Let's not forget that he was the liberals choice two years ago...the apparent best that the Democrats could offer America. Thanks Kerry, you're the gift that keeps on giving.

You know, I'm almost ashamed of how much I'm enjoying the Kerry implosion.

Almost.

Oh yeah, you got him now. Stop the bullshit; you know what he's saying. Like this line from Bob Dylan:

Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail...

I was told in high school by one of my teachers that if I didn't do better I'd wind up in the navy.

I wound up in the navy.

You?

One quibble: Why are his remarks so unbelievable? This is, after all, John Kerry we're talking about.

Final snark:

Democratic 2006 Platform (revised): Tough on Taxpayers, Hard on Our Troops, Soft on Terrroism.

HOW did he EVER win the senate seat????????????

What pleases me are times like this when the heat of a hotly contested campaign is over and the candidate can let his hair down a little and speak from the heart and not be preoccupied about the kind of image he has to project to get every last vote he can. It is incredible that M-ass-achusetts can keep electing the pair of clods it does for the US Senate.

It may be a common enough attitude, but it's not true, and it's comming from someone who tried to get to be CIC on the basis of his military background... not Bob Dylan.

Someone aspiring to command the whole military has a higher standard than your teacher in high school.

Kerry says he meant that the Bush administration were the ones that were uneducated and he wasn't refering to the troops, and I strongly favor that explanation.

Perhaps if the GOP wants to win they could exert an equal amount of energy to something that isn't quite possibly misleading and to something that actually matters. For instance, trying to call Democratic candidates on their immigration stances or explaining to voters why those stances are wrong.

Coming from a first class chicken hawk who used papa's influence to avoid the war and still was AWOL from the gaurd...IT MEANS NOTHING!!! Now this same chickenhawk thinks he can use the active duty soldiers to his political advantage???

The guy knows he's fighting for his life to avoid impeachment, imprisonment and war crimes.

The guy knows he's fighting for his life to avoid impeachment, imprisonment and war crimes.

Posted by: muirgeo at October 31, 2006 06:32 PM

Ahh, the democratic party platform...

Even if Kerry meant the remarks towards President Bush, they're still grossly insulting, and he did insult the troops by association.

Loser.

It may be a common enough attitude, but it's not true, and it's comming from someone who tried to get to be CIC on the basis of his military background... not Bob Dylan.

But it's an attitude that's a holdover from our g-g-g-generation. All it proves is that Kerry is kind of old, and that he's drinking more Courvoisier than he ought. Or Laphroaig. Or both.

As for the people betting that this will reverse the Republicans' fortunes, you are some funny little people.

muirgeo just so everyone will know who I am talking about,I will use your handle as you write it--You are one dumb SOB.

"Kerry says he meant that the Bush administration were the ones that were uneducated and he wasn't refering to the troops, and I strongly favor that explanation."

I don't buy that - he stuck his foot in his mouth with some ill-prepared remarks - let him chew.

This issue is however, way overblown (not surprising for this close to the election - but way overblown). What Kerry was trying to say was that if you don't do well in school your options are limited - the armed services being one - a well-known option for those who don't choose to pursue college or a career directly out of high school.

My opinion is that Kerry is an idiot, and should be sent packing from the Democratic Party. I can't believe some of the stupid things that guys says, and he has a great deal of difficulty getting his point across. In this 10 second sound bite world - he'll never survive another campaign.

Conservative hosts are always talking about having twords being taken out of context (maybe with good reason I see now). Everyone would be helped by knowing the full context especially the preface to Kerry's controversial remarks and best I can figure out Kerry's subject was Bush and not the individual troops. From The New York Times. "Kerry opened with several one-liners, joking at one point that President Bush had lived in Texas but now "lives in a state of denial." Then, Kerry said (to his college audience)
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't - you get stuck in Iraq." Kerry, a Yale graduate voluntereed to serve in Vietnam, (unlike everyone else in the Administration) so if anything the joke would be him, which seem pretty unlikely. He might joke about Bush, but one thing Kerry never jokes about is his war experience.

Rhetorical question for morally superior libs who accused Republicans of allegedly defending the indefensible in the Foley Scandal (though no GOPer actually approve of Foley's behavior): Now who's doing it.

Even dumber then old shitface "astigafa".

"pucker puss" (lee lee) trying to do damage control. LMAO

John Kerry is a US Senator. The man speaks for a living. He should be able to do better. If the tables were turned.... Well, you know the rest. You folks who dislike Bush can complain all you want about him. But Kerry is nothing but a clown and provides absolutely no shining contrast to Bush. You people need to get real serious when it comes to nominating opposing presidential candidates. You would rather take an elitist, sanctimonious stance and blame an 'ignorant' public on your past losses. You could not accept that people were just not turned on by the two starch-shirted rubes you nominated in the past. Bush may be a daddy's boy but father's help their sons all the time. At least Bush doesn't have to go sniffing for trust fund support outside his family. Kerry is an idiot, you guys should lose him and move on. As a conservative I know you guys can do better. I am not sure you guys know that.

I think the long knives are getting ready to come out.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2619383&page=1

" A Democratic congressman told ABC News, Tuesday, "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too.""

Notice that no name is mentioned but since ABCNEWS printed this I consider that a very bad sign for Mr Personality.

Lee,

Stop it. That's twice in less than 7 days that we agree on something.

(vurp)

Oy, I'm nauseous again...

"As for the people betting that this will reverse the Republicans' fortunes, you are some funny little people."

I disagree, these are some very strange MoFos direct from planet Hypocrisy - but let them have their 14:59 of joy. They need something to celebrate - let them think this will make a difference.

Geeze, Lee the Troll posted something above that I kinda agree with. Now excuse me while I go soak my brain in bleach.

Don't sweat the load astigafa, it's only going to mobilize the Republican base that was sitting on its hands to go vote now.

You can bet the farm that there's some serious phone time burning right now by Democratic operatives scrambling around trying to figure out a better excuse than the one that crass fucktard spit out this morning.

His statement yesterday simply proves a point, he never has valued the American military nor understood it. It was merely a vehicle he was supposed to use to become president.

Now it's all blowing up in his face and he deserves ever bit of the shitstorm he created.

This is some serious shadenfreud I'm enjoying, and it's only going to get better because he's digging in.

Yup, sure was a dumb thing to say. Way to go. No wonder he almost tied Bush in the elections.

The guy knows he's fighting for his life to avoid impeachment, imprisonment and war crimes.

So when Pelosi recently said that impeachment wasn't part of the Dem platform, she was lying??????

"My opinion is that Kerry is an idiot, and should be sent packing from the Democratic Party." -Lee

So Lee, Kerry was the Demon-ratic BEST in '04. So tell me, WHY DOES IT THAK THE Demon-rats like you SO F**KING LONG TO FIGURE THINGS LIKE THIS OUT??? I KNEW IT YEARS AGO!!!

Apologist Steve Crickmore claims that Kerry was quoted out of context and was anot insulting the military. Then he gives the whole quote in context. Steve, you better pack your bags, because if dumb gets you sent to Iraq, as Kerry said, your dumb ass is booked in the seat next to his dumb ass and they're boarding now.

The extended quote didn't make me feel any less insulted.

Lee, murigeo, and astigafa,

Enough with the "chickenhawk" perjorative already.

If you guys are so determined that the USA is wrong in fighting terrorists - er, "freedom fighters", "insurgents", "militants", etc., etc. - then why aren't you all in Iraq or Afghanistan, protecting them?

Did either of you stand to protect the ones you believe in?

Human shields, anyone? anyone? Buehler? anyone?

Chickendoves, all three of you, too afraid to act on your beliefs.

Hypocrites.

/spit

Kerry's explanation that he was trying to make a joke about Bush is certainly believeable. Either way I am glad to see him take himself out of the running for 2008. As for the 2006 elections, Kerry's not on the ballot, but Bush is. This election is a referendum on Bush.

Unfortunately, there is not even a whimper on the right-wing blogs today about how Iraqi PM Maliki has ordered our troops to take down the checkpoints they had setup around Sadr City to search for our MIA soldier over there. Where's the outrage over that? All of you in here like to talk about "supporting the troops". How about a posting that condemns Maliki's actions today?

WOW!! So the context comes out. Kerry WAS NOT even talking about the troops he was talking about the administration, its failure to study the pre-war situation and the resultant quagmire that is Iraq. he was spot on and the right wing nutjobs have been caught in a feeding frenzy that is nothing but a lie and a straw man argument on a quote took OUT OF CONTEXT.

Who's the lying shameless asses NOW????

On October 31, several Fox News anchors and on-screen text during Fox News programming misrepresented what Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA) said during an October 30 speech at a campaign rally in Pasadena, California, by simply adopting the White House's characterization of Kerry's remarks -- that Americans who don't "study hard" and "make an effort and be smart" get "stuck in Iraq." In fact, Kerry said, "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Stop the frothing and spare us from the mock outrage. So the guy can't deliver a punch line without screwing it up. Big deal.

W. needs the gaff to distract people from the fact that the U.S. troops got booted out of Sadr City by his friend, the Iraqi PM.

So when Pelosi recently said that impeachment wasn't part of the Dem platform, she was lying??????

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Not really lying...maybe a white lie. She realizes the impeachment will begin in a committee, I believe the House Ethics committee, which she will not preside over or even be on.

So yeah you're boy will be impeached if he doesn't commit suicide first. That's my prediction....first president to commit suicide while in office. This guys a dam waiting to burst. He will reap what he has sown.

muirgeo, you and lee are morons.

Kerry is by no means the first politician to have made a verbal misstep...The most famous offender that comes to mind is our sitting president..There is such an embarrassment of riches of verbal gaffes, many about the serious business of war that I don't know where to begin?..How about his the 25 worst Bushisms including number 6, about the futile searching for Weapons of Mass Destruction, that Kerry took great exception to, and rightfully so.

I didn't really mean that in the post above.

Like Kerry, what I REALLY meant was that George Bush is one of the greatest Presidents ever - behind Reagan.

Muirgeo:

The House Judiciary Committee would handle impeachments. I don't have any problems with the Dems pursuing impeachment but they should make it part of their campaign. Truth in advertisement. Just like they should say they will cut funding for the ignorant and uneducated losers who are fighting the wars in Iraq and Afganistan, and they will raise taxes. Just say the truth and let the people decide. We don't need any "white lies".

This is completely embarrASSing for the right wing blogosphere. They've got nothing!!!...but lies.

Do you silly fools realize that this failure of an administration is as far right as this country will EVER go? The things you want like protection from homo's, anti-choice legislation, illegal immigration fixes, flat taxes, a roll back in federal programs ect .....WILL NEVER....NEVER....NEVER...come from a right wing administration...they will come from the middle and the left.

The country you envision has never been, will never be and could never be...you live in a pipe dream world and will always have to deal with us liberals, the facts and the realities of the world you'll never accept...must suck to be you.

Just like they should say they will cut funding for the ignorant and uneducated losers who are fighting the wars in Iraq and Afganistan, and they will raise taxes. Just say the truth and let the people decide. We don't need any "white lies".

Posted by: Proud Kaffir

I agree the dems are ball-less and need to speak truth. I'm sick of liar politicians and if the dems get in I'll hopld their feet to the fire as well and NOT make eery frickin concievable exuse for them as the BushBots have for The McChimpmister. But here again you're lying because Kerry wasn't talking about the troops he was talking about the administration.

again...folks who have never responded to the call and been a part of of our militery sound off...if you have not had the personal courage to put your life on the line by joining..remember if if your are 42 or younger you can enlist...shut the f**k up...yeah spout your BS from the comfort of where ever you are...you don't even have the courage or compassion to visit you local V.A. hospital...so keep on crapping on someone..who you may not like..but at least did more than you...which is serve...
..yeah I know you cannot interfere with your life to put your body where your mouth is...but anyone...who takes an attitude toward someone who served..without serving...is a spinless idiot...

A shock - Wizbang misinterprets something.

I didn't really mean that in the post above.

Like Kerry, what I REALLY meant was that George Bush is one of the greatest Presidents ever - behind Reagan.

Posted by: steak111111

And you are the biggest and dullest tool in the shed. I pity you.

All i did was the EXACT same thing Kerry claimed.

LOLOLOLOL

It would be really funny to dig back into the archives and see what the other libs who are here poopooing Kerry now (to try to whitewash this mess) and compare what they are saying now versus what they said then.

...you don't even have the courage or compassion to visit you local V.A. hospital.....

Posted by: nogo

Not only that but they support a party that disregards the needs of the Vets.

http://www.vetsforjustice.com/

Aw, kids, that no way to talk about Bush's family members. This anti-American rhetoric of yours is starting to come dangerously close to treason. Remember, Bush IS America, so vicariously, his family is ALSO America, so if you trash-talk Bush's cousin, you're trash-talking America.

"WOW!! So the context comes out. Kerry WAS NOT even talking about the troops he was talking about the administration, its failure to study the pre-war situation and the resultant quagmire that is Iraq. he was spot on and the right wing nutjobs have been caught in a feeding frenzy that is nothing but a lie and a straw man argument on a quote took OUT OF CONTEXT.

Who's the lying shameless asses NOW????'

Uh, that would be John Kerry, sir.

For he studied, and learned and thought and pondered, and made the most out of his education and analyzed the pre-war situation as well as his deep, variegated, sees-all-shades-of-gray mind would allow...and made speeches attacking Saddam Hussein over WMD, and ended up voting for the use of force resolution (that's voting for the toppling of the Hussein regime, regardless of his well-after spin that he was voting that way just to give the President a "strong hand to complete the inspections".)

So Mr. Kerry was joshing with the students to be more like him...and vote for the Iraq War?

And by the way, the only one who sounds like a nutjob here is...you.

Muireo, you lying sob. You spin like you were part of the Clinton misadministrationl. I hope you idiots try to impeach Bush. He will not be found guilty by the Senate which will have enough republicans to prevent such a decision, thus preventing a civil war. Sparing your life. If the dems win the house, they will have a large group of idiots, liars and liberals incharge. Pelosi, Rangle, and Conyers. That will just about put an end to the democrats forever.

Hey "reitred"...I served 1969-1972...when was your service?...I am so tired of non-service folks telling us what it is really like....I am sure you have run into the same problem...it is so easy for the left or the right who have not been in combat to proclaim ...ah...anything ...we may have served under different circumsances...but at least we served.........again..anyone who has not served...please refain from espousing you coward words as anything with meaning...

Wanderlust, I'm loving your channeling Ben Stein ("Bueller, anyone?") Bwahahahah... hilarious.

"Chickendoves" I love that too!

ah...Rag.....I am assuming you heard the call after 9/11 to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here...I respect that...I respect you and all my brothers and sisters who serve our nation...they..as they should..respond to the reasonable orders to re-deploy to Iraq so we are not fighting Al-Q hand to hand on the street where we live...

Nogo

I was in 1978-1998.

This issue is however, way overblown (not surprising for this close to the election - but way overblown).

While it may seem to be overblown to you Lee, rest assured that the military, a significant block of voters, will not forget the democratic inference that we are somehow less intelligent.

The funniest thing is....

this was the man that the Democrats believed to be the best canidate that they could find in 2004... that speaks volumes about the Democrats.

Mike,

Even after this, he is still their best for 2008 as well.

Coming from a first class chicken hawk who used papa's influence to avoid the war and still was AWOL from the gaurd...IT MEANS NOTHING!!!

Posted by: muirgeo

muiregohome.....President Bush is serving right now as Commander in Chief of all the Armed Forces and has been the last 6 years.

The rest you made up along with Dan Rather.

retired...than I am assuming you were deployed during the "Gulf War"...I hope your personal health is well..so many of our brothers and sisters are seeking help from the V.A. for what our govt. has discounted as "Gulf war syndrome..I am sure you share the frustration of those who served...but are treated with disrespect for "imaginary" symptoms..I am sure you know..first hand..the exposure our troops faced and the medical reprecussions...bless you for your service and understanding...

About Kerry volunteering for vietnam: Kerry served .3 (that is 3/10) of ONE tour. But he did have secret Christmas missions into Cambodia ( Where NO ONE was allowed to go at that time) He called vietnam vets ....gengis kahns..., he called Iraq vets criminals for attacking families in the night etc, BUT he supports the troops? HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT FOR TREASON IN 1971, ALONG WITH HANOI JANE FONDA!!!!!

as for respect for our troops...where is the outcry aginst Bush Inc. deciding that pictures of our brave men and women returning with respect in flag drapped coffins should not be shared with the nation they died for...we should not be ashamed of those who gave their lives..we should not pretend it did not happen..
You'all can't have it both ways...if, like me, honor the fallen then DEMAND..that their sacrifice be recognized...to do any less only makes you a hypocrite...

Codeguy...I am assuming you served our nation with valor...bless you for that..I may not agree with you but any vet who saw or was a part of combat has a valid reason for their opinion...

I really love the chickenhawk argument, I really do. It's a quick and sure way to observe that one's opponent is either an idiot or a borderline fascist.

The part I like best is where the arguer doesn't bother think the implications through. Like the idea that non-veterans have no moral authority to hold ideas about war. On the contrary, we're all citizens here (I'm assuming that, of course), with equal moral authority to hold an opinion.

Even if it's a stupid opinion.

That's just one of the many beauties of the Constitution. Last time I checked, current or prior military service isn't a prerequisite for ANY rights or ANY office stated in the Constitution.

If it's too hard to find a link to the text of the Constitution, I'm sure that someone here can help you out. :)

nogo postal:

False alarm. Here are the facts. The president who enacted the ban on photos from Dover AFB was former President George Bush because during the 1991 Persian Gulf War he got mad when the MEDIA used a split screen to air the coffin ceremonies alongside his news briefing with reporters, in which he was seen to laugh at one point.

Since then the press blackout has been enforced intermittently and used selectively for political reasons by former President Bill Clinton as well as President George W. Bush .
http://www.uvm.edu/~wmiller/coffins.htm

Indeed it did, depriving the deceased heroes and their families of a grateful nation expressing its condolences. On 22 Apr 04 the USAF released the photos from Dover AFB under the Freedom of Information Act. In Apr 05 the Pentagon released more:
http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB152/index.htm

And what exactly did Kerry say that was so reprehensible? The truth? That most people would rather go to college than go and fight in a political war? Or be put in a position where they have to join the army to try and pay their college tuition?

Give me a break! You people are such hypocrites its laughable. And shame on Kerry for backing away from his statements. What he should have said was: Yes that's exactly what I meant, and until I see the likes of Toney Snow's kids, and the Bush twins signing up to go and fight, I will stand by those words.

Yeah, like some kid with a Wharton MBA is going to sign up for Iraq. And please, don't give me the examples of all the Phi Beta Kappa'a you know that are over there fighting.The vast majority of those kids who signed up were already in the reserves, or in the Army full time. The people who signed up after 911 out of a sense of patriotism to go and kick OBL's butt have become dissilusioned-insert Pat Tillman's brother here-

Until all the young people in this country have the same options, i.e. mommy and daddy can pay for Johnny's college tuition. I don't want to hear squat about the best and the brightest serving.

Neadless to say, I am disappointed with some of the so called progressives who usually post on this site, for buying into this bu%% shi*.But every one is afraid to tell it like it is, because we are afraid of being called unpatriotic.

Well fu** that; I will tell you who is unpatriotc: Scumbags like Rush Limpboy, and his ilk, who sit behind a mike all day and rally their base into a fever pitch, but the closest his fat, DR boy chasing ass will ever come to a battle field, is wathcing Ollie's war stories on the FAKE NEWS NETWORK.

Again I say, bring back the draft!!!!

field negro...I would re-post your splendidly hateful vomitus above, but it would just eat up bandwidth. I URGE everyone to read and re-read it.

field negro is THE VOICE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!
Period.

Vote Republican...or let the likes of "field negro" destroy your country. It could NOT be plainer!!

The U.S. military's enlisted are dispropotionately less educated than the U.S. average.

Enlistment in the U.S. military is often the best ECONOMIC choice for the less educated and less talented in society (and a decent economic choice at that).

Many enlisted have gotten "stuck in Iraq".

I don't understand all the hubbub.

Kerry REFUSES to apologize because HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID!!

"The U.S. military's enlisted are dispropotionately less educated than the U.S. average.

Enlistment in the U.S. military is often the best ECONOMIC choice for the less educated and less talented in society (and a decent economic choice at that).

Many enlisted have gotten "stuck in Iraq".

I don't understand all the hubbub.

Posted by: mattyd"

Umm DUMBASS

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/highschool.htm

"An all-time high 85 percent of U.S. adults age 25 and over had completed at least high school in 2003, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Also in 2003, 27 percent of adults age 25 and over had a college degree, another record."

Gee 85% of US Adults have high school diplomas.

In the military 99.9% of all military members have high school diplomas. So from jump street the military is 15% ahead of civilians up to the age of 25.

Education is one of the primary things looked at for promotion.

By the time a military recruit hits their first duty station they have recieved anywhere from 8-52 weeks of schooling/training in their MOS.

In short. You dont know what the F*CK you are talking about.

BTW I have a Bachelors, two Associates, and I am currently working on my Masters and my CCNA.

Kiss my uneducated ASS!!!

Flash!!!!! sKerry hires Keith Olbe to change his bandaids on his Vietnam "wounds". Also adds Chrissy Mat. to staff to come up with excuses for his mouth. Alan "eyebrow" Combs sues sKerry for passing over him for the spot. "pucker puss" (lee lee) was last seen crying in his Ovelatine.

There are more idiots on this post than in any home for the demoraticly insane.Those that accuse us of being chicken hawks,Should of been with us in Nam.John Kerry was dishonorable discharged,and only made right by Jimma Carter.Is this your hero.Now you try to say he didn't say what he said.Damn you guys are nuts.The worst is your lying to your selves.You know your wrong but it would be traumatic to wake up.

"Now you try to say he didn't say what he said.Damn you guys"

Wrong! I am saying I want him to own up to what he said. Because he was right!

"BTW I have a Bachelors, two Associates, and I am currently working on my Masters and my CCNA.

Kiss my uneducated ASS!!!"

rm, just remember,education is a relative term.
But good for you; and your point is what exactly?

"My opinion is that Kerry is an idiot"

I'd be interested to know who Lee voted for in '04.

And I believe Muirgeo has lost his tenuous grip on reality. The melodrama is getting, well, more melodramatic.

nogo postal...retired military.....hat tip to you sirs....i served 76-83....i dont think leelee and field negro get the big picture sometimes...gets like that if you try to drive useing your rearview mirror all time

Does anyone still believe that Kerry was talking about the troops and not what is logical, about Bush's policy which has us stuck in Iraq?

The internal logic shows Kerry was talking about Bush.

I think people can see (IF THEY THINK ABOUT IT) that if someone was talking about being dumb and then sent to Iraq but what would eduction have to do with the differance betwen stuck and unstuck if it was not a policy you had control over?

Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) was INCREADIBLY honest when he admitted what was going on: On the October 31 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Armey said of the attacks on Kerry's remarks, "Well, it's pretty standard fare in political discourse. You misconstrue what somebody said. You isolate a statement, you lend your interpretation to it and then feign moral outrage." When host Chris Matthews stated that Kerry "was trashing Bush," Armey responded, "Right," and went on to say, "A fundamental premise of politics is we can make this work if people just never figure it out."

Problem is, some of you, when you are fooled by the Republican lies, you won't admit it because of pride. Look at what Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) said above and think it over a while, I think it could open your eyes to what is really going on in this country.

The judge who put coded messages in his Da Vinci Code plagiarism trial ruling has written another...