Hard to believe anyone would be stupid enough to let Kerry open his mouth at their campain rally.

So Kerry honestly believes that EVERY person serving in Iraq is an idiot. Many are black and/or female.

WoW.

Well, he speaks his mind honestly - and the thoughts of most all liberals....

THAT'S typical liberal UNsupport of out troops....

AND disdain for minorites....

I wonder if Kerry feels the same way about those who served in other wars. Like say Vietnam for instance.

Without the rest of the speech in context I'm wondering if this was really a swipe at Bush for "being stupid and stuck in Iraq"? In other words, was he taking a swipe at Bush, missed and hit the soldiers instead? We already know that IQ wise Kerry isn't one of the brightest and doesn't think on his feet too well. Don't forget that at the height of being accused of being a flip-flopper he handed the Repubs a classic sound bite of "...voted for before voting against..." line.

Either way he is an ass and stupid for saying it I'm just wondering to what depth his stupidity in this remark goes?

Kerry should know by know exactly what size shoe his mouth wears. I can't wait to hear him explain what he meant.

Please God,

Let him out more.

I suppose that's possible, Faith, but you'd really expect him to use the phrase "get us stuck" rather than "get stuck". Us is one of those rabidly friendly words politicians are trained to use, and use often...

Such an idiot.

Once in awhile, a liberal like Kerry REALLY say what they believe....

The rest of the time, they lie.

Lee must be sleeping off after last night's bender. How about Mongo and Hugh?

"You'll be shocked at what John Kerry said about our troops in Iraq "

No, not really!

Typical con post. Take something out of context to beat the messenger with while ignoring the real issue. The fact is we need the poor to fight our wars and Bush and his cronies are doing a great job of producing and recruiting them.

I say again sign John Conyers bill to bring back the draft.....NO EXCEPTIONS. John Kerry's a good intelligent honest man....he's certainly no Con.

"....newly released Pentagon demographic data show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks of going to war"

"Many of today's recruits are financially strapped, with nearly half coming from lower-middle-class to poor households, according to new Pentagon data based on Zip codes and census estimates of mean household income. "

"Nearly two-thirds, 64 percent, of recruits to the military were from counties that have average incomes lower than the national median National Priorities Project said. The group looked at Department of Defense data for 2004."

"If you are poor in America and you are young, you may be able to join the military. We couldn't have a voluntary military without high levels of poverty. And without a voluntary military, we couldn't have perpetual wars because then the politicians and their financial supporters would have to send their own sons and daughters to fight. They wouldn't be any more likely to do this than they would be to volunteer to go themselves to fight. They far prefer to send your sons and daughters to kill and die in foreign lands. In actuality, only one member of Congress had a child fighting in Iraq."

http://www.counterpunch.org/krieger05242003.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/03/AR2005110302528_3.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/krieger05242003.html

muirgeo, why don't you do this world, and mankind a great big favor, and just cease to exist.

muirgeo,,,

out of context???

It couldn't be MORE in context.

....and FOR ONCE - Kerry was ACTUALLY being truthful on how he feels about the troops.

Sorry Muirgeo, no way to spin this one.

Kerry is and always has been an elitist piece of crap.

Oh please, PLEASE let the democrats campaign on bringing back the draft. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

Being "smart" and being knowledgeable are two different meanings. You do not have to be smart to go to school you go to school to get knowledge. Smarts just helps you get that knowledge. Something Kerry seems to be lacking in both areas.

I'll translate for Muriego:

"Here's a long post to see if I can distract from what my fellow idiot liberal said, cuz there is no defending it."

So Muirego, since the statement printed was taken verbatim, from what John Kerry said, why, do you not put it into context for us? If you want to defend that communist liar go ahead.

Kerry's upper class disdain of those of lower socio-economic standing is an atrocity. He just cannot contain himself. Had a Republican uttered this the Clinton News Network would be running s special on the military and showing how diverse it was as we sit here.

there is NO additional context needed...and no POSSIBLE excuse for Kerry!

America dodged a huge bullet when this a**hole was defeated in 2004.

I can't wait for John F'ing Kerry to throw hit hat (the one he got from the secret CIA guy) in the ring.

He's so entertaining and an absolute hoot to make fun of.

I have never seen a bigger fraud in politics as John F'ing Kerry.

He should stick to what he knows best...Spending money earned by some woman's other husband.

Gee, John, if you don't want to go to Iraq, maybe you could just marry some rich babe and become a US senator.

What a pathetic, useless excuse for human tissue John Kerry is.

No wonder Theresa Heinz drinks!

I'm trying to think of which one is dumber, Kerry or Maher....

Can an IQ be a negative number???

I say again sign John Conyers bill to bring back the draft.....NO EXCEPTIONS.
Maybe the democrats should run with this up to Nov. 7th. Sounds like a winner!

One of Karl Rove's favorite tricks is to slip liberals the truth serum and watch em go.

Karl, you devil you.

"with nearly half coming from lower-middle-class to poor household"

So nearly half come from half the population. Shocking.

Can an IQ number be negative? I don't see why not. John F'n Kerry is an intellectual black hole and not only has no thoughts of his own, but actually sucks thoughts out of the heads of others, creating a zone a stupidity around him. The good news is, being a democrap, that there are so few thoughts or ideas among the people he associates with, that he isn't getting any bigger.

PS. I believe the "reinstitute the draft, no exceptions" gig is the brainchild (guffaw) of Charlie Rangel. And speaking of Charlie, there is an old technique for talking after a laryngectomy. The patient swallows air and burps it back out again, producing speech. Charlie proves it works from the other end as well.

Muirgeo makes an interesting fact based argument, and backs his statements up with sources.

Rather than respond to his ideas and his argument with an honest discussion, I'm seeing what looks more like chattering monkeys in the trees flinging verbal poo.

Let's consider... Kerry is a decorated war veteran, recognized for bravery and injuries on the battle field.

Now, the current administration... Bush didn't want to do the vietnam tour, so got strings pulled to get a cush assignment protecting Texas skies from the vietnamese. He wanted to be a pilot like his father, but unlike his father who was a real life hero, he was a bit of a wash out. His final status on discharge was with flight status revoked. From what we can tell, he never really made an honest effort to even finish his military service.

Then there is Cheney. This guy applied for and received five (5) deferrals from military service. Apparently, he had things that were more important to do that getting his ass shot up in the mud in Southeast Asia.

And Karl Rove... Well he managed to dodge the draft by going to school part time in Utah for a while, then dropping out, then going to Maryland and getting deferred, then dropping his classes there.

Well, then Tom Delay... Remember, he was the guy that claimed he tried to enlist, but was told that the "minorities" had already filled most of the available positions. You remember when that came up? Back when we learned George Walker Bush's vice president Dan Quale had also weasled out of vietnam.

Denny Hastert? Nope, nothing there. No service on his resume.

Other than Donald Rumsfeld, who has legitimate military service, the Republican leadership is filled with draft dodgers, draft weasles, and chickenhawks.

So when we talk about Kerry being "elitest", we should also recognize that he actualy had mud on his boots.

Not everybody can say that.

Some had fathers that made calls to congressmen.

Or pretended to go to school.

Or lied in any number of ways.

And some people served....

John

John Kerry-the gift that keeps on giving. Please, no questioning of his patriotism or his concern about the troops. His feelings on the subjects are self evident to all but the LLL's.

PS-You gotta love how the LLL's are trying to spin this. If they don't watch out they will turn into centrifuges.

I see that Muriego has slithered away in shame.

And just think. This guy could have been Commander in Chief of our military.

Looks like I have to give back my Bachelors and Juris Doctorate degrees now.

Kerry has demeaned our military for 35 years now- nothing has changed. He just admits his beliefs and the beliefs of the left more often now...

Muirego,
watch the entire video. There is no doubt about what he meant. Once again, you define hypocrite to perfection.

The fact that military in all branches are more educated than their civilian counterparts always seems to escape liberals who have no need for the truth when bloviating.

This is just a continuation of what he thought of the Americans that served in Vietnam. Records are still available when and where (in the U.S. congress) he called the Americans serving in Vietnam baby murderers, rapist and then he progressed down.
Hanoi John Kerry should have been arrested, tried and shot as a traitor in the 70's because that's exactly what he was and it could be proven.

He has not changed. He's still a traitor who caused the death of thousands of Americans and millions of civilians in Southeast Asia in the 60-70's and the death of hundreds of Americans and thousands of Iraqi's in the past 5 years.

Yep, he's a great hero for the left wing anti-american democrats. I truly dis-respect anyone that voted for the slime bag in 04 and that respect will never come back. Hanoi John along with his supporters should be shunned forever.

Want a worker, hire someone just discharged from the military or someone from the local community college where we can control 'who' teaches what and fire the liberal idiots that show up.

John,

Don't forget all the Democrats that took the same route towards the draft like your heroes Bill Clinton, Howard Dean, Dan Rather (who dodged the Korean War draft), Bill Bradley and all the Democrats who dodged the draft. Even Joe Lieberman (excommunicated Democrat) dodged the draft.

You know, anyone who actually lived during that time knew full well that draft dodging was an equal opprotunity employer. The thing is that Democrats think that it was perfectly OK to do so, as long as you are a Democrat.

One other thing, Johnny boy....

Why do Democrats want to bring back the draft? Is it because they know that no one who currently serves in the armed forces will no longer do so with someone like Hillary or Jean-Francois Kerry as President? It will be so much fun listening to those squealing LLL kiddies when their Democratic heroes that they worship send them a draft notice.

Muirego's first quote is only half the paragraph. here's the other half:

"Nearly two-thirds of Army recruits in 2004 came from counties in which median household income is below the U.S. median."

Wouldn't it be fair to ask what the cost of living is in those areas? Even a job in Burger King pays more in Chicago than it does in Dierks, Arkansas. The cost of living is also less in the latter.

And he quotes Krieger twice. This is the guy who thinks that using a different standard for Iran acquiring a nuclear bomb is hypocritical and wrong. In this article, while he berates the US for not being genuine and adhering to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, he then admits clearly:

"While Iran has begun enriching, it is nowhere near the level needed for nuclear weapons. But that possibility cannot be ruled out. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has tried for three years to find out about Iran's nuclear program. So far, Iran has provided inadequate transparency, according to the IAEA."

Krieger has never spared a kind word for this administration in everything he writes. But Muirgeo likes that. Everything boils down to Bush for him. If I remember correctly, this is one of the symptoms of BDS.

Rangel will bring back the draft if the democrats take over both houses of congress, but the draft will have a loop hole that idiots (all democrats) will not be required to serve.

Kerry has been and always will be a traitor and an idoiot.

John, where is your hero's military records? Phony as they are we should be able to see them. He's spent millions (his wife's money) having them modified (or lost) but we should still see the ones that exist. I still have a copy of the SF180 saved and will gladly forward him another copy if he's lost the thousands we sent him in 04. I much prefer a highly qualified Fighter Pilot to a 'boat' captain that 'cut and run' on his crew after less than four months in country. Evidently he spent the entire four months writing himself up for citations, and filming made up combat stories which didn't leave time to do his assigned job, oh, and collecting special forces hats on the black market.

This is all seared, seared in my mind.

Nahanni,

I lived during that time. I registered for the draft, but my number did not come up.

And I was scarred shitless. But I did it.

Here's why I support the draft....

It's time that we stop fighting stupid wars for business interests.

Let's be honest. If we've got to pay in blood, the blood we spill should come from all levels of society, not just our poor, or minorities, or the under educated.

Until everybody has to pay in equal measure, we won't take the death and destruction seriously.

I have a great deal of respect for people like Ronald Reagan, John Murtha, George H Bush, Max Cleland, Tammy Duckworth. I even honor Donald Rumsfeld, and ScrapIron.

I have very little respect for people like Dick Cheney who spent considerable energy keeping himself safe, but he has apparently no problem sending other peoples sons and daughthers to be killed for economic interests.

As a great nation, when we start laying ALL of our children on the altar, I think we'll start making better decisions.

And I think we'll start taking this seriously.

What a joke that "support the troops" line is.

If you support the troops, how about enlisting. How about mowing some poor ladies lawn or making a casserole for her because her husband is deployed and she's just too goddamn overwhelmed with three kids and no helpmate. How about you quit driving around with the stupid damn bumpersticker, because the troops can't see it anyway. How about you start supporting better education for veteran's orphans and start enforcing better healthcare for vets.

How about you knock off all the stupid "support" talk, and start doing the "support" stuff.

How about you bring 'em home.

John

This is why the average Joe doesn't trust the Dems--the typical looking-down-their-nose snobbiness, and lack of respect for the military.

In a nutshell, there you have the gist of the problem for the Dims.

"Until everybody has to pay in equal measure, we won't take the death and destruction seriously."

Well wait now. We had a draft during the Vietnam years. Would you say that no one was taking death and destruction seriously then? So is it WITH a draft or WITHOUT a draft that we don't take death and destruction seriously?

Was the rest of your comment some version of a chickenhawk argument? All those things you mention are being done by millions of people; Democrats and Republicans alike. Just because you finish off with "bring them home" it doesn't mean that's the only "real" support you can give them.

The only honest thing you said was: "I have a great deal of respect for people like Ronald Reagan, John Murtha, George H Bush, Max Cleland, Tammy Duckworth. I even honor Donald Rumsfeld, and ScrapIron." I even honor John Kerry's service. It's what he did afterwards, and is still doing, that I find despicable.

Oh Johnny boy,

I lived during that time. I registered for the draft, but my number did not come up.

Isn't that nice. Both my brothers volunteered, one served two tours.

And I was scarred shitless. But I did it.

Because you were too scared to run to Canada I presume.

Here's why I support the draft....

Of course, all Democrats support reinstating the draft.

It's time that we stop fighting stupid wars for business interests.

Unless, of course, they profit your friends business interests.

You were more then happy to overlook Saddam gassing thousands, filling mass graves, feeding people into shredders and you think he is an all around wonderful guy. You and your ilk were more then happy to watch the Taliban execute gays by throwing them off building and shooting women for showing a bit of ankle from under their burqqa. You and your ilk cheered everytime the Islamofascists blew up Americans or the Saddam financed "shahids" blew up Israelis (haven't you wondered why there aren't as many splodydopes? Could it be that Saddam isn't buying them from their families anymore?). But now, for *some* reason your ilk have their panties in a bunch about Darfur. The Democrats would love to see our servicemen and women die for Darfur. After all, it is all about Chinese, French, Ausrian and Canadian oil fields and pipelines that need to be protected. Don't beleive me? Here is a handy map for you http://www.rightsmaps.com/html/sudmap2.html

Let's be honest. If we've got to pay in blood, the blood we spill should come from all levels of society, not just our poor, or minorities, or the under educated.

Read this.
http://www.militaryconnections.com/news_story.cfm?textnewsid=1767

Oh, btw...

Of the 20 or so family members and friends I currently have serving in the Persian Gulf region in the armed forces all of them except one had a Bachelors degree or better. In fact most of them have Masters degrees. They come from all walks of life, too. Two are professional helicopter pilots, one an airline pilot, a doctor, a national park ranger, a software engineer, an archtectural engineer, etc.. Some are career military and some joined for the benefits but knew full well that they were not joining the Boy/Girl Scouts-they knew there was a chance of pointy-sharpie things being shot at them.

In fact, hun, the "poor minorities" and the "undereducated" are somewhat underrepresented in today's military.

Until everybody has to pay in equal measure, we won't take the death and destruction seriously.

Obviously you did not feel that you were required to do so during Vietnam. My brothers did.

I have a great deal of respect for people like Ronald Reagan, John Murtha, George H Bush, Max Cleland, Tammy Duckworth. I even honor Donald Rumsfeld, and ScrapIron.

Your eyes must be brown because you are full of it. But go ahead and make your "qualifying statement" so you can feel better. I know it is a crock anyway.

I have very little respect for people like Dick Cheney who spent considerable energy keeping himself safe, but he has apparently no problem sending other peoples sons and daughthers to be killed for economic interests.

How do you feel about Bill Clinton who is somewhat proud of the fact that he dodged the draft? How do you feel about Howard Dean and the others I mentioned. I guess as long as they are Democrats it was OK for them to dodge the draft and even makes them heroes in your book. What a hypocrite you are.

As a great nation, when we start laying ALL of our children on the altar, I think we'll start making better decisions.

You are more then willing to lay "your children" on the altar of Islamofascism but very unwilling to "lay them on the altar" to defend this country.

What a joke that "support the troops" line is.

For the Democrats it certainly is. They do not support our servicemen and women. They spit on them.

If you support the troops, how about enlisting.

One would think after 5 years you would've figured out that tossing the old "chickenhawk" card doesn't work. You automatically lose the argument, hun. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

BTW-I currently have 6 relatives in the Persian Gulf area in the military. Is that good enough for you? How many do you have serving there?

How about mowing some poor ladies lawn or making a casserole for her because her husband is deployed and she's just too goddamn overwhelmed with three kids and no helpmate.

I do things like that because I actually know folks who are over there. Why don't you get off your behind and do something of that nature or would they throw you out of the Democratic party and suspend your posting rights at Kos for doing so?

How about you quit driving around with the stupid damn bumpersticker, because the troops can't see it anyway.

Um...They see it everytime I drive over to the base when some come home. Don't worry, they will still defend your right to make a complete jackass out of yourself. At the rate you are going you can be the new Democratic party mascot.

How about you start supporting better education for veteran's orphans and start enforcing better healthcare for vets.

I do. Unlike you, hypocrite.

How about you knock off all the stupid "support" talk, and start doing the "support" stuff.

I do. Unlike you, hypocrite. But I suppose you are too busy spitting on them to be of any further "assistance" to them.

How about you bring 'em home.

When the job is done, they will come home. Not that you reallyt care anyway. You want them home so they will quit killing your Islamofascist heroes. I do not "question your patriotism"-you have show quite adequately that you are on the side of the enemy. I do not "question your support for our servicemen and women" because you do not support them. You hate them, you spit on them. You have their blood on your hands, obtained in the worst way imaginable. The same way a fratricide obtains it but in your case you activly support others to do your dirty work. That is very bad Karma, hun. And one day your Karma is going to run both you and your Dogma over.

Notice how all the moonbats will discuss ANYTHING - at length - except Kerry's slam at the troops?

The real point is the left doesn't support the war OR the troops.

There were many men on both sides of the isle that used legitimate methods for not going to war. As a VietNam vet I have no problem with any of them. Those that I do have a problem with are the ones who ran off to Canada to avoid service, and most of all the guy that pardened them. Jimmy Carter is the one who needs to be tried for treason.

Kerry displayed his cowardice when he fled the battlefield in VietNam, leaving other boats to fight without his boat for support. The guy was a looser back then, and still is.

muirgeo:

If you use the draft to fill up the military with rich kids, what are the poor ones going to use for jobs. They can't compete with the Hispanics for the low level jobs, and by your own S. Kerry's words are to stupid to do anything else.

John,

Did you not see the post by Ed Colletta earlier? The stat was thrown out there that NEARLY HALF of the enlistees were from lower-middle class to poor households. So, your assertion that: "If we've got to pay in blood, the blood we spill should come from all levels of society, not just our poor, or minorities, or the under educated." appears to be the fact of the matter right now.
It pisses me off that people like you pull this crap every time some issue regarding the intelligence/integrity of our soldiers/sailors/airman/marines comes up. The liberal attitude that the only people that would want (read: be desperate enough) to join the US Armed Forces are those that have no other opportunities in life is not only absurd, but insulting as well. I come from a middle class background and joined the Air Force directly out of high school because I couldn't afford college (you see, I didn't have a trust fund like Mr. Kerry). Not only did I earn the money for college that I was looking for, but I was (am) proud as hell to have had the opportunity to give back to the county that afforded me so may freedoms. In the 10 years that I served, I met several folks that came from lower income backgrounds and NOT ONE that I met made me think that they joined out of desperation. Each one joined the service with the mindset that it was a way to improve their lot in life. Let me tell you one more thing... I recently enlisted in the AF Reserve and while I was getting my physical, I had the opportunity to see the type of person that was looking to join the other services (as all services go to the same place to get their physicals). There were a few for the Navy (6 or so), one for Active Duty Air Force (and one for the AF reserve, me), 10 or 12 for the Army, but, the group for the USMC was well over 2 dozen! They could not all fit in the office, they were waiting in the hall way. So I ask you this, if the poor people are only enlisting in the military as a last resort, do you not think they would pick one that was a bit less hazardous (considering the climate)?

So you can take that talk of "laying ALL of our children on the altar" and shove it, because I think we already are.

John, or who ever you are. Bullshit.

I recommend everyone to revisit this article again, maybe forward it too John "F'n" Kerry to read before he opens his cock holster again.

I am on active duty, and this pisses me off

/sorry for the bad language everyone...

Glorify the fact that we train kids to kill. It's the 21st century killing is kosher for Americans to show the way to the future. We are still brainwashing kids to believe that warrior status is preferable to peaceniks. Diss the peacemakers but provide billions of treasury and gallons of blood to escape blame for fomenting unrest.

Yes, bullying is preferable to using our brains when dealing with cultures that have an issue with foreign countries occupying their land for their natural resources. No one in their right mind in an elevated,evolutionary society in the future will ever believe we encouraged this this to happen.

To respond to that:

In the absense of orders, find something and kill it" - Erwin Rommel.

Lesson: War is inevitible. Get over it.

civil behavior,

"It needs but one foe to breed a war, not two.... And those who have not swords can still die upon them. Would you have the folk of Gondor gather you herbs only, when the Dark Lord gathers armies?"-Eowyn

The Islamofascists wish that everyone in the west were as weak and blind as you. It is much easier for them to behead a willing victim then an unwilling. And you are a willing victim.

This guy has hated men in uniform for 36 years. Still does. Guess what? The hatred is mutual!

an old exJarhead
Nam 1967 + 1968

yup and this is what happens:

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