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Secretary Rice Makes Surprise Visit to Iraq

Reuters is reporting:

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice flew into Baghdad on Thursday for a previously unannounced visit, Iraqi officials said.


Rice has been on a tour of the Middle East, having already visited Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. She was likely to hold meetings with Iraqi government officials, including Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

With more on what's going on in Iraq, John at OPFOR has published moving letters between the father of a fallen American soldier and an Iraqi citizen.


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Comments (33)

It is a moving letter...how... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

It is a moving letter...however the tranqual post invasion picture does not reflect this
http://icasualties.org/oif/

And it was supposed ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

And it was supposed to nogo?

You just can't wait to pop ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

You just can't wait to pop the old bubbly when and if the toll hits 3000, right nogo?

You care not a fucking wit about any US soldier, so STFU.

I feel this insane women sh... (Below threshold)
Mark Blahut:

I feel this insane women should be locked up.
She is a criminal and a lier.
Have any of the wizbangers commented on the
lies this week from Condi?
All of the wingnuts need to start reading more
Blogs that tell the truth .
WIGNUTS is not the place to find the truth .
Lorie is the worst of all!

BLOOD FOR ODIN!... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

BLOOD FOR ODIN!

Mark, if there is lying goi... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Mark, if there is lying going on, you are doing it. Neither Condi nor Lori are known liars. By the post you left here, you join that dishonorable group of liars we sometimes have residence here. When you call someone a liar, you need to reference the lie, sort of like it did referring to your post. You, ofcourse, have factual proof that either Lori or Condi lied? Post it, or STFU.

Zelsdorf - If you need ME t... (Below threshold)
Mark Blahut:

Zelsdorf - If you need ME to post proof then
your not paying attention. When Lorie and Condie
wake up the lies start to flow. You just
refuse to want to believe the truth , its out
there everywhere.

You're both equally right a... (Below threshold)
FSP:

You're both equally right and wrong. First off, you're both biased goons. Second, Condi's a politician. Her job is based on trying to make awful things better. The only way the job works is if you dress up the truth a little bit to get what you want. It's this grey area that politics lives in, and it's this same necessary grey area that is the cause of all the angst & discourse, and rightly so. Personally, I don't like her any more than Hillary, but if it weren't her, it'd just be someone else doing roughly the same thing, which is what the position demands. It's a crappy situation our Prez has led us into. McCain 2008! Maybe there's a chance something positive can come from all this...

Peter my time in service wa... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Peter my time in service was 1969 until my medical discharge in 1972...from Dec 71-june 72 I was at Fitzimmons Army Hospital in Denver CO..
I was a part of the Nam debacle..That is why I know that the destruction of troops and their families and friends go through...
I know that you have no military service..
So you keep harping...you hang on to your illusions..but hey..how about going down to your local V.A. hospital...how about attending the burial of the next troop killed..
Tell me...What do You (not Bush) consider "winning" and how long will it take?

By the way ...next week I w... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

By the way ...next week I will be directly involved with this.. http://www.afsc.org/eyes/
It is a gesture of respect for our troops who have died...

nogo postal : The first and... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

nogo postal : The first and biggest win that could possibly come out of this would be to see the American People (all of them) for the first time since Korea support the troops. This is not happening and everyone knows it. Saying 'we support the troops' and doing it is entirely two different things. When someone leaks national security data or shows outright support for the terrorists designed to get more American troops killed, that is not support for the troops, maybe support for the enemy troops, but not for the American Troops.
Leakers and terrorists supporting politicians and the anti-american public (who do it for political purposes) have prolonged this war from being over in the first year or less to god knows how long and have been and are respondible for 75% + of the deaths in Iraq.

The second win will be to leave over 50 million + people in freedom that have never known it before. The current 'democrat's (deny it, but it's what the typical democrat loud mouth says every day) idea that we have our freedom, the hell with everyone else is a poor outlook on life and will result in the eventual loss of freedom in America.

I also served my 12 months in country in Vietnam + another 34 months in theatre support units. The 'same slime' that killed thousands of Americans in Vietnam and millions of Southeast Asians are now trying to do the same thing to the Middle East. The entire drive for 99% of the democratic politicians is 'personal' power and the hell with the masses. The insane and the anti-american wimps that keep them in office share the shame.

More people have turned into outright traitors to their country to satisfy their wounded ego (aka BDS) in the past 5 years than in the previous 200 year history of the country.

how about going down to ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

how about going down to your local V.A. hospital...

How about I play golf every Saturday with some 20 vets from the Seattle VA Hospital. I also volunteer. I started volunteering at the Dallas VA Hospital over 10 years ago before moving here.

And whether or not I have served in the military makes no difference whatsoever. It does not negate my ability to support or understand or empathize the sacrifice our troops and their families make each and every day, in war time or peace.

You of all people should know that winning in Iraq and Afghanistan and against all Islamofascists is the only true, honorable and meaningful way to honor the sacrifices our men and women have made. To call for their departure from the field of battle before that time, undermines, cheapens and demeans their sacrifice. I, and others, will not tolerate that from liberals, anti-war leftists or our government this time around.

And, finally, for health reasons (heart issues), I was rejected for service just after September 11 when I attempted to volunteer.

P.S. The exhibit looks inspiring. However, the motivations behind it I find deeply suspicious and specious.

Hey Zeldorf, Mark is right ... (Below threshold)
steve:

Hey Zeldorf, Mark is right she is a liar and the whole world will be aware of this soon. Secret visit to Iraq my .... She would rather even go to Iraq than come home and face the music. Take all the time you want Condi...Americans will be waiting.

Oh Zeldorf, here is the reference to the lie.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/woodward-cia-claim-confirmed/2006/10/03/1159641326330.html

There's about a 100 more if you like.

Right on Nogo Postal! Bush... (Below threshold)
Joe J:

Right on Nogo Postal! Bush and Cheney talk real tough but they hid under there mommies apron when it was time for them to go. The fact that they were elected (twice) is a sad commentary on our political system.

You're hilarious, Joe J:</p... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

You're hilarious, Joe J:

The fact that they were elected (twice) is a sad commentary on our political system.

Yeah that pesky democratic system, it'd be so much easier if we were communist. It seems there's only something wrong with the system when your candidate doesn't win.

Right?

I'm an independent voter He... (Below threshold)
Joe J:

I'm an independent voter Heralder. If you can't clearly recogonize that the Bush administration as driven this country into the ground then you are not paying attention or you must be wearing republican blinders. What is with the allegience to these guys. They are obviously incompetent and people continue to support them. The only thing they are good at is winning elections (thus my comment on the political system). Americans need to wake up and use their minds instead of blindly following their party. These politicians are playing us for fools.

What has the Bush team done for you in the last 6 years -- and don't tell me keep us from terriorist attacks -- the proof is lining up against that falicy as we speak.

P.S. Heralder. Co... (Below threshold)
Joe J:

P.S. Heralder.

Communism and Democracy refer to systems of government. The "Political System" refers to the members in power. Get out a dictionary before you start writing a critique.

steve:Hey Zeldo... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

steve:

Hey Zeldorf, Mark is right she (Condi) is a liar and the whole world will be aware of this soon.

Be aware of what, exactly? That she "lied" about...her hair color? No. Here, let me help. And I quote from an article that lovely Lee provided in another thread...(and I'll just pick-up my response in the other thread...)

The CIA briefing didn't provide the exact timing or nature of a possible attack, nor did it predict whether it was likely to take place in the United States or overseas, said three former senior intelligence officials.

So, no where, no when, no how, no time, no nothing. Zip, zero, nada, zilch. So Rice should've advised the President to fire something, hell, anything, tall in a white turban and dress?

And...

(Richard) Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism chief, Ben-Veniste and the former senior intelligence officials all challenged some aspects of Woodward's account of the briefing given to Rice, including assertions that she failed to react to the warning and that it concerned an imminent attack inside the United States.

Oops.

And...

Ben-Veniste said the commission was never told that Rice had brushed off the warning. According to Tenet, he said, Rice "understood the level of urgency he was communicating."

Double oops.

So...Rice doesn't recall what amounts to your average, run-of-the-mill daily briefing on threats where the threat was about as non-specific as it gets and you're calling her a "liar". That's rich.

Maybe you need to stop reading those all-too-brief overseas news reports.

Well Pete, I guess if it wa... (Below threshold)
steve:

Well Pete, I guess if it was a "run-of-the-mill" briefing (as you say) that must be why she didn't remember it (or even that the meeting with the CIA DIRECTOR took place). So at any rate, I guess there are a lot of us who wished she could remember things like this.

Peter F - You forgot <a hre... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Peter F - You forgot this one (re: Condi and lies):

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Rumsfeld, Ashcroft received warning of al Qaida attack before 9/11

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and former Attorney General John Ashcroft received the same CIA briefing about an imminent al-Qaida strike on an American target that was given to the White House two months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The State Department's disclosure Monday that the pair was briefed within a week after then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice was told about the threat on July 10, 2001, raised new questions about what the Bush administration did in response, and about why so many officials have claimed they never received or don't remember the warning.

One official who helped to prepare the briefing, which included a PowerPoint presentation, described it as a "10 on a scale of 1 to 10" that "connected the dots" in earlier intelligence reports to present a stark warning that al-Qaida, which had already killed Americans in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and East Africa, was poised to strike again.
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She knew it, she was told, she conveniently forgets.

I think we should have a National Security Advisor that is capable of remembering when she's told about a pending attack, don't you?

Joe J:If ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Joe J:

If you can't clearly recogonize that the Bush administration as driven this country into the ground then you are not paying attention or you must be wearing republican blinders.
What has the Bush team done for you in the last 6 years -- and don't tell me keep us from terriorist attacks -- the proof is lining up against that falicy as we speak.

Joe,

Truly, things have changed since the Bush presidency begun. We suffered through the worst attack on American soil in our history, from an enemy that can't be identified by country or by uniform. We've gone to war as a result.
No matter who was president when it happened...it'd be the most unenviable job in the world. There are tough decisions to be made and none have been easy on the American people.
As a result I believe many feel fact that things have changed for the worse since September 11th is the fault of the administration, not the terrorists.

Obviously, good leadership is tantamount in the response phase, and personally I feel we responded well. I may have made different decisions about Iraq, but mostly, I agree with security measures that have (or tried to have been) implemented since.

I don't agree with everything this administration has done, I have my critical thoughts about many things, but I place some of my blame in different places than you and many others. That makes a huge difference in how we view things, Joe.

If you feel our reputation sharply declining, or fighting in Iraq (regardless of how we got there) for a positive outcome is equal to running the country into the ground than I quite thoroughly disagree with you, and here's where we diverge.

We are at war, times are scary, people want to kill us, and it's not because of Bush.

I'll also have to disagree with you about being kept safe as an erroneous virtue of this administration.
You'll cite that apparently fighting terrorsism creates more terrorists as an example of why we're not safer, no doubt. Guess what, not fighting them will create more as well. If a cartoon or bare ankle drives less than moderate Muslims into a murderous rage, then there's very little we can do to to not create more.

I'd rather fight them than appease them. If you feel differently, please outline a plan that would have had everyone smiling and safe in the world after 2001.

The only thing they are good at is winning elections (thus my comment on the political system). Americans need to wake up and use their minds instead of blindly following their party. These politicians are playing us for fools.

They're good at winning elections because people vote for them. I, however, voted against Bush twice.

I agree that politicians play us for fools. Welcome to politics. Find a politician who isn't a politician and I'll vote for them.

Joe J:Com... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Joe J:

Communism and Democracy refer to systems of government. The "Political System" refers to the members in power. Get out a dictionary before you start writing a critique.

My mistake, I mistook the operative word, which gave it a different than intended meaning.

And here I was thinking I was perfect.

Lee (aka: cherrypicker),</p... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Lee (aka: cherrypicker),

First, I was quoting from the very article you linked (in a another thread) which apparently you have failed to read in its entirety.

I think we should have a National Security Advisor that is capable of remembering when she's told about a pending attack, don't you?

For umpteenth millionth time, daily briefings on threats and imminent attacks are routine and there WAS NOTHING specific in regards to when, where and how, about the pending attack. (See your beloved Aug 6 PDB, too.) So what would make this briefing so memorable? You tell me.

Lastly, since these briefings to the Nat'l Security Advisor are daily and similar to this, I can cut her some slack--particularly since (again) there was nothing specific. If Condi doesn't recall that specific meeting, well, it doesn't surprise me. Why? I have daily meetings with my staff, most of which are very routine like, say, a daily NSA meeting. If you were to ask me about a staff meeting 1.5 years ago, I'll be damned if I can remember what happened. And Condi has a helluva lot more on her plate to prioritize than I do. So frankly I don't blame her for not remembering or possibly forgetting a routine meeting.

Finally...

By your logic, Lee, I could quiz you on X that happened in your meeting 1.5 years ago, find people who recall telling you X yet you don't remember being told X. Therefore since you don't recall being told X, I can call you a "liar". Now what kind of crazy ass assumptive leap in logic is that...

"For umpteenth millionth... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"For umpteenth millionth time, daily briefings on threats and imminent attacks are routine and there WAS NOTHING specific in regards to when, where and how, about the pending attack. (See your beloved Aug 6 PDB, too.) So what would make this briefing so memorable? You tell me."

Apparently it wasn't memorable - first Condi lied and said it never happened, and when the State Department said, no - it did happen - Condi claims she didn't remember it. First she lies, then says she doesn't remember.

I'm impressed.

What exactly should be memorable to someone in her position (who is competent at least) is that "One official who helped to prepare the briefing, which included a PowerPoint presentation, described it as a "10 on a scale of 1 to 10" that "connected the dots"in earlier intelligence reports to present a stark warning that al-Qaida, which had already killed Americans in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and East Africa, was poised to strike again."

Described it as a 10 on a scale of 1-10. WTF!!! She doesn't even remember (or is lying) about something as important as this?

I would expect the National Securty Advisor to pay attention to something that has been described to her as this urgent. Apparently Republicans hold their officials to a lower standard.

The fact that the State Department confirms Condi requested that the same briefing be given to Ashcroft and Rumsefld proves it had importance to Condi at the time - she just forgot to do something about it -- or -- as has been suggested by others -- the adminstration sat back and let it happen so could then lie to the public about Iraq WMDs and have an excuse to invade Iraq.

Hmmm... Maybe Condi has some really important shoe shopping to attend to...?

Last week, while thousands of New Orleans residents -- dehydrated, hungry, desperate for relief under 90-plus degree heat waiting for an American response to the post-Katrina aftermath -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice found time to go shopping for some shoes at the Ferragamo shoe store in New York and take in a Broadway show!

"Lastly, since these briefings to the Nat'l Security Advisor are daily and similar to this, I can cut her some slack"

Nothing in the article said this was a routine, daily briefing.

And if the National Security Advisor isn't supposed to pay attention to notice that an imminent attack is pending - regardless of when s/he hears it -- what are they paying attention to? It's a National Security position, remember?

Why on earth wouldn't she pay attention to this? Oh yeah - a good shoe sale perhaps?

Please tell me you nutcakes plan to run her in '08. Please....

What exactly should be m... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

What exactly should be memorable to someone in her position (who is competent at least) is that "One official who helped to prepare the briefing, which included a PowerPoint presentation, described it as a "10 on a scale of 1 to 10" that "connected the dots"in earlier intelligence reports to present a stark warning that al-Qaida, which had already killed Americans in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and East Africa, was poised to strike again."

OK, again, where, when, how, what are the targets, what are the dots allegedly being connected? Nothing specific. Again!

On a scale of 1-10 this official ranks his own presentation a 10. Classic. Nice ego, but apparently it wasn't that memorable now, was it? But wait. It was enough for Condi to schedule a meeting on Sept. 4, 2001 (see below).

And if the National Security Advisor isn't supposed to pay attention to notice that an imminent attack is pending - regardless of when s/he hears it -- what are they paying attention to? It's a National Security position, remember?...Why on earth wouldn't she pay attention to this? Oh yeah - a good shoe sale perhaps?

It's maddening how you utterly ignore the very article you link.

You say: " she just forgot to do something about it-"..

She did?

Clarke told McClatchy Newspapers that Rice focused in particular on the possible threat to President Bush at an upcoming summit meeting in Genoa, Italy, and promised to quickly schedule a high-level White House meeting on al-Qaida. That meeting took place on September 4, 2001.

Granted it was too late by then, but no one could have known 7 days later what would happen. But she did do something about it.

Again, how the hell does not remembering equate to lying. It doesn't. Period. Lee, your leaps in logic would make Superman proud just by their sheer audacity.

And the Katrina has dick to do with what's being discussed here. So nice try at deflection and distraction, but you fail. Much like the rest of your post which so passionately ignores every rebuttal to your alleged argument that Condi is a "liar".

Finally...

Trust me, Lee, you don't want Condi running in '08. (Don't worry, she's probably not running.) A black Republican woman as President? Your party would collectively shit itself with fear over the votes lost.

Condi doesn't have a chance... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Condi doesn't have a chance at being elected to any office, ever. Not after this.

She said it (the meeting) never happened - she lied.

"You say: " she just forgot to do something about it-"..

She did?"

You say she did act - but she didn't act on the threat that was outlined -- instead she... "Clarke told McClatchy Newspapers that Rice focused in particular on the possible threat to President Bush"

Oops, wrong threat. More incompetence. Did she scramble the jets? Put the country on alert? No, she called a meeting.

She's either incompetent, or a liar, or both. I now see why you defend her so vehemently. She fits right in with the rest of the Republicans in the White House.

Lee, The answer to your que... (Below threshold)
Joe J:

Lee, The answer to your question is that she is incompetent (and a yes-man) like the rest of the Bush staff. That is the reason she (and they) are there. Rumsfeld, Cheney (and now Kissinger) are trying to make up for the past at the expense of present and future Americans. It is unbelievable that this could happen in a government that is designed to distribute power amoung its leadership. In the words of Abraham Lincoln "we must disenthrall ourselves and then we can save our country".

Condi as president, I'd say that is a joke but it isn't -- as you can see Bush is now our president. American voters need to use their minds.

She has just as much chance... (Below threshold)

She has just as much chance as she ever did, Lee. I don't think she'll run, however. I've never thought she would run.

Lee,Oops, wrong... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Lee,

Oops, wrong threat. More incompetence. Did she scramble the jets? Put the country on alert? No, she called a meeting.

Even for you, that's the most braindead, overreaction to a non-specific threat that could possibly be imagined. Scramble jets? To where? Over what? What should they look for? What are the targets, if any? Just stupid Lee.

And you're feckless, hapless, hysetrical, conspiracy-driven loon who fits right in with all the other feckless, hapless, hysetrical, conspiracy-driven loons in your so-called party.

Peter, please take a deep b... (Below threshold)
Joe J:

Peter, please take a deep breath and try to use your mind to see what is right in front of your face for the last 6 years. You've been brainwashed by Fox News -- free yourself to think on your own.

Joe J:My mind was ... (Below threshold)
Peter F:

Joe J:

My mind was freed from it's long time and deeply liberal shackles at 8:45am, Sept. 11, 2001.

You still haven't learned a thing.

Pete, What is the correlati... (Below threshold)
Joe J:

Pete, What is the correlation?

Given my obvious intellectu... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Given my obvious intellectual inferiority because I dare watch Fox News every so often, you should be able to figure it out.




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