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The Grunts Outclass the Patrician

Christopher Hitchens has a piece in Opinion Journal today that is recommended reading. I thought this excerpt was of particular interest:

For now, the Democratic leadership has ridden (again) to Mr. Bush's rescue by making its own literal-minded condemnation of Mr. Kerry's pratfall. Sen. Clinton and Rep. Ford, and numerous other more exposed and nervous aspirants, are taking their distance from their former standard-bearer. If this is the courage that they show in the face of a minor flub from one of their own . . . but let that go. Is there anything to be learned, or gained, from this essentially frivolous side-issue? I think that possibly there may be.


On Wednesday evening, on Hugh Hewitt's high-octane radio show, I accepted his challenge and gave out my private email. I had said that my emails from soldiers in Iraq were generally relaxed about the Kerry flap: He wanted me to hear different.

I have since had the chance to read about 500 or 600 messages. Almost all of them politely phrased (I exempt one from "the Riordan family" who evidently have not forgiven the long history of British depredation in Ireland) and almost all of them appending the list of college degrees as well as of medals and citations held, these letters show a very deep and interesting rift in which Mr. Kerry plays only a secondary part. Many of my respondents agreed that his words may not have meant or intended quite what they first seemed to mean, but they also felt that the klutziness was Freudian, so to speak, in that the senator's patrician contempt for grunts and dogfaces was bound to come out sooner or later.

It is very kind and gracious of the troops to accept Kerry's comments as merely a Freudian slip considering he has expressed contempt for the "grunts and dogfaces" on another occasion since his Ghengis Kahn testimony at the Senate hearings in 1971.


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Kim - I have another term f... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Kim - I have another term for you to look up, since I'm sure you just did re: Freudian... cognative dissonance. You have a case. Bad. When you have to lie and distort to get your point across, you need an intervention.

Good day.

Oh, and as far as my alcoholics go, I prefer Bukowski rather than Hitchens. Better imagery. Also - strange that Hugh Hewitt would get anti-Kerry letter. I wonder why?

I wonder what the troops fi... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

I wonder what the troops find more insulting...Kerry's comment about Bush's lack of intellect getting us stuck in Iraq or Bush's joke about looking around the Oval office for WMD and not finding them while troops were ducking fire in Iraq.

<a href="http://www.youtube... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:
If we're going to go comple... (Below threshold)

If we're going to go completely off-thread, I'd like ot nominate Ted Kennedy as my favorite alcoholic. The Lion of the Democratic Party must have the world's strongest liver.

J.

It's shaping up to me that ... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

It's shaping up to me that the claims that the joke wasn't suppose to come out that way may have been correct. Sounds also like it was written for him.

So during the speach he misread it or mis-remembered it into what he actually said. The problem is that he had no problem speaking aloud what he thought he read/remembered. He either relies completely on his speach writter meaning he's a talking head at these events or has no innate filter against what he thought the joke said.

That's seperate from his refusal to truely apologize for the unintended insult.

Let's be fair about this. ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Let's be fair about this. We could go on again about the Democrats' "contempt" for the military. We could also go on about the Republican administration's inability to use the military "we have to go to battle with" in an effective way in Iraq. But I feel that the important thing to learn from the Kerry episode -and I mean for the Democrats to learn from the Kerry episode - is that if you want to win an election from a President you call an idiot, don't run an idiot against him. When the Democrats enter the modern age and begin to look for executive material outside of the Northeast US Ivy League culture that elect Democrats simply based on "legacy" then the Democrats will garner more serious attention from folks who are not part of interests groups sewn to the teats of that party. Kerry should have never been the nominee for the Democratic Party in 2004 if the party was truly serious about wanting the White House. Maybe they are finally seeing that. Oh, and I would also like to write a prescription for some curare for muirgeo. He has really got to learn to relax a little.

Hanoi John's history should... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Hanoi John's history should tell everyone with an IQ above room tempature that he did not mis-speak. Go back to th late 60's early 70's and lister to or read his rants against the military. I'll call him a phony and a liar to his face if I ever see him anywhere and as a Vietnam vet that will be my right. He's been a military hater since he failed miserably in his attempt to be a reserve navy type. He had to make up a military resume to support his planned political career since he couldn't truthfully accomplish anything on his own. Cowards seldom do. Abandoning his mates in a battle and then abandoned his crew after less than four months is not a sign of anything other than a coward.

Talk about phony as a three dollar bill, that's Hanoi John.

I see the democrat's terrorists pardners in Iraq are carrying out their part of the deal, killing Americans for votes.

Jay, perhaps you are not so... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Jay, perhaps you are not so off topic..patricians of the right and left, which include most congressman and senators, in terms of net worth, have this in common. This is perhaps why the 'grunts' Iraq are not so provoked by Kerry's remark whatever the intent...They are accustomed to be led or misled from behind by politicians, even those with some military experience like Kerry or others, who seem more interested in making political points than improving their lot. It is all probably water off a duck's back to them.

Christopher Hitchens remain... (Below threshold)
Rob:

Christopher Hitchens remains one of the most sobering voices from the right. He always has the best chance of articulating the right's point of view to the point of pursuasion. His intelligence and logical analysis of his views never fail to convince you that maybe the right isn't just populated with maniacs after all, even though his views often run contrary to my own. Having said all of that, I think his experiment proves that the relevance of this issue is limited only to the banter between the incendiary right wing punditry and reflexive, desperate left wing political aspirants. Can we leave this alone finally?

I don't see how the explana... (Below threshold)
Retread:

I don't see how the explanation that Kerry meant to call the President an idiot makes what he said any better. The man holds high public office and was making a public speech. He didn't have the common sense or good manners to state his differences with the President, he took a cheap shot and botched even that.

Make the rounds of some of the milblogs. It's clear in a few minutes that we have intelligent, articulate people in the military.

It was worth the flap, though, to see the 'Halp Us Jon Carry' response.

Bob: "...I think his exp... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Bob: "...I think his experiment proves that the relevance of this issue is limited only to the banter between the incendiary right wing punditry and reflexive, desperate left wing political aspirants."

Actually, unless the soldiers in the now famous photo ["Halp us Jon Carry..."] were all "incendiary right wing punditry" this is NOT as limited as you suppose.

The Dimocrat Party has alternately disparaged our military and taken them for granted. The splendid men & women in our military SEE...and they are tired of what they see.

sorry...I was responding to... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

sorry...I was responding to "Rob", not "Bob" (of which there are none on this site to the best of my knowledge)

How ironic that while Kerry... (Below threshold)
Tim:

How ironic that while Kerry was telling a group of students to do their homework, he was botching the joke because HE didn't do HIS homework.

Bush should've said: "We will leave no Senator behind. Even the dumb ones from Mass."

Did Kerry mean in his 1971 ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Did Kerry mean in his 1971 speech before congress that his own genitalia had been mutilated in Vietnam? This would explain why he doesn't have the balls to say anything remotely honest or convincing.

Just trying to put 2 and 2 together here.

Mitchell..how about a "coff... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Mitchell..how about a "coffee alert" next time? :) Still, wiping coffee off my keyboard was worth it!!

The problem is th... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
The problem is that he had no problem speaking aloud what he thought he read/remembered

Posted by: jpm100

Dittos jmp100, that has been my thinking all along on the "botched joke" scenario.

Once Kerry uttered "you get stuck in Iraq" he carried on. No pause to say "that is.... get US stuck in Iraq" to correct himself.

I'm still inclined to believe he thought those were the correct words he was supposed to say. And the reason I say that is because of who the audience was......which was College moonbats.

I have read over and over the left wing elitist attitudes on military service. Campuses across the lefty plains from High Schools to Colleges have been running recruiters off. Students in ROTC uniforms are ridiculed and badgered.

I spent 8 years on the AOL message boards. There used to be a great collection of conservative opinions on there. But the turning point where it turned into an extension of DU was when Pat Tillman was killed.

The lefty messages were down right vile and vulgar on how stupid Tillman was for joining the Army to the "Good, I'm glad he's dead" remarks because he joined while Bush was Commander in Chief.

The people who came to post condolences were shocked to find the pure lefty hated as they posted their sediments over the shock of a majority of lefties posting such garbage.

So YES, it is VERY possible that Kerry thought he was playing to his audience by ridiculing military service. When he said it he didn't blink an eye. And yes there is still very much lefty distain for military service.

The dim's leadership are hi... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

The dim's leadership are hiding in a hole and digging deeper because of the lying Hanoi John's insult of the troops. He just voiced what all dem's think anyway. Why hide from it? Will they all desert to France when the terrorist attack this country? Most likely, except France is already under the control of radical murdering Islam. Guess they'll have to go to one of their favorite communist havens.

NYT's verifies that President Bush was right. Saddam was a danger to the world and getting more dangerous every day. How about them apples?

How many American cities would be in ruins and how many millions of Americans would be dead if Saddam was still in power?

Who was the spy for Saddam in the IAEA arm of the U.N.? Every classified document created by the IAEA was in Saddams filing cabinet. Old coke head Annan should be made to answer for that.

Let's not forget the number... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Let's not forget the number of colleges that BANNED military recruiters and ROTC. (most recinded when confronted with losing money!)

Let's not forget places like San Francisco that BANNED military recruiters from High Schools, and from them calling High School students. Rationale: these students are "impressionable". Same folks have NO problem with Kalifornia mandating 3 weeks of "Muslim Immersion" for Middle-Schoolers. THREE WEEKS!!

and so on...

The Left HATES our military...and the military KNOWS IT!

How ironic that while Kerry... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

How ironic that while Kerry was telling a group of students to do their homework, he was botching the joke because HE didn't do HIS homework.

Bush should've said: "We will leave no Senator behind. Even the dumb ones from Mass."

Posted by: Tim


Yeah LOL how ironic....yeah Kerry ...what a dope....oh this just in...from Iraq

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Army First Lt. Scott Quilty, 26, a college scholar who'd gone to Iraq just six weeks before, had been seriously injured when a roadside booby trap blew up his platoon...Scott was stabilized at a local hospital and was on his way to the intensive care...
11/04/06 magicvalley: Idaho trooper injured during Army tour in Iraq
Trooper Eric Stroh has been sent to Germany for treatment after his vehicle was caught in the explosion from an improvised explosive
11/04/06 indexjournal; South Carolina Marine injured in explosion
Marine 2nd Lt. Andrew Kinard...was struck in the lower body with an improvised explosive device, or IED...In the explosion, Kinard lost all of his right leg and most of his left...The blast took it off above the knee.
11/04/06 billingsgazette: Injured ex-soldier enjoys brief presidential chat
John Bennett...was hit in the right side of his waist in February 2005 by a sniper in Iraq. After six months in hospitals, he returned home to Montana.
11/04/06 nwaonline: Fayetteville Marine Injured in Iraq
Lance Cpl. Chris Traxson of Rogers and Lance Cpl. Trey O'Connell of Fayetteville were both injured when the device exploded near their Humvee near Balad, north of Baghdad, said 1st Sgt. Eric Olson of the 24th Marine Regiment.
11/04/06 mysanantonio: B-25 transports young wounded vets back in time
Barely six months have passed since Army Pfc. Josh Stein's Bradley vehicle hit an explosive in Iraq that, he says, "pretty much blew it all to hell." Days later, he awoke at Brooke Army Medical Center, where troops wounded in the war are healing
11/04/06 ellsworthmaine: Wounded Soldier Makes Gains
Sgt. Harold Gray...has begun showing signs of improvement, his father said. Gray, 35...He suffered serious shrapnel injuries after a roadside bomb hit a convoy he had been riding in Dec. 26, 2004, in Mosul.
11/04/06 Reuters: Bombs in Mahmudiya and Suwayra kill 1, wound 14
A car bomb exploded in the town of Mahmudiya...killing one civilian and wounding three others, police said...A bicycle bomb exploded in a crowded market in Suwayra 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, wounding 11 people, police said.
11/04/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill five people in Mosul, 1 in Diwaniya
Gunmen shot dead five people in different incidents in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said...Four gunmen in a car shot dead a civilian in central Diwaniya
11/04/06 dpa: Five Iraqi presidential guards killed in blast
Five presidential security guards were killed and two were wounded in an explosion in northern Iraq, police officials reported Saturday. The incident occurred Friday night on the Baghdad-Kirkuk highway.
11/04/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill 2 civilians, two bodies found in Baghdad
Gunmen in a car opened fire and killed two people and wounded five others in western Baghdad, police said...Police found two bodies in different parts of Baghdad bearing signs of torture and bullet wounds, police said.
11/04/06 Itar-Tass: Four Russians injured in Iraq to be conveyed to Moscow
There is no threat to the lives of the four Russians who were injured in Iraq in a mortar round explosion, a Russian Foreign Ministry source said on Saturday.
11/04/06 modbee: Modesto soldier killed in Iraq
Army Staff Sgt. Joseph Gage, a native of Modesto, was killed Thursday in Iraq when a roadside bomb detonated near his vehicle...he was in a Humvee leading a four-vehicle convoy in Baghdad...two other soldiers and an interpreter suffered fatal injuries
11/04/06 NTimes: For U.S. and Top Iraqi, Animosity Is Mutual
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11/04/06 NYTimes: Gunnery Sgt. Shawn M. Dempsey shot in the back
One marine, Gunnery Sgt. Shawn M. Dempsey of Weapons Company, was shot in the back as he helped a small girl across a street. The plate saved him. He remains on duty as a platoon commander.
11/04/06 NYTimes: Lance Cpl. Colin Smith shot on Monday
Lance Cpl. Colin Smith, who was shot on Monday, was behind a machine gun in a vehicle turret, a position that placed him higher in the air than a walking marine.. He survived but fell into a coma and was placed on life support.
11/04/06 NYTimes: Sniper Attacks Adding to Peril of U.S. Troops
The bullet passed through Lance Cpl. Juan Valdez-Castillo as his Marine patrol moved down a muddy urban lane. It was a single shot. The lance corporal fell against a wall, tried to stand and fell again.
11/04/06 AP: 4 Iraqi provinces under 12-hour curf
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11/04/06 Xinhua: Two Russians killed in rocket barrage in southern Iraq
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11/04/06 Reuters: U.S.-backed Iraqi troops raid Sadr City cell
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11/04/06 WaPo: Contractors Rarely Held Responsible for Misdeeds in Iraq
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11/04/06 iribnews: 5 Iraqi presidential guards killed
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11/03/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty
Pvt. Michael P. Bridges, 23, of Placentia, Calif., died Nov. 2 in Taji, Iraq, from a non-combat related incident. Bridges was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 66th Armor Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.
11/03/06 AP: U.N. - 100,000 Iraq Refugees Flee Monthly
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11/03/06 reuters: U.S. stops plan to return convicted soldier to Iraq
U.S. military commanders reversed plans to send a soldier convicted of offenses at the Abu Ghraib prison back to Iraq after news media disclosed the deployment, the U.S. Army said on Friday.
11/03/06 AFP: Kidnapped US soldier 'in the hands of Baathists'
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11/03/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill civialian in Zab and mosque preacher in Kirkuk
Gunmen killed a fuel station employee in the town of Zab...Gunmen shot dead a Sunni mosque preacher in the northern oil city of Kirkuk...
11/03/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill baghdad singer
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11/03/06 Reuters: Bodyguard of Shiite cleric killed near Najaf
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11/03/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill cab driver, IED wounds 3 civilians
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11/03/06 Reuters: Another journalist killed in Baghdad
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11/03/06 Reuters: Landmine kills 2 boys in Kut
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11/03/06 Reuters: Four policemen killed by roadside bomb in Madaen
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11/03/06 Reuters: Police clash with three gunmen at a police checkpoint in Numaniya
Police clashed with three gunmen at a police checkpoint, wounding two and arresting a third, in Numaniya, 120 km (72 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
11/03/06 Reuters: Iraqi bodyguards arrested in Falluja
Iraqi police backed by U.S. Marines arrested three bodyguards working for the mayor of Falluja and five other people after they came under attack from a government building, the U.S. military said.

....but anyway yeah Kerry...what a moron...how ironic....

Muirego, you are ugly whore... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Muirego, you are ugly whore. Oh, Im sorry, I was referring to Ted Kennedy, Muirego. It was just a joke. Any insult to the Kennedy family is just coinsedental. Only people who are willing to overlook what that cowardly back shooting self fragging, communist loving gigilo. If, after watching Kerry give that speech in Pasadena, you think he was making a joke about the President, youi should have your medical license revoked because you don't know the your ass from a hole in the ground.

yes, more-ego, it IS a dang... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

yes, more-ego, it IS a dangerous situation. Made vastly MORE dangerous when our very own elected officials make disparaging comments about OUR troops, that demoralizes them and/or gives comfort to our enemies.

Go find the police blotter for Detroit from last weekend, now multiply the number of murders by the ratio of people in Detroit to people in Iraq. You'll find that Detroit is MORE dangerous than Iraq.

But yes, Iraq IS dangerous. And the murderous scum that want to kill our soldiers THERE are truly the same ones that want to kill us HERE.

but anyway yeah ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
but anyway yeah Kerry...what a moron...how ironic

I agree, what a moron. I guess Kerry forgot he voted to send troops to Iraq, forgot he voted against funds for body armor and forgot to attend more than half of the "Intelligence Committee" meetings.

I guess the reason you always see someone walking with Kerry is so they can help him from walking into walls.


"Yeah LOL how ironic....yea... (Below threshold)
SShiell:

"Yeah LOL how ironic....yeah Kerry ...what a dope....oh this just in...from Iraq"

All the following you print is true, muirgeo. So thanks for helping us make the point that Kerry's statements show he is contemptuous of the military. Because with all of that kind of activity going on in Iraq, it is impossible for me to believe that he would make statements like he did about our military or that a PIECE OF SHIT like you would support his comments.

This was so funny. After th... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

This was so funny. After the "All Stars" on Brit Hume last night they showed a clip from Conan O'Brian.

The Kerry face with the lips moving telling a joke.

Kerry: A guy walks into a bar and asks the bartender for a purple knee high.

The bartender said "what's a purple knee high?"

The guy said "Our troops are idiots"

Dang it "I botched the joke".

I'm still laughing over that one. But I guess you had to see it.

Dick Durbin must be thinkin... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Dick Durbin must be thinking: "HEY, what about ME??"

Ok, DICK...here ya go:

"you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
"Senator" Richard Durbin, 6/14/2005 on the floor of the US Senate

To Dickie 7,000,000 Jews gassed and cooked EQUALS a handful of embarrased terrorists with pantyhose on their heads!!!

Get a load of this: ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

Get a load of this:
John Kerry's Official Site

The "HA HA HA, I didn't really apologize because I don't have to " right off his own web page.

The nutshell:

Although there are plenty of well-educated people in our armed forces -- Kerry was one of them -- military service has long been an opportunity employer for those with less education and fewer skills than they need to work in the private sector. Indeed, the military sells itself as a place to garner skills and to help pay for higher education.

And wars, including this one, are often fought by those less privileged -- albeit no less smart -- than the sons and daughters of those who lead us into them.

Apologies? Sure, from the cut-and-run Democratic candidates who've cancelled appearances with Kerry

How would you like to see "... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

How would you like to see "mun-go" (linkman-or is thar cut and paste man?) say what he says in front of a bunch of "grunts". He would be like and old cur dog--slinking away with his tail between his legs. I guess we should drop the word "man" when we mention his name. Wonder how many "links" he could come up with to give him?-her?-it?-whatever time to slink away.

One question no one has add... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

One question no one has addressed. Will the democrats hired killers in Iraq quit killing American soldiers Wednesday morning or will they come to the U.S. to collect their pay? I'm betting they show up in the U.S. real soon for a little show of death and destruction since they know the dim's won't do anything about it, except give them millions of taxpayer dollars and maybe a couple of nuclear reactor's. Worked in the 90's for Kim.

Scrapiron..I take it your q... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Scrapiron..I take it your question about Democrats and hired killers in Iraq was meant to be rhetorical. On the other hand, the Republican Administration is now employing the so called Salvador Option , that is through our increased $upport of the Maliki government, training and financing 'death squads', who kill far more innocent civilians than terrorists, and in the mix
to be sure, individual American soldiers. If a 'Vote for Democrats' is a 'vote for terrorists ' a vote for Republicans could be interpreted as 'vote for death squads'. America deserved a better option than this.




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