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The Outcome is In Your Hands

The only polls that matter are the ones on Election Day and those have not been taken yet. Scott Elliott at Election Projection says the margins in many, many races are razor thin and could go either way so the outcome really is in our hands. In addition to voting, volunteer to Get Out The Vote for your favorite candidates. The RNC has a great online tool that allows people to do GOTV calls from home. Be sure to check it out and do as much as your schedule will allow. What you do could make the difference.

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Update: I got a special link for Wizbang readers to use to link to the RNC GOTV call from home program. Click here to show the blogosphere what Wizbang readers can do! Don't let those other blogs show us up, and at the same time do your part to help hold the House and Senate.

(I replaced the earlier GOTV link so that now both links above will direct readers on behalf of Wizbang.)


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...out of yours and into ou... (Below threshold)
Todd:

...out of yours and into ours.

I thought Lorie and the oth... (Below threshold)
Semanticleo:

I thought Lorie and the other Old Maid might benefit from the words of this song......

Desperado

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses
You've been out ridin' fences,
for so long - now.
Ohh you're a hard one.
I know that you've got your reasons.
These things that are pleasin'you
Can hurt you somehow.

Don't you draw the queen of diamonds boy
She'll beat you if she's able.
You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet.
Now it seems to me, some fine things
Have been laid upon your table.
But you only want the ones
That you can't get.

Desperado,
Ohhhh you aint getting no younger.
Your pain and your hunger,
They're driving you home.
And freedom, ohh freedom.
Well that's just some people talking.
Your prison is walking through this world all alone.

Don't your feet get cold in the winter time?
The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine.
It's hard to tell the night time from the day.
And your loosing all your highs and lows
aint it funny how the feeling goes
away...

Desperado,
Why don't you come to your senses?
Climb down from your fences, open the gate.
It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you.
You better let somebody love you.
(let sombody love you)
You better let somebody love you...ohhh..hooo
before it's too..oooo.. late.

John Kerry's *** monumental... (Below threshold)
archtop:

John Kerry's *** monumental *** political blunder has, without question, tipped the balance of this election in the Republican's favor. So when the Dems wake up diappointed on Wednesday, they will know who to blame...

Desperado Kerry indeed...

archtop - It is time to buy... (Below threshold)
Lee:

archtop - It is time to buy a vowel, you need a clue. Were talking about the Republican't Party here, right? - they can't get anything right these days. The Kerry issue was bungled badly by the Republicans, and blown way out of proportion.

You guys came off like desperate losers - no one wants to join a losing team. You've lost lot more votes, and gained none.

Sorry Lee - you guys wouldn... (Below threshold)
archtop:

Sorry Lee - you guys wouldn't be here trying to trash Lorie's post if you weren't deeply concerned about Kerry's bungled "joke" and the state of the election in general. I stand by my prediction. Kerry loses it for the Democrats...

As proven in threads throug... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

As proven in threads throughout the week - including many today, the liberals (Lee, Muiguea, et.al.) have once again been proved liars, deceivers and total nitwits (sorry the word isn't strong enough).

KKKerry is simply the mouthpiece for them all - Haters of America, the military, the troops....

Sad. Very sad....

For everyone to note here:<... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

For everyone to note here:

Lee thinks that 30 seats will change in the house. After everyone sees what the true count is on Tuesday, you will have an actual number to now know what his opinions are worth. Remember, 30 is his number.

I say we lose 9 seats (net) in the House.
In the Senate, I say we lose a net one.

Please remember these numbers and compare them to the actual number on Wed., Nov. 8th.


I have proposed to Lee a non-monetary wager multiple times, but he has never addressed it or seems to disappear from the thread (apparently to go to Sunday school, as he often does post on Sundays).

@ SemanticleoYou g... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

@ Semanticleo

You gonna let somebody love you? Is it too late? Yup. That's what I thought. Bye bye.

"Please remember these numb... (Below threshold)
semanticleo:

"Please remember these numbers and compare them to the actual number on Wed., Nov. 8th."

Please give Lori a pep talk. She apparently sees it differently.

Democrats will take the hou... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Democrats will take the house with ease. I don't recall predicting a 30 set exchange nehemiah, but I'll take your word for it.

Wait a minute, you're a Republican right? I won't take your word for it - show me where I said that. A link, a date, which post it was under - anything.

Prove you're not just a Republican liar, and are really just a noisy troll. Post your proof on this thread please, we're waiting....

Wow...lots of nervous Democ... (Below threshold)
archtop:

Wow...lots of nervous Democrats here! I mean if it's over, then please go home and revel in your victory. I mean it's in the bag, right? Just like 2004? Like 2002?

This will not help<a... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:
Remember...no atta... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

Remember...

no attacks on US soil since 9/11. Great economy, unemployment is almost nil, interest rates down and steady, gas prices down, DOW thru the roof.

Why change that? Vote early and often.

You would think the libs wo... (Below threshold)

You would think the libs would have learned after suffering grievous defeats in 2000, 2002, and 2004. But then if they could learn, they wouldn't be liberals. Ah well, enjoy waking up to PRESIDENT BUSH on November 8th. And then 8 years of President McCain. Have fun at your Kossack parties- because you won't be controlling this country for a long time to come.

"...and are really just ... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

"...and are really just a noisy troll.""

Gee Lee...talk about the pot calling the kettle...

"This will not help."</i... (Below threshold)
cmd:

"This will not help."

Yeah, nogo, because what one pervert pastor does will affect every race in the country. Yep, all us here sister-screwin' knuckle-draggin' Jeebus freak homophobes are gonna desert the GOP for the party of treason, murder and perversion.

Christ on a crutch, you lefties are asshats.

You know what? I wasn't planning to man the GOTV phones, since I'm stuck in the liberal hellhole that is Massachusetts, but after listening to Lee and nogo whistle past the graveyard, I'm signing up. If we lose - well, I did my best. If we win - in your face, hippies!!

That is the LAST nogo link ... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

That is the LAST nogo link i go to.

OLD news and NO news.

Get a life nogo.

If the liberals win, you won't have one.

Up until 2000, I considered... (Below threshold)

Up until 2000, I considered myself a Democrat. I found no interest in things political. It wasn't until then that I really began to compare what I believed to what the Democratic party was supporting that I reconsidered my party affiliation. I now consider myself an independent with strong libertarian leanings. I want less government influence over the lives of individuals... a society free from the shackles of government.

I've been disgusted with the tone that the Democrats have taken over the past few years. We can disagree and have a reasoned discourse without the sophmoric name calling. Although I am displeased with the Republicans, an election is not a referrendum... it's an either-or choice. For the first time in my life, I'm contemplating voting a straight ticket simply out of disgust. Now feel free to continue with the name calling and character attacks, Lee et al.

Lee,I'm happy to s... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Lee,

I'm happy to see you actually addressed this topic (outcome of House races). You I'm sure will remember in these last two weeks cutting and pasting part of an article from Charlie Cook where he projected that the number of seats which will change hands is much more likely closer to 30 than the needed 15.

Are you now saying that you don't agree with what you posted as evidence? That's fine, since you never officially took up the wager. I would propose it again, but I don't think it would be very enjoyable (in earnest) to see you not posting at Wizbang for a whole year. And seeing how active you are as a commenter, I would not like to see such an outcome (both for the community and for you). So for me it will just be a curiosity to see who is right or closer to being right. In addition to the numbers up there, I also make the following predictions.

Tennessee, Virginia, Missouri: Not in play.

NJ: Will stay Dem.
MD: Will probably stay Dem.
Montana: Will stay Republican
Ohio: Will probably stay Republican
Pennsylvania: Will stay Republican

Questions?

By the way, "not in play" d... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

By the way, "not in play" does not necessarily mean that the margins will be big. I think it will be close (as it always seems to be recently) in Missouri. But close doesn't necessarily mean competitive.

Sham was close to Secretariat in 1973 (at least in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, definitely not in the Belmont), but Sham was never competitive against him.

Don't use electoral-vote.co... (Below threshold)
engineer:

Don't use electoral-vote.com for judging the races either. They have the Dem's picking up 38 seats in the House. Of course, if you look at the individual races things look different. Every race that they have listed lean Dem, Tossup and lean Rep is included in this pickup.

Actually nehemiah, I'd make... (Below threshold)
fatman:

Actually nehemiah, I'd make the comparison to the 1978 Triple Crown duel between Affirmed and Alydar, with one big difference.

Even in losing there was still a nobility to Alydar. There's almost nothing noble about the democrat party these days.

Another difference was that... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Another difference was that Alydar was a stud, in every sense (remember Alysheba -- winner of the 1987 Derby) -- the Dems, instead of on the giving end (stud), are better characterized as being those that easily receive (sometimes known as whores).

Fatman, I've thought about that famous duo of Affirmed/Alydar (I like Alydar of the two). I don't agree that they make a good illustration for my case exactly because Alydar was more than competitive against Affirmed. In the case of McCaskill in Missouri, she'll get close but there's no scenario in which I see her as the victor. Unless they pull something like when the person running for the office died and they got the sympathy vote. In which case I wonder what Mr. McCaskill's politics are like (I assume she has a husband, unless she is a lesbian who wed in NJ).

LIBERALS, YOU'RE ON NOTICE!... (Below threshold)
A. Null:

LIBERALS, YOU'RE ON NOTICE!

I'm working the polls in my district on Nov. 7. There will be no nonsense! In the last two elections in my district since I moved here, the Lefty Loons came out in force like zombies trying to break down the mall doors for the holy flesh of the living.

Not this year: all voters shall be able to park, walk and enter the church and casts their votes. Proper documentation and adult behavior allow you to exercise your right to vote.

The Indecisive Lefties and so-called "indies" won't come out to vote the Dems into a majority! Why can't the mentally ill steakheads see that?!

Another way to say it would... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Another way to say it would be:

If Alydar raced Affirmed again, I would not be certain who would win.

If Secretariat raced Sham, the outcome would be certain. Sham may be able to stay only a couple lengths behind, but it would not be a race where you really didn't know who would win.

And McCaskill's a horse's ass.

The Indecisive Lefties and ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

The Indecisive Lefties and so-called "indies" won't come out to vote the Dems into a majority! Why can't the mentally ill steakheads see that?!

steak111111, I think you have just been insulted.

barneyG2000:Answer... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

barneyG2000:

Answering your question from "Regan" thread:

"How about this, if Reagan wouldn't allow Cuba to build an airport in Grenada, would he allow:
-N. Korea to test long range missiles and nukes
-Iran to build nukes
-Syria and Iran to plot the overthrow of Lebanon
-Hugo Chavez to bitch slap you at the UN
-The prime minister of Iraq to order US troops off their post, and abandon one of our own to the militia"

-N.Korea's tests have been an ultra failure, and we have probably learned more from them than they have.
-Everytime the administration does something unilateraly you scream for the UN, and everytime they try to work through the UN you scream "why aren't you doing something". I wish you would make up your minds.
- I believe that Lebanon falls in the same category, but there is also an ally (Israel) who seems to be handling that one for us. (Not that it's any of our business to start with.)
- I suppose that Bush could have the Secret Service whack Chavez, but that might draw some criticism from, let's see - Everybody.
- As to the recent event in Iraq, I don't know the facts yet, so will hold my comments, as you should before you get egg on your face yet again.
- Once again you spout a bunch of talking points without voicing any opinion as to sollutions, other than "we hate Bush".
- Liberals are like stelth bombers - it's hard to tell where they are, until John Kerry opens his mouth.

In the "you can fool some o... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

In the "you can fool some of the people some of the time" department, Americans are finally getting wise to Fox News. MSNBC's Count Down Rates are up 67% over last year while Fox News is down 25%.

Sounds like the rightwing network has lost it's grip to influencing this election.

That's good news. I've alw... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

That's good news. I've always thought that Fox News has tried to be too balanced. I would prefer for example a "Hannity and Coulter" vs. a "Hannity and Colmes".

Maybe if FNC tanks (too bad it's not likely, as they are still overwhelmingly #1 and something like ten times the ratings of MSNBC), we'll get a REAL conservative news channel -- something as much right as CNN is left.

VagaBond asked why people w... (Below threshold)
John:

VagaBond asked why people would consider voting for anyone other than Republican candidates when everything is going so well.

He gives a few reasons.

Here's a few of mine *

We've been lead into a mismanaged war and our soldiers are dying and getting maimed for a lie.

The government keeps itself in power with fear mongering, smear campaigns, illegal fake news feeds and fake reporters. Remember Jeff Gannon?

The chickenhawks and corporatists are making huge war profits (did you know KBR, a Halliburton subsidiary, charges the US government $45.00 for a case of CocaCola?). That's what you get when you hand out no-bid contracts to your buddies.

This president finds it more politicaly usefull to let Osama run around loose, so he can use him to install fear. Bush no longer thinks about OBL. The most powerfull military in the world, and Osama has been running around loose for 5 years, and not one person has been repremanded or demoted.

This president makes jokes about finding WMD while soldiers are blown to bits.

This administration has created or supported record debt, lobbyist running amuck, and record corruption.

This administration has presided over a weakening dollar and huge trade imbalances. Your personal share of this for the last 5 years is $9,000.00, not including the costs for the Iraq war. That's true for every man, woman and child in America. If you are married and have two kids, this admistration and their economic policies has saddled you with $36,000.00 of interest bearing debt, in only 5 years, not including the costs of Iraq.

This administration has divided America and damaged it's international reputation by it's war crimes, illegal wiretaps, loss of liberties, torture, violations of the Geneva conventions, and it's suspension of Habeus Corpus.

This administration has increased wealth concentration, watched while poverty rose, wages stagnated, left 60 million people uninsured and caused medical costs to soar, while drug companies made record profits.

This administration has neglected the environment, denied global warming, and backed away from our international treaties designed to protect the planet.

This administration supports shipping jobs overseas and union busting. It won't protect worker safety. If you show a nipple on TV, you can now be fined $500,000.00. If you endanger the life of a coal miner, you can now be fined $60.00. These priorities are wrong.

Anyway, that's a few reasons why people may not decide to vote for continued Republican control over the congress.

Hopefully, we can get the privatized voting machines to work...

John

* (MuirGeo provided much of the material for this post, which I've reformatted a bit. I'd like to thank him for putting together a pretty decent list, and I hope I've not offended him by misusing his content.)

And McCaskill's a horse'... (Below threshold)
fatman:

And McCaskill's a horse's ass.

Posted by: nehemiah at November 2, 2006 03:00 PM

Truer words were never spoken.

And A. Null? You can report "Mission Accomplished" to Markos or DU or wherever you're trolling for. Though I suspect they won't have the deck of an aircraft carrier ready for your speech about bravely attacking the "wingnuts" in their lair.

Well the Dems have finaly r... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Well the Dems have finaly released there top (6) items for their first 100 days in power. Two of them being, raise the minimum wage and more money for higher education. Why don't they just stand at the polling places and offer a cigar to everyone who votes for them?

All that screaming about Iraq, and they don't even think it is important enough to put in their top (6) items. Probably because they haven't the foggiest idea what they would do. Hell, they are still arguing over the drapes in Pelosi's office.

USMC Pilot, is that the bes... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

USMC Pilot, is that the best you got? Reagan single handily defeats the evil empire with one hand tied behind his back (by the Libs) and Bush can't even overthrow a third world prick like Chavez?

A Lib (JFK) at least attempted to assassinate Castro.

Bush really is a shrub!

USMC:Though I disa... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

USMC:

Though I disagree with 99% of your point of view, I have pretty much respected your comments. But I have to say I smell desperation even from you. What a silly comment about "the drape in Pelosi's office."

Try some original thought, not the regurgitation of Limbaugh, Melhman, Hannity and Bush's silly shit one liners.

Do you folks really really believe the Nancy Pelosi bogeyman talking point is going to bring over the voters you really need - the independents?

Oh, by the way. Based on y... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Oh, by the way. Based on your pussiefied (sic?)response to real treats, when tough action is called for, what were you shopping for pilot, panties?

USMC Pilot,I belie... (Below threshold)
John:

USMC Pilot,

I believe the list you qoute is for the first 100 HOURS, not 100 days.

The Iraq issue took years to get to it's current state, and it's going to take a bit longer than 100 hours to unravel.

John

Hugh,At least in m... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Hugh,

At least in my case, and I've been an independent thinker most of my life never deciding ahead of time who to vote for (at least not in a party line kind of way), the thought of Nancy Pelosi really does affect how I will vote. In fact, if I were a Democrat, I would try to vote in several congressional districts next Tuesday to try to ensure that she does not get more power.

barneyG2000:"A Lib... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

barneyG2000:

"A Lib (JFK) at least attempted to assassinate Castro."

Spoken like a true liberal. As long as you try it's OK. Let's give gold medals to everyone who runs in the race, so that they will have a good self image.

President Bush got rid of Sadam Hussien(sp), who I believe has probably killed a few more people than Chavez. The best way to handle someone like Chavez is to ignore them, unless they present some threat to our security.

Pilot,I would advo... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Pilot,

I would advocate the same in our treatment of Cesar Chavez as well. HMMM these California grapes are good.

Maybe you'll be kind enough to let Barney try on those panties, so that Alydar can have at him.

Hugh:I find it int... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Hugh:

I find it interesting that you comment about my statement on "drapes" rather than addressing the main topic of the Dems first 100 hours (apologies for getting that wrong).

BarneyG2000:

I have not insulted you personaly, so if you choose to start doing so to me the conversation is over. That having been said, you miss my point. There is little anyone can do when someone starts bloviating at the UN. You can make a fool out of yourself by demanding apologies, but an intelligent person just ignores what is being said. I have long ago determined that actions do speak louder than words.

To both of you:

What will the Dems do in Iraq, if they gain control of congress?

Hugh:As to indepen... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Hugh:

As to independents, I don't realy believe that such an animal exists. People like to call themselves "independents" to appear enlightened, but most have already made up their minds long ago. My experience is that people vote their pocket book first, and then line up the rest of the items in some wierd fashion. There are 40% on the left and 40% on the right with everyone else trapped in the middle. This race will be decided like most of them, and that is by who gets out and votes. Our problem is that many party faithfuls are dissatisfied with the Republicans not acting like conservatives, and your problem is that most of the 20% in the middle don't want to be associated with nutcases like Sheehan, Kerry and Dean. Quite frankly there are times that I want to throw up my hands and give up, but then I think about my pocket book and go to the polls and vote for the "asshole" republican.

What will the Dems do in Ir... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

What will the Dems do in Iraq, if they gain control of congress?

I'm sure they will stay the course. Maybe they will take the lead from Boehner, blame the march to choas on the Generals in the field and endorse Rummy for the medal of freedom. Next, they would turn over operational control of the army to Al Sadr, so the Shiite death squads can move about more efficiently.

Maybe loose 14,000 automatic rifles just to be safe. Yea, that sounds like a plan I can get behind and vote for.

PS, Come on, don't get your panties in a bind over over a little joke.

BarneyG2000:Obviou... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

BarneyG2000:

Obviously you don't have an answer. Perhaps Hugh does.

Barney,You and tha... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Barney,

You and that guy Kerry and your little jokes! Bill Murray and John Belushi have nothing on you.

As to independents. I'm as independent as the next guy, but lately I must say that I lean a little right. To Ann that is. When they call her a nutjob, I take offense, as I consider her just as acceptably right wingish.

PS, Come on, don't get your... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

PS, Come on, don't get your panties in a bind over over a little joke.
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BArney, parody is reality when it comes to the Dems. Given their "cut-and-run" policy, this parody may be a reality when they comes to power. SOrry, I may be wrong: the dems would welcome Saddam back or at least advocate his methods of meat grinder, chopping hand, real torture chambers, rape room as better methods to pacify Iraq since many of them are saying that iraq was better under Saddam.

John...you so funny.<... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

John...you so funny.

Most (if not all) of your reasons are opinions. The endorsement of muriegohome does not help your credibility.

The difference is I gave facts, not opinions. I think people respond more to facts.

USMC:First of all ... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

USMC:

First of all it is not Congress that will determine foreign policy or strategic war poiicy. As you well know that is one of the powers of the executive branch.

That's certainly a legitimate question for the dems 2008 presidential nominee. That being said, what I would hope a democratic congress would mean is that it would force Mr. Bush to look at bipartisan solutions. Hopefully the Baker non-partisan study group will come up with the solution.

I disagree with you on the independents issue. I think they may well play the key part in this race. I do agree we are about 40-40 in the split. I don't think the economy is going to be the issue. I think it is very clearly Iraq and general disgust with a do-nothing congress . I'm not tooting the congressional dems horn here (l have my own issues with them)) but I think the dissatisfaction is like it was in '94 and it will be taken out on the party in power.

Finally, I addressed your comment about drapes for the reason I stated. You're the one who brought it up. You know as well as I that it is a stupid talking point - and I really believe not the kind of think the majority of voters care a whit to hear about.

Wow, those methods would se... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Wow, those methods would seem pretty effective at changing thought and behavior. I wonder if we could utilize some version here.

Hugh may be right that the ... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Hugh may be right that the talking point and the attempt to provoke fear of a Pelosi speakership is probably not effective.

What is effective is better demonstrated by the Left. For me, the threat of losing Alec Baldwin to another country made me think fairly hard about pulling the lever for Bush. So maybe Patricia Heaton threatening to leave the country maybe a good Republican tactic that effectively emulates the Dems.

general disgust with a do-n... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

general disgust with a do-nothing congress
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This is clearly wrong on facts. There is a long list of accomplishment for this congress

* tax cuts
* border fence
* liability reform
* judges/justices
...
just on the top of my head. Someone had a nice long list on another thread.

OK, Hugh, at least we can agree that the Dems don't deserve to win given their shameful record. We should hope and work to make sure that the Dems don't have power.

Pilot, my solution was to p... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Pilot, my solution was to pull out once we turned over control to provisional Iraqi government, and before you jump up my ass, that was the Bush plan as well, but they forgot to secure the peace first!

Now we are stuck.

As far as what to do now, unlike you, my vote is driven by the competence of the persons running and not greed. If they prove they can be trusted, than I trust they will come-up with a solution.

The Republicans have had over four years to prove their competency (Tora Bora to chaos) and they have failed.

Other than stay the course, what is YOUR solution?

Hugh:Technically y... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Hugh:

Technically you are correct that the president has the power over foriegn affairs, however congress has the purse strings. Unfortunately, your idea of "bipartisan solutions" is not practical, since everyone has his own little black book of "how to win a war", and most peoples idea of "bipartisan solutions" is "do it my way". My real point is that the reason the Dems are not putting forth a plan for Iraq, other than "trust us, we can do it better" is that there is no other plan, except pulling out, and they know that is unexceptable to the majority of Americans. "Stay the Course" is a bitch, but other than surrendering, it is the only option. As I have posted many times before, I would never have invaded Iraq, but we did and I am behind Bush 100%, since he was elected president, not me.

Nothing turns my stomach more than reading posts that say " he's not my president". It seems that some people only believe in Democracy when their side wins. You follow a leader, not because they are always correct, but because they were elected, and the option is cayous(sp).

The Left actually does have... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

The Left actually does have a plan in Iraq, though they have not put it on paper. Once the Dems are firmly entrenched in power, the following is hoped by the Dems.

They would like to deploy all available U.S. forces and spread them everywhere to do more humanitarian type missions. Then, they want to us to subject us to an international progressive tax where the U.S. is taxed at 99%, while France is at 9%. They will rule that there actually is no such thing as "separation" of church and state, and make secular humanism the official philosophy of the U.S. Then while singing Streisand tunes and sacrificing to Molech, we will all just go f**k ourselves.

Barney, NOTHING you say mea... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

Barney, NOTHING you say means anything so i am not insulted.

USMC - keep up the good work. Right On.

VagaBond,I liked M... (Below threshold)
John:

VagaBond,

I liked Muirgeo's consolated list because it saved quite a bit of typing, but I'm familiar with each of these issues, and I can back them up as facts, or give you sources.

If you want to select a few, I'd be happy to provide specifics. I'd rather discuss physics with my cat, really. It's not that the cat can't understand it. It's that she won't take the time and make the effort. Probably about the same deal here, but if you want to pick a few, go ahead.

No, people DO NOT respond more to facts. Pick up the phone and call a marketing company in your area, and ask them. They will tell you people respond more to emotional arguments, particulary their needs like belonging, and they play to those needs, as in "An Ipod will make you cool, and thus people will like you".

No, people do not respond to facts.

That's not the way people are wired.

John

BarneyG2000:Your p... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

BarneyG2000:

Your post reminds me of the young kid in "Quigley Down Under", who says "give me a gun like that an I could shoot that good to". There is absolutely no evidence that having the Democratic leadership of the House and Senate would have produced any different results in Iraq, other than perhaps we would hav already tucked our tail and run. As to John Kerry, I think he would have pissed his pants three minutes after 9/11.

nehemiah, with all your ref... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

nehemiah, with all your references to annal intercourse, I recommend you confess your sins. I suggest you talk with pastor Ted Haggard in CO (if you know what I mean?).

USMC:I respect you... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

USMC:

I respect your view about following a leader though I disagree with it. I would imagine that it is greatly influenced by your military service. Don't take this in the wrong way please but when a leader is leading me over a cliff I think it's my duty as well as my right to challenge that.

I also agree we are stuck. I don't pretend to know the answer as I am not qualified to know it. What I believe is that the current conduct is a disaster. What I hope for (probably whistling the wind about it) is that Baker et al will find the solution. I do believe that there can be a bipartisan solution. Color me silly but that's my view.

USMC Pilot,Thank y... (Below threshold)
John:

USMC Pilot,

Thank you for your service to our country, and the risk you take and effort you put in.

I appologize, but he's not my president eiether. I don't like him, I don't trust him, I didn't vote for him. I am however stuck with him.

And I can deal with it...

So, anyway... In this country, we don't have LEADERS.

In this country we have political SERVENTS.

As the head of his party, and our nation, he is the greatest of the political servents, and is responsible to each and every one of us.

Not the other way around.

We are not a nation of kings and princes. We are free men, and we are not followers, which is why we don't need leaders.

John

"There is absolutely no evi... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"There is absolutely no evidence that having the Democratic leadership of the House and Senate would have produced any different results in Iraq"

Except for the fact that Clinton was the President for the 8-years prior to Bush, and he was never so stupid to get "Stuck".

Except Bill got "stuck" in ... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Except Bill got "stuck" in Monica's orifice.

"Except for the fact that C... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

"Except for the fact that Clinton was the President for the 8-years prior to Bush, and he was never so stupid to get "Stuck".

Posted by: BarneyG2000"

When my son was about six or seven he came to me and said that a big kid down the block was always picking on him (pushing him down and hiting him). I told him that the next time he was picked on to hit the big kid in the nose as hard as he could. He said "he'll beat me up", and I responded that yes he probably would, but he will never pick on you again.

Bill Clinton was picked on for eight years, and now President Bush is fighting back!

Except Bill got "stuck" in ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Except Bill got "stuck" in Monica's orifice.
Posted by: nehemiah

I'll take BJs from a 21-year old any day rather than signing condolence letters to another mother whom lost her son due my incompetency.

ALLENTOWN, Pa. - A Republic... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

ALLENTOWN, Pa. - A Republican congressman accused of abusing his ex-mistress agreed to pay her about $500,000 in a settlement last year that contained a powerful incentive for her to keep quiet until after Election Day, a person familiar with the terms of the deal told The Associated Press.

Score another seat for the Dems!!!

yeah barney,That's... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

yeah barney,

That's Foley's official position. You might volunteer for his next campaign.

Make that two:Two ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Make that two:

Two senior aides to National Republican Campaign Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds participated in "damage control" conference calls concerning correspondence between Congressman Mark Foley and a former congressional page -- two days before the scandal became public, and earlier than previously reported.

I'll stop now.

I'll take BJs from a 21-yea... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I'll take BJs from a 21-year old any day rather than signing condolence letters to another mother whom lost her son due my incompetency.
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Thanks for another reminder of how Clinton has botched the fight against the terrorists during the 1990s that caused the loss of many servicemen in the Cole attack. We can thank Bush that we don't have another 9/11 attack in AMerica and our military for a magnificient in Iraq while we have to fight the terrorist-aiding propaganda of the liberal left and their allies in the MSM.

The incompetency of the Dems and liberal left is clear for all to see: Cambodian genocide, Bosnian and Kosovo debacle, 9/11 and their continuing cut-and-run policy. North Korea is the latest example of liberal incompetence

USMC Pilot,I like ... (Below threshold)
John:

USMC Pilot,

I like your story.

I was also in that situation as a little kid. I did what you advised, and it did indeed work. Oh, after I clocked him, I also ran like hell.

I think this works for individuals. I think it also works on bullies because they are insecure.

I don't think this works for Bush.

First off, we are not fighting THEM. "Them" is off somewhere in Pakistan or wherever. Bush is no longer interested in "Them".

We're now off somewhere else, doing god knows what to people that never picked a fight with us in the first place.

We are the bully.

Unfortunatly, the level of violence is going up, not down. Chaos is increacing. Costs are going up. The Iraqi society is fragmenting. 600,000 people have died.

I wish we could have punched Osama on the nose. For that matter, I wish we could have skinned him alive in front of his family.

That's not a very Buddhist thing to say.

And I'm trying to atone.

I wish all the answers were as simple as when we were back in gradeschool.

Respectfully,

John

Also, thanks for another re... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Also, thanks for another reminder of how the left dishonestly covers up for Bill Clinton 's misdeeds by making such a flimsy Barney-type excuse. They conveniently forget about Chinese money connection, Loral technology transfer to the Chinese communist, pardon of marc rich - a major figure in the oil-for-food corruption. That 's what we expect from the liberals any case.

John, We are fighti... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

John,
We are fighting the terrorists in Iraq. The terrorists publicly claim that Iraq democracy is a fatal blow to them and they do every thing they can to derail it. The terrorists know that this is the key battle for them. Only the liberal left doesn't know. This is either an example of willful ignorance or simply dishonesty.
Hope this help you to understand the stake in Iraq. And for your sake I hope you stay away from the intellectual and moral sewage of the liberal left.

And A. Null? You can report... (Below threshold)
Demzrghey:

And A. Null? You can report "Mission Accomplished" to Markos or DU or wherever you're trolling for. Though I suspect they won't have the deck of an aircraft carrier ready for your speech about bravely attacking the "wingnuts" in their lair.

Posted by: fatman

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That was an "attack" on "wingnuts in their lair?"

He sounded like a total idiot who doesn't care about anything but getting noticed by others, whether they hear him, see him or read his obviously bullcrap posts. Your addressing him (and my adding to his little game) probably has him giggling with delight. Some people don't believe anything--that's what his post says to me at least.

Nothing concrete was addressed, no opinion voiced, no debate, not even mentioning any other poster by name. Total waste.

Yeah barney,That's... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Yeah barney,

That's Foley's official position. You might volunteer for his next campaign.

Posted by: nehemiah

I think you got his "official" position backwards?

Except for the fac... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:
Except for the fact that Clinton was the President for the 8-years prior to Bush, and he was never so stupid to get "Stuck".
-BarneyG2000

Really?!?
Could you explain why my cousin and thousands of other US troops are still in Bosnia and Serbia? PLus our NATO allies? Where's the exit plan?
Or is going in w/o the UN's approval, and not having exit strategies only bad when the President has -R after his name?

John:OBL has said ... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

John:

OBL has said that he considers Iraq to be a central front of the Jihadist movement. I take him at his word (this time). Mainly, because we have been attack free (knock on wood) fince 9/11. The longer he continues to disrupt the recovery in Iraq the more the world tires of him. I also think that the world is tiring of Hezbolla and Hamas in much the same way, and people around the world are loosing sympathy for the Palestinians cause. The world in general is tiring of the whole Jihadist thing, and will soon come together to denounce it (if we stay the course).

LoveAmerica Immigrant,... (Below threshold)
John:

LoveAmerica Immigrant,

Until we invaded Iraq, were their many terrorists there?

Do you really think democracy in Iraq will be a "fatal blow" to terrorism?

Do you understand that if you feed people, their family will thank you? If you kill people, their family will hate you?

The combined report from the 16 federal agencies states that our Iraq policy is creating MORE terrroists, not LESS terrorists.

I hope that helps you understand what the best and brightest in our intelegence community tells us about how our policy is working.

John

Pilot, Thanks for t... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Pilot,
Thanks for the reminder of another example of liberal incompetence and failure: the Oslo accord in dealing with the Palestinian terrorists. I guess Barney cannot sleep soundly knowing that many Is women/children have been blown up by the liberal incompetence.

I'll take BJs from... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:
I'll take BJs from a 21-year old any day rather than signing condolence letters to another mother whom lost her son due my incompetency.
And Bill Clinton got to do both.
John,So do you go ... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

John,

So do you go feed other families so they will love you? We need to be feeding the families in the middle east so they won't attack us?

It's getting so complicated that I'm gonna do what Bill did and not think about it and just get a blow job. Hillary got laid two years ago so she's good for another two before she's due anyway.

John, Saddam Hussei... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

John,
Saddam Hussein was sponsoring terrorists from Iraq already. There are plenty of evidence to link Saddam and AlQ now. Saddam publicly support Palestinian terrorism against Is women/children. He offered money to Suicide bombers.

Democracy in Iraq is a definitely a blow to terrorism. Japan used to terrorise the world. Democracy changed that for them. Do you see democratic countries involved in terrorism now? Bin Laden said so himself.

BTW, Iraq is a perfect example of the incompetency (or the stupidity using the left 's own lingo) or lack of understanding. It is "fly-paper" strategy. You would rather fight the terrorists in Iraq than here.

ANd the Iraqui people really hate the terrorists blowing up their women/children. That 's why it is so despicable of the liberal left to make excuse for these evil thugs. So in the GWOT, PR is an important battle too. So I hope you will join us in fighting the left 's propaganda on behalf of the terrorists. At the same time, we should make known the magnificient job of our military in feeding Iraqui/Afghan people, building schools/hospitals and many times sacrifice their own lives to save Iraqui children from terrroists bomb.

The last NIE also said that if the terrorists are to lose in Iraq, it will reduce terrorism. THe Dems and the MSM was caught to dishonestly campaign on this leaked NIE.

In WW2, we lost several thousand soldiers just in one exercise. North Korea is the lastes example fo the failure of liberal policies.

John, hope this help your understanding further. The more I look at it, the more I think you should run from the intellectual/moral sewage of the left.

USMC Pilot,You sta... (Below threshold)
John:

USMC Pilot,

You stated;

"OBL has said that he considers Iraq to be a central front of the Jihadist movement. I take him at his word (this time)."

I take him at his word as well. It's a great opportunity to bleed us. Did we expect they would line up to get gunned down with our superior weapons? Cheney was disappointed with this a couple weeks back, but who else expected that?

Don't they teach Sun Tzu at acadamey anymore? What did he teach about the different types of "ground"? When to advance, when to hold, even why you might want to engage an enemy with your back to the sea.

Didn't they teach why we beat the British here? Lining up in red coats, fighting insurgents on their home turf is not good strategy. A bunch of poorly equiped bumkin farmers beat the most advanced military power of it's time.

Yeah, I'm sure he would think it's an important battle. It's going pretty well for him. He spent something like a couple hundred thousand dollars, and our poor reaction blew a few hundred billion. He really couldn't have hurt us. Destroyed our democracy. Taken our freedoms. Stole our money. Only we can do that.

You also said;

"The longer he continues to disrupt the recovery in Iraq the more the world tires of him."

I don't think that's true. Quite the opposite. Besides, it's not allways about OBL. I think the more we kill people in Iraq, botch the reconstruction, support the 40 some year oppression of the palestenians, the more the world tires of US.

You also mentioned;

"The world in general is tiring of the whole Jihadist thing, and will soon come together to denounce it (if we stay the course)."

I don't agree. Muslem unrest is increacing. More violence in Iraq. Terrorism internationaly is going up, not down.

Oh, one thing. We as a society need to get rid of the Jihadist label, or Jihadist word. We need to remove it from our language.

Jihad, refers to a stuggle, eiether internaly with yourself, or externaly to get closer to God.

You may be on a fierce stuggle to better yourself, and to come to know God, and you may say you are on a Jihad.

To say Jihad is "Evil" would be to say that it is evil to be a muslem and to attempt to become closer to God.

It's ofensive to Muslems.

Sick fucks that kill innocients are not in Jihad, or Jihadists.

The correct word is hirabah. It origionaly meant brigandage, but it's more general meaning is "Sinful Warfare".

When we proclaim a war on Jihad, we offend a billion muslems.

We should say we proclaim a war on hirabis, which would be more effective.

For those that are interested in learing, a link to understand.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6392989

John

"OBL has said that he consi... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"OBL has said that he considers Iraq to be a central front of the Jihadist movement. I take him at his word"

Pilot, are you aware that OBL also said, funny how the Prez never mentions this bit, "The most important thing is that you continue in your jihad in Iraq. Indeed, prolonging the war is in our interest, with God's permission.

So OBL wants us to get "stuck" in Iraq.

Don't post like a terrorist... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

Don't post like a terrorist unless you want people to believe you are one. Why do you hate this country so much Barney? Do you want us to win??

And Bill Clinton got to do ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

And Bill Clinton got to do both.

Posted by: SCSIwuzzy

Not one American life was lost in Kosovo.

More Americans have lost their lives in Iraq than were killed in 9/11. Saddam was responsible for the death of 400,000 Iraqis (mostly killed attempting to overthrow the government) over a 20-year period. Bush is responsible for the death of 600,000 or more after only 3 and 1/2 years.

John, above is so correct, you can't beat an insurgency, noboby ever has, but this asshole for President thinks that he will be the first.

More Americans have lost th... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

More Americans have lost their lives in Iraq than were killed in 9/11. Saddam was responsible for the death of 400,000 Iraqis (mostly killed attempting to overthrow the government) over a 20-year period. Bush is responsible for the death of 600,000 or more after only 3 and 1/2 years.
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THe 600,000 figure was a blatant lie which has been exposed. Americans killed in car accident per year have far exceeded the number of soldiers killed in battle in Iraq. IN one exercise in WW2 more soldiers were killed than the entire Iraq war so far.

Liberals have been responsible for more than 100 million people killed, maimed, tortured by the communists. Liberals are responsible for more than 1 billion people still oppressed by communists. Liberals are responsible for Iraqui women/children, Israeli women/children blown up by the terrorists. Liberals are responsible for providing propaganda for terrorists blowing up innocent women/children around the world. Bush has freed 50 million people from the yoke of the worst dictators in the modern world.

Barney is trying to say that Iraq was better under Saddam. Basically real torture, rape room, meat grinder, genocide were better for the Iraqui people. Thanks for another example of the moral sewage of the liberal left.

I don't think that's true. ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I don't think that's true. Quite the opposite. Besides, it's not allways about OBL. I think the more we kill people in Iraq, botch the reconstruction, support the 40 some year oppression of the palestenians, the more the world tires of US.
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We are killing the terrorists in Iraq. The terrorists are blowing up Iraqui women/children. I don't know whether you are writing this out of ignorance or on purpose. If it is on purpose, then it is really despicable.

Using the typical liberal less-than-honest rhetoric you are using, the world here are those like Chavez, OBL, Kim Jong Il, the European left, and those who are willing to sell out the poor/oppressed for Saddam oil (oil for food corruption). The world is so tired of AMerica that they are still trying to come here. If it is up to world, Iraq and Afghan are still santuary of terrorists, more Is women/children would be blown off, more American cities would be wiped out. I don't need the world, I need American protection more. just ask the Japanese and South JKorea now.




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