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CNN's Shameful Decision

Just a few posts below, Lorie has a fantastic post in which she expands on CNN's shameful decision to air the footage of terrorist snipers taking out unsuspecting US troops.

Today the Washington Post Times (Sorry folks. I knew it was the Times, but for some reason, my fingers had minds of their own today) weighs in with an editorial that excoriates CNN for showing the video and for John Kerry for defending it:

A new Hollywood movie about the battle of Iwo Jima opened last week right about the time CNN began airing footage it obtained from terrorists showing U.S. soldiers being killed with sniper fire. It is a fitting contrast. The movie tells the story of the three surviving GIs who were immortalized on film raising the flag over Mt. Suribachi. The CNN tape shows the exact opposite: Instead of heroism, we see unsuspecting American soldiers being dropped one by one. No flag raising, no glory; just another dead U.S. soldier.


Of course the Mt. Suribachi photograph is a distortion. The United States did win the battle, but long after the flag had been raised. In fact, three of the flag raisers would never leave the island alive. In 36 days of fighting, there were more than 25,000 U.S. casualties -- one out of every three men -- of which nearly 7,000 were killed. By comparison, in the Iraq war's 1,680 days, the United States has lost 2,800 troops. Yet that single photograph further roused Americans to keep confidence in final victory.

Which brings us to Sen. John Kerry's defense of CNN's decision to air the terrorist footage: "As painful as the images of war are, it's important to understand what soldiers go through." If there had been a CNN equivalent in 1945, would it have been important to air footage of Japanese machine guns mowing down GIs as they waded ashore? Imagine watching hundreds of Americans being killed in one day of battle. Japan's imperial government couldn't have asked for a better propaganda weapon. The impact on a war-weary America would certainly have been emotionally crushing for those with sons and husbands still in battle, and might well have played in to antiwar sentiment. But it is much more damaging today when the nation is not as fully united as it was during World War II.

But let's take Mr. Kerry and CNN at their word and assume that this type of footage has journalistic merit. It follows that CNN should also have shown its hours of footage from September 11. We're talking about the people trapped in the World Trade Center who decided to jump and the other grisly images most Americans have never seen. Or what about the tape showing Iraqi terrorists beheading Nick Berg? CNN has kept this footage locked away out of some faux sensitivity for Americans' fragile spines. The only way one can see the full horror of September 11 and other terrorist carnage is by downloading amateur videos off the Internet.

In a mind-numbing article on Sunday, Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi also defended CNN's decision, because, as she understands it, Americans are too dim to appreciate the reality of war. "Without a draft, it is easy for the rest of the country to tune out casualties," she wrote. "Much of what is seen on television makes war feel as bloodless as a video game."

This sort of forced logic does a poor job of masking CNN's and its defenders' real motives. Their goal here is to undermine the war effort, even if that means being a mouthpiece for terrorist propaganda.

I'm still sick about CNN treating our troops in battle as enemy propaganda. I can't imagine how parents with sons and daughters in Iraq must have felt watching the video of that brave soldier being shot. Yes, CNN blocked out the part where the bullet hit the soldier's head, but they then showed him slumped and possibly dying. How disgusting. And they actually have the nerve to act like showing this terrorist snuff film was some kind of noble deed.


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Comments (96)

The Republican hypocrites w... (Below threshold)
Lee:

The Republican hypocrites weigh in again. They label the MSM as liars and biased players -- but if there is something in the MSM they like they link to it and quote it.

Republicans will lie and say anything to get your vote.

It's time for a change.

Keep letting cnn know how y... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Keep letting cnn know how you feel everyday. Waiting for "pucker puss" (lee lee) to chime in 5---4---3---2--

The single most powerful we... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

The single most powerful weapon the terrorist have is the left-wing press. Without press coverage there would be no purpose for terrorist acts.

See!!!!! He even beat the c... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

See!!!!! He even beat the count. But what can you expect from someone that lives in the land of the "happy" ones.

Have the soldier's parents/... (Below threshold)
gattsuru:

Have the soldier's parents/relatives sued for damages, yet?

This was indeed shameful; u... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

This was indeed shameful; utterly unnecessary and poorly thought-out. This lands in the "snuff" film category, and is not news but sensationalism of the worst sort.

I wish it HAD been The Wash... (Below threshold)
jim:

I wish it HAD been The Washington Post.

However, it was The Washington Times, according to the link.

oh GIVE IT UP lee... I hope... (Below threshold)
Emma:

oh GIVE IT UP lee... I hope you say the things you do just to start debate, because if you think the Democrats are a lick better, you REALLY need your head examined.

"....being a mouthpiece for... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

"....being a mouthpiece for terrorist propaganda."

As defined by the first comment in this thread.

Lee, do you believe that th... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Lee, do you believe that the images from 9/11 should be shown on television? Do you believe that Nick Berg's beheading should be shown and other incidents like it?

shouldn't these comments re... (Below threshold)
tim:

shouldn't these comments relate to the message/story? i don't have a problem with any media showing these types of images, so long as the purpose is to inform. that would include showing images of the horros of 911 too! it is in every american's and civilized person's interest to recognize the enemies determination and methods (yet absent any logical agenda). the fact is: certain media outlets have their agenda -do we not concede that point? who is the real enemy?

It's obvious that Lee has n... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

It's obvious that Lee has no offspring in the military. or conscience. or soul.

show the lunatic scumbag en... (Below threshold)
tim:

show the lunatic scumbag enemies doing all the dirty deeds they desire to disseminate! stoning people to death; slaughtering; torturing - even to their own fellow muslims (believers). this is the stone age barbaric scum that want your head and mine too. burying our heads in the sand, as to the nature of the enemy, is a constructive form of aiding the enemy in achieving their goal.

Lee I note you didn't say t... (Below threshold)
Xennady:

Lee I note you didn't say the media weren't liars or biased players-glad to see you've finally figured that out.Everything else you wrote is wrong as usual though.

i agree with lee's logic: i... (Below threshold)
tim:

i agree with lee's logic: if he says something that runs contrary to the issue at hand - which he is obviously lurking around waiting to do, as he was the first comment, then he can detract from the real issue.

do we not agree that we should know our enemy? (cnn has a different agenda than that) and to know the enemies nature, we should see our brothers and sisters in the battle for civilization.

Lee-Offspring-Military-Cons... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Lee-Offspring-Military-Conscience. ?????

Being a member and mouthpiece of a party that is already directly responsible for the murder of 3 to 5 million civilians in Southeast Asia can't be easy. Has CNN shown the piles of skulls recovered in Southeast Asia, most not even buried by the communist wing of the democ'rat'ic party. Just the result of another 'defeat and retreat' led by Hanoi John and Hanoi Jane.

Evidently the older members of the 'party' want to spread the guilt around in the younger generation of dimwits by getting millions murdered in Iraq and it will happen within 30 days of a 'defeat and retreat' by the dimwits.

I couldn't agree more that ... (Below threshold)
TD Larkin:

I couldn't agree more that CNN should not have shown this footage.

I'm sure you are all equally outraged by the Republican National Committee's ad that utilizes terrorist propaganda film footage. The ad has messages from bin Laden and Zawahiri and also shows an IED blowing up a US military vehicle. You can see this treasonous film on youtube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KgHBfGw3bNc

I find it appalling that the Republicans would repeat the message of the man who murdered 3,000 of our fellow citizens. I lost a cousin in the Trade Center and it really makes my blood boil to see CNN and the RNC promoting terrorist propaganda.


td: i'm terribly sorry abou... (Below threshold)
tim:

td: i'm terribly sorry about your cousin. but this is not simply propaganda. this is a real war that many folks cannot seem to comprehend; many good american's mistakenly look to the rnc or bush as the "enemy." cnn is a source of the creation and existence of that mindset.

I haven't seen CNN airing a... (Below threshold)

I haven't seen CNN airing any footage of the Mosques in any of the Muslim countries, with hundreds of people chanting 'Death to America'. Isn't that news worthy?

Lee,
You end almost each post with 'It's time for change'. Explain what we need, what the plan is, instead of just saying, "The Dems will do it better". I want examples.

If Clinton were running the show, what would you say about this video airing? What about Kerry? Oh, wait, that's right. If either of them were the Commander and Chief, there would be no war, we would all work things out and hug each other. It's not like the Dems ever said we sould be in Iraq. Just don't click that link. It would break your heart, Lee.

I think what people need to... (Below threshold)
archtop:

I think what people need to realize is that CNN is a business whose "product" is news and entertainment. When a business like CNN acts in an arrogant and reckless manner as in this case, we the consumers can make our voices heard by simply refusing to purchase the "product". Unfortunately, given CNN's status on most cable and satellite services, it's hard to not purchase their product. That is, part of your cable or satellite bill is going towards propping up their failing enterprise. So what do you do? You do what I've done and remove your cable sevice and use the $50/mo to buy DSL or the equivalent. And you lobby for a la carte programming so that, someday, you'll be able to pick and choose which channels you wish to subscribe to. Until then, I'll refuse the cable service.

I like to compare CNN's presence on cable like going into a grocery store, buying your usual items, then the store clerk saying that you cannot buy anything unless you purchase a box of Kellog's corn flakes. "But I don't wan't corn flakes..." you protest. "Sorry...if you want to shop in our store, you have to get the corn flakes!" So what do you do, if you're lucky you can go to another store, or perhaps start your own!

Regrettably, I agree that C... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Regrettably, I agree that CNN has every right to show these images. However, it is very sad that they chose to do so. With bureaus in every corner of the world and a lot of local staff who are not US citizens I am sure it is not hard to find a way to create a library of images such as these. Someone in a position of authority, however, has the final say on whether the film be shown. This film is a propaganda coup against the United States' war on terror no matter how poorly you feel it is being handled. If folks like Lee do not feel that footage such as this inappropriate, then they cannot complain about propaganda devised by the US government to support our side in this conflict. Propaganda has always been a part of war and to the best of my knowledge is not a punishable offense. The footage as shown by CNN hurts our side and helps the enemy irrespective of whether CNN felt that way to begin with. I don't think freedom of the press means that the US government HAS to allow CNN to attend briefings, HAS to give CNN updates, HAS to talk to their reporters. They can do like others and get their info from AP feeds or however. I would tell them, "Hey, get ALL the news you want your way, but you're on your own. Or, maybe, embed yourself with a band of Sunni jihadists. You seem comfortable in their company anyway. Just don't count on us keeping track of where you are anymore."

And they actually have t... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

And they actually have the nerve to act like showing this terrorist snuff film was some kind of noble deed.

It's time for the current administration to charge the most onerous traitors in the country and let 'em fry. As Texas govenor, the President allowed simple killers to earn their harsh sentences. Why not traitors under the guise of newsmen too?! The timing would be peeerfect.

Logan, asking Lee to actual... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Logan, asking Lee to actually give some answers will only result in a link to the DNC website, or something equally irrelevant.

"If Clinton were running... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"If Clinton were running the show, what would you say about this video airing? What about Kerry? Oh, wait, that's right. If either of them were the Commander and Chief, there would be no war, we would all work things out and hug each other. It's not like the Dems ever said we sould be in Iraq. Just don't click that link. It would break your heart, Lee.

We were all for the war, Logan - until the reasons for getting into Iraq turned out to be made-up lies.

Democrats six months ago were pushing for a timetable on Iraq - but that was not part of the POLITICAL plan of the Republicans - now they've flip-flopped and are setting a timetable.

How do you people sleep at night, knowing that American soldiers and innocent Iraqis died so that Republican politicans could gain political advantage for your losing cause...?

Just more lies from the integrity-challenged Republicans. It's time for a change.

(PS - I didn't click the link - thanks for the warning)

The bottom line is this was... (Below threshold)

The bottom line is this was a PROPAGANDA VIDEO from THE ENEMY, which CNN chose to air. The enemy doesn't produce their propaganda for "journalistic purposes," they produce it to HELP THEIR CAUSE.

CNN is in bed with enemies of America. Apparently most on the left are okay with that.

I wonder why?

I apologize to all here for... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

I apologize to all here for going off message, but I can't see how you sleep at night Lee having unwavering support for the party that considers the partial birth abortion a cherished right - thank you for letting me get that off my chest.
Lee, if the President doesn't listen to you he is clueless and insensitive and doggedly pursues a failed agenda. When he changes tack, he is a flip-flopper. You are obsessed but not pathologically so like muirgeo. As for not setting a timetable earlier let me put it to you this way, if the folks that administer this site said that after December 1st all posters would no longer be able to dump on Lee, I bet you would shut yourself up here until Deceember 1st and then have a field day. Get the idea???

@ DavidDPropagand... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

@ DavidD
Propaganda has always been a part of war and to the best of my knowledge is not a punishable offense.

Even Nazi propagandist extraordinaire Leni Riefenstahl lived free to the ripe age of 101 in post-war der Vaterland promoting her images of well-hung Africans to the remnants of a perfect Aryan race. But propaganda is one thing while exposing a secret surveillance program or promoting a snuff film of our boys like a Holywood hit is another thing entirely to me. It's so obviously wrong yet it hides under the guise of a free press.

What would all the r... (Below threshold)
TD Larkin:

What would all the right-wing bloggers do if they didn't have CNN and the liberal media to bash incessantly? You'd all have to actually talk about real issues like the war itself!

Obsessing over this kind of issue is clearly just a way to fire up your base. If this was about principle you would all be just as enraged by the RNC ad.

Again, not defending CNN. They shouldn't have shown that video.

"Lee, if the President d... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Lee, if the President doesn't listen to you he is clueless and insensitive and doggedly pursues a failed agenda. When he changes tack, he is a flip-flopper"?

Republicans lie, and people die as a result, DaveD. This isn't a game. I hold our politicians accountable for their actions, and when they f*ck up, I demand a change.

I hope Republican voters do as well.

Lee, how do you sleep at ni... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Lee, how do you sleep at night knowing that the majority of intelligence going into the Iraq war was lined up by the Clinton administration, by a Clinton appointee. Oh, you didn't know that? Well Hillary sure did take credit for it as she was PROMOTING the war herself, saying that they were expecting a thank you letter from the Bush Admin. for the intelligence her husband lined up, of course that was before she said she was against the war.

Still waiting for your answ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Still waiting for your answer lee.

"Lee, do you believe that the images from 9/11 should be shown on television? Do you believe that Nick Berg's beheading should be shown and other incidents like it?"

lee, "I hold our politician... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, "I hold our politicians accountable for their actions, and when they f*ck up, I demand a change."

Talk about lies lee, Jesus Christ, that"s a whopper. You hold nobody but republicans accountable, inluding for things that are democrat's fault. The intellectual dishonesty you display on a daily basis is astounding.

@ LeeThis isn't a... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

@ Lee
This isn't a game. I hold our politicians accountable for their actions, and when they f*ck up, I demand a change.

The only thing you demand, Lee, is another nickel off the street to feed your crack pipe.

@ TD Larkin
What would all the right-wing bloggers do if they didn't have CNN and the liberal media to bash incessantly?

We'd continue working hard at our jobs and being happy.

The planes hitting the Twin... (Below threshold)
Dave:

The planes hitting the Twin Towers should be shown every Friday night at 8PM on all channels. The US public needs to remember who started this war.

See Dave, thats the problem... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

See Dave, thats the problem, lee would shit himself if we showed that on TV, shooting a US Soldier in the head though, now that is prime television.

Lee, I cannot dispute your ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Lee, I cannot dispute your statement, it is not a game. I think you probably find many of us clueless because we do not consider Bush a premeditated liar. No matter the past, we are in Iraq. No matter what your feelings on whether we should have ever gone there in the first place, that fact remains we ARE there. We are put off by the number of civilian casualties under our noses. So, let's save our young soldiers that the left is consistently so fond of and leave. So, what if what remains might be even larger scale killings of Sunnis by the majority population of Shiites. Is it of no consequence to the liberals who dies once we are out of there because the killings that continue can still be blamed on Bush? If you say we got ourselves involved in a culture we do not understand then OK, I'll give you that. But commit yourself further, do you feel this is a culture that is completely incompatible with democracy? If not, why not help; we had assistance in our beginning when a sucessful outcome was far from certain. If you believe these people cannot sustain a democracy, explain why they are incapable. It's difficult, it's sometimes sloppy, it's war. It's NOT A GAME as you say, therefore, there are no rules describing the beginning and end on the bottom of the box.

old lee is downright infect... (Below threshold)
tim:

old lee is downright infectious to you guys! he's got everyones goat. you're arguing with a lamp post when you debate with someone like him/her/it. lee is a self loathing little socialist that has never had the courage to truly challenge (it)self in any meaningful way. these types see the blogs as an opportunity to feel like they actually have any significance.

nice work DaveD... (Below threshold)
tim:

nice work DaveD

Yeah Lee you hold politicia... (Below threshold)
Xennady:

Yeah Lee you hold politicians accountable all right. What about all the elected Democratic criminals that you still support? Lee, when you talk about holding politicians accountable how about them? You're nothing but an ignorant leftist shill.

P&G is one of the larger ad... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

P&G is one of the larger advertisers on CNN. The corp formerly know as Proctor and Gamble controls dozens of well known brands. Ive emailed severl people at the compant, and didnt even get so much as a courtesy reply.

I am putting together a letter I'll send to everyone I know concerning CNN's callous disregard for the family and friiends of that soldier who was shot by the sniper. CNN seems to be proud that is the US based propaganda arm of Al Jazeera/Al Qaeda, and I see the ony way yo gets its attention is through its advertisers.

Anyone have any better ideaas?

"Yeah Lee you hold polit... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Yeah Lee you hold politicians accountable all right. What about all the elected Democratic criminals that you still support? Lee, when you talk about holding politicians accountable how about them? You're nothing but an ignorant leftist shill."

Now you liars are pissing me off. Name the Democratic criminals I support, Xennady?

Or are you just another ignorant lying Republican shill?

I didn't see the video...bu... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I didn't see the video...but criticism (apart from any disrepect for the individual deaths of the soldiers) seems to be based on the general idea that revealing the grim reality of the war is negative to the war effort...Frankly I would rather see all sides (apart from the gruesome bits)..We are all grown-ups, and presumably we can all make up our own minds, bearing in my mind, the dictim that 'the first casualty of war is truth.' Information and a video like this may give encouragement to the enemy, as well as moral support to our soldiers in their difficult, almost impossible job in Iraq. But wasn't it Dr. Johnson who said "truth if any there be, is solid and durable: that which may be derived from errour, must be, like its original, fallacious and fugitive"?

You're pissed off now lee? ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

You're pissed off now lee? Guess the truth hurts huh. As I said before. you hold them all accountable, as long as they are Republicans, and if they aren't, well, just shift the blame to them anyway.

Still waiting on your answer,
"Lee, do you believe that the images from 9/11 should be shown on television? Do you believe that Nick Berg's beheading should be shown and other incidents like it?"

LEE"We were all... (Below threshold)
914:

LEE

"We were all for the war, logan- Until the reasons for going into Iraq turned out to be lie's"

Well then Your admitting all the dems were lying then, because regime change and the reasons given were all stated by democrats before Bush was in office You lying POT.

Exactly 914. And in Hillary... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Exactly 914. And in Hillary's own words during that time, her husband's administration lined up the majority of the intelligence used in going to war. lee has his head so far up his ass it's ridiculous. He can't be honest about ANYTHING!

We were all for the war,... (Below threshold)

We were all for the war, Logan - until the reasons for getting into Iraq turned out to be made-up lies.

Made-up lies? We went to war for a regime change. We had intelligence that Iraq had WMDs, we knew they wanted them, Saddam said he had them, but that was NOT the main, let alone only, reason we went to war. The left likes to say it is, but we went in for a regime change.

How do you people sleep at night, knowing that American soldiers and innocent Iraqis died so that Republican politicans (sic) could gain political advantage for your losing cause...?

I can sleep at night because you are wrong. Republicans may lose the majority. . . wow, THAT plan sure worked, huh? Freedom isn't free. I pray for our troops. I have family over there. I'm proud of them. They are heroes, fighting so I can be here defending them against the likes of you.

It's time for a change.

(again) Tell me a PLAN.

(PS - I didn't click the link - thanks for the warning)

Then my point has been made.

Republicans lie

Does the phrase "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" ring a bell?

D-Hoggs,
asking Lee to actually give some answers will only result in a link to the DNC website, or something equally irrelevant My point exactly.

Dave said "The planes hitti... (Below threshold)
TD Larkin:

Dave said "The planes hitting the Twin Towers should be shown every Friday night at 8PM on all channels. The US public needs to remember who started this war."

Exactly! That would remind us that this war was started by a bunch of Saudis, Egyptians and Pakistanis and that there were NO IRAQIS on board the planes on 9/11. And there were NO IRAQIS in the leadership of Al Qaeda and that there was only a minor presence (in the Kurdish north) of any Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Remember CNN the Communist ... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Remember CNN the Communist News Network is owned by TED TURNER the wealthy big time leftist who is always donating to eco-freaks and the UN so why should we be surprised by this after all TED TED TURNER is the producer of that leftists cartoon aimed at kids CAPTIAN PLANET and he is also the one who produced other watermellon programs like NETWORK EARTH,ONE CHILD ONE VOICE, and others no wonder CNN has lost its number 1 spot to FOX NEWS

This is how Lee holds ALL p... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

This is how Lee holds ALL politicians accountable:

On Mark Foley: "Anyone who stalks children is sick. Anyone who apologizes for a political party that protects such criminals is even sicker."--lee

On Gerry Studds: "Studds' constituency re-elected the man to office for 12 more years of service after the scandal broke. That demonstrates that he obviously was a good representative for the people he served."--lee

That pretty much says it all.

td, since when did we go in... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

td, since when did we go into Iraq because of 9/11? You are a dumb ass.

Another point of view:... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Another point of view:

In order to win a war, you must be able to hate your enemy, and you must be able to rally the American people to do the same. If there had been news reels of Japanesse machine gunners mowing down American troops as they hit the beach, it would have been even easier for Truman to drop the bomb and many fewer would have critizised him for it. All that happens to me when I see our troups getting dropped by a sniper is the desire to be young enough to get over there and kill a few of the bastards myself.

I see what you're getting a... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

I see what you're getting at USMC Pilot, the problem though is that lee and his buddies already do hate their enemy, unfortunately that enemy is America instead of the true evil.

The terrorists do NOT want ... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

The terrorists do NOT want the US to leave. If they did, they would stop the terror. Only then will we leave. It's their decision. The reason they do NOT want us to leave is because they LOVE the lilly-livered liberals in America....

D-Hoggs - Hope you find so... (Below threshold)
Lee:

D-Hoggs - Hope you find some meds that work.

I never defended Studds. I observed that his constituency re-elected him, after the scandal broke, for 12 more years -- and noted that apparently he did some things right when it came to representing his district.

I never defended his actions "off the court", but I am pleased that you spent the time to dig up my quote and prove what a total idiot you are. Saved me the trouble.

That's why I ignore trolls like D-hoggs. They are a total waste of time, and when you respond to them they just throw up more lies.

Finally, I really wish you guys would stay on topic. Attacking me instead of adressing the topic is a great disservice to Wizbang readers. Seriously...

USMC PilotThe CNN ... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

USMC Pilot

The CNN showing of a terrorist snuff film is different than footage of our boys dying on the beaches. The snuff film was set up for the filmmaker so that CNN could show it to their enemy .... us. Those soldiers died for CNN ratings? Aaah, that's an affirmative, sir.

CNN snuff coverage is more akin to Hanoi Jane extending our soldiers' stay at the Hanoi Hilton because she disrupted diplomatic efforts for a period of time according to Kissinger. Both have and had a direct negative impact on our troops.

Another point of view: The likes of lee have a voice on blogs like this one but, back in the day, little morons could only be heard at rallies shouting slogans. Can't censor stupidity even though they have a voice at Kos. That's different than before but, heck, they may just be doing the dems more damage based on election results.

Cheers.

lee, once again proving how... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, once again proving how intellectually dishonest you are. I never ONCE said you defended Studds, I set out to show the difference in how you "hold ALL politicians accountable". In the Republican's case, he is a sick, sick man. In the democrats case he is obviously a good representative since liberals voted him in for another 12 years. If you can't see the glaring inequality with those two stances, you are the one who is sick.

Furthermore lee, you have got to be fucking joking about staying on topic right?! You change the topic of 90% of the posts on this site! If you wanted to stay on topic so much you wouldn't have avoided the questions I have asked you 3 times, now 4:

"Lee, do you believe that the images from 9/11 should be shown on television? Do you believe that Nick Berg's beheading should be shown and other incidents like it?"

If this video was shot by s... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

If this video was shot by some innocent bystander, or even by a legitimate (if they exist) journalist, in the normal course of reporting the news, then I would have less trouble with it.

It is the FACT that it was PRODUCED as a "snuff film" for the express purpose of spreading IslamoFascist propaganda...and then MARKETED TO CNN that bothers me.

In the first case mentioned above my wrath would just be at those who killed our soldier. In the second case my wrath extends to the scum at CNN, because they accessories after the fact to the murder!!

@ spurwing ploverD... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

@ spurwing plover

Don't forget Ted "The Mouth of the South" is giving $1 billion to the United Nations and that he married Hanoi Jane! But poor Ted lost billions when Time Warner merged with big joke AOL to line pockets of CEOs. Ted's Turner Networks is owned by Time Warner. Ted just quit board of directors of Time Warner and therefore has no say in CNN operations. Finally, Ted is a raging alcoholic.

Lee,Thanks for (ag... (Below threshold)

Lee,

Thanks for (again) bowing out when faced with answering questions. You're helping us prove our point every day!

Keep serving them up, Hoggy... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Keep serving them up, Hoggy, I'm happy to make you look the fool again.

"lee, once again proving how intellectually dishonest you are. I never ONCE said you defended Studds, I set out to show the difference in how you "hold ALL politicians accountable". In the Republican's case, he is a sick, sick man. In the democrats case he is obviously a good representative since liberals voted him in for another 12 years. If you can't see the glaring inequality with those two stances, you are the one who is sick."

Both are ture - your partisanship (and lack of meds) is preventing you from seeing that. Foley may well be a good representtiavive as well or even better than Studds. Add that if you wish - but try to get back on topic here...

Life isn't equal, Hoggy - and as soon as ANY of the bloogers on this site give equal weight to ALL sides of ALL issues -- I'll do the same.

What about you, Hoggy - are you "equal" or do you just troll relentlessly after Democrats?

Well, duuuh. No one around here is equal. I state my opinion, you state yours - and then you guys lose the election. What's the problem?

One glaring problem is that... (Below threshold)
914:

One glaring problem is that You are the one who is losing election's smartass.

D-Hoggs,This post ... (Below threshold)
TD Larkin:

D-Hoggs,

This post is about CNN and the war in Iraq. And then Dave said:

"The planes hitting the Twin Towers should be shown every Friday night at 8PM on all channels. The US public needs to remember who started this war."

Thereby conflating the war in Iraq with the totally unrelated war against Al Qaeda. So I felt it necessary to remind Dave (if he had forgotten) that there were NO IRAQIS on board the planes on 9/11, and NO IRAQIS in the Al Qaeda leadership.

It's true that there are now about 1,000 Al Qaeda in Iraq but they are only one out of about one hundred warring militias and factions in Iraq. And they are far from our biggest problem there.

You are truly laughable lee... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

You are truly laughable lee, and totally blind to any kind of common sense. The fact that you excoriate one man for something, and have no harsh words for another who does the same thing, is ridiculous. And it is apparently beyond your comprehension as to why there is a problem with that "logic".

So keep on calling people names, and whining about lying rethuglicans, and listening to the ridiculous media hype about democrats taking control (not going to happen, mark my words), and ignoring questions directed at you about the topic at hand which you refuse to answer while at the same time yelling that nobody will stay on topic. You are like a fucking child man, guess thats par for the course though. Once more for good measure:

"Lee, do you believe that the images from 9/11 should be shown on television? Do you believe that Nick Berg's beheading should be shown and other incidents like it?"

No TD, this post is not abo... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

No TD, this post is not about CNN and the war in Iraq. Please read it again. This post is about what is and is not appropriate for television in the minds of the liberal media. According to liberal CNN, it is appropriate to show a US soldier being shot in the head, but it is not appropriate to show American citizens jumping out of the towers. That is what Dave was making a point about, not trying to make a connection between 9/11 and Iraq. Learn some reading comprehension.

Don't be so obtuse, Lee. I... (Below threshold)

Don't be so obtuse, Lee. If they had waited until 2015 and set a time table to exit in eighteen months, you'd claim, "They flip-flopped! Now they're seeting a timetable!" Good grief.

I have to admit everytime I read one of your comments I tell my husband, "Hey honey, read this. And we both get a good laugh. Thanx for giving me so many chuckles.

I have to correct myself he... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

I have to correct myself here, though this is one point that lee would never correct anyone on, even though he is so dilligent at holding ALLLL politicians accountable. I said, "The fact that you excoriate one man for something, and have no harsh words for another who does the same thing"

I was wrong, only one man actually HAD sex, and we all know who that was. (and it most definitely wasn't lee)

How do you spell "cut-and-r... (Below threshold)
TD Larkin:

How do you spell "cut-and-run" in Republican?

t-i-m-e-t-a-b-l-e

At least we all agree now we need to get out of Iraq. It's only a matter of whether it's 6, 12, or 18 months. The situation won't be any different when we finally do get out. The warring factions of Iraq are going to decide that country's future.

6 reasons why CNN aired the... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

6 reasons why CNN aired the propaganda video:

1) It increases their ratings revenue.
2) They support the terrorists - not our troops.
3) They care more about politics than they do the United States of America.
4) They can add yet another death to the total killed (this excites them).
5) They wanted another notch in their media gunbelt.
6) They gain additional ammunition to blame Bush and shoot down the war in Iraq.

ooops, there is a 7....... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

ooops, there is a 7....

7) They WANT us to lose.

Olbermann pretty much slaug... (Below threshold)
TD Larkin:

Olbermann pretty much slaughtered the Republicans when it comes to using terrorist propaganda:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15392701/

Rove and Bush wrote the book on this sort of thing. Why single out CNN?

Has ANYONE even watched CNN... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Has ANYONE even watched CNN lately? Holy Toledo--they are some morose mofo's over there. If I shared their f'd-up world view, I'd be walking around like the loony lefties, always pissed-off.

Why did Olberman give up hi... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Why did Olberman give up his previous gig as fluffer for a gay porno film company? The bigger stars said he was pretty good. His current job...not so good.

"if they had waited unti... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"if they had waited until 2015 and set a time table to exit in eighteen months, you'd claim, "They flip-flopped! Now they're seeting a timetable!" Good grief."

but there was a vote in Congress just months ago on this issue, and the Republicans were admantly against the Democratic plan to set a timetable plan.

FLIP-FLOP.

But what's worse - the Republicans aren't flip-flopping because they beleive it's the right answer - clearly they are flip-flopping because they are getting hammered in the upcoming election.

FLIP-FLOP.

People have died because the Republicans played politics with this decision. That's shameful, and wrong - very wrong.

td, you are as idiotic as o... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

td, you are as idiotic as olberman. The major difference here is that the clips olberman is talking about contain the people that are ACTUALLY our enemies, osama, al-sadr, etc. The liberals will never understand the difference here as long as they believe that we are the enemy.

lee, "Finally, I really wis... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, "Finally, I really wish you guys would stay on topic."

Once again:
"Lee, do you believe that the images from 9/11 should be shown on television? Do you believe that Nick Berg's beheading should be shown and other incidents like it?"

Once again D-Hoggy, get med... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Once again D-Hoggy, get meds, and...

"That's why I ignore trolls like D-hoggs. They are a total waste of time, and when you respond to them they just throw up more lies."

HAHAHAHAHAA, lee you are a ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

HAHAHAHAHAA, lee you are a fucking trip man! So we can all assume from lee's utter refusal to answer completely legitimate questions about the topic at hand that he knows his answer will expose him for the utter fraud and hypocrite that he is. Thanks lee, you do all the work for us. Now resume with your childish name calling and stonewalling.

You're just digging your li... (Below threshold)
Lee:

You're just digging your little troll hole deeper, D-Hogg.

And I still want answer your troll questions.

lee, a troll is someone who... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, a troll is someone who resorts to childish name calling, dancing around issues, and generaly not caring about the topic at hand but only spewing garbage, aka, you. I on the otherhand have tried to engage in the conversation at hand, asking you a legitimate question about what should or shouldn't be displayed on television. You, knowing that if you really said what you believed that you would be exposed for a total hypocrite, continue to name call, bitch and moan. So basically you are just a typical liberal. I seriously feel bad for you, carry on.

"...it is easy for the rest... (Below threshold)
George:

"...it is easy for the rest of the country to tune out casualties..."

Yeah, it's kind of like abortion. It's easy to tune it out until the MSM shows you the procedure on TV.

Oh, wait. They aren't showing abortions on TV.

D-Hoggs - The classic defin... (Below threshold)
Lee:

D-Hoggs - The classic definition of insanity is someone who does the same thing over and over again, expecting the outcome to be different.

You asking the same questions over and over - knowing that I have already refused to play your little game, shows you're f*cking insane.

Now you won't shut up. Looks like bipolar illness. Get some help.

Actually lee, the classic e... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Actually lee, the classic example of insanity is a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder, kind of like liberalism. You don't just get to make up your own definitions. Me asking you the same question over and over because you refuse to answer, is just me proving that you neither care to have honest debate, nor want to answer for fear of revealing your true self.

More typical liberal though... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

More typical liberal though from lee, "Now you won't shut up."

Any dissenting thought must be shut up lee huh, unless it is liberal dissent, then its patriotic.

I see dumb people. ... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

I see dumb people.

Wow. Now if it had been Am... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Wow. Now if it had been Americans killing Iraqis, you guys wouldn't have any problem with that being shown.

Again I will raise the ques... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Again I will raise the question...does anyone here support our Govt's policy not to show our fallen troops returning with dignity and honor in their flag drapped coffins? I would rather that be the image than what was shown on CNN. But of course the dozens of coffins returning might "disturb" some viewers.

As a vet, I always attend the services of my brothers and sisters killed in Iraq and Afghanistan when they are held at Ft. Logan Cemetary. There is no way not to be moved when taps is played by a flag drapped coffin.

"I can't imagine how parent... (Below threshold)

"I can't imagine how parents with sons and daughters in Iraq must have felt watching the video of that brave..."

Gee, I can't imagine who sent their sons there to die in the first place.

I know I know, the man who said we were staying the course, before he changed his mind- must be the political season- and said he was against staying the course.~~we are more flexible now right Kim~~~

"Once again:
'Lee, do you believe that the images from 9/11 should be shown on television? Do you believe that Nick Berg's beheading should be shown and other incidents like it?'"

Hey Lee, let me answer that for you: YES!

What's your point?

Herman: "Wow. Now if it had... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Herman: "Wow. Now if it had been Americans killing Iraqis, you guys wouldn't have any problem with that being shown."

Herman, Herman...this wasn't "news". This was our ENEMY (yup, they're YOUR enemy too!) going out to kill an American for this snuff film. And then shopping it to CNN. Who lapped it up and ran it without a second thought (despite their after the fact assurance they agonized over this decision).

Earlier this week someone asked why CNN doesn't show a baby having its head crushed during a partial-birth abortion, if they care so much about providing the "un-varnished truth".

Wow. Now if it had been Ame... (Below threshold)
seamus:

Wow. Now if it had been Americans killing Iraqis, you guys wouldn't have any problem with that being shown.

Of course not herman. That would be reporting the news.

Nikkolai - read it and weep... (Below threshold)
TD Larkin:

Nikkolai - read it and weep:

In just over a month, since MSNBC's Keith Olbermann began a blistering attack on the Bush administration, his ratings have soared 69 percent, the Associated Press observed Monday, citing figures from Nielsen Media Research.

And if you all look at the RNC video you will clearly see a vehicle being blown up by an IED. But since you're all a bunch of hypocrites you could care less when Republicans use terrorist propaganda. But let a media outfit do it, and it's the end of the world.

Someone ask if anyone watch... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilotb:

Someone ask if anyone watches CNN anymore. I do, every night from 7 - 8 PM. Glen Beck is kicking ass.

"pucker puss" (lee lee) is ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

"pucker puss" (lee lee) is to WIZBANG! what Keith "lardhair" Olbermann is to PMSNBC--namely the site clown. Just listening to "lardhair" try to make you think he is serious causes fits of laughter-same with old "p' p'".

Lee Said:The clas... (Below threshold)

Lee Said:
The classic definition of insanity is someone who does the same thing over and over again, expecting the outcome to be different

Lee also said:
We need a change
It's time for change
It's time for a change
We need a change

Isn't it nice that Lee ignores subject he doesn't want to answer? I would love to hear you answer D-Hoggs instead of mindless name calling, but I know that won't happen, and now I'm sure I'll get a new nick-name.

It's much easier when you are only on the attack, and never back up any claims. Anyone can do that. It takes a thinker to be able to provide facts and enter good debate. Thanks, Lee, for fighting for the Right, one post at a time. . .

Earlier this week... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:
Earlier this week someone asked why CNN doesn't show a baby having its head crushed during a partial-birth abortion, if they care so much about providing the "un-varnished truth".

Because CNN does have an agenda - and that's not part of the agenda. They (CNN) happen to share some of the same agenda that the terrorist do (U.S. retreat). So, when the terrorist produce a piece of propaganda to further their (the terrorists) goals, it also happens to suit the goals of CNN. Thus, CNN airs it.

T.D LarkinSorry bu... (Below threshold)
914:

T.D Larkin

Sorry buddy but Al Quaeda with Iraqs help were behind 911.

Sorry buddy but Al Quaed... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

Sorry buddy but Al Quaeda with Iraqs help were behind 911.

Uh-huh. When do they turn on the lights in your part of the swamp?




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