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Democrats Have a Plan to Impeach Bush and Cheney if They Take Back the House

Yes, impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney. The plan is already in place should the Democrats take over the House:

A plan is in place to censure and impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Orchestrated and organized by the radical Left and Congressman John Conyers, Jr., this plan is ready to go should the Democratic Party take control of the House of Representatives in November.


The plan is the ultimate manifestation of left-wing hatred for George W. Bush rooted in the contentious election of 2000. Since failing to defeat Bush in 2004, the Left has focused its efforts on destroying his presidency by assembling a list of charges aimed at impeaching him.

Impeachment plans began seriously coalescing in 2005, after the NY Times published classified aspects of the NSA surveillance program. In mid- December of that year, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-CA, asked a group of presidential scholars whether President George W. Bush had committed an impeachable offense when he authorized the NSA foreign surveillance program. John Dean, the long-time Bush critic of Watergate fame provided Boxer with the answer she and most other Democrats were looking for: "Bush is the first president to admit an impeachable offense," he said.

Around the same time, Senator John Kerry, D-MA, told a gathering of 100 Democrats that, should they capture the House in 2006, there would be a "solid case" for impeachment based on President Bush's "misleading" the American public over prewar intelligence. Kerry was picking up where another prominent Democrat had, on November 1, 2005, left off. On that day, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid called a rare closed Senate session with other Democrats to look into the "misinformation and disinformation" used by the Bush administration to justify Operation Iraqi Freedom.

If the Dems take over the House, successfully impeach and convict President Bush and Vice President Cheney, guess what would happen as a result. President Nancy Pelosi.

It sounds far fetched, but that appears to be the Democrats' plan:

They've already introduced H.Res 635 (complete with 37 Democrat cosponsors) to investigate articles of impeachment, H.Res. 636 (18 cosponsors) to censure President Bush, and H.Res. 637 to censure Vice President Cheney.

Greg Tinti informs us that the nutroots desperately want it to happen.

Don't forget, if the Dems take over the Senate, they could conceivably get what they want. It would be political suicide, but I don't think they care about that. They want power, and they don't care how they get it.

Today, the Washington Times published an article, which reports that conservative voters may stay home on Election Day:

The Republican Party can stave off defeat with a strong turnout on Nov. 7, party leaders are telling the faithful -- but they are finding it tough to sell that message to some disillusioned conservative voters.

"The message hasn't gotten across because a lot of people are sick and tired of thinking the only reason for going to the polls is to vote for the Republicans because they are lesser of two evils," said Tom McClusky, vice president for government affairs at the Family Research Council (FRC), a leading social conservative group.

"Conservatives aren't motivated to come out, is what I'm finding," said conservative campaign consultant Rick Shaftan, who is based in Sparta, N.J. "They see no reason to re-elect the people who are in office."

A top Republican pollster confidentially echoed those sentiments.

"There are very definitely trouble signs in many states of what we call the 'LRs' -- the lethargic Republicans," said the pollster, who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity. "They are unhappy with the president and have little love lost for Congress."

There's little danger that such voters would switch to the Democrats, but "the real problem is that they won't vote at all," the pollster said.

Those conservative voters considering staying home may want to rethink their decision.

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Comments (78)

I can think of no better re... (Below threshold)

I can think of no better reason to vote Democrat in the upcoming elections.

Such a move would finally expose their perfidy and we can get on with the revolution.

It doesn't matter if Republ... (Below threshold)

It doesn't matter if Republicans stay home if *more* Democrats stay home.

Midterm elections like these have rotten turn out in a normal year. Most people just don't bother. I wonder if they've talked to people who normally vote in midterms to find out if fewer of *them* plan to vote this time.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is a sour thing, but a person has to not care if the greater of two evils wins before they're going to sit it out because of that. The sort of person who doesn't care probably has a mirror in the other party who also doesn't care. Sure, people are annoyed at the Republicans, but are they any *less* annoyed at the Democrats?

I don't think so.

If the Democrats want to wa... (Below threshold)
Diane:

If the Democrats want to waste time & impeach Bush (just like they thought it was a waste of time to impeach Clinton); Bush & Cheney could only be removed from office with the Senate's approval---which is not going to happen.

If true crimes were committed & the evil Bush & Cheney team realize they are "caught", surely Bush would do like Nixon & have Cheney resign, name a new VP, & that would prevent Pelosi from becoming President. Thank God for a system.

However, hopefully the Democrats will use their time more wisely (if they become leaders) to finally come up with a plan for security, world peace, the terrible economy, health care & all the other things they think are in such terrible shape.

So what? The Democrats won... (Below threshold)

So what? The Democrats won't have the votes to get rid of either one. Neither one is running again. Their reputations are already pretty much in shreds. Every Republican running for President in 2008 is going to run as the anti-Bush. If anything, the Democrats playing the impeachment game will keep Bush motivated to veto the silly stuff the Democrats hope to pass once they get control.

And as a motivational ploy to get the GOP all riled up to keep the Democrats out, you're presuming the GOP rank and file cares about Bush? He doesn't care about us, why should we go to the mat to keep the Democrats from adding a chapter to his already pathetic legacy?

Do you think anyone one be ... (Below threshold)
drlava:

Do you think anyone one be talking impeachment if WMD had been found? If our country wwould have been protected on 9-11? If the job in Afghanistan had been completed. If our country wouldn't have been humiliated in front of a gasping world audience at the NATIONAL RESPONSE of Katrina? If the anthrax killers would have been caught? If 60 million more people were without healthcare than in 2000? If Osama Bin Laden had been caught? If 2000 of our brave guys weren't dead in the shithole in Iraq for NO REASON?? because Bush HAS NO PLAN-HAS NEVER HAD A PLAN?? If this adminisration hadn't lied and lied and lied.

If you people are really Americans why don't you stand up for America. Take your balls out of your purse and quit getting your marching orders from Ken Mehlman and Sean Hannity.. a fine couple of candyass chickenhawks.. Its time to stand up for our country and quit taking it up the butt from George Bush.

We have a great country and our great country is in dire need of some serious help right now. It's way past time for some folks around here to get some self respect.

This morning I heard a cons... (Below threshold)
Lee:

This morning I heard a conservative radio personality suggest that "As bad as we Republicans are, the Democrats are worse". How sad it must be to have your party reduced to the lesser of two evils.

That's the reason the Republicans are trying to scare you into voting - suggesting that bad and evil things will happen if you don't.

It's pathetic. Now Republicans can clearly see how their party is the party of hate and fear-mongering.

Now Republicans can see how they've been lead around by the nose - scared in to believing that there is an "Axis of Evil" --

-- that Saddamm had WMDs,

-- that the media lies to you

-- that's its all a big joint Democratic Party/Terrorist conspiracy

-- that the big bad bogeyman will get you if you don't do what they tell you to do.

And now - President Pelosi - lol! What a joke, what a sad, pathetic joke the Republicans are pulling on the American populace.

It's more than pathetic, it's un-American.

Well, I've just been convin... (Below threshold)

Well, I've just been convinced it's necessary to vote this election. I'd been planning anyway, but this cinches it.

President Pelosi? God, we'd be SO fucked if that happened. It almost seems like they keep thinking that BUSH is the cause of trouble in the ME, that if he weren't President then everyone would be rational actors and play nice... when the history of that region shows that notion to be a fairy tale. They keep trying to persuade me that the Dems have a clue - but this is damn near as clueless as it's possible to be short of a lobotomy, because it completely ignores the world situation in favor of petty politics here at home.

Damn. I'm supposed to vote Dem for THIS shit?

To succesfully remove the P... (Below threshold)
retired military:

To succesfully remove the President after impeachment procedings they need at least 66 votes from Congress. There just isnt any way they will get it. They may impeach, like Clinton was impeached, but they are smoking serious dope if they think they have any chance for Pelosi to be President.

Ah yes, in Lee's America, e... (Below threshold)

Ah yes, in Lee's America, everything the left does is patriotic-American-as apple-pie. That's how it works in your warped brain of yours...

"but they are smoking se... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"but they are smoking serious dope if they think they have any chance for Pelosi to be President."

They don't believe it for a second, RM - they are lying to try to get people to get out and vote.

In my world, Steve, that's un-American.

If the impeachment thing do... (Below threshold)
bob:

If the impeachment thing doesn't work, the Dems can always arrange for Bush and Cheney's bodies to be found in Fort Marcy Park, dead of "apparent double suicide." Presto! President Pelosy!

These kind of things do happen when the Dems get desperate.

Mike Rogers, Kos, Glenn Gre... (Below threshold)

Mike Rogers, Kos, Glenn Greenwald, George Soros, Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton...they're *truth* tellers huh Lee. You are such a tool.

"Now Republicans can cl... (Below threshold)
Diane:

"Now Republicans can clearly see how their party is the party of hate and fear-mongering." It's like the old saying--One man's "trash" is another man's "treasure". What you see as "hate & fear-mongering", I and others see differently.

Do Republicans & Conservatives hate? You bet! But you make it sound like we hate Democrats & their supporters. What we hate is most of their ideas or the fact that there are no constructive ideas if the Dem party takes leadership. But we still think of Dems/Libs as our brothers & sisters in America & that's why we are willing to send our family members & friends to wars, even the ones you don't believe in. It hurts us when many outspoken Dem/liberal bloggers treat Republicans/conservatives, Bush, etc. as if they are the scum of the earth, lower than terrorists. We don't get that lack of being in the same family.

What you see as "fear-mongering" we see as being realistic, "getting it" when it comes to extremely violent Muslims who exist in almost every countryin the world in greater numbers than most people realize. Does Bush make this crap up? No, anyone can hear it straight from the mouths of different pro-Jihad leaders around the world, including Iran's leader. This has been going on for years, & will keep going on for years, even if all members of Congress are liberals. WAKE UP!

YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!</p... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!

I honestly wish some of you had to try being president, with every moron in the country thinking he/she could do a better job. Someone has to make tough decisions and it doen't get any easier with the media second guessing every one you make. It's real easy to say what ought to be done, when you don't have to suffer the consequences of your actions. Opinions and assholes, everyone has one and most are full of the same thing. Kind of reminds me of all those talking heads at the sports events who always seem to know what happened and should have happened, after the play is finished. I always want to tell them, that if they are so damn smart, why aren't they down on the field.

We have a tremendous economy ( and don't tell me how your neighbor isn't doing well, because I don't give a shit), low unemployment, stock market is raising, gas is down, etc., etc., etc., but everybody hates Bush. What in the hell would it take to satisfy you people.

This is news? They've been ... (Below threshold)

This is news? They've been just dying to get even for the legitimate impeachment of Hill Billy Boy.

What's news is that the Rep... (Below threshold)
Lee:

What's news is that the Republican drive-by bloggers are trying to convince you that there is more than a snowball's chance in hell that Pelosi will become President.

There isn't.

BE AFRAID, MY FELLOW REPUBL... (Below threshold)
JimK:

BE AFRAID, MY FELLOW REPUBLICANS! REWARD THE INCOMPETENCE OF TODAY'S GOP BY VOTING FOR THEM OUT OF FEAR OF WHAT THE DEMOCRATS MIGHT DO IF ALL THE PLANETS ALIGNED JUST SO!

This is really getting desperate...can't we talk about anything the Republicans have done that makes them worthy? Is all we have really "But they aren't Democrats!" and "Nancy Pelosi! Nancy Pelosi!"

"can't we talk about anythi... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

"can't we talk about anything the Republicans have done that makes them worthy?"

I repeat:

"We have a tremendous economy ( and don't tell me how your neighbor isn't doing well, because I don't give a shit), low unemployment, stock market is raising, gas is down, etc., etc., etc.,"

I would also add that there have been no terrorist attacks on US soil, none of our embassys have been blown up, and none of our ships have been bombed.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!

I'm gonna get a "Bush 2008"... (Below threshold)

I'm gonna get a "Bush 2008" bumper sticker and put it on my car.

It would be soooo worth it. (I don't do bumper stickers.)

We've got two years until the next presidential election and everything is *still* anti-Bush all the time. (As it was even before 9-11 so don't try to tell me it's got even the remotest thing to do with what he's done as president.)

Gee, I thought the presiden... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Gee, I thought the president and vice president were supposed to be elected or something. I don't remember conspiracy and political coup being discussed as legitimate paths to the White House during high school civics. I must have missed that class.

The interesting thing to me is what happens if the looney left actually pulls this off. If Lee's wet dream comes true, and President Pelosi presumes power with Vice President Clinton, I think we'll all be discovering exactly why our founders wrote the 2nd Amendment.

It would be like the dog finally catching the bus. After they immediately surrender to the islamofascists, they'll have to either repeal the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments and put troops in the street, or find other countries to hide in. I, for one, won't put up with a political coup, and I won't be alone. My ancestors didn't fight in the Revolutionary War to have a cabal of political loonies take over our government. MoveOn.org will seem like the Cub Scouts compared to the revolution in the streets, and I'll be out there with them. The Defeatocrats will be in charge of the goverment, but they won't be governing anybody without coercion. It takes consent of the governed.

While all this happy horses**t is going on, we'll be in the crosshairs of every whacko terrorist on the planet. But what the hell, the Democrats will finally have the power they've sold their souls for. While it lasts. The only question is how much damage to our country they will do in the meantime.

If the Democrats want to reassume power, they should earn it and get themselves elected, not steal it by conspiracy like a bunch of vicious, bitchy schoolgirls.

Is this Moorewatch or Wizba... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:

Is this Moorewatch or Wizbang

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH... (Below threshold)
JimK:
THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!

I wish I could feel that way.

When the economy thrived under Clinton, we all said that the President has little to do with the economy. Now it's all due to Bush and the GOP? Come on. Falling gas prices aren't the responsibility of the White House either.

I give credit to Bush for a lack of terrorism against us other than Iraq. I agree with the drain-the-swamp concept. However, I think it's a travesty that Rumsfeld is still making decisions. So do a lot of commanders who are still on the ground in Iraq.

Now...tell me, in 2006, why Republicans DESERVE to keep their jobs based on the job that CONGRESS has been doing. The 2006 elections are about Congress, not the White House. Tell me why the Rpeublicans deserve to keep control of Congress. Show me how they've earned it. Give me positive reasons and never, EVER mention a Democrat, and maybe I'll be able to see it your way.

Trying to scare people into voting Republican is the EXACT same lame tactic that the Dems tried when they ran Kerry. "But! But he's not Bush!"

It was pathetic when they did it, and it's twice as pathetic when we do it because we're supposed to know better.

"The interesting thing t... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"The interesting thing to me is what happens if the looney left actually pulls this off. If Lee's wet dream comes true, and President Pelosi presumes power with Vice President Clinton, I think we'll all be discovering exactly why our founders wrote the 2nd Amendment."

I wouldn't support Pelosi as President for a split second. She's wholly unqualified.

Also - there is no Democratic plan to make that happen. There is no Democratic plan to kick Bush and Cheney out of office.

Yes, there will be hearings. It called "accountability" - Our Country - - all of us -- need accountability from our elected officials.

All the hearings will do is bring out the truth - and we ALL know we've been lied to, so a little truth won't hurt.

Just so people can learn a ... (Below threshold)
JimK:

Just so people can learn a little...How gas prices work.

JimK,(1) GWOT: NSA, ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

JimK,
(1) GWOT: NSA, terrorist detaiment act ...
(2) Judges: Robert and Alito - are you going to get this with the Dem congress?
(3) Lower taxes - economy

Those are 3 big positive reasons that you definitely won't get with the Dems.

I know you will find plenty of other reasons to complain (eg. immigration, spending etc...), but you will get it worse with the Dems in addition to losing the big 3 above.

All the hearings w... (Below threshold)
JimK:
All the hearings will do is bring out the truth

If you believe that, you're an idiot. For every Republican lie, you can count on a Democrat lie to match. Only an idiot believes otherwise. The hearings will be a lot of public nothing, waste a lot of money, further the split between Red & Blue, Left & Right, Liberal & Conservative.

Which, of course, is the point of all this. People aren't worried about doing the right thing. People aren't voting for the best people for the job. They are cheerleading for their team.

And the team captains are LOVING the growing divide because it means more fundraising, more PACs, more 527s, more consultants, more air time...more power for the machine, (R) or (D).

If you're cheerleading your team just because they're yours...you are part of the problem.

My $0.02 anyway...

I wouldn't support Pelos... (Below threshold)

I wouldn't support Pelosi as President for a split second. She's wholly unqualified.

Also - there is no Democratic plan to make that happen. There is no Democratic plan to kick Bush and Cheney out of office.

You're such a disengenous dink Lee...and look into John Conyers from Michigan. Either you wish to turn the cheek or you really don't know jack since he's been getting himself ready for impeachment hearings.

(2) Judges: Robert... (Below threshold)
JimK:
(2) Judges: Robert and Alito

Good point. I like both of these gentlemen...excellent point, thank you for reminding me.

JimKIf you need to... (Below threshold)
Rory:

JimK

If you need to be reminded of the important things, and supporting your fellow Americans while they are fighting overseas, ans who don't NEED the Cin C impeached while they're trying to win it-

Well you are not worth it, we don't need you, and the Republicans need to stop catering to you and your ilk.

Whiners and haters-go join the Democrats-that's their bag not appreciating, complaining 24/7 and always searching out the negative.

The most they've got going for them is a palpable hatred and if you are not bothered by that -

then there is something wrong with YOU.

"Now Republicans can clearl... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

"Now Republicans can clearly see how their party is the party of hate and fear-mongering." - Lee

======================================
"I HATE Republicans and everything they stand for" - Howard Dean.

Lee, would you please stop confusing your own party's leaders with ours? You look like a dang fool when you do that.

Ah - I knew Lee couldn't re... (Below threshold)

Ah - I knew Lee couldn't resist and his opening paragraph was a real pearl.

"How sad it must be to have your party reduced to the lesser of two evils."

How sad it must be for his party to be the worst of two evils. hahaha.
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And I'm still having trouble understanding Sturm's "we" statements.

"What in the hell would it ... (Below threshold)
kirktoe:

"What in the hell would it take to satisfy you people."

A good question but one with an obvious answer: nothing would EVER staisfy them. When gas prices go up they complain that Bush' oil buddies are gouging the American consumer. When they go down they complain that Bush and his oil buddies are rigging the election. Remember when John Kerry said Bush should "jawbone" the Saudis on 2004? Then the prices came down and it was an election trick. LOL.

They complained that not enough jobs were being created then when the number went up they wailed that the jobs didn't pay enough.

They say they champiion the poor but attack Walmart which provides the materials that poor people can afford (and provides jobs to them).

It's a useless effort to try and satisfy liberals. Hillary couldn't. What makes us think anybody else can.

Oyster-That's just... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Oyster-

That's just a reflection of that selfish, know it all attitude....

Only he and his views reflect the "base".

You know there's a lot more... (Below threshold)

You know there's a lot more than just the three issues that "LoveAmerica Immigrant" brought up.

1) What about the illegal immigration issue? Do you want illegals voting in the '08 election? because if it isn't easy enough for them now, the Democrats will make it easier given enough power.

2) What about energy? How do they plan to become energy independent with no nuclear plants, no wind mills, no indigenous drilling, etc.?

3) What about taxes? Do you want the tax cuts repealed?

There's a lot more.

Either the leglislation whi... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Either the leglislation which the dems have introduced, per the post, are meant to lead to the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, or it's a horribly cynical ploy to attack them.

Which is it, dems? Either way, it's no way to acheive a majority of decent citizens voting for you in the long run.

Like the Palestinians, you dems will find a way to overplay your hands, and go back to minority status. Since your IDEAS don't sell.

Such a move would finally e... (Below threshold)
seamus:

Such a move would finally expose their perfidy and we can get on with the revolution.

Ha! Please! You gutless bitches have been throwing that talk around since the first Clinton term. Hell you even had your right wing, nutjob hero Timmy McVeigh make the first move. Your messiah pointed towards the door and you jitbags didn't have the guts to leave the temple.

Well you are not w... (Below threshold)
JimK:
Well you are not worth it, we don't need you, and the Republicans need to stop catering to you and your ilk.

Thank God most Republicans aren't stupid enough to listen to you. You sound EXACTLY like a radical, netroots Democrat.

Great job with the big tent, Mr. Tolerance.

3) What about taxe... (Below threshold)
JimK:
3) What about taxes? Do you want the tax cuts repealed?

No, but how about we even PRETEND to reduce spending and you know...be conservative? Tax cuts plus record spending is not what a conservative should be supporting.

JimK, So you would ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

JimK,
So you would rather have higher taxes and higher spending with the Dems?

So you would rathe... (Below threshold)
JimK:
So you would rather have higher taxes and higher spending with the Dems?

Did I say that? No. So why would you intentionally distort my words? You're trying to get my vote based on fear, not accomplishment. You can't scare me with 'But the Democrats will be worse!" Why can't people get past that? I, and millions upon millions of others, are sick of voting AGAINST a party or a person. We want someone to vote FOR. Someone we can be proud of, not someone we choose because they might suck a little less than their opposition.

So how to conservatives let the GOP know we're serious about say, fiscal conservatism...by rewarding them with yet another successful campaign season? How exactly are we supposed to get their attention if they continually violate conservative principles and tell us "Vote for us or the Dems win, so suck it, America!" ???

JimK-You started w... (Below threshold)
Rory:

JimK-

You started with this-passing judgement on those of us that are appreciative and positive-

If you're cheerleading your team just because they're yours...you are part of the problem.

Then you've got this complaint-

When the economy thrived under Clinton, we all said that the President has little to do with the economy. Now it's all due to Bush and the GOP?

Clinton had the luck to preside over the economy during the Tech Boom.

Bush navigated the economy trough-

The Tech Bubble.

The 9/11 attacks {Which it is crass but it cost the economy-the travel industry-fairminded people will acknowledge that}

And the largest disater to hit America in 100 years Katrina-preceded by Rita-which I am not sure where that ranks on the scale.

I think Bush can take some credit for that.

Also people with your negative attitude aren't that motivated to vote, volunteer or "cheerlead" so you sitting out-BIG DEAL-I'm sure it's a trend.

Jim, it is hard to think of... (Below threshold)
Diane:

Jim, it is hard to think of positives when we are bombarded with negatives all day long with the media. Not only do Republicans need your vote, but it is really about America--she needs your vote. So here goes...

Postivies--US gov't (Rep.led)last few years:
1) Kept America Safe--GOP SEES there is a need to do so & understands without safety we will lose many freedoms (Sharia Law)
-Strenthened military (& respects military)
-Patriot Act
-Approved military Tribunals--sees that foreign suspected terrorists are not Am. citizens
-Brought vote to Congress floor to force reps. to express whether they really supported the troops or not.
2) Lowered Taxes to grow economy
3) Approved 2 fine men for Supreme Court & many other great appointments on other court levels
4) Stayed out of Kyoto
5) Confirmed John Bolton, a strong American, at least temporarily to try to help clean up the corrupt UN. (Dems seem to trust the UN completely.)
6) Cleaned up Big Corporation False reporting standards (after Enron)
7) Tried to work with Democrats initially--i.e., Kennedy Education Bill (called the Bush Education Bill when it doesn't seem to be working)
8) Tried to get approval for drilling in Anwar & off Gulf coast of Florida (next to Cuba's rigs)
9) Medicare Drug Plan--Expensive, but an attempt to help health care, which has worked out better than expected
10) More $ to AIDS in Africa than ever before
11) Were not "wishy-washy" or "flip-floppin" every week---may not agree with Bush, especially, but at least one knew where he stands
12) Placed minorities & women in many high positions---strongly support black candidates at all levels--

Vote because we STILL NEED TO WORK ON:
1) Immigration (will be more conservative than any Dem plan)
2) Balancing budget without using money from Soc. Security in the mix as it was in the 1990's
3) CUT PORK (some Repubs were terrible, but Dems will certainly not be better at this) Remember in the past 6 years we have had to pay for 9-11/wars in the ME/Katrina
4) Drilling in Anwar
5) Line Item Vetos
6) More judge app'ts, etc.
7) Korea, Islamo-facists, etc.

What's a "jitbag?"... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

What's a "jitbag?"

Abraham Lincoln said "To st... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Abraham Lincoln said "To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men. Anyone who is willing to blindly trust those in power shouldn't be living in a democracy.


Take democracy for granted, and the authoritarians, who have already taken control, will take American democracy where no freedom-loving person would want it to go. But time has run out, and the next two or three national election cycles will define America in the twenty-first century, for better or worse."

Abraham Lincoln said "To st... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Abraham Lincoln said "To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men. Anyone who is willing to blindly trust those in power shouldn't be living in a democracy.


Take democracy for granted, and the authoritarians, who have already taken control, will take American democracy where no freedom-loving person would want it to go. But time has run out, and the next two or three national election cycles will define America in the twenty-first century, for better or worse."

Oh now it's your a fiscal C... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Oh now it's your a fiscal Conservative-

Well wars cost money-of course since YOU aren't in it you'd like to fight two wars on the cheap.

Then two disasters hit Katrina the BIGGEST in 100 years , right after Rita and you don't want to pay for that.

The Economy, the defecit and a government can be a DYNAMIC ENTITY-it's NOT STATIC.

At the times of crisis which Bush has had MORE than his fair share of a government has to ADAPT.

Throughout history during WAR TIME the government of our country has survived this long by adapting, and expanding tofit the changes. In good time the government can size down when there is not TWO WARS to fight, and disasters to recover from-give the President a break it has not been The Best of Times.

Also not all government spending dissappears down the drain-it can actually stimulate the economy.

Furthermore you probably have a beef with prescription drug benefit BUT longterm it's probably cheaper to maintain people's health by making sure they can afford the drugs they need rather than letting them slip into states of health that would cost the health care system even more.

If you want to crucify the President for his compassion there then go right ahead but it's relatively a small beef considering what the Democratic options on the economy would be.

You believe the Democrats when they say that they are going to fix the defecit!?!?!

You think Democrats are the capitalists?

You think Democrats are for small government?

You think you pay TOO MUCH TAXES NOW!!????!??!

So you believe the Democrats are going to magically start caring about the deficit, and NOT raise your taxes?

How are they going to do that?

They are going to screw the military-which you don't give a damn about because you are not immediately involved and you are safe at home and thankless.

Hey "pucker puss" (lee lee)... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey "pucker puss" (lee lee) you don't have a life. If it were not for Wizbang no one would know what an idiot you are.

civil-You don't kn... (Below threshold)
Rory:

civil-

You don't know the first thing about Lincoln.

Lincoln publicly supported the arrest of Vallandingham for protesting the war. The sentence was commuted and he was banished.

I don't see Bush banishing Lee or you to Canada.


jhow66Cripes it's ... (Below threshold)
Rory:

jhow66

Cripes it's obvious Lee is the "Last of the Unemployed".

Ghad these people have me so mad I can't even spell deficit consistantly.

Jesus Jim! ou'd think you ... (Below threshold)
seamus:

Jesus Jim! ou'd think you were some kind of Barney Frank humping, Che t-shirt wearing, Fidel's beard combing commie pinko the way these nut jobs have responded to you. It's funny, the more scared and desperate the righties get, the more they start attacking their own. It would be sad if it weren't so damn funny to watch. And such a great thing for America.

Or consistently, for that m... (Below threshold)
seamus:

Or consistently, for that matter.

JimK, I just simply... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

JimK,
I just simply followed your logic. You would rather not vote for the Rep this cycle. It means that you would rather see the Dem win. The consequence of a Dem congress is higher taxes and even higher spending.
I am just asking a question. Is this your logic? If not, what are you trying to imply?

Diane, a nice list you have... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Diane, a nice list you have there. Thanks.

Hey Wingnuts how are things... (Below threshold)
Live@9:

Hey Wingnuts how are things going for ya? It's been awhile since I've posted here and I see not much has changed. I've been busy manipulating that evil MSM for a living. The only difference I see from a month ago here is there are less posts per thread and you right wing guys and gals seem to be a bit screechy and desperate. Here is my prediction, Americans will soundly turn away from the conservative movement (which really hasn't been conservative for some time now) at the polls Nov 7th. I predict that America will not fold, will not fall down, and will not be destroyed just because the political pendulum has swung back away from the right and more toward the center. The sun will come up in the east and set in the west and the banks and stock market will stay open.

Now it's up to Diebold as to how many seats are lost. Heaven help us if our (and I mean our right, center and left) democracy is toyed with by the code heads at the right wing Diebold company. Can you say treason? Can you say civil disobedience? How would a national work stoppage affect your bottom line? Remember "if you ain't got nothin' you got nothin" to lose."

You would rather n... (Below threshold)
JimK:
You would rather not vote for the Rep this cycle. It means that you would rather see the Dem win.
No, it most certainly does NOT meant that, and it's that sort of simple-minded nonsense that has ruined politics in this country and is threatening the very fabric of the republic.

The Republicans deserve to lose Congress.

HOWEVER. SEPARATE STATEMENT. ALSO. Are you getting that the following sentence is disconnected from the first, and that both can be true at the same time?

The Democrats do not deserve to win control of Congress.

What I want are Republicans that act like Republicans, not Bushpublicans that act like Democrats who happen to be pro-war. I fail to see how rewarding the Bushbots and criminals we currently call the GOP will ever affect any change at all.

Yes, there are similar scum on the other side, but that is, as I said, a separate issue. I'm voting for one Democrat this election cycle...Joe Lieberman. It's not like I'm staying home or abandoning all Republican candidates. My point was, and continues to be, we *have* to stop the team cheerleading and start voting for the best candidates. Since we on the right pride ourselves on being smarter, more honest and committed to better ideals which, if properly implemented would improve America for all Americans, we should be demanding better candidates *NOW*, not 2, 4 or 6 years from now. Instead all I hear lately is fear, uncertainty and doubt, and that's NOT coming form the press, it's coming frm right wing bloggers and the RNC.

To Diane: EXCLELLENT response! You have indeed reminded me of a few more things that I had forgotten over the past few months. Thank you.

See, people? It's possible to talk about positives and accomplishments without ever mentioning Democrats and what they *might* do. Diane proved it. I'd love to see bloggers all over the blogosphere take those ideas and goals and talk more about them instead of trying to scare everyone with the Boogey-Pelosi.

Jim fail to see... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Jim

fail to see how rewarding the Bushbots and criminals we currently call the GOP will ever affect any change at all.

Grow up.

Also -saying that you know commanders that are in Iraq badmouthing Rumsfeld-in your first post-you can let them speak for themselves.

I have no respect for people that use language like "Bushbots" while they think that THEY are the true Republicans and at the same time pretending to speak for commanders over in Iraq.

Speak for yourself. Don'y try to gain authority by proxy through the commanders you supposedly know over in Iraq.

JimK, After a long ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

JimK,
After a long post, I am still not clear about what you want to do. Are you going to vote against the Rep this cycle? Are you demanding better candidates by allowing the Dems to win this election cycle? Since the Reps are not giving you 100% of what you want, you wouldn't vote for them?

You claimed that the Reps deserve to lose this election cycle. It means that you would rather see the Reps lose this election. Then the Dems win by default even you don't think they deserve to win. This is the logical conclusion of your arg: you would rather see Dems than Reps win Congress this cycle.
Can we agree on this now? This is your own logic.

Rory, are you reading what ... (Below threshold)
JimK:

Rory, are you reading what I actually write, or what you *think*I am writing? because you;re not making any sense. I never said I personally know anyone in Iraq...if I do, I do, if I don't, I don't. I said I knew commanders on the ground were saying that bad decisions were being made. We all know that is true.

See, I read these things called news reports. I read a LOT of them, from hundreds of pagers and dozens of agencies. I read milblogs. I try to pay attention to what people who know more about it than either you or me are saying.

So there's that.

Also, up a little higher you seem to be under the impression I am sitting the election out. Where'd you get that idea? Oh, I know...you made it up in your head, because I never said it. In fact I said the opposite.

Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit, so this'll be my last communication with you on this issue...too many people are saying good, insightful things for me to waste my time with someone who can't understand what is being discussed.

you would rather s... (Below threshold)
JimK:
you would rather see Dems than Reps win Congress this cycle.

*sigh*

Nevermind, I guess. I really can't say it any plainer than I did. Both things are true. Apparently you live in a binary world where things are completely one way or the other. So...uhh...nice chatting with you I guess.

In fact...I have to get up mighty early in the morning, so it's been nice hashing this out with everyone. Except Rory. 'Night all.

JimK, BTW let 's no... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

JimK,
BTW let 's not waste more time on this dancing. In the real world, either the Rep or the Dem will control congress in the next 2 years. We simply don't have a 3rd alternative.
You would rather have the Rep or the Dem control congress? Let 's be honest here.

Oh you read the MSM and mil... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Oh you read the MSM and milblogs....

I'm part of the active duty community and believe me there are plentyof Bushbots in the military.

I've long ago predicted tha... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

I've long ago predicted that President Bush will not be impeached but could well be the first President to commit suicide while in office. I'm not trying to be mean or wishing for this but I'm just saying considering the situation, the facts, his denialist out of touch with reality personality it could happen.

A Pelosi presidency looks like a real possibility. It will be nice to finally have a President that the whole country will respect....you know since Republicans respect the office no matter who is in.

Anyway I hope indeed some accountability will be invoked. I suspect some significant eye-opening events in the course of the impeachment hearings. Ideally Bush and Cheney will simply resign rather then put the country through the process. There's a lot of work to be done considering what a mess the Republican slobs have made of our country.

However, hopefully the Demo... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

However, hopefully the Democrats will use their time more wisely ....

Posted by: Diane


Yeah like the Repugnikans did with Clinton chasing him down for 20 year old events, firing people in the travel office and for a personal issue......SORRY SWEETY ITS PAYBACK TIME and this time the crimes are real, people have died and our country has been set back 10 years. Time won't be wasted if these two criminals resign as they should.

I think you're wrong about ... (Below threshold)
Pat:

I think you're wrong about what happens if Bush and Cheney are impeached.

First of all, Nancy Pelosi wouldn't automatically become President. That's if Bush and Cheney die.
In the event that they're impeached successfully ( convicted - Clinton was impeached, remember, but not convicted ), then the President would be elected by the vote of Congress. And unless I'm wrong, a REPUBLICAN would have to be chosen.

It would be like the dog fi... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

It would be like the dog finally catching the bus. After they immediately surrender to the islamofascists, they'll have to either repeal the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments and put troops in the street, or find other countries to hide in. I, for one, won't put up with a political coup, and I won't be alone. My ancestors didn't fight in the Revolutionary War to have a cabal of political loonies take over our government. MoveOn.org will seem like the Cub Scouts compared to the revolution in the streets....

Posted by: bobdog


Looks like you just made the top of Pelosi Enemy Combatants list for Extraordinary rendition to a blackops site in an unknown country....tssk tssk.

Rory, you also can't spell ... (Below threshold)
Lovin' it:

Rory, you also can't spell "consistantly" consistently. It's a good thing being literate isn't a requirement for armed service, else Bush would have to impose a draft on all of the blue states.

Nov. 7th, bitches.

Lovin'itF u f stai... (Below threshold)
914:

Lovin'it

F u f stain!

Did I spell that correctly??

muirgeo, you're OK with was... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

muirgeo, you're OK with wasting the last two years of Bush's presidency with concocted political theater in the middle of a global war? You're OK with Nancy Pelosi as president? Is that how you think Democrats should return to power?

I don't care how much you hate Bush. Some things are just plain wrong, and they transcend partisan politics. Taking over the country with political manouver like some real-world John Grisham novel is one of them. All politics and all bullshit aside, I can think of few things that would do more damage to our country.

"A Pelosi presidency looks ... (Below threshold)
Chasen:

"A Pelosi presidency looks like a real possibility. It will be nice to finally have a President that the whole country will respect...."

Muirego, I do hope you're not serious. I think conservatives dislike Pelosi even more than liberals dislike Bush. Even a lot of democrats I know don't like Pelosi.

Some of the commentary here... (Below threshold)

Some of the commentary here is downright funny. Muirgeo being flat out hilarious.

JimK, I wholly understand your chagrin. I feel it too. But this is a little more serious than that. If you think the situation is untenable now, wait until the Dems get control. The last thing we need is more gov't control, more entitlements and every state on our southern border with Mexico ruling by default of numbers of illegals. And do we really want Congress tied up in hearing after hearing in which nothing constructive will be done?

Sometimes I don't think the Dems want control, but "revenge" for losing control. Just read Muirgeo's comment again - "PAYBACK TIME".

And look at "live@9"'s comment - "...just because the political pendulum has swung back away from the right and more toward the center." The center? Over the past few decades the overall political atmosphere has been drifting left and further left. What these people call the "center" now was not too long ago the "left". What is now called "liberal" used to be "socialist". The classic definition of liberal is lost and gone. Being a liberal now is firmly in the socialist camp and now a significant number of those who call themselves liberal are outright leftists. Gov't healthcare, more gov't regulation, gov't seizing of "windfall profits", multiculturalism, PCism, coerced self censorship, etc.

None of us wants to vote against the other guy. We all want someone to vote for. But that's not the reality right now. Want to end up further left? Then stay home or vote Dem. It's as simple as that. Or vote Republican and quit being the silent portion of the citizenry. Start demanding they behave as the conservatives they claim to be.

The Dems have held the microphone for far too long even in a Republican majority government. Quit whining and start making demands and forcing accountability. The liberal leftists in this country speak loud and clear to their candidates and their candidates listen to them. We need to do the same thing. We have a voice now. A voice other than just an occasional op-ed piece in a newspaper. And we need to use it.

I'm blogging on it pretty m... (Below threshold)

I'm blogging on it pretty much nonstop. All that keeps running through my head is SPEAKER PELOSI - and God forbid, anything happens to our President and Vice President - oh it's just too horrid to contemplate!

Rory is on active duty in t... (Below threshold)
seamus:

Rory is on active duty in the military? I'm beginiing to undersatnd why we're losing the war. Do we have no standards anymore?

If they try this and succee... (Below threshold)

If they try this and succeed (fat chance!), they will find themselves losing the House, Senate and Presidency in 2008 by margins that will cripple them for decades.

If Pelosi becomes President... (Below threshold)
seamus:

If Pelosi becomes President, do you think she'd make it legal to kill Bush "conservatives" and eat thier children? If so, sign me up!!!!!

November elections please h... (Below threshold)
justice58:

November elections please hurry!

Can you say Nancy Pelosi? Ahhhhhhhh it sounds so good!

"I'm blogging on it pretty ... (Below threshold)

"I'm blogging on it pretty much nonstop. All that keeps running through my head is SPEAKER PELOSI - and God forbid, anything happens to our President and Vice President - oh it's just too horrid to contemplate!"

Trust me Gayle, nothing will happen to your president or vp. The devil takes care of his own;)

Oh, and Gayle, I will tell you what's too horrid to contempplate: Two more years of a bunch of boy chasing, money grubbing thieves in control of our government!

Better "boy chasers" than i... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Better "boy chasers" than illegal leakers like Harman.
-=Mike
...Seeing as Foley, again, did not actually commit a crime.

Better "boy chasers" than i... (Below threshold)
semua:

Better "boy chasers" than illegal leakers like Harman.
-=Mike

Really, Mike? Something we need to know about you personally? Or are you just demnstrating the absolute lack of morals and ethics common to Republicans everywhere?




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