Unable to establish any positive Republican outlook for the midterm elections I appreciate the effort it must have taken to drag this dead horse out of the barn..
Nobody..NOBODY...cares about Kerry any more...

Kerry was let "off the hook" for his comments in the 70's why should this blip have some effect?

Nogo is the first democrat denouncing Kerry. Now let's see if anyone else in the dem party will do so. What a douche-bag.

The sad thing about Kerry and his comments is that many of the people in today's military have higher GPA's and SAT scores then Kerry. That comment was extremely offensive. The Republicans didn't do anything. Karl Rove did not hypnotize Kerry and send him out on the stage to disgrace our military.

I was hoping that Kerry would try to run again, just to make things interesting for Hillary. Now we'll have to rely on Algore and Feingold to make things interesting.

Although, Kerry is so clueless that he might still run in spite of this.

Waiting for the Video to prove he wasn't really there. he was in North Korea toasting his buddy Kim. The guy on the stage was Rove in a Kerry halloween mask.

I'm going trick or treating tonight as a democrat. (Definetly not with a Kerry mask, i'd get shot a hundred times 'at the first house'). I'll carry a ten gallon bucket so I can take it all for the common good. Can't trust you citizens to hand out candy to the kids when a democratic congress can do it so much better.

I guess I can give up a hundred dollars or so per month in extra federal taxes if the workers making $40-60K per year can give up $375 + per month. Peloshi and gang needs the extra money to bail out Calif. Besides the democrats alway know better than you about where and how to spend your money.

Not only did Lurch ruin his 2008 Presidential aspirations, he just handed the mid-terms to the Republicans. There were some military families that were leaning towards the Democrats. Well Lurch, just stuck a pin into that balloon. No amount of damage control is going to help this time. This is an unforeseen October surprise for the Republicans which will reverberate in the next two years and possibly beyond.

Memo to Jean-Francois:

Horse.

Barn.

Gone.

Kim,

He will still be senator-for life and you know the MSM and the Democrats are going to try to bury this faster then the mob buried Jimmy Hoffa. Too bad for them that the MSM is no longer the gatekeepers of information and no longer control the agenda.

They can try spinning it all they like, it will be like using gasoline to put out a fire.

How typical to put words in my mouth...first of all I am not a Dem...I am a registered Ind..(I have really tried to make that obvious in my posts) second..I did not denounce him...I merely said he was irrevelent..........at this time he is one vote in the Senate..as for President? ...right now I am split between Rudi and John Edwards..(I perfer Rudi but I doubt his position on abortion will allow him to be the nominee)

Nogo, maybe you think a potential presidential candidate basically calling the enlisted of our military rejects is irrelevent, but most people think it matters.

The right blogosphere is so desperate for something to divert attention that they've seized on the misquoted remarks of someone not even running for office. Hilarious!

I feel bad for them, so let's give 'em this one...I promise not to vote for Kerry next Tuesday unless he apologizes!

Kerry needs to resign now. We are a nation at War. We don't need a senior Senator calling the troops stupid.

Hanoi John did not insult and belittle 140,000 troops in Iraq. He insulted and belittled millions of men and women that have served in Iraq, their children, their mother and father's and every member of a family that has or has had someone serve in the U.S. military.

If the members and voters of the Democratic party can't accept the fact that Hanoi John and his supporter are a danger to this country then I pity you as you are the mentally retarded of the country.

Ed,

It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool then to open it and remove all doubt.

Something that John Kerry, the Democrats and fools like you have never learned.

I think Lee must have dressed up as Ed for Halloween.

Ed....

"Misquoted"????

Please elaborate....or STFU

Bottom line: the man said what he said, and it was stated in the context of rallying the Democratic base. He may have intended to take a swipe at Bush & Co. by hitting on the "recruiting amongst the disadvantaged" nail, but he slammed his thumb horribly. He would have been better off to admit it than to feign indignation that anyone would take offense.

I think Lee must have dressed up as Ed for Halloween.
So when a transvestite dresses like a man, is that considered "drag"?

Unbelievable that this guy is trying to pin this on the Republicans. I mean listen to what he said. Regardless if he meant something else, it didn't come out that way at all. And then he won't even clarify his comments.

This was the October surprise Rove and Co. were talking about last month. If I was a Dem candidate I would be all over Kerry and denounce him as the left wing lunatic that he is.

I hate Kerry, but I think he really was talking about Bush when he spoke of getting stuck on Iraq. He said it in a stupid way, but that's Kerry for you.

I think this is what Kerry honestly believes. There are many things he believes, as a feckless politician and a man of little character, that if he were to come clean, he'd be seen as the pariah he really is.

His type really think they're smarter, and have better hair, than everyone else. The irony is, they are about as stupid and ignorant as you can get.

This liberal couldn't be happier than to see John Kerry fade from politics. I'd happily attend a good-bye party for him and Gore. They both blew it and they both need to go away.

His comment was stupid.

Now, do you rightie loons have anything substantive to run on this election?
Of course not. If you look at the posts and threads for the past week the only thing the loons talk about is hypocrisy and outrage about a stupid politician making a stupid statement. You don't dare debate anything because your cause is a monumental failure.

Kerry says he was aiming his insult "you get stuck in Iraq" insult at Bush. I tend to agree since he did urge students a moment before 'to study and 'you make an effort to get smart'. Many of critics of the war, on google have used "stuck in Iraq' to refer to the siutuation there, with an implicit criticism of our policy there, but I didn't find that Kerry had specially used that expression before.

Hugh, nice even-handed comment in your first para.

But on the second, I think it is entirely reasonable to have a debate on the values and principles of the Parties vis a vis Kerry's take on the military.

I can understand your wanting to change the subject, but it's a fair critique.

If only you could get us back to Mark Foley and The No Sex Scandal, huh?

Is ignorance, arrogance and lack of judgment a substantive issue? I think that's what the Dems have been spewing about Bush and the Republicans. I guess turnabout is not fair play when it comes to Kerry and the Dems? Typical double standards...

You know it's not tough correcting you guys, I guess you were C students also. Add the one word "us" and you see what he's saying:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get "us" stuck in Iraq."

I, too, at first questioned he was referring to Bush in an earlier post. However, that is irrelevant. He is still an idiot politically for making such a dumbass statement. Whether he was swinging for Bush and hit the veterans (and I am an 8 year veteran myself with a Master's Degree and work in the software industry today) or just swung at the veterans he is an idiot politician.

So, Mr Kerry, from this family who was not a) poor, b) uneducated we thank you to STFU.

My father: 1960-1988, SMSgt USAF, Bachelor's and Master's degree in electrical engineering.
Myself: 1988-1995, Capt, USAF, BS and MS degree in Computer Science and F-16 pilot.
My brother: 1993-2006, Capt, B-52 pilot, BS and MS in electrical engineering.

Until March of this year when my brother was medically retired a member of my immediate family served this nation continuously for 46 years. We would have been considered middle class family. Not poor, not rich. Educated, successful and felt military service was a calling.

My father, my brother and I will be at the ceremony when my son gets his commission as a 2nd Lt in the USAF in 18 months. He'll have graduated with a BS in Mechanical Engineering and Mathematics from MIT--accepted after scoring a perfect 1600 on his SATs. I guess I need to get him to dumb it down before he graduates so we can be sure the USAF will still take him since he apparently needs to be stupid.

He certainly was wrong to say W. is stuck in Iraq when we all know he's not.

We're not stuck in Iraq, it's just really long last throes!

Mitchell:

I think the folks who talked the most about Foley were the righties. There was a lot of whining and a lot of the YELLING about HYPOCRISY (which is pretty much all you hear from the right). I personally had no interst in Foley. What I had and still have is an interest in whether there was a coverup by anyone on either side. I would imagine you have interest in that as well.

You're quite right that it is legitimate to talk about values and principles. Kerry's stupidity no more represents the the principles and values of the left than does Duke Cunninham or Mark Foley represent the values and principles of the right.

By the way, I think the American public has stated whose values and principles they support.

I agree that Kerry is irrelevant, but I just had to comment on this ridiculous statement:

used the US military again by hiding behind it in order to deflect the criticism that is rightfully coming down on you like a ton of bricks.

For three years, the position of the right has been, "if you disagree with our Iraq policy, you don't support the troops".

You can hardly go off and start getting moral about "hiding behind the military".

the funny thing is sKerry had worse grades in college than W Bush and a lower SAT score.

True, JP. Kerry was a miserable student, as he is now a person.

Hugh, I guess we just disagree. I do think many in the Dem. Party hate the military and don't really want to win. I can cite you to Terry Moran, White House Correspondent for ABC News, and his colleague, Mark Halperin.

Both noticed what you do not: that their fellow journos are largely Dem, and they hate the military.

There is a history and context here that is not favorable for the Dems.

Does Mr. Kerry have any choice insults to hurl at Senator McCain in reaction to his criticism?

Maybe he could borrow some of these.

I mean, really... you finally have a legitimate point to argue, and you have to go bonkers and overstate it with ridiculous rants.

I can't believe Kerry is selling this as a joke against Bush and some in the media are buying it. Today's hissyfit of a presser he had no trouble saying "President Bush", in 2004 no problems attacking Bush and using the words "President Bush", yet during this 'joke' he doesn't use the words "President Bush". Also look at the clip he isn't smiling or laughing or anything that shows it to be a joke. And, honestly whats the joke study hard and do well in school or you might become President of the United States?

There's this movie everyone's talking about "No Substitute for Victory: from Vietnam to Iraq". Originally "No Substitute for Victory" was a documentary hosted by Jon Wayne released when during war in Vietnam. Now this film is re-released on a DVD and examines out current conflicts in the Middle East as seen through the scope of history from our previous conflict in Vietnam. It has exclusive modern day interviews. I think it will be an excellent source of vital information and entertainment! You should check it out!

Why does he not just apologize? He is not very smart, is he?

I knew at some point before the election the Democrats would give us a WMD (Wellstone Memorial Display) moment, to help the Republicans. They can't help themselves. Maybe this is it!

If the moonbats loved America as much as they seem to love John Kerry, they would all move to Canada.

Mitchell:

You made a quantum leap there in two regards. First, Moran did not say that the jounalists "hate" the militray. That's disingenuous on your part. He said there was a bias...a bias does not equate to "hatred."

Secondly, you posit the false logical premise that because these jounalists are democrats "many" democrats hate the miliatry and don't really want to win. That's a falacious argument and really insulting. I served in the military my father served in the military and I have many democratic friends who served in the miltary. You mistake concern for how this war is being waged for a desire that we lose it. That's simply silly for lack of a more insulting word.

What is the diff, Hugh? If you have an "anti-military bias," you pretty much dislike the military. Explain the difference, since you seem to understand your Dem. compatriots so well, if I may use that term.

It is irrelevant what your family did or didn't do in the military. A very large, vocal segment of the Dem Party dislikes the military, and they have since Vietnam.

Good try there old Hugh. Where is Lee, by the way. Did he actually go to work today?

Maybe I'm naive, but I think it is quite possible that it was a misdelived joke at Bush's expense. But his coming out swinging today with the wild accusations and arrogant indignation when he had time to cautiously prepare his remarks is unbelievable. If his joke really was intended to be about Bush, it's obvious how it came across as an insult to the troops. That warrants an apology by anyone who truly cares about those he offended, intentionally or not.

It kind of seems comparable to me to DeLay's remarks about Thurmond at the latter's birthday party. There was also an innocent, but hard to swallow, explanation for the offending remarks. But note the difference in the politician's reaction.

For three years, the position of the right has been, "if you disagree with our Iraq policy, you don't support the troops".
-Brian

No, the posistion has been "if you undermine their capabilities and/or withold the tools they need, you don't support the troops"

Definition:

Noun 1. zombie - a dead body that has been brought back to life by a supernatural force.

Ok, who's fault was it???

Diane,
Keep in mind this is the guy that yelled at his secret service escort for supposedly making him fall on the slopes.
I don't think it is in his makeup (no, not the orange pancake) to issue a mea culpa.
He still hasn't explained Christmas in Cambodia, or signed his form 180 to the public as promised. I don't expect him to to take the high road and say sorry, or even to pull the weasely "I am sorry that you are offended" cop out.

It doesn't really matter what Kerry may or may not have meant to say because we'll never be able to find out for sure which way it was meant. What matters is what he did say, and what he said was vastly insulting. His response to the public's reaction just shows how childish and immature he really is. To be honest, it reminds me of Clinton's Mike Wallace interview meltdown.

It is the responsibility of the communicator to get his point across to the audience, assuming the audience has an average mental competency. Don't blame the audience if you can't say what you mean, and don't get mad if the audience turns around and slams you for a stupid quote when you're the one who screwed up.

Kerry is a disgrace to his party and to this country. He needs to go away and stay there.

Shorter John Kerry:

Go fuck yourselves, you fat wingnut pussies

BWAAAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

Mitch:

Either stand by your statement or change it. You're laughing at Kerry's stupid statement today, yet you put words in Moran's mouth to make your point. What's the difference between you and Kerry?

It was you who used the term "hate." If you don't know the difference between bias and hate I can't help you. Your law school education was wasted for sure.

To me it means a healthy distrust. As a lawyer you may be familiar with a book from the 70s I believe. It was: "Military Justice is to Justice as Military Music is to Music". Distrust of the leadership at the top;...sceptisism. Certainly, there is plenty of evidence that many retired generals distrust the top leadership. There must be reason for that.

I note that your previously friendly dispatch fell into your usual personalization and sideways insults. Some kind of debating tactic when you're wrong on the facts and argument?

"Add the one word "us" and you see what he's saying: ..."

Is that all it takes? Just add a word or subtract a word from quotes to make them seem to say what you want them to say? Tell me ... are conservatives allowed to do that, or just liberals?

You trolls, and you know who you are, don't you Hugh? Can try to change the subject, but John F. Kerry insulted the armed forces of this nation one more time. He can and will lie about what he said and who he said it about, but when reviewed in the context to who he was speaking to and what he said. There can be no doubt this low life Democrat holds the armed forces of the United States in very low regard. The difference between democrats and Republicans is that we both want to bring the troops home, the Republicans what to bring the troops home as winners. Democrats, caring nothing for this nation, will do anything to defame this President. Why don't you liberals perform post natal abortions on eachother?

Actually Zelsdorf I think you relish in bringing them home dead and maimed.

Actually, I do think he was aiming his remarks at Bush.
What he was saying was Bush is stoopid. Gee, that's really original. Does the Left ever get tired of that one? What he forgets is that Bush had better grades than he did in college.

So either a. he was insulting our troops, and if that's the case he should resign from office.
or b. he was making a ham-handed attempt to insult Bush with the same old leftie talking point. If that's true, then he just insulted himself since he had worse academic performance than Bush.

Either way, good job Tall John! You look foolish whichever way you meant it.

Somewhere, Hillary is smiling...

No, the posistion has been "if you undermine their capabilities and/or withold the tools they need, you don't support the troops"

You mean like by not sending enough troops over there to support the ones doing the fighting? Or like not providing them with appropriate body armor or other equipment? Or by wearing them out by endlessly extending their tours of duty? Or by telling them that they'll be returning home to reduced benefits? Like that?

But regardless, your point is flawed and disingenuous. Were I to list all of the legitimate criticisms of our Iraq policy, you would just spin each one into one of your categories.

Notice how all the "lefties" are trying damage control. Just shows what cowards they are--things don't go your way--CUT & RUN.

Ahhhhh, the ever popular Democratic fallback position is being deployed... Blame the person not responsible for your actions, deflect, deny or accuse as loudly as possible and hope your pals in the MSM will provide cover.

Carl really doesn't pay Kerry enough, really.

Hugh, again, is "anti-military," to use Moran's words, connote hostility to the military.

This is pretty elemental. I asked you in my previous post what that means, and you dodged it, although you appear to circumscribe it to distate for the leadership of the military (as if the Dems. were still on the side of the "soldier"), but that is not what is said.

What is said, is that Dem Journos are "anti-military." I'd say hate is not too strong a term, if not distate for all the military, not just the Pentagon.

Why else the slanted coverage, and virtually nothing about our courageous soldiers stories in harm's way.

Anti-Military. That's all you have to say re Dems.

I need to start proof-reading these things. I guess Mr. Kerry was talking about stoopid me yesterday!

I was smart, before I was stoopid. Just like he voted for it, before he voted against it.

So Brian, what category does "I voted for that 87 billion before I voted against it" fall into? Trying to hold the troops hostage to a political agenda is hardly supporting them, IMO.
No shock that the same man who said that also said our troops are lazy and dumb.

Sorry Ed but the Kerry speech is availale on the web for anyone to view and he does NOT use the word "us". Usually Democrats twist words, you simply add words that were never there.

Mitchell:

I just can't believe you're as dumb as what you're putting out to me. You allude to "all: democrats being anti-military. That;s stupid. It's a right wing talking point. It's prattle and bespeaks of a shallow mind.

I told you what I thought it means. I stick with that. I see you didn't have the balls to own you changed bias to hate. Says a lot about you. Mindless right wing prattle and lies. You folks don't get it. You're in decline, on the way out, have nothing to say of any substance, have a failed congress and a failed president so you mindlessly make stupid statement that "democrats" hate the military. So, I suppose that means to you that Wesley Clark the military? (Can't wait to hear you say yes).

And of course your "authority" for all this is the opinion of one newsman. That says oodles about you.

Note what the AP says in a report about this incident: "Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the 2004 Kerry-Bush race."

If I remember correctly, Kerry did retract his claim that he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve. That sounds pretty substantiated to me.

The Main Stream Media is still lying for Kerry.

Hugh, your grasping again.

No one said "all" Dems. hate the military. Straw man there. Most, a lot, many is more like it.

Also, "bias" can indicate everything from hate to mere displeasure with. Given the vitriol from the Left, as it has existed since Vietnam when you guys were spitting in soldier's faces, I would take the meaning of "bias" to mean a severe dislike or hate.

For instance, Hugh, you often hear that one is "biased" against blacks, jews, muslims, what have you. In this context, is it not "hate" that the writer intends to connote?

Nuance is not your strong suit, fella.

ou know it's not tough correcting you guys, I guess you were C students also. Add the one word "us" and you see what he's saying:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get "us" stuck in Iraq."
Posted by: Ed at October 31, 2006 03:36 PM

You fucking amoral prick. You have a lot of nerve trying to cast this as anything but a slip of the tongue. You have no fucking shame.

Mitchell;

I stand corrected, You did not say "all."

Your weasiling attempt to differntiate between bias and hatred doesn't fit one of your intelligence particularly since you are putting words an an intent into Moran's mouth. A nice try in a courtroom though. But that's all, a nice try.

Halperin agreed it was "hate." So there you go.

I don't care how he meant it.....if this somehow helps the Dems lose, it is fabulous.

I am really hoping that the Republicans hold both the house and senate, just to hear that evil beetch Pelosi scream herself into a stroke.