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Bush Signs Bill Calling for Border Fence

President Bush signed a bill allowing for 700 miles of fencing at the US-Mexico border:

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush signed a bill Thursday authorizing 700 miles of new fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, hoping to give Republican candidates a pre-election platform for asserting they're tough on illegal immigration.


"Unfortunately the United States has not been in complete control of its borders for decades and therefore illegal immigration has been on the rise," Bush said at a signing ceremony.

"We have a responsibility to enforce our laws," he said. "We have a responsibility to secure our borders. We take this responsibility serious."

He called the fence bill "an important step in our nation's efforts to secure our borders."

That's all well and good, but the question is will it actually happen? Allah at Hot Air says no way.

One of the reasons is that the funding is still up in the air. From CNN:

But missing from the law are the funds to pay for it. (Map of planned fencing)


The act provides no funding mechanism for the fence, though a $1.2 billion appropriation was approved as part of a bill the president signed this month. There are no concrete numbers, but estimates suggest the fence would cost twice that amount. The earlier bill, however, stipulates that the $1.2 billion could be used for a fence, lighting, vehicle barriers and high-tech equipment.

In addition to funding, or the lack of it, being an issue, we also have the problem of Democrats who see border security as a political tool rather than a national security threat. Senate candidate from Michigan Mike Bouchard, writing at RedState, expresses his frustrations:

What frustrates me most with Washington, is the fact that illegal immigration is a political football being tossed around by partisan players instead of practitioners.


Take for example a statement issued just moments ago, by a spokesman for the Democratic Party who lashed out at the border fence bill which the President signed this morning, as an "election year stunt."

"By abandoning comprehensive immigration reform and embracing election-year political stunts, President Bush and Republicans in Washington have once again put the interests of their party above the interests of the American people," said Democratic National Committee spokesperson Luis Miranda.

Redstate readers, and I, look at things a little bit differently. We see a problem, identify the solution, and use common sense to move the ball forward. In my business, if the right decisions aren't made quickly, people can die.


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"we also have the problem o... (Below threshold)
Rob:

"we also have the problem of Democrats who see border security as a political tool rather than a national security threat"

Kim is hilarious. As if signing this bill a week and a half before an election is not a political move.

700 miles? What about the o... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

700 miles? What about the other 1300 miles? Oh that's right theer's an election coming up. Just throw the believers a bone to keep em calm.

What about employers benifiting fron hiring illegals for cheap labor?

Oh yeah the election thing again. Wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds you.

Well at least we can hire illegals to build the fence and save some money on that cost....oh wait Haliburton may want to build it.

Isn't that 700 miles where ... (Below threshold)
Chuckg:

Isn't that 700 miles where the vast majority of the illegal aliens come through anyway?

You start building your fence where you need it the most, not the least.

Will mexico take this to th... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Will mexico take this to the so called UN Human Rights Commision? well all i can say is SCREW MEXCO,SCREW VENENTI FOX and SCREW THE UN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISION

Another reason to vote Repu... (Below threshold)
comeonsense:

Another reason to vote Republican, if Dems get control it will definitely not be financed.

"President Bush and Repu... (Below threshold)

"President Bush and Republicans in Washington have once again put the interests of their party above the interests of the American people"

I must be way out of the loop...how exactly is keeping out foreign invaders, some armed, some not, some with evil intent, some without, not in the interests of the American people? And if not in the interests of the American people, whose interest in "their party" are they helping? Does putting up the fence help 'big oil', or 'big pharm', 'wall street fat cats', 'HMOs', WalMart? What big evil moving force behind the Republican party would benefit from this vs. the American people? Big Chain Link?

I am totally missing something here (seriously), unless it's simply Democratic Derangement.

The Maginot Fence?... (Below threshold)

The Maginot Fence?

(I mean, if it only covers part of the border....)

Isn't that 700 miles where ... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Isn't that 700 miles where the vast majority of the illegal aliens come through anyway?

You start building your fence where you need it the most, not the least.

Posted by: Chuckg

No! It's not about stopping illegal immigration. It's about hanging a carrot in front of the Idiot American constituents just before an election so you can have their vote while not effecting the cheap labor pool for Corporations who allow you to get elected in the first. It's called playing on both sides of the fence....it should be an insult to anyone with the least common bit of self respect. But in fact it will actually get some idiot tools off the couch to vote.

Actually, if you look at th... (Below threshold)
Scott:

Actually, if you look at the text of the bill, it says that almost all of this 700 miles of land "fence" will run along the southern border of Arizona. That's where the most people cross now, so that's where the fence goes. It also mentions more east of San Diego, and in the area around El Paso.

No, it doesn't address the whole southern border. The Rio Grande is a better border in some places than others. At least you can tell where it is, unlike much of the land border.

It's a start. It WILL be built, because public pressure will demand it. It was, remember, public pressure that got this bill passed in the first place.

But, if the Dems take control, kiss it goodbye.

"The act provides no fundin... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"The act provides no funding mechanism for the fence."

The fence to nowhere.

Your party keeps treating you like asses, and you keep coming back for more?

I seem to remember several ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

I seem to remember several countries trying this before with very little long-term success.

Most famous among past attempts to keep others out with a wall are the Romans in England who built Hadrian's Wall--which did not stop the Scots or the Anglo-Saxons, the Chinese who built the Great Wall--which failed to keep out the Manchu, and the French who constructed the Maginot Line--which failed to keep out the Germans, who simply marched around it.

Wouldn't it be better to pursue policies that got rid of the incentives for these folks to travel north? I can think of one: start putting the employers of illegal immigrants in jail.

Unfortunately, I think this is all the equivalent of closing the barn door after the horses have run away.

Muirgeo, are you James Carv... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Muirgeo, are you James Carville's understudy?

What a phony half measure. ... (Below threshold)
Idol Hanz:

What a phony half measure. Who is Bush and Congress trying to fool? They had 5 years to win the war yet they can't even secure the road between downtown Baghdad and the airport. They had 5 years to secure our borders and round up and eject these 20 million parasites, vultures, freeloaders and moochers--but they didn't do it!

I sent Bush to Washington to do a job and he has not done it.

Donald Rumsfeld needs to re... (Below threshold)
justice58:

Donald Rumsfeld needs to resign!
Just look at how he acts during a press conference. And Bush continues to let this man stay. What is wrong with these people?? They can't even get their stories straight

There is a demo project, pa... (Below threshold)
bill:

There is a demo project, part of a $2B award of SBInet, to Boeing to build a $50m prototype of the virtual fence -- to prove it does or does not work.

More here http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contracting/sbi_net/

So a mix of real fence and virtual fence may work fine. In some areas real fence is a must, mostly high traffic and cities -- more remote areas might well be satisfied by SBInet.

It's going to be up to us to stay on top of this, as far as I am concerned, border security first, guest workers next, NO GUEST VOTERS.

Paying for the fence is eas... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Paying for the fence is easy...ADs...on both sides...
on the Mexican side could be WAL-MART who hires more undocumented than anyone...

Wouldn't it be better to pu... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Wouldn't it be better to pursue policies that got rid of the incentives for these folks to travel north?

Posted by: Jeff

The Republican policies will solve the problem. In effect their answer is to make America look like Mexico. Then the illegals will stop coming. From single party rule, deregulation, destruction of the middle class, union busting, flooding the coutry with excess workers, rampant corruption, concentration of wealth, to corprate rule, making abortions illegal, and dumbing down the citizenry.....hey were well on our way to solving the problem. Eventually even the Mexicans will wonder why they came here.

Jeff, My memory mi... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Jeff,

My memory might be getting fuzzy, but Hadrians wall kept the "Scots" out for several decades until the Romans left and handed it over to the Britons. The Great Wall of China kept the Mongols out of China for a couple of generations until the Chinese in their "prosperity" stopped maintaining and manning it fully. The Maginot line failed to keep out the Germans because it was designed and manned by the French.

You forgot the Bar-Lev line that was overcome by the Egyptians after being trained and equipped with lots of new weapons and technology. Ultimately the Egyptians lost that one.

You forgot the Berlin wall and East German fence complexes that worked quite well for several decades. They were manned, and monitored, and mined, and armed. I guess it worked becuase few East Germans had a 51 foot ladder.

The current Israeli fence is working out pretty well, in the sectors it is completed, cross border raids and suicide bombings have gone down significantly.

Most houses, schools, businesse and institutions have fences or walls in our own country. They seem to work well at keeping undesirables out, or have we just been duped by the fence companies?

Jeff, are you willing to live in a home without locks or have a yard without a fence? Do you want to raise children there? Do you keep you car unlocked? Do you recommend schools where strangers can wander the halls and playgrounds at will?


What a phony half measure. ... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

What a phony half measure. Who is Bush and Congress trying to fool?

Posted by: Idol Hanz

Who is he TRYING to fool?
See some of the above post from those very fools taking the whole thing hook, line and sinker.

Matt,The point is ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Matt,

The point is that a wall itself is not enough.

At the height of its effectiveness Hadrian's Wall may have been manned by as many as 10,000 men. Now, remember that wall was less than 80 miles long. The same was true of all the other walls menioned, they all needed huge levels of manpower.

Our southern border is 2,000 miles long. How many men do you think we will need to man this fence?

Do you really want to live in an armed camp?

Wouldn't it be better to help the Mexican people improve their economy so they do not have to come here for work? How about using the $1.2 billion that is supposed to be allocated for the border fence for economic development in Mexico?

That mixed with punishment for those who hire illegal immigrants here would provide a good carrot and stick approach to this problem.

Jeff,You and I pro... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Jeff,

You and I probably agree more on this than actually disagree.

I concur that the historical walls ultimately failed because of manpower, economic and political realities, or the enemy just getting smarter.

One estimate from several years ago for military manpower to secure the full southern border was about 240,000 personnel. About 10 of the old divisions. That is only 100,000 personnel than we have stationed in Iraq right now. Maybe we should redeploy them to protect us?

Few wish to live in an armed camp, but failing to secure the southern border is causing virtual armed camps to occur, one farm-ranch-household at a time within border communities.

I do see it as ironic though that the many people that support and don't support a border fence generally (myself included) live in homes with fences, locks etc.

Personally I am pretty sure we will never see the funding for the fence. Just as we never saw funding for more "approved" Border Patrol Officers and saw the 6,000 National Guard troops be squandered away.

I'd like to see a manned/surveilled fence that will keep hard criminals and drug runners out. They are the extreme danger down here along the border. It can be done effectively with a variety of technologies, from low-tech to extremely high-tech. The will has to be there though.

Securing the border is not a be-all end-all solution. It has to be coupled with reformation of legal immigration, enforcement of laws on the books, cracking down on employers of illegals (especially the big corporations), taking away incentives for illegal immigration such as free health care and welfare. Certainly I'd prefer to see immigrants have a healthy, prosperous and safe Mexico that they want to stay in.

I don't mind the idea of helping Mexico, but how do we do it effectively so we get actual positive results? Mexico truly needs a robust, fully functioning economy that can grow to support their abundance of workers. I am not sure providing the current Mexican government with money for economic reform is the best way to do it. I trust their politicians even less than ours. It would be about the same as giving one or our own congress peoples money and saying use it wisely.

This bill,if funded,would s... (Below threshold)
TJM:

This bill,if funded,would start the construction of the Mexinot line and it would cost much much more than the initial estimate.Maybe it will pay for itself.
What surprises me is that if a fence were built,the net result would be the same as has been argued would happen if gun legislation were passed.Only the criminalls will have guns and in this case only the criminals will get in.
If not throught the fence then around it. With the help of the people responsible for defending it.
http://houston.fbi.gov/dojpressrel06/ho063006.html

or:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6246133

or:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/14/AR2006071401525.html

Matt,I agree.... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Matt,

I agree.

This is a complicated problem.

It would be nice if we could just throw some money at it and then forget about it.

Unfortunately, my impression is that the business and legal climate in Mexico is just not transparent enough for the U.S. to provide effective aid.

I really don't have all the answers, but I think a good start would be to simply enforce the laws now on the books.

I am not a Republican, or a fan of said party, but I like what Giuliani did with New York City. I don't think everything should be Disney-fied but I like the cleaner version of NYC. All Giuliani did was enforce laws already on the books and get rid of all the peep shows.

It really is that simple in many cases. You just have to make it more expensive to engage in certain activity and people will stop.

The pocketbook is sometimes the best weapon against those who break the law.

Will the fence be built or ... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:
muirego blathered:<b... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

muirego blathered:


700 miles? What about the other 1300 miles?

The entire 2000+ miles aren't equally traversible (it means as easy to get across, muirego). The intelligent move is to start by building the fence at the paths of least resistance.

One estimate from... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:
One estimate from several years ago for military manpower to secure the full southern border was about 240,000 personnel. About 10 of the old divisions. That is only 100,000 personnel than we have stationed in Iraq right now. Maybe we should redeploy them to protect us?

240,000 / 2000 = 120 troops / mile.
5280 ft / 120 = 44 ft or about 15 yards between troops.

Perhaps we should play zone defense rather than man-on-man.




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