The world is full of "bitch and moaners", but damn few courageous leaders!

Here,Here MSMC Pilot. Was just watching the news (FOX(and they had a Dimwit (truly) from the Clinton era and a Republican on. The dimwit did nothing but scream for the entire broadcast and refused to let the republican say a word. As with Clinton's losing it last week, the entire democratic party has progressed from Hate to insanity.
The reporters on the networks have got to get a handle on these idiots, give them a switch to close the mic or the crazies sent out by the democrats take over the program. There have been dozens of dimwit crazies on the past few months. Yep, just what we need, a bunch of screaming crazies running the country.

I don't have any details to back this up, but Rumsfeld to me seems like a man who is working within his given parameters. Basically I think he was told by Bush to do this war on a shoestring budget. So he's working to that. In others minds, if that was the case, you resign and go running to the Press to lay blame. Perhaps Rumsfeld is oldschool and is just doing his job as it is laid out in front of him.

"..especially when it's looking more and more like the Republicans will keep at least one House of Congress.."

Have you see the latest polls, but I am sure that:
Family Values Foley
State of Denial
Cover-up Hastert
Pork Loving Allen
Will turn that all around?

Hey Barney -

Anybody from the

Rapist Clinton
Pervert Studds
Child Porn Reynolds
Murderer Kennedy
Klansman Byrd
Traitor McDermott

party hasn't got a f'n leg to stand on when it comes to sleaziness. But you just keep on hoping, pal, since it's obvious you people have nothing but BDS to keep you going.

cmd, got anything that's relevent, TODAY! Maybe we should go back to Nixon or A. Johnson?

I found it interesting that both CNN and Fox News ran two (very dissimilar) pieces on Rummy this past weekend. The CNN piece was, as expected, a complete "hit job", while again, as expected, the Fox News piece was quite balanced and fair. They didn't canonize him by any means, but they pointed out his strengths (loyalty and being an ADULT seem to me to be his best points) and weaknesses.

And while we're on the subject, McGreevy was sort of "blanketing" the CNN map over the weekend as well - talk about a self-serving, dishonest jerk!

Don't forget that members of Bush's inner circle (Card, Powell, Laura (heh), others) have also suggested that Bush should "resign" Rummy. And Rummy himself has stated that he's resigned at least twice already, but Bush didn't accept them (whatever that means). So don't overlook those "impotent flailings".

BarneyG2000,

Perhaps if the Dims EVER TOOK OUT THEIR OWN GARBAGE their old garbage wouldn't still reek so bad today.

Byrd - still around
Frank - still around
Kennedy - still around

Delay - resigned
Foley - resigned

You Dims HAVE NO SHAME. And yet you still manage feigned indignance over a Republican politician who may have done something wrong.

I'll be happy to listen to your "outrage" over Foley as soon as you guys get rid of your own scumbags whose dirt is all WELL KNOWN for years and yet they are all still in office.

Until then, STFU.

We are paying the toll for Rumsfeld's mistakes with the lives of US soldiers, and the Republicans just don't care.

Right You piece of living shit..

Reject your premise Lee. Had someone other than Rummy been in charge, in particular and afriad to fight and ready to surrendar leftist the death toll would be much higher and happening in downtown America rather than overseas in the torrists backyard.

The constant lying and backstabbing of the American service person by you and others on the Left shows me that Liberals like you are the ones that don't care except for your love of power. So far the Left gives me the distinct impression they would cheer the deaths of 1000 more service personnel if only it would win them an election.

You'll probably squeal that in't your position, but this veteran--and the men and I women (including my brother) who are over there now perceive that to be the Left position.

Lee,
We're all gonna die someday, coward. An Iraqi once said to me that if you are having a bad life, you should end it. I'm thinking you should apply this hard earned wisdom to yourself.

Sheik Yur Bouty:
Delay - resigned
Foley - resigned

You forgot:
Ney, Resigned
Duke Cunningham, Convicted
Safavian, Convicted
Abramoff, Convicted
Libby Indicted

Sorry if I left any republicans off the list.

Rumsfeld made critical mistakes in the execution of the War in Iraq, and since then as well in post-war transition. Calulated decisions which cost American lives needlessly.

There is no reason to keep him in the job except for the political well-being of the Republican party.

In my mind, that's criminal. Deaths... in exchange for Republican votes.

How do you people sleep at night?

I don't sleep very well, but I blame that on my anatomy(snoring). As for Rumsfeld, I believe that any SecDef under Bush who carried forth the President's agenda would be stridently opposed. Just look at Colin Powell. As SecState we had a man unwilling to completely support the President who hired him, so instead of resigning set about undermining the administration. And he was adored by the media. He did, after all, know about Armitage and the Plame "leak", yet said nothing. Whatever criticism one may have about Rumsfeld, at least he is loyal.

BarneyG2000,

Good grief, I could get a more intelligent response from a steaming pile of e coli infected cow dung.

So what if I did not create an exhaustive list of Republicans with legal issues. I could have made a much longer list of Dims, too.

That was hardly the point and you would know it if you weren't so blinded by BDS or RDS. On the other hand, you could be deliberately evading my point because you KNOW that the Dims have been far more corrupt for decades longer than the Republicans and that does not fit your current talking point.

On the OTHER other hand, maybe you are that dumb.

Which is it?

I'm at work right now but can someone list the Ken Starr convictions?

I think the point is when Republicans get caught, they resign and when Democrats get caught, they stay.

Lee,

Willfully costing American and Iraqi lives is a move that would not get more republican votes, contrary to your assertion.

Ted Kennedy will be fully eligible for these kinds of lists just as long as Mary Jo Kopechne is still dead.

Oh, and BarneyG2000,

Mel Reynolds was one of your Dim scumbags. He was CONVICTED of having sex with a 16 year old campaign worker and solicitation of child pornography.

His sentence was commuted by your scumbag hero Bill Clinton.

Notice how that's not ancient history?

"Whatever criticism one may have about Rumsfeld, at least he is loyal."

So you're syaing he's a good lap dog?

Yes, of course -- when you have an adminstration that lies to the American people, loyalty is important. Colin Powell is criticized because the put the American people and the truth above blind loyalty to the crown.

Looks like Jay named this post correctly - note the conservative comments above which duck the real issue of Rumsfeld and his suitability -- in exchange for attacks on liberals, democrats, Kennedy, Powell (yes, Susie, -- these animals do eat their own), and anyone who dares suggest the Emperor has no clothes.

Yet another thread hijacked by Lee and friends.

*ssholes.

Reject your premise Lee. Had someone other than Rummy been in charge, in particular and afriad to fight and ready to surrendar

I reject your premise, which is that "someone other than Rummy" means someone who would have gone into Iraq with a less effective plan. Couldn't it also mean someone who would have gone into Iraq with a more effective plan? Such as the plans requested by the generals on the ground who Rummy chose to ignore?

I can understand (though don't agree with) defending "where we are today", and by extension defending the path Rumsfeld took to get us here. But you don't hear too many people -- left or right -- implying that if they could go back in time, "someone other than Rummy" couldn't have done a better job.

I think the point is when Republicans get caught, they resign

You make this sound like honorable admissions of culpability, designed to begin the healing process. Don't forget that almost all of these resignations occur only after months of denials and continued lies, and typically upon (or in anticipation of) indictments, convictions, or having indisputable evidence splayed across the media (and sometimes not even then).

Of course, you will correctly point out that this description applies to many Democrats, as well. But your "our scumbag criminals are more honorable than your scumbag criminals" argument is a unique one.

Don't forget that almost all of these resignations occur only after months of denials and continued lies, and typically upon (or in anticipation of) indictments, convictions, or having indisputable evidence splayed across the media (and sometimes not even then).

Brian are you talking Republicans or Democrats? But, in recent history republicans, have resigned and in some cases were cleared of any wrong doing. can you name a democrat who resigned (william jefferson?).

The corrupt Dems like LEE & Barney are like the Dems in D.C.... They are a reoccurring bout of Herpe's that keeps coming back to F-up our live's!!

You all can tit for tat this forever. When politicians are under the gun the first response, whether Republican or Democrat is either to lie or deny. They do this until hard evidence bubbles up, and it must be hard because they can otherwise spin heresay or counter with smear. Clinton lied until the DNA gave him no outs. Cunningham lied until the evidence spoke otherwise. This behavior is one of the unqiue traits that the right and left really share. I believe it's called politics. I always get a kick out of it when they do get busted though. Serves 'em right, and let them take their rightful fall. If they don't fall and manage to stick around however, then the system is jacked or the people are weak and/or misinformed.

I really liked Powell and can't stand Rummy, for very simplistic reasons. He said they knew where the WMD's were, and produced nothing. He also predicted the war would last "six days, six weeks. I doubt six months". No matter what I hear in the filter, these statements are so glaringly false I can't look past it, and tens of thousands of people have died. And I'm very tired of sound bite that if I don't agree with the direction we are going then I love terrorists. Man, that's getting really old.

I just LOVVVVVE how anti-war nits are now all of sudden learned and knowledgeable military strategists. And everyone's a genius or an idiot depending on two things: hindsight and your perspective.

Good grief, I could get a more intelligent response from a steaming pile of e coli infected cow dung.

No, you should leave your love life out of this.

BarneyG2000: How do you leave out Iran-Contra -- for you wonderful neoconservative people, that was back when You People were selling arms to Iran (you know, Iran, the "axis of evil" Iran?) -- when 31 Reagan staffers and associated whatnots were convicted and sentenced?

suhnami - I agree, on all counts.

From what I can witness, When a corrupt repub gets caught He resigns immediately...

When a corrupt Dem gets caught it's everybody else is out to get Me conspiracies and no resigning!! WTF

I just LOVVVVVE how anti-war nits are now all of sudden learned and knowledgeable military strategists. And everyone's a genius or an idiot depending on two things: hindsight and your perspective.

And everyone's a genius or an idiot depending on two things: Republican (genius) or Democrat (superman).

The idea that Democrats don't get, do or understand war is toilet-quality neoconservative propaganda. It's a fucking lie, repeated by people who don't care about God or truth or freedom or anything beyond extending the neocon reign. I'm a goddamn gun-owning US fucking Navy fucking veteran, and I'm not going to be told by some career coward neocon CIVILIAN sissy boy that I don't understand applied violence in the support of geopolitical aims, aka war, dickheads.

...which would mean a whole lot more if I were an acutal Democrat; Democrats are just Republican Lite. If I could pull the plug on both of your fucking houses, I would.

It's a fucking lie, repeated by people who don't care about God or truth or freedom or anything beyond extending the neocon reign. I'm a goddamn gun-owning US fucking Navy fucking veteran, and I'm not going to be told by some career coward neocon CIVILIAN sissy boy that I don't understand applied violence in the support of geopolitical aims, aka war, dickheads.

OK, now that you've had your little hissyfit rhetorical rant, care to add anything substantive on how Democrats actually understand the enemy and the war at large? Or are you going to continue acting like a spoiled little five year old? (At that may be an insult to five year olds everywhere.)

The results of liberal (democrats) laws, liberal judges and BDS has shown itself the past few weeks. The antique MSM only hypes Iraq while more mass murders are occuring right here in the U.S. every day than there are per week in Iraq. Today we have another example of BDS in Pa. (several children slaughtered) A couple of days ago it was in S.C. (several children slaughtered)

I guess the results of the democratic laws that restricted the parents control over their children shoud now be evident to everyone. No disclipine and no morals left in the country. The atheists democrats are winning, if you classify death and destruction among american families as winning.

Exactly Scrapiron, There are way more murders in the U.S. then in a month of Sundays in Iraq,, But I guess there not as important cause they dont fit the playbook for the Kooks in the shamestream media.. TYVM