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Straight from the ex-donkey's mouth

I have to admit that while I'm a science-fiction fan, I'm a fairly casual one. Sturgeon's Law ("90% of science fiction is crud, but 90% of everything is crud") seems very appopriate. And there is a lot of good stuff out there I haven't read.

Orson Scott Card is one of those writers I keep meaning to look into, but keep forgetting to.

It turns out that Card, like a lot of writers and artistic sorts, is a liberal Democrat. (Folks like Dafydd ab Hugh are the exception; Peter David is a far better example of the "typical" writer.)

Or, at least, Card WAS.

Sometimes it takes a specialist in fantasy to fully grasp reality. Sometimes a man whose livelihood is making up false tales is best suited to tell the truth. And sometimes it takes a proven, professional writer to make amateurs like me step back and realize just what separates us ants from the Big Boys.

Well, this is one of those times.


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That about sums it up.... (Below threshold)
bryclark21:

That about sums it up.

If you can spare a moment, ... (Below threshold)
Mister Tan:

If you can spare a moment, check out the short story that launched the Ender's chain of books. He made it available for free on his website:

http://www.hatrack.com/osc/stories/enders-game.shtml

It's great stuff. Hope they get that movie made!

I'm a born and bred Chicago... (Below threshold)

I'm a born and bred Chicago Democrat. There WAS no other party for me. As Dennis Miller summed up so well, "I was a democrat until they displayed absolutely no interest in protecting men and my family."

If you read nothing else by Card, read "Ender's Game."

Amazing piece of writing an... (Below threshold)

Amazing piece of writing and thinking. Thanks for reproducing this, J.T.

Winslow

Good essay and I am sure th... (Below threshold)
jack oneil:

Good essay and I am sure the Dems lost a lot of people when they turned on Joe.

Orson Scott Card is in most... (Below threshold)

Orson Scott Card is in most ways a classic liberal. Not the new frothing-at-the-mouth breed we see so much of today.

How liberal can you be when... (Below threshold)
Mike:

How liberal can you be when you're a Mormon?

Nice Mike ... No God fearin... (Below threshold)
bryclark21:

Nice Mike ... No God fearing person can be liberal! Liberals are all atheists! Honestly???

...And in related news, The... (Below threshold)
John:

...And in related news, The American Conservative Magazine calls for the GOP to be voted out of office.

It's been a topsy-turvy week, huh?

John

The Only Issue This Electio... (Below threshold)
muirgeo:

The Only Issue This Election Day

There is only one issue in this election that will matter five or ten years from now, and that's the War on Terror.

That's all I had to read.....10 years from now the WOT will be as significant as the Cold war is now. Energy, climate change, the weakened US dollar, potential global depression, the debt and trade imbalance as well as the control of markets by multinational corporations will be far more significant issues.

The most significant issue for tomorrows election is government Of, By and For the people.....that needs to win out.

Thanks Jay. Serious people ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Thanks Jay. Serious people understand the issue of the day. And no serious people can support the Dem party.

"10 years from now the WOT ... (Below threshold)
bryclark21:

"10 years from now the WOT will be as significant as the Cold war is now."

This is only true if we win.

Good post! However... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Good post!

However a minor point, I remember Sturgeon's Law as something like: "90% of everything is crud" Immediately followed by Sturgeon's corollary: "Including Sturgeon's Law "

muirge: :...10 years from n... (Below threshold)

muirge: :...10 years from now the WOT will be as significant as the Cold war is now..."

Your statement clearly typifies the liberal viewpoint that there is no need of a war on terror just like past liberals never took seriously the cold war threat of Communism back in the day.
Even the lesson of millions of innocents killed and inslaved in Asia after our country was pressured by liberals to pull out of Vietnam is lost on you and your blind and misguided comrades.
All you seem to understand is defeatism, cowardice, appeasement, and self-centerness.

Muirgeo, wow, that's some c... (Below threshold)

Muirgeo, wow, that's some cold, dark and depressing future you have planned for yourself there.

Muirgeo, wow, that's some c... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Muirgeo, wow, that's some cold, dark and depressing future you have planned for yourself there.
Posted by: Oyster at November 6, 2006 01:24 PM

Of course, he's a Democrat!

The Only Issue This Electio... (Below threshold)

The Only Issue This Election Day

There is only one issue in this election that will matter five or ten years from now, and that's the War on Terror.

That's all I had to read...

...

Posted by: muirgeo

And thus muirgeo maintains and reinforces his ignorance.

(Definition: Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, or a willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one's actions. Ignorance is also a "state of being ignorant" or unaware (not knowing).)

Thanks for being honest with us muirgeo.

Intreresting that Lorie Byr... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

Intreresting that Lorie Byrd had a post on the same topic with the same point. Interesting she pulled it down.

Your're really getting desperate when you cite one democrat who happens to be a science fiction writer. But then you soak up what the fiction writers for Bush have him prattle on about. So, no surprose either way.

Of course in your usual dishonest and distorted manner of writing Jay you headline him as an "Ex-donkey" though you did say he was a democrat. You'd think you were a star writer for Fox Jay.

Thanks muirego, for once ag... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Thanks muirego, for once again demonstrating to the world that those of you on the left simple don't get it.

Card is my favorite author. I think I've read every book he's written and the only disappointment was the "homecomeing" series, and even those were a lot better than most science fiction out there.

I think Card is really about as much of a "democrat" as I am. By this I mean, if the "democrats" really stood for the principles that they profess, I'd be one too. Sadly the modern American "democratic" party is wrong on pretty much every issue. They worry about irrelevant things and ingore the most relevent issues (see muirego's post above as a classic example), and the only "solutions" they can even begin to conceive are secular socialist plans that have historically failed miserably every time they've been tried.

The Only Issue This Electio... (Below threshold)
Mark:

The Only Issue This Election Day

There is only one issue in this election that will matter five or ten years from now, and that's the War on Terror.


That's all I had to read.....10 years from now the WOT will be as significant as the Cold war is now. Energy, climate change, the weakened US dollar, potential global depression, the debt and trade imbalance as well as the control of markets by multinational corporations will be far more significant issues.

The most significant issue for tomorrows election is government Of, By and For the people.....that needs to win out.

Posted by: muirgeo at November 6, 2006 12:35 PM

You are wrong on most of this Muirgeo, but I'm not surprised by that.

What Orsen Scott Card has realized is actually extremely simple, but liberals like you refuse to acknowledge. If the people who currently proclaim JIHAD get a chance to get back on their feet they will attack and keep attacking until either they or we are dead. These people are religious fanatics in a way you cannot comprehend because you think of all religious people from an atheists viewpoint. You can't imagine that they truly believe what they say, and worse, don't understand just how much power their faith gives them.

To be honest, I'd love for you to be right and for the biggest issue in 10 years to be a global economic depression. (although I expect that to occur in 2-3 years no matter who wins this election, but that's not the point.) However that depression isn't going to stop the "war on terror" from continuing.

... what a name "War on Terror" it isn't a war on terror and calling it that only allowed liberals like you to ignore the truth. Lets call it what is really is. "The Continuing Pursuit by Arabic Clans to control the World through a Religious Hegemony, resisted by the few remaining Sane Westerners." Since you don't understand the first part, you refuse to resist and try to keep appeasing those who have no reason to care what concessions you give them.

Its as the saying goes. "Appeasement is simply throwing others to the Alligator in the hopes he eats you last." I don't want to be last because I threw everyone else before me, so I'll support the fight to kill the Alligator before it becomes too powerful. Orsen Scoot Card appears to agree, as do most posters here.

But then again, you have "enlightened" and understand that religious doesn't exist in real life.

Hope you can keep saying that if/when the jihadi's come to execute you for refusing to proclaim "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet."

Jay Tea,Your headl... (Below threshold)
scotty:

Jay Tea,

Your headline suggests Card is no longer claiming to be a Democrat. I didn't read that. Also, you say he is a liberal Democrat. Card is a conservative, and despite being a registered Democrat, I'm guessing (do direct evidence) his voting record since joining the Democrat party in 1970, as his piece states, has been as follows: Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Perot, Dole, Bush, Bush.

Brief parusal of his website will give you a clear indication of his conservative viewpoint.

Muirgeo, it is no surprise ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Muirgeo, it is no surprise to me that you counter Mr. Card's focus on a single issue with a literal laundry list of your own. It is typical of folks like yourself: 1) the longer the list, the chance exists that you might actually be right about at least one of the reasons - you know, a kind of intellectual laziness; 2) if you focus on only one issue like Mr. Card, it clearly defines a challenge you need to meet. The "laundry list" yoou give makes it easier to sit back and complain about SOMETHING and work toward the resolution of nothing - intellectual cowardice. Let's face it Muirgeo, if I lived with the sort of pessimism you convey on a daily basis, I would have to be on meds. I remain an optimist that problems can be solved and maybe that's naive. But if you don't like the President's plan on TGWOOT or Iraq come out and be specific about you don't like. If the US wants to train the Iraqis to handle their own security and you don't think it can be done, then specifically take the condescending stance that that part of the world is incapable of policing its own affairs. That poverty, misogyny, etc. are genetically ingrained in that part of the world and personal freedom could never have any meaning to the people of the Arab world.

I do remember when colorado... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

I do remember when colorado senator BEN NIGHTHORSE CAMBELL switch partiee back when we still had KING WILLIAM

Isn't the iraq War the cent... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Isn't the iraq War the central piece of the Republican's War on Terror?

Don't vote for a Dem that calls Iraq a quagmire.
If they can't tell the difference between a clusterfuck and a quagmire...

Yes, Card is a Democrat. Ye... (Below threshold)

Yes, Card is a Democrat. Yes, he's pretty conservative (pretty much one of those famed "Yellow Dogs"). Yes, The Ornery American is a great site full of outstanding essays. Don't just guess about what he thinks; read his archives. He's got one of the better analytical and imaginative minds out there (a rare combo).




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