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They May Be Stupid, But At Least They Have a Sense of Humor

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Hat tip to Mitchell, who saw this picture at the Drudge Report.

By the way -- the headline is a joke (kinda like the one Kerry claims he was telling, except not as lame). I don't think our troops are stupid, as anyone who has ever read me knows.

Update: Kim and Jay posted above about Kerry's "apology." Smash isn't accepting it and shows what a real apology would look like.


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Comments (83)

Unfortunately, a lot of the... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Unfortunately, a lot of the media the troops get is censored so it's not likely they'll find out that Kerry was not talking about them but instead talking about how an ill-informed president got them their holding that banner.

You guys can only hope to win using lies and mis-information. What does that say about you? Is this how you teach your children Lorie?

A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared text had called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

They aren't stupid. I know ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

They aren't stupid. I know you're saying that in fun Lorie, but I have to speak up for the Democrats who know that to be true as well. Since Kerry was representing my political party when he made those comments, as a Democrat I feel the need to apologize to our men and women in the armed services on behalf of Democrats everywhere.

I am very glad that Kerry stuck his foot in his mouth yesterday, because I am extremely embarrassed by his remarks and his behavior afterwards. Hopefully this guy will be put out to pasture after this. I'll do my part to make that happen, and hopefully other Democrats will join in that effort.

All that is necessary for R... (Below threshold)

All that is necessary for Republicans to win is to get out the Democratic message, which seems to be:

"We can't even get a stupid stump speech right. Why would you trust us to run the country?"

Kerry, by the way, has gone back into hiding back in Washington, D.C.

He cut and ran from the campaign once the going got a little tough. What does that say about his willingness to stand up to those who mean to do our country real harm?

I read dumb people... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

I read dumb people

Then, obviously, the Senato... (Below threshold)

Then, obviously, the Senator can't read.

And Lee, you have nothing to apologize for. Kerry is the one who made the comment and needs to apologize for it.

Oh wow Lorie called the tro... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

Oh wow Lorie called the troops stupid! How degrading how mean spirited... I know you retracted it later in your post but you obviously think the troops are stupid cause you said so.....

Lets post Lorie's comments all over the blogosphere,

Tonight's top story in the blogosphere,

Lorie Byrd stated

"They may be stupid..."

Speaking of the troops has brought controversy over the world wide web. It is apparent that the right wing conservatives believe the troops are stupid......blah blah blah blah.....

@ LeeI am extre... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

@ Lee

I am extremely embarrassed by his remarks and his behavior afterwards

So, you still want to lose though, right?

Lee, what Sarge said. And ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Lee, what Sarge said. And I think you will have lots of help. I am expecting that Kerry's calendar is going to open up a little bit from here on until at least Nov. 8.

A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Br... (Below threshold)
yo:

A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared text had called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

Posted by: muirgeo at November 1, 2006 01:57 PM


When then, let us see a copy of the prepared text.


As for lies and mis-information, how can you POSSIBLY make that statement with catching a whiff of that hypocrisy stench?

Wasn't it Kerry who stated that US troops were raping and terrorizing Iraqis? Wasn't it Kerry who then couldn't produce proof of these atrocities?

Shucks .. if you want mis-information, go to the Huffington Post where they have yet to turn down a headline that they couldn't twist.

Puh-lease, dude.

"And Lee, you have nothing ... (Below threshold)
SShiell:

"And Lee, you have nothing to apologize for. Kerry is the one who made the comment and needs to apologize for it."

I agree. Lee, thank you for your sentiments regarding Kerry. You are one Democrat who recognizes the dishonor Kerry brings to your party. You guys deserve better than him.

As for Muirgeo - Go to Hell! Is that blah blah blah enough for you, you PIECE OF SHIT!

"And Lee, you have nothi... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"And Lee, you have nothing to apologize for. Kerry is the one who made the comment and needs to apologize for it."

I disagree. Democrat Kerry was representing me (in a sense) while he was speaking. He may still apologize, I hope he does, but meanwhile any Democrat who doesn't apologize in his behalf is letting the misunderstood remarks stand.

I think we all know Kerry didn't mean it the way it sounded, but since others were hurt and angered by his remarks, an apology is in order. That's just the touchy-feely Democrat in me talking, so take it for what it's worth.

LeeIs that you? I di... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Lee
Is that you? I didn't think you would ever say anything like that. I had to look up to see if the sky was falling. Good job though. Both sides should never just blindly follow their leaders no matter what.

>So now Mui... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

>

So now Muirgeo is telling us that Kerry doesn't know how to read!!!

You guys just keep on digging deeper in your lies....

Muirgeo: Talk about childi... (Below threshold)

Muirgeo: Talk about childishness ... your remarks about Lorie's post are, well, exactly that.

Lee, thanks for that.

To all of the apologists fo... (Below threshold)
milo:

To all of the apologists for Kerry, a sickening breed.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDhmZTBmN2U5MWY3NDg0NjBhMGVlODhiMjZmOTNjZmI=

Funny is only funny if it is funny.

Lee...I take back HALF the ... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Lee...I take back HALF the bad things I said about you!! :)

Semper Fi folks!!

Rudyard Kipling's "Tommy" ends with this refrain...

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

They get it. Thank God Karl... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

They get it. Thank God Karl Rove has Kerry on his payroll. I still think he's seriously underpaid though. ;p

Heh.Thanks, Lori. ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Heh.

Thanks, Lori. Got good chuckles out of the family down here in NC (where we are all poor, stoopid rednecks doing Bush's dirty work, no less).

They are stuck in Iraq ....... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

They are stuck in Iraq .........

1) we're staying the course remember.

2) we were there to uncover wmd's and none were found. Why are we still stuck there?

3) terrorists were found in London having planned the subway bombing....Why aren't we fighting in England? Aren't we supposed to be fighting the war on terror? They are in England.....why don't we invade England.

4) neo CONS who believe the lies this administration has put forth as reasons why we are "stuck in Iraq" such as wmd's, spreading democracy, fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here must find a way to absolve their guilt while kids get killed for their energy needs. WHy not start by doing some sacrificing yourself?

You really want to get serious about the war on terror? Start today by cutting back your consumption of energy in the form of electricity, gas, hot water, plastic bags, shampoo, fabric made from petrochemical products, just about anything you use. Stop being greedy and consumptive and start lobbying your congressman for an end to fossil fuel consumption as we have known it.

Otherwise you have nothing to say about why these kids are stuck in Iraq. It's time to recognize WHY they are stuck in Iraq, otherwise you are too stupid to understand the complexity of the problem that Kerry is in fact alluding to.

Of course, why would I expect a right wing religious supporter to give a hoot.


civil behavior obviously ha... (Below threshold)
yo:

civil behavior obviously hasn't read any of the documents, which received bi-partisan support, regarding why we're in Iraq. WMD's weren't the major issue, champ.

Beyond that, reducing energy consumption isn't the only thing we're battling, here.

Do something more than parrot the weak DNC talking points which have been destroyed time and again, wouldja'? That lame-ass shit gets boring.

muirgeo, Lorie was being fa... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

muirgeo, Lorie was being facetious (you should look that word up) and merely playing along with what your hero and god said....

Speaking of stuck, civil be... (Below threshold)
Jamie:

Speaking of stuck, civil behavior, you obviously have your head stuck up your ass. As yo said, you're incredibly ignorant about why we're in Iraq to begin with. But it appears you're incredibly ignorant all-around anyway, being blinded by your own light. Since I'm a "right wing religious supporter" you're going to discount any opinion I have anyway. That's very dangerous-- stereotyping and discounting a particular group. So much for liberal tolerance... you fool.

Saw this on WSJ website, re... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Saw this on WSJ website, re stupidity of John F'n Kerry:

"How many feet can John Kerry fit in that mouth of his? Here he is on "Imus in the Morning" today:

Kerry: These guys have failed America. The people who owe an apology are people like Donald Rumsfeld, who didn't send enough troops, who didn't listen to the generals, who has made every mistake in the book. . . .

Imus: . . . Senator John McCain, he seems to think--he seems to agree with the Bush administration about your comments. And you know him, obviously, better than I do, but I know him pretty well. And he probably knows what you meant, too.

Kerry: I'm sorry that John McCain has said what he said. John McCain's been a friend for a long time. But I have to tell you, I think John McCain is wrong about this.

John McCain has been a cheerleader for a policy that is incorrect. John McCain says we ought to send another 100,000 troops over there. First of all, we don't have another 100,000 troops. Secondly, if you send them over there, it's going to do exactly what's already happened, which is attract more terrorists and more jihadists. Our own generals are telling us that it's the numbers of troops that are the problem.

So the administration didn't send enough troops and it sent too many troops? If only we had such a decisive, principled leader as president!

anyone else ever read John ... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

anyone else ever read John Cole over at Balloon Juice? http://www.balloon-juice.com/ His views as a real Republican stand in contrast to those who believe Bush/Rush are the voice of the Republican Party...

Civil Behavoir-Tha... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

Civil Behavoir-

Thanks for sharing your assumptions. Just for you, I will take some unnecessary car trips today, with a couple of needless u-turns thrown in for good measure.

Also, I am going on record to proclaim that we are stuck in Minneapolis, Houston, Los Angeles, and many American cities where people are murdered every day. After all, by trying to stop the murders we are only creating more murderers. We should redeploy all of our big city police forces to the suburbs.

"You really want to get serious about the war on terror?"

The problem isn't dependence on oil, it's dependence on FOREIGN oil, especially in countries ruled by despots and religious zealots.

"Of course, why would I expect a right wing religious supporter to give a hoot?"

Exactly! Your mention of people not understanding the "complexity" of the ME situation like Kerry does is very rich. In your worldview, I imagine complexity means leaving evil people to do whatever they want until they get near your neighborhood, then squealing for help.

Why the hell should I belie... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

Why the hell should I believe from you, nogo postal, about what a "real Republican" is? Is that just someone who won't call you an idiot when you talk like one. I won't tell you ehat a "real Democrat" is. Moron.

civil behavior and muirgeo ... (Below threshold)
moseby:

civil behavior and muirgeo are the typical liberal sissy "let's keep feeding the aligator hoping it eats us last" dipshits. I hope they get sterilized by accident the next time they visit the dentist.

ya know Kerry screwed up hi... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

ya know Kerry screwed up his delivery...he is not the only one ya know
http://www.slate.com/id/76886/

civil behavior, how do you ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

civil behavior, how do you power your computer? cause if it is not wind or solar or hamster in a wheel power, I suggest you shut the fuck up until you start to practice what you preach. but then I guess that would go against all your liberal ideals, you know, do as I say, not as I do.

Funny there's no mock outra... (Below threshold)
kaz:

Funny there's no mock outrage in here about the fact that the Iraqi PM ordered our troops to take down the checkpoints that we setup to look for our MIA soldier in Baghdad. This proves that all of you 101st Fighting Keyboardists and chest-thumping "patriots" couldn't really give a d--- about events that actually do have an impact on the troops in Iraq.

Kerry's poorly delivered joke about Bush's stupidity pales in comparison to the damage the incompetent leadership of Bush and Rumsfeld have done to our military and our national security with this miserable unending debacle in Iraq. Maybe if Bush had spent a little more time studying in college than partying he would have come across a text on Middle East history and discovered what happens when Western powers try to occupy Arab countries and force their will on them.

But the last thing you Kerry-feeding-frenzy bloggers want to do is actually discuss what's happening on the ground in Iraq. Your concern is only to protect your precious Republican majorities in the House and Senate. And the only way you can do that is by diverting everyone's attention from the daily grind of mayhem and destruction that is dragging that country in the abyss with our troops caught in the crossfire.

Posted by: nogo postal at N... (Below threshold)
yo:

Posted by: nogo postal at November 1, 2006 03:35 PM

Where's the quote where Bush fumbles through a quote and insults the entire Armed Forces?

I must have missed that.

Again, I thought kerry was so damn intellectual that he didn't make flubs - or, did he make them in Cambodia before he didn't make them in Cambodia? I must not be smart enough to understand Sen. Kerry cuz all his shit seems senseless to me.

Moreso: Kerry says he flubbed the delivery, but I'm kinda' thinking he didn't.

kaz,what do you ca... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

kaz,

what do you care whether our troops are caught in the crossfire?

"But the last thing you Ker... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

"But the last thing you Kerry-feeding-frenzy bloggers want to do is actually discuss what's happening on the ground in Iraq."

We don't have the time with all the liberals running around loose shooting off their stupidity....

The "Red Bulls", 1/34 BCT M... (Below threshold)

The "Red Bulls", 1/34 BCT Minnesota National Guard, currently deployed in Iraq

US Iraqi security force goa... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

US Iraqi security force goal was 325,000. They reached that goal, but now Gen. Casey wants 100,000 more and Rummy will ask for an additional 1-Billion for training. Are you telling me that Iraq does not have one goddamn soldier that can stand up, so one of ours can stand down?

Meanwhile, over 14,000 small arms are missing, and the civil war keeps getting worst.

Sounds like "stuck" to me.

Barney, if you hate the US ... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

Barney, if you hate the US so much, just move to canada. they don't have an army to get "stuck".

Stuck in Iraq? Every soldi... (Below threshold)
Diane:

Stuck in Iraq? Every soldier there has signed up or resigned up since the Iraq war started, knowing very well deployment to Iraq was probably inevitable.

If you don't agree with or appreciate what these men and women do, leave them alone. There will be one day when you might need their sacrifice somewhere else, a place you approve--only YOUR yard, we know...but they will come, just because you are American. You don't have to be for the war, but stay out of the way of those that want to win.

steak111111 and Diane, you ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

steak111111 and Diane, you are correct. The our soldiers are not "stuck" in Iraqi. The Air Force just asked for an additional $50-billion in funding to cover the cost of sending their dead bodies back to the US.

They are just stuck in the ground.

Kerry has just apoligized s... (Below threshold)
kaz:

Kerry has just apoligized so thankfully we can now get back to debating the real issue here: the war in Iraq.

My question for all you veterans of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists is: Why does it make America safer to have our troops caught in the crossfire of a bloody civil war in Iraq between Sunnis and Shiites who have been at each other's throats for centuries?

How do we "win" the civil war in Iraq? Do we win if the Sunnis are victorious or is it the Shiites?

"..soldier there has signed... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"..soldier there has signed up or resigned.." Posted by: Diane

Def., resigned - showing utter resignation or hopelessness; "abject surrender"

Sounds like a Kerry joke.

We win by killing as many g... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

We win by killing as many goddamn terrorists as we can. And make sure their stinking asses don't come over here to kill you, and us.

I assume you weren't for the war, before you were against it? What about Afghanistan?

It's not a civil war. It's a hoodlum and terrorist war. And we need more troops to kill each and every one of them. Kill them before they hop on a plane with an exploding shoe, or a box cutter, or something else they'll event, and we won't be able to stop, when they get near us.

Kaz,Kerry did apol... (Below threshold)
yo:

Kaz,

Kerry did apologize, but it was still a snooty, feckless statement; but, why nitpick?

Anyway, you're question regarding Iraq is, like most seemingly inquisitive(rhetorical) questions offered by the Left, bullshit. You're mixing issues. And you're trying to get some yahoo to paint himself into the corner of a situation which can't be easily explained. Even if this particular yahoo is absolutely correct in his/her response, you'll still find some nit to pick then get indignant and declare a victory you haven't won by repeating DNC talking points.

I'd recommend reorganizing your question into something a bit more open for debate.

Not to mention that you're off topic, in this thread.

"Kerry has just apoligized"... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

"Kerry has just apoligized"

Just a few questions....

1) He apologized for his gaff - or to the troops?
2) He apologized before or after he didn't apologize?
3) He apologized because hiLIARy threatened to throw pots and pans at him?
4) Did Murtha get paid for his apology?

Just wondering....

He apologized Meatball. Now... (Below threshold)
Lee:

He apologized Meatball. Now you're looking like a fool for not letting it go.

Not to be outdone, Bush has... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Not to be outdone, Bush has decided to insult the troops as well.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061101/pl_nm/iraq_bush_dc_3

Blaming the troops? how abo... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Blaming the troops? how about this

GOP HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER JOHN BOEHNER: Let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld.

WOLF BLITZER: But he's in charge of the military.

BOEHNER: But the fact is, the generals on the ground are in charge, and he works closely with them and the president.

So..Boehner blames the troops..the uniform the never wore for what is going wrong...
seriously...does this even bother anyone...?
Yep blame it on those fighting and dying...
(Kerry's crap is nothing compared to this)

CHANNEL 5 is looking for mi... (Below threshold)
Tim Sherno:

CHANNEL 5 is looking for military families to comment on the photo taken of the 1/34th.

Please contact: Tim Sherno 651-642-4488.
(we will post a thank you once we've found someone to save you the trouble of calling if we have already found our interview. Thanks!)

Robert, you are dumber than... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

Robert, you are dumber than Lee.

Lee ranks right up near your #1 though.

Now, now .. Robert. If any... (Below threshold)
yo:

Now, now .. Robert. If anything, keeping Rumsfeld might be considered punishing the troops, not insulting them.

Someone needs the Dummy's Guide for Turning clever Phrases, or something.

Posted by: nogo postal at N... (Below threshold)
yo:

Posted by: nogo postal at November 1, 2006 05:36 PM

Context.

It's all about context and conveying the context within your point.

Typical lefist bullshit quote sniping.

When will you guys learn how to make a decent argument?

Now that we know how much c... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Now that we know how much conservatives value our men and women in the military it is time to step up to the plate and make the situation right in Iraq.

Rumsfeld has mis-managed this war from the get-go, but Bush is too politically-orientated to do the right thing and put an end to Rumsfeld's blunders.

Rumsfeld will resign by January 1. Your vote for House and Senate Democratic candidates on November 7 will help make that happen. Send a referendum to Washington that the BS in Iraq stops now. Vote Democratic.

Mitchell said:"We ... (Below threshold)
Kaz:

Mitchell said:

"We win by killing as many goddamn terrorists as we can. And make sure their stinking asses don't come over here to kill you, and you."

So you think these pissed off Baathists and Saddam loyalists are going to come over here? Why do you think that? Were there any Iraqis on board the planes on 9/11? Were there any Iraqis in the Al Qaeda leadership?

"I assume you weren't for the war, before you were against it? What about Afghanistan?"

Wrong genius. I supported both wars. I'm also a lifelong Republican but I voted Libertarian this year because Bush has screwed up these wars so badly.

"It's not a civil war."

Uhh....you know... there's just no response to that brilliant observation.

Kerry apologized to all the... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Kerry apologized to all the folks who might have been offended by his remarks.

Anyone who was offended by his remarks thought that he was referring to the military.

Kerry has said that anyone who though his remarks were directed at the military was crazy

Why would Kerry apologize to folks he said where crazy? If they were crazy their points wouldnt be valid and an apology wouldnt be nescessary.

Kerry owes us another apology for calling us crazy.

I'm still waiting for Diane... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I'm still waiting for Diane to apologize for writing that the troops resigned in Iraq.

How about it Diane? Were you for the troops before you were against them?

Posted by: Kaz at November ... (Below threshold)
yo:

Posted by: Kaz at November 1, 2006 05:57 PM


... like I said.

The Iraq/911 connection was never (and I mean EVER) mentioned as a reason to go to war. The talking points writers for the DNC don't want anyone to remember that.

THANKS!! WE GOT FLOODED ... (Below threshold)
Tim Sherno:

THANKS!! WE GOT FLOODED AND HAVE WHAT WE NEED.

'm still waiting for Dia... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

'm still waiting for Diane to apologize for writing that the troops resigned in Iraq.

She said "re-signed" as "re-signed up for duty" (granted, a hyphen would have helped), not resigned, as in they voluntarily left their posts, you ding dong.

Nehemiah said:"wha... (Below threshold)
Kaz:

Nehemiah said:

"what do you care whether our troops are caught in the crossfire?"

How to answer such a question? First of all, I'm a native of San Diego. This is a military town and we've lost a lot of men from Camp Pendleton over there. You see the veterans who have returned in wheelchairs missing arms and legs all the time. I have a buddy who shipped out for his third tour last year. I'll never forget the anguish and concern in his wife's face as he told me he was going over there again.

So the welfare of our troops isn't just some abstract question for me. I voted for Bush and the Republicans and supported the war initially so I feel responsible to ask the tough questions now.

And the tough question is: should any more of our Marines die to fight this civil war in Iraq?

But don't let me disturb this thread. I understand most of you would much rather debate the immensely more important issue of John Kerry's inability to read from a script.

The "flip flopper" has outd... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

The "flip flopper" has outdone himself.

"I'll never apologize for what I said". Six hours later he apologizes. This steaming pile of Michael Moore has no backbone at all.

Flipper is typical of the l... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

Flipper is typical of the liberals...

Do WHATEVER it takes to get a vote - buy it, steal it, lie, change a law, illegaly "create" voters... you name it, they do it.

Pathetic scum of the earth....

And the tough question i... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

And the tough question is: should any more of our Marines die to fight this civil war in Iraq?

That's not a tough question at all. Sectarian genocide is not an option, either.

(And I totally disagree that a tribal violence between Sunni and S'hia and S'hia on S'hia violence constitutes a civil war in Iraq. Did somebody forget about the Kurds in the north. Yup, they sure did. So how can it be a civil war without the Kurds. But I digress...)

Open question to all:
Now, simply as rhetorical argument, and for the sake of conversation, and granting that liberating Iraq was mistake, there is one way to right this wrong and get out of Iraq in 3 weeks, guaranteed: Put Saddam back in power.

Now even the most strident and vitroilc anti-Iraq war advocate is not for this idea. But why? Explain why it's such a bad idea.

oh, i forgot....ap... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

oh, i forgot....

apologize, let citizens of other countries vote....

Why does everyone continue ... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Why does everyone continue to accept that Kerry made a simple slip of the tounge, missread the script or left out a word? Kerry said what he ment, and ment what he said. He has had a disdain for the military and everyone in it since VietNam, and everything he has ever said verifies this. My guess is that his military records would give us some insight as to why. He and his wife believe that they are better than the "common folk". It runs a great deal deaper than just being extremely wealthy; it kinds of reminds me of "let them eat cake". Unfortunately, way too many Americans are impressed by these kinds of people, as they are with sports figures and entertainers. Trust me on this one folks, they have to wipe their bottom just like you do. (Maybe a little softer paper, but that's all.)

Nuts. And here I was going... (Below threshold)

Nuts. And here I was going to show that to everyone! Regardless... funny as hell :).

steak11111,Nice de... (Below threshold)
Robert:

steak11111,

Nice deconstruction of my arguement.

Are you one of those over-educated heartland elites I keep hearing about?

Keep up the good work (you might want to toss a "dummyhead" in there to show us how deep a thinker you are).

Does "muirgeo" really NOT k... (Below threshold)
Steve:

Does "muirgeo" really NOT know the difference between the words "their" and "there"????? And he/she/it calls our PRESIDENT stupid?????

So "civil behavior", how mu... (Below threshold)
Steve:

So "civil behavior", how much electricity does the computer you used to post your TREE-HUGGER remarks use???? Hmmm????

kaz, you were wrong in your... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

kaz, you were wrong in your post, just as you are wrong in thinking that hiding behind the "libertarian" label will get you off the hook.

First, a civil war is when two or more groups of citizens are in open warfare with each other. This is not the case in Iraq, hotshot. There is no declared war between Shia and Sunni, but a low grade insurgency seeks to stir up trouble between them. You are lacking in perspective, and an appreciation of what is actually occurring there now.

Worse, you completely have missed the obvious. There are legions of terrorists in Iraq, and there were before the war. Ever heard of "Al Quaeda in Iraq," Einstein?

Every heard of Al-Zarqawi? He died in the service of Al-Quaeda, at the hands of our brave servicemen.

You are a clueless schmuck. So, you should have registered Democrat instead.

"..representing my politica... (Below threshold)

"..representing my political party when he made those comments, as a Democrat I feel the need to apologize to our men and women in the armed services on behalf of Democrats everywhere."

No need to apologize Lee, and neither does Kerry! Because he said nothing wrong. What he said was meant for that idiot of a frat boy that's running our country, and not the troops. But the softies on the left have allowed the lunatic fringe and the inmates in this asylum called America to control the last two news cycles with this straw man.

Lee, you should know better-too much time over here on Wizbang I guess-These republicans-who in my estimation, are the closest we have to the anti christ here on earth- are so desperate, that they will do anything, and I mean anything to hold on to power: They will lie about and distort what someone said-even after proof to the contrary. Make fun of a double amputee with "cut and run" remarks, make statements like; my democratic opponent supports the terrorist-yeah slick Rick [belongs in a] Sanitarium said that-, and the insurgents are stepping up the attacks because they are hoping for a democratic victory. Like what could be better for their recruiting than the buffoon in power?

So Lee, snap out of it, in about a week or so, these inmates will have their Waterloo. And my only regret is that modern technology does not allow me to give them all my ass to kiss through the computer screen :)


"And the tough question is: should any more of our Marines die to fight this civil war in Iraq?"

Let me answer that for you Kaz: NO!!!!

Alright, FN, go hate somewh... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Alright, FN, go hate somewhere else. Nobody really reads your shit, and nobody cares. Your weak, lame-o, and totally lack a reasonable bone in your body.

Go stir up your racial schtick somewhere else.

Mitchell... what do you exp... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Mitchell... what do you expect? Theo chumed around with banana republic dictators as a child. He claims racism will never go away, as a way to excuse his own racist views.
Just can't deal with the fact that when he looks in the mirror, he sees a man that comes from a more privileged background than 90% of white America, let alone black America. So he trots out his Nat X persona; angrier and blacker than the most disenfranchised brother from west Philly or east Camden. But he's just as fake as Vanilla Ice.

Mitchell -Have you... (Below threshold)
kaz:

Mitchell -

Have you even seen our own military's estimate of Al Qaeda's numbers in Iraq? The estimate is around 1,500. That's it. That's the total number of Al Qaeda in Iraq. I ask you, how can 1,500 people be responsible for all the bloodshed we have seen in a country of 26 million people?

Do you understand the nature of the Sunni-Shiite schism, when it occurred, and how passionately each side believes the other are nothing more than infidels? If you did, you wouldn't be making unbelieveable statements like "there is no civil war in Iraq".

And, I am not a Libertarian, I am a registered Republican. I voted Libertarian for Congress, but I also voted for Schwarzenegger for Governor and the Republican candidate for Lt. Gov. here in CA. Unlike yourself, I no longer feel I can just go down the ballot and automatically check off all the names beside the (R). Thanks to Bush, I've discovered that's it actually important to apply some decision-making to my vote.

Peter F -

The reason there can be a civil war without the Kurds is that the Kurds aren't part of Iraq anymore. They are an unrecognized independent entity operating under their own rules. They fly the Kurdish flag, have an all-Kurdish military, and negotiate their own deals with foreign oil companies. I will say that the one good thing to come out of our intervention is the fact that the Kurds finally do have their own homeland. Of that accomplishment, we can all be proud. And as the rest of Iraq dissolves into chaos, we should maintain our presence in Kurdistan and support that new government. We owe it to the Kurds who are truly our friends (unlike the bastard Sunni and Shia).

To answer your second question, No, I don't support restoring Saddam and getting out in 3 weeks. It's going to be a lot tougher than that. But I do believe we have to muster the courage to define our end-game here. We CANNOT afford a 51st state in the heart of the friggin' Middle East. Our forces are an antibody in the heart of the insane Arab world. This ain't no Japan or Germany. And we shouldn't let Bush kick the can down the road to the next poor SOB who becomes President in 2008. We need to hold our leadership accountable to fix the mess they got us into.

Hi Miss-chell the Internet ... (Below threshold)

Hi Miss-chell the Internet stalker; for someone who doesn't read my "shit" or doesn't care, you sure follow my every post like toilet paper after I shit.

Oh, and I am sorry, where was race mentioned in the above post again? I told you before, you have some race issues you might want to work on ;)

Sorry bro, I can't help you. Are you sure you are not a brother doing the whole passe blanc thing?

SCSI: perfectly said. I w... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

SCSI: perfectly said. I wish I were as articulate.

Kaz, are you calling it "Al Quaeda in Iraq that has nothing to do with Iraq," or some such? I don't know, how many car bombs can you set off with 1,500 terrorists? Quite a few, I suspect. It only took one in Samarra to start all this sectarian violence.

U R Clueless.

SCSI, How long did it take ... (Below threshold)

SCSI, How long did it take you to think that up? Sounds like you are from around these parts:
Would you like to take a walk with me through Southwest, or North Philly, to see if I have street cred or not?,,,, is that crickets I hear?

Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting on your answer.

Here is the deal SCSI; regardless of my background-which by the way is none of your f*&%*&g business- I actually care about people, and I have actually put in the time and money to help people who are less fortunate than I am. So regardless of what I see when I look in the mirror, I still see a better man than you.

FN, you better start helpin... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

FN, you better start helping yourself. I would suggest psychiatric counseling to disabuse yourself of your meglomaniacal tendencies.

It's all about you, isn't it? Your anger, your blackness, your obsession with race and class, your obsession with this blog.

It's time for you to just shut up. Just stop.

It's pathetic, really.

"Kerry has just apoligized"... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

"Kerry has just apoligized"

Just WHAT are you smoking kaz????

IF Kerry apologized, then I wrote the Declaration of Independence!

You liberals MUST go back a... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

You liberals MUST go back and draft some more convincing talking points.... These last few have been hilarious!!

Field Negro wrote: "No n... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Field Negro wrote: "No need to apologize Lee, and neither does Kerry! Because he said nothing wrong.
[snip]
"Lee, you should know better-too much time over here on Wizbang I guess-These republicans-who in my estimation, are the closest we have to the anti christ here on earth- are so desperate, that they will do anything, and I mean anything to hold on to power"

No argument.

"They will lie about and distort what someone said-even after proof to the contrary. Make fun of a double amputee with "cut and run" remarks, make statements like; my democratic opponent supports the terrorist-yeah slick Rick [belongs in a] Sanitarium said that-, and the insurgents are stepping up the attacks because they are hoping for a democratic victory. Like what could be better for their recruiting than the buffoon in power?"

Yes, many hard-core Republicans , like the loud mouths around here, act like genuine assholes, I agree.

"So Lee, snap out of it, in about a week or so, these inmates will have their Waterloo."

God willing.

I agree with everything you say F-N, except for the need to apologize. Kerry acted like a pompous ass, and after his performance here on this issue he needs to be put out to pasture.

Yes, the wingnut echo chamber blew this all out of proportion, but the remark was indeed insulting once Kerry said that he didn't need to apologize. That put a face on the issue, and it was an ugly face. It was a "I don't care if you were insulted or not - the mere fact that I didn't intend to insult you means I don't have to apologize" face that is a huge insult to our soldiers. It said that he didn't care if they were offended.

That "face" became the insult.

So some Republican asshats are insulted, or played it to their political advantage and pretended to be insulted - who gives a flying fart... but the americans who are out there risking their lives for our flag (whether the war is justified or not), deserve better.

I'm as Democrat as they come, FN, and my representatives do not insult our service personnel without an apology -- even when the insult was accidental. For me, it's just that simple.

Great sign, great picture, ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Great sign, great picture, unfortunately grating drivel follows in most of this thread, most of which can be summed up as saying:

Nanny-nanny Noo Noo, PTHHHHHHHT |-p

"I'm as Democrat as they co... (Below threshold)

"I'm as Democrat as they come, FN, and my representatives do not insult our service personnel without an apology -- even when the insult was accidental. For me, it's just that simple."

OK Lee, you convinecd me with that line: "even when the insult was accidental" See how easy that was? How come I can't see logic in the wingnuts arguments like I do yours?

Yeah, maybe JFK should just go out to the pasture now.

Field-Negro:<blockqu... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Field-Negro:


OK Lee, you convinecd me with that line: "even when the insult was accidental" See how easy that was? How come I can't see logic in the wingnuts arguments like I do yours?

Blinders ?
http://wizbangblog.com/2006/11/01/defending-john-kerry.php#385140

Hi, I'm currently in Iraq w... (Below threshold)
Aadne Stokka:

Hi, I'm currently in Iraq with the 1/34 BDE. I just wanted to add that the 1/34th BDE is not only from Minnesota. It is headquartered there, but it has a battalion from Iowa and troops from all over the U.S. Our unit alone has soldiers from some 20+ cities in Iowa.




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