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O'Reilly On Oprah

I caught the late night replay of Bill O'Reilly on the Oprah show. I said in my Townhall column this week that Oprah had given assistance to Democrats by airing the "Truth in America" interview with Bush basher Frank Rich and the fawning Dixie Chicks interview which painted a picture of a scary America in which no one could criticize the President. Oprah offered a bit of balance yesterday with a "town hall meeting" with Bill O'Reilly. The show was excellent, with a very well balanced audience, most of which seemed familiar with O'Reilly's "Culture Warrior" book.

The show began with a very fair setup piece with clips from O'Reilly's show representing the topics he covers most frequently. O'Reilly started off by saying he believed Oprah to be a traditionalist due to her belief that this is the greatest country on earth and a noble country. He made the point that those on the other side of the culture war blame America for everything and would prefer America be more like Denmark or Holland.

O'Reilly, who has been quite critical of the Iraq war, and continued to be, made the point several times that he did not believe President Bush lied about Iraq or went into the country for anything other than a sincere belief that he was doing the right thing. He also made the point that if we had found WMD in Iraq that Bush's approval rating would be sky high now.

Most of the interview dealt with the topic of his book, the culture war between traditionalists and secular progressives. He made a strong case against the ACLU and more specifically, made the case that such methods as waterboarding, when weighed against the facts as Brian Ross described them that such techniques had yielded information from terrorists that had thwarted terrorist plots and saved thousands of American lives, are sometimes necessary.

The format of the show, some interviewing from Oprah, interspersed with numerous questions from the audience, was really good. O'Reilly even said that that show was the best one he had done. He was much more subdued than he often appears on his show, and only a few times became slightly confrontational with those asking questions. This show (which must have had a huge audience) airing a little over a week from the election, had to be a boost for Republicans due to the nature of the subject matter and the response from most in the audience, as well as from Oprah herself. It would be hard to watch that show and go away from it excited about voting for the Democrats' positions on fighting terrorism or traditional vs. secular cultural issues. At least that is my take. I commend Oprah Winfrey for the very fair and balanced treatment she gave O'Reilly and the topic of the culture war.

Update: Ann Althouse has more.


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Well Lorie, that should hel... (Below threshold)

Well Lorie, that should help out amongst the middle class women segment of the population. Meanwhile, anyone else would have no clue about the show. I didn't even know that Oprah had Bill O'Reilly on her show (I don't even watch it, nor that of her pet male, Dr. Phil).

Bill: ...... We give opport... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Bill: ...... We give opportunity to more people than anyone else in the world. We freed billions of people and spent our blood and treasure doing it. We're noble. Traditionalists.

Secular-progressives say, "No. We're a flawed society. Deeply flawed. We need changes in every area. Social. Economic. Foreign policy."


Secular progressive here and PROUD of it.

Traditionalist would claim we are perfect and can do no wrong but need to ignore LOTS of facts to make such claims.

Secular progressives also believe we are a great country but want us held to an even higher standard. It's all about standards. We want to raise them and the traditionalist think there is no room for improvement.


Is there a middle ground be... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Is there a middle ground between traditionalists and secular-progressives?

Bill: I don't like the words "middle ground." I think you have to make--you have to make a decision about what kind of a country you want.


This says it all. For the traditionalist its their way or the highway. The secular progressives progressives couldn't give a crap about how the traditionalist live. Just don't force your views on us. We don't go door to door promoting our cause trying to convert people. We don't force our beliefs on others. The traditionalist want every one to believe and behave like them because they know they are tempted by our world view and the facts we tend to expose conflict with their faith based view of reality.

We're are inconvenient just by our very existence. Traditionalist like the Amish are fine because they don't force their views on others...why can't you all be that way?

Bill: But you have to make... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Bill: But you have to make a decision sooner or later in your life on what kind of country do you want? Do you want to live in Holland? Or do you want to live in a traditional United States? ...

Ah...Bill backed himself into a corner here. Any guess what era of America would be "traditional"????


By the way people in Holland are living as good or better then us. No worries about health care, no government infringing on your liberties and they take 2-3 months vacation a year.

See the table at the bottom of the page;

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=000AF3D5-6DC9-152E-A9F183414B7F0000

Bill:These are peopl... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Bill:
These are people who don't pay attention. I mean, they have excuses and this and that, but this country is obviously fighting a war on terror--obviously we could be killed at any moment--


Do people actually believe that? I have more fear of dying from a lightning bolt then from a terrorist. And that's even with a totally inept administration that has made us more vulnerable and ignored the 9-11 commissions recommendations. Now imagine how safe I'd feel with a competent administration that was actually making the homeland safer though efficient methods rather then selling our our country for a useless war.

Heck we'd even have extra money to research ways to protect ourselves from lightning bolts.

It was an excellent show. ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

It was an excellent show. I taped it and have watched it twice already.

Millions of women saw it and will now know about the ACLU and it's political agenda. Millions will remember the discussion about the liberal MSM and it's agenda next time they read the newspaper. Millions will remember the fact that snowboarding saved thousands of lives. And Bill's explanation about Bush and his geo political strategy in Iraq was excellent.

It was a devasting show for the Left.

We don't force... (Below threshold)
Marc:

We don't force our beliefs on others. The traditionalist want every one to believe and behave like them because they know they are tempted by our world view and the facts we tend to expose conflict with their faith based view of reality.
Posted by: muirgeo at October 28, 2006 09:55 AM
You don't have to. No door-to-door campaign pushing your leftest "global test" crapola, or idiotic Hillary Care and legal marriage between consenting goats on anyone.

You just sit sipping latte's and let moonbat judges do the dirty work for ya.

By the way people ... (Below threshold)
Marc:
By the way people in Holland are living as good or better then us. No worries about health care, no government infringing on your liberties and they take 2-3 months vacation a year. Posted by: muirgeo at October 28, 2006 10:00 AM
Care to guess what their tax rate is to be able to provide these "services? Nearly twice what the rate is in the US.

And their productivity per capita is less than half the U.S. production.

Yep their livin' the high life all right. And along with the rest of the EU, whose total GNP is less than the US, are getting beat to death with taxes.

Pssst,jo don't tell "mun-go... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Pssst,jo don't tell "mun-go" (linkman) that as he can't read. He just believes what he hears from the "left" side. You ever notice how long his posts are? It takes him a long time to copy off what someone else has written as he cannot think for himself. That is very evident in his posts. No one could be that dumb.

Marc, as O'Reilly would say... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Marc, as O'Reilly would say, Muriego lives in the Land Of Oz. Please don't spoil his fantasy. lol.

"...ill: But you have to ma... (Below threshold)

"...ill: But you have to make a decision sooner or later in your life on what kind of country do you want? Do you want to live in Holland? Or do you want to live in a traditional United States? ..."

I want to live in a country where the government stays the f%#&k out of my business, and I don't have to worry that every time I pick up the phone, some black suit will be listening to my conversation. I also want to be free to worship at the church of the nanny goat if I damn well please; or, no church at all. And I sure as hell don't want my government trying to make me feel guilty for not believing in something I have never seen.

Oh, and if by traditional you mean the good ole days? No thanks, I will take my chances with what we have now. I get motion sickness when I sit in the back of the bus.

Yep, I think that makes me a secular progressive, and I am damn proud of it!

Regarding traditional value... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Regarding traditional values Samuel Adams once said in regards to his fellow conservative countrymen, loyalist to the King, who did not want to fight a war with the British for our independence, " If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"

Samuel Adams quote

You just sit sipping latte'... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

You just sit sipping latte's and let moonbat judges do the dirty work for ya.

Posted by: Marc

Marc,

Name one freedom or liberty YOU lost to these judges that amounts to a forcing of secularist views on you.

Don't worry Marc, I'll wait... (Below threshold)

Don't worry Marc, I'll wait for your answer..................

Muirgeo, stop with the Sam ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Muirgeo, stop with the Sam Adams quotes. There's no way you would have risked giving up your life in the War of Independence. Guys like you would have been begging to give more taxes to the Crown and would have not wanted your life disrupted by the inconvenience of war. Please.

You go, DD!... (Below threshold)
epador:

You go, DD!

[notice all the pins droppi... (Below threshold)
epador:

[notice all the pins dropping after your post and before mine]

Muirgeo, stop with the Sam ... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Muirgeo, stop with the Sam Adams quotes. There's no way you would have risked giving up your life in the War of Independence. Guys like you would have been begging to give more taxes to the Crown and would have not wanted your life disrupted by the inconvenience of war. Please.

Posted by: DaveD


I don't even have to argue this. Washington and Jefferson were liberals. The rag tag armies Washington commanded stood for liberty and independence. Conservatives of the day were Tories siding with the King for more of the same. We liberals kicked your sorry arse's in that revolution....we kicked your arses in the civil war, we commanded over and won WW2 in less time then we've been in Iraq and we're gonna kick your sorry butts here at in the next revolution in 9 days.

I don't even have to argue this.

Muirgeo, the founding fathe... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Muirgeo, the founding fathers designed a political system where only landowners could vote in elections. I'm with you on this too. It's so disappointing that "just anyone" can vote now.

If you want to su... (Below threshold)
Black Elk:


If you want to suck on the hind tit of a social
welfare system move to the E U.If on the other
hand you want a good life in America get a good
education,speak english, dress well, no tatoo's
no ear rings pin ect,ect you will do damn good.
Piss off a liberal work and be happy...And for
field Negro get over it its the same old sad
song,Edddddduuuuccccaaatttiiion is the key....

Muirego, you are a liar. S... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Muirego, you are a liar. STFU. Secular regressives are against anything but their view. You shout down those who oppose your view, lie as a matter of convenience and use the courts to force your view on the rest of us. You do not believe in freedom of any kind. What you believe in fails everywhere it is tried. Look to Europe for a failed system. If you believe what you claim, what the hell are you still doing here? I am willing to fight, once again to protect freedom from idiots like yourself. Armed America will never allow you to prevail.

"...And forfield Neg... (Below threshold)
field negro:

"...And for
field Negro get over it its the same old sad
song,Edddddduuuuccccaaatttiiion is the key...."

Thanks for that little tip, from the look of your post you might want to take some of your own advise. Anyway, I think I have that education thing covered, it's you and those of your ilk I am worried about;)

Still waiting on those rights the liberal Judges took away from you Marc.......


I didn't see the Oprah inte... (Below threshold)
pennywi:

I didn't see the Oprah interview myself, but I'mnot surprised that it went well. He is a noxious gasbag. However, when he appears on somebody else's show, I've noticed that he is very, very respectful of the fact that he's on somebody else's show, and that person gets to set the agenda, ask the questions, and make the jokes at his expense.

--|PW|--

Trust me in that I'm sure t... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Trust me in that I'm sure the S-Ps were not happy with the discussion on the Oprah show. They are a sneaky little group who would rather the masses not know what they're up to.

I've seen the S-Ps in action, trying to shut down anyone they disagree with. Those little secularists at Columbia rushing the Minuteman speaker is just one example.

No thanks.

Name one freedom o... (Below threshold)
Marc:
Name one freedom or liberty YOU lost to these judges that amounts to a forcing of secularist views on you. Posted by: muirgeo at October 28, 2006 12:03 PM

Don't worry Marc, I'll wait for your answer..................
Posted by: field negro at October 28, 2006 12:27 PM

Gee, look at that. The gruesome-twosome in back to back posts. It must be Holloween.

Nice change of subject from what I referred to (on how you forcr your belies on others) to what you comically thought it was (any freedom or liberty I may have lost)

I haven't lost jack shit! But the people of the State of Mass never got a change to vote on the gay marriage issue did they.

Same can be said for San Franciscans who ran into the same problem because of a moonbat mayor who acted against State law to approve gay marriage.

Or how about those that have viewed, admired and and visited the "religious" cross in San Diego to remember the war dead, only to have the ACLU attempt to have it torn down.

Not enough? Then how about the same ACLU getting into the business of the Boy Scouts (a PRIVATE organization, not public) over gay Scout leaders.

The list is endless but you will never see or accept what is listed, because it all seems so normal to you and the like-minded.

field-negro said:... (Below threshold)

field-negro said:
I want to live in a country where the government stays the f%#&k out of my business, and I don't have to worry that every time I pick up the phone, some black suit will be listening to my conversation. I also want to be free to worship at the church of the nanny goat if I damn well please; or, no church at all. And I sure as hell don't want my government trying to make me feel guilty for not believing in something I have never seen.

Dude, you cannot want that, and then turn around and want big government to run the economic stuff of your daily life. I actually work for the Federal Government (in a real position, an operating engineer on ships that supply the US Navy), and the average "office" federal government worker is just about useless. Beaurocracy is a huge joke and will be even worse if the US Federal Government becomes the biggest employer under your system (British Beaurocracy. is made fun of in the stories of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"). When Fed Gov't bean counters take control of everything, price caps on high-end jobs will occur (Captains and Chief Engineers working for Military Sealift Command as Civilian Mariners already hit the pay cap that controls our salaries), and they will want full control of everything that runs our country. Be prepared for even MORE listening and controlling going on because they will not want you subverting the government by buying stuff on the black market, no no, that takes money out of the Government Economy.

To want Big Government Economies and Healthcare Systems but at the same time to want tiny Government Security or none at all...is hypocritical at best.

Henry, where did I say anyt... (Below threshold)

Henry, where did I say anything about big government running the economics of my daily life.

Marc, I am going to try this again, I know when it comes to reading comprehension and reason you have a problem, but let's try. OK, once again, please show me where LIBERAL JUDGES have taken away your freedoms? News flash! The ACLU attorneys are not judges, a mayor is not a judge, and I am sure if the brilliant legislatures in the Commonwealth of Mass. writes the law correctly it will be put to a vote.

So I am still waiting for you to answer my original question......

Only caught some of the sho... (Below threshold)
tom:

Only caught some of the show but twice I heard O'Reilly state what his real agenda is. When Oprah said she was suprised he came on the show O'Reilly said he'd sell a lot of books.
And when an audience member questioned him about stating calmly to some one your ideals, when he spouts off and yells at people, he said he has a TV show and it's about getting viewers. He's just like the rappers, going over the top to get attention. And if O'Reilly were this age when Elvis, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones hit the scene he'd being saying our culture was doomed just like so many others did at the time.

muirego:... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

muirego:

We don't force our beliefs on others.

Oh f***ing please!!!

When the 'progressive' enact their social programs funded by the money that they've seized through the police power of government that IS most certainly forcing your beliefs on others... at the point of a gun no less. So don't give me that crap about not wanting to impose your beliefs on others.

The 'progressives' (read: socialist) in this country are much more invansive into the lives of the individual citizens than any Baptist or Mormon or whoever has ever thought of being. The Mormon's knock on your door and ask to speak with you. The 'progressives' pass invasive 'social programs' into legistlation and use the police power of government to shove the nanny state down our throats. I'll take a polite knock on a door over the invasive 'progressives' any day!

any clip from that show, an... (Below threshold)
keith:

any clip from that show, anyone??? post it on youtube.com. thanks in advance!




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