually like him rather a lot.

And instead of thinking, "Hmm... maybe the obviousness isn't quite as obviously obvious as I thought..." what?

Want up to date stuff "puck... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Want up to date stuff "pucker puss" (lee lee) and
"barney google"? How about old cut and run coward Jack "Ab" Murtha. Care to see the film on H&C of him in the Abscam case . Frigging crook got off by ratting on his buddies. Check it out you whiney pricks.

Get your finger out of your... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Get your finger out of your nose, jhow66, and we'd have an easier time understanding what you're trying to say.

Remember folks, you are arg... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Remember folks, you are arguing with a class of anti-american military bashing people that have convinced half of the American people that we have lost the war on Terror, while the outstanding United States military led by Rummie has convinced Usama that he has had his ass kicked in Iraq. Go figure.

Good to see that the writer... (Below threshold)
Sejanus:

Good to see that the writer is so well grounded in the historical aspects of the case. Try Tenure of Office act and the impeachment of President Johnson, very informative on the subject, as to why they impeached. The law was changed so the famously corrupt Albert Fall was simply arrested they didn't have to impeach him. History what a concept, agreed upon facts discussed rationally leading to opinion informed by precedent. Who am I kidding?
Clearly Democratic Party operatives in conspiracy with the liberal media elites have undermined public support for our incredibly successful war in Iraq and the splendid job Don Rumsfeld is doing. There is only one solution, in time of war, there is no room for debate or dissension, these voices of dissent no matter how well meaning must be silenced. Congress is out of control so it's up to the military to restore our political process to a smooth and orderly operation. Disagreement plays into the hands of our enemies so anyone who opposes or even questions this war's rational must be contained, by any means necessary, for their own good. The General Officer class has been fatally compromised by dissent in their own ranks so it is up to the junior officers, the only Americans with the experience and knowledge of the intricacies of the situation, to seize control and impose order until this national emergency passes.
It may seem draconian but I see no other way of preserving our cherished freedoms and liberties. We must sustain our President, our Commander in Chief, until he sees plan in Iraq come to fruition, and when that golden day arrives he can step aside, or not, and we can be proud knowing we have saved America from those that would destroy her.
Sejanus

Uhh "pucker puss" (lee lee)... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Uhh "pucker puss" (lee lee) you could not understand anything if I drew you a picture-dumbass. You need to have old "screw them" teach you how to be less of a Kos castoff.

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Robert:

American soldiers lives or help a moron President who defines the term "in over his head".

The Republicans have made their choice.

May God have mercy on their souls.




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