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Martyrs R Us

With the sentencing of Saddam Hussein, we have yet another milestone in the War on Terror accomplished. Hussein, for his crimes against humanity, has been judged by his peers -- fellow Iraqis, those who suffered most under his fist -- and sentenced to hang by the neck until he is dead.

And with that comes yet more predictions of rises in violence, of riots and terrorist attacks and mayhem in its wake.

But while I always hear about "killing terrorists only makes more terrorists," I haven't seen too much evidence of it.

We killed both of Saddam's sons, the "Scott Evils" of dictators. No real disturbances.

We got Zarqawi with a couple laser-guided love notes. Not much fuss.

We put a lot of Al Qaeda's leadership in prison or left them pushing up daisies. No major retaliations.

I think it was in a Tom Clancy novel where the characters were discussing the danger of converting a live enemy into a dead martyr. The response, and I'm loosely paraphrasing here:

"Do you know what all martyrs have in common? They're all dead."

Killing one's enemy might inspire more to take up their cause. Or it might show the price of defiance. But the number of terrorists who redouble their efforts after being killed is 0%.

In all of recorded history, I can only think of three figures whose death actually led to more and more support for their cause, eventually leading to the triumph over their oppressors. And all three of them -- Jesus Christ, Mahatma Gandhi, and Dr. Martin Luther King -- were not terrorists or even men of the sword, but men who preached peace and non-violence.

As the people of Texas are fond of saying, "some folks just need killing."

And if some people take those deaths as inspiration to become terrorists, then they've just moved themselves on to that list of folks.


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Comments (107)

You can only think of 3?</p... (Below threshold)
Rance:

You can only think of 3?

You forgot The Alamo!

I don't think the Alamo cou... (Below threshold)

I don't think the Alamo counts since Alamo wasn't a person. Good try, though.

Socrates?... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Socrates?

The Maine, though like the ... (Below threshold)
Rodney Dill:

The Maine, though like the Alamo, not a single person.

Joseph Smith.

The Buddha.Also, I... (Below threshold)
Desi:

The Buddha.

Also, India was already independent when Gandhi was shot dead.

Before Saddam was captured,... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Before Saddam was captured, we lost about 310 Americans in Iraq. Since Saddam was captured we lost about 2,526. Since when is 2.5K US casualties "No real disturbances"?

Hey, where is Mitchell? We need to discuss Ortega!!

Jay,Excellent plac... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

Jay,

Excellent placement of hammer on head of nail. One swing and it's pounded in eloquently.

Cheers...............

Is a Tom Clancy novel the c... (Below threshold)
MyPetGloat:

Is a Tom Clancy novel the closest you've ever come to experiencing combat, Jay?

Jay,Killing terror... (Below threshold)
Rob:

Jay,

Killing terrorists doesn't make more terrorists, you're correct. Blasting tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis into dust while waging an unecessary war does.

...unecessary war...... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

...unecessary war...

Tell that to the Shiites and Kurds under Saddam and then try and tell them that this was an "unecessary war".

Peter,Maybe they s... (Below threshold)
rob:

Peter,

Maybe they should have fought the war instead of our brothers and sisters.

You jackal's will NEVER lea... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

You jackal's will NEVER learn from history. There are not TWO ways to stop terrorism, only ONE.

If you don't understand what the answer is, then you should stop embarressing yourselves by flapping your worthless gums.

Great bumper-sticker logic,... (Below threshold)

Great bumper-sticker logic, Jay.

At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?

Oyster, the world will be f... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Oyster, the world will be free of terrorism when it is free of nazism, fascism, imperialism, and drunk drivers. But we don't allow any of those do we?

I have never seen such stupitity on a blog. Grow up you children.

Jay,That's one of ... (Below threshold)
John:

Jay,

That's one of the strangest arguments I've heard. You state;

"In all of recorded history, I can only think of three figures whose death actually led to more and more support for their cause, eventually leading to the triumph over their oppressors. And all three of them -- Jesus Christ, Mahatma Gandhi, and Dr. Martin Luther King -- were not terrorists or even men of the sword, but men who preached peace and non-violence."

I agree. They preached peace and non-violence, and they gained more support for their cause.

Your very next sentence which is pretty much in the spirit of your article states;

"As the people of Texas are fond of saying, "some folks just need killing."

...And you do not understand the contridiction of these two things that you have just said?

You talk about the great contributors to peace and non-violence, and how they had the most impact because of their beliefs, then in the next breath advocate violence and murder.

Your logic needs examination.

John


They tried that. Obviously ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

They tried that. Obviously you don't recall what happened. Refresh you short-term memory here.

We righted a wrong.

Oyster,I want to s... (Below threshold)
John:

Oyster,

I want to see an answer to your question. I want to see an honest, well reasoned answer, because your question is probably the most important thing I've heard asked on this blog in a long time.

You asked;

"At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?"

I'd like to know that as well. For that matter, we have a billion muslems in the world. At what rate, and how many will we need to kill before we can be terrroist free?

Who's got an honest answer?

John

Your logic needs e... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Your logic needs examination

John,

If someone is trying to covert YOU to their thinking, which is better, a gun to your head or a compelling argument.

If they have to do it with a gun to my head, then I hope they die before I do.

Hope that helps.


What they forget to tell yo... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

What they forget to tell you about martyrs is that they're forgotten as soon as something else new and shiny pops up... They don't provide a continuous source of fresh inspiration, so they go skunky faster than a cheap pilsner.

Jumpinjoe,A compel... (Below threshold)
John:

Jumpinjoe,

A compelling argument is better. A gun to my head can only persuade me to act in my own best interest, and only for so long as the gun is to my head.

A compelling argument can cause me to change my beliefs, and create long lasting changes in my behavior.

No, I don't think you've helped me. I don't understand your point, which makes it difficult to find your argument compelling.

John

A few easy questions, but t... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

A few easy questions, but the Democrats have no answers so they CUT AND RUN.

TheExecutioner,Wha... (Below threshold)
John:

TheExecutioner,

What is the answer to this question?

"At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?"

John

No, I don't think ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
No, I don't think you've helped me. I don't understand your point, which makes it difficult to find your argument compelling

Sorry John, it was crystal clear to me.

(Sigh) One more try. If a Muslim wanted "you" to convert to Islam, wouldn't it be better for them to follow the examples of Jesus Christ, Mahatma Gandhi, and Dr. Martin Luther King on using non-violence to convert you?

You are not asking them whether or not you should convert. They approach you with their gun or their argument.

If they approach me in peace and dialog, I may listen and hear what they have to say.

If they approach me with a gun, I don't want to listen, I will try to kill them before they kill me.

As I poster earlier, bad pe... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

As I poster earlier, bad people will NEVER go away. But just because we will never stop ALL drunk drivers, doesn't mean that we should give up. Now the Democrats can answer my questions.

Jumpinjoe,I don't ... (Below threshold)
John:

Jumpinjoe,

I don't know what neighborhood you live in, but that hardly ever happens to me.

(I have far more mormons and Jehova's stop by, allways around dinner time.)

I did answer your question. I think we both agree that a compeling argument is better than a gun for changing someones mind.

So why do we use bombs and guns to fight people. Wouldn't kindness and bread, and clean water be better?

When we talk about American values, aren't we really talking about safety, and prosperity and freedom? Not Pax American at the end of a gun barrel? Or bomb craters full of your relatives body parts? Or destruction of your infrastructure?

And that brings us right back to Oyster's question... Will you answer?

"At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?"

John

Clinton tried being nice yo... (Below threshold)
Bob:

Clinton tried being nice you moron.

theExecutioner,So ... (Below threshold)
John:

theExecutioner,

So Iraq will never be terrroist free. And the world will never be terrroist free. And the "great" global war on terror will NEVER end. We'll never get our liberties back. We'll never stop hemoraging money. We'll allways be on war footing and forever and ever, people like Bush and Cheney will use this as an excuse to sow fear, profit from chaos, and manipulate the American people.

This my friend has a name. It's called Fascism.

Damn, where are the American patriots?

John

So why do we use b... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
So why do we use bombs and guns to fight people. Wouldn't kindness and bread, and clean water be better

Groovy concept. I dig it.

Now it's your turn to delivery your compelling argument on how this groovy plan is going to work on fanatics.

Waiting on the edge of my seat...........

Did I say that the costs we... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Did I say that the costs were going to continue at the same rate? Get a life. Open your eyes. Answer me.

Do we stop going after drunk drivers and Nazi's?

Bob,Both Osama and... (Below threshold)
John:

Bob,

Both Osama and Saddam were to some extent creations of previous administrations.

Remember that famous picture of Saddam and Rumsfeld arm in arm, buddy buddy.

The Clinton administration warned the Bush administration about Osama, but the worst terrroist attack on the continent occured with Bush in charge, oblivious.

John

You jackal's will NEVER ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You jackal's will NEVER learn from history. There are not TWO ways to stop terrorism, only ONE.

What is the one way to stop terrorism, exactly? And please point to at least one place where terrorism was stopped using this method (and tell the Israelis while you're at it, they've been dealing with terrorism for a long time).

Bob, stop looking through t... (Below threshold)
Bob:

Bob, stop looking through those rose-tinted glasses. Just who were our enemies at the time?

Joe,If you feed pe... (Below threshold)
John:

Joe,

If you feed people, their relatives will thank you.

If you kill people, their relatives will hate you.

One of the reasons the US has (had) so much prestige in the world is because after the WWII, we lifted Germany, Europe, and Japan out of their post war chaos without demanding war reperations.

Our kindness gained us prestige, and long lasting allies.

Scott Ritter, the lead IAEA inspector in Iraq advocated a Marshall plan, which I think would have been a much better solution than the military option.

I really don't have the time to teach you all the history, especialy since you don't seem interested. Use "The Google" to search "The Internets".

John

mantis, thank you for your ... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

mantis, thank you for your accurate clarification. It cannot be "stopped", but the only way to reduce it to a minimum (eg. Nazism) is to penalize the offenders (as we did in WWII). Drunk driving is reduced because we enforce the law. The same is true of terrorism.

"If you feed people, their ... (Below threshold)
Bob:

"If you feed people, their relatives will thank you."

Oh, Really?

Then 9/11 never happened?

But while I always hear ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

But while I always hear about "killing terrorists only makes more terrorists," I haven't seen too much evidence of it.

How many terrorists were in Iraq before we were? How many are there now?

No answer John?... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

No answer John?

You jackal's will NEVER ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You jackal's will NEVER learn from history. There are not TWO ways to stop terrorism, only ONE.

Ah, this must be the same method England used to have the IRA stand down.

"How many terrorists were i... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

"How many terrorists were in Iraq before we were? How many are there now?"

There are less in the world than before. Are you people terrorists? Why do I even waste my time with your idioticy?

Bob,9-11 happened ... (Below threshold)
John:

Bob,

9-11 happened in large part because the US set up military bases in Saudia Arabia during the first gulf war.

Osama Been Forgotten, went off his nut because he considered those areas sacred holy land. He wanted those bases removed, which we would not do. Interesting side note... Since 9-11 we did do exactly that, and those bases are now gone.

Osama in many parts of the world is a hero, because he's used his money to feed people (in addition to terrroism).

We hate Osama becaue he killed our "relatives".

So, yes... If you feed people, their relatives will thank you. If you kill people their relatives will hate you.

Bob, don't be slow or pretend to not get the point. If I come over to your house with a fruit basket, or if I came over and murdered the first random person to answer your door, don't you think you'd feel different about me?

John

Brian, you refuse to answer... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Brian, you refuse to answer my question, because you cannot without looking like a moron.

One of the reasons... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
One of the reasons the US has (had) so much prestige in the world is because after the WWII, we lifted Germany, Europe, and Japan out of their post war chaos without demanding war reperations

John, there is one flaw with your reasoning. Before we got those groovy vibes and world prestige after WW2 we had gone and already kicked the living hell out those people.

Don't think for a moment that myself or conservatives in general wouldn't lift those we defeat back up to become functioning members of the world community.

Seriously, I think you hit the point of grasping at straws.

John, your slip is showing.... (Below threshold)
Bob:

John, your slip is showing.

The one way is to kill them... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

The one way is to kill them all. Pretty simple and permanent in my book.

The liberal pussies would rather stick their heads in the sand and hope they would go away. Instead they won't even get a reach around before their heads are cut off.

"There are less in the w... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"There are less in the world than before."

There are less active, terrorists now than before we went into Iraq? Americans know better than to listen to crap like that any longer. You people are seriously deluded (i.e. morons) or else you know the truth and just lie to further the gains of your own corrupt and lying political party.

Either way, as Americans -- you're useless.

Jeff, I really believe that... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Jeff, I really believe that most of the people in here are terrorists that think they can brainwash ignorant posters. They cannot possibly be Americans.

theExecutioner,Act... (Below threshold)
John:

theExecutioner,

Actualy, there are MORE terrorists in the world. That's the consensus of the 16 federal agencies in their report last month.

It's also evident in the number of terrorist attacks over the last few years globaly, or even the monthly death count in Iraq.

Really no point in having this discussion with you, unless you want to accept the facts.

To answer your question, there is no "war on terror" anymore than their is a war on poverty, or a war on hunger, or a war on drugs.

Anytime someone has to tell you 5 times a day that you're at war - you're not at war.

Look out the window, and stop being a tool. Do you see a war out there?

There is an occupation, and there is a police action.

The "war on terror" needs to be handled by the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, local and state police. Terrorism is a crime. You can't bomb people at random to stamp out terrorism anymore than you can bomb drunk drivers into submission.

John

Lee, I have no political af... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Lee, I have no political affiliation. You, on the other hand, have no common sense. Todays Democrats would have believed that we could have stopped Hitler by being nice too.

To stop drunk driver... (Below threshold)
suhnami:


To stop drunk drivers enforce tough laws and bust as many as you can. Amazingly, it is one of the real things that righties and lefties agree on. Tough, stiff, painful penalties if you choose to be an idiot and do it. However, it's impossible to be there for every violation, but we agree that pursuing them and busting them reduces the number. What we don't do is spend tons of money and resources busting people who knew a drunk driver, possible knew a drunk driver, possibly thought about knowing a drunk driver, or who commended someone who drove drunk driver, or who had alcohol at home and was undoubtedly going to drive drunk, so we pre-emptively strike them.

I would have been happy still pursuing Osama, instead of going after Iraq, whom Bush admitted in a press meeting had NOTHING to do with 9/11. (On august 21,206). I guess on this site I'll be painted a liberal, but that's not the case. I am just terribly displeased with how we got to where we are.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering, 2nd in command of the Third Reich at the Nuremberg trials

Ah, this must be the sam... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Ah, this must be the same method England used to have the IRA stand down.

Nice flip remark, but comparing the IRA to the Islamofascist movement is diseneguous.

First and foremost, the IRA leader Sein Finn, at least proposed a truce and talks; the Islamofascists have made no such approaches.

Second. even if negotiations were proposed what exactly would they require of us? Getting out of SA? Already did that? Stop support of Israel? Ain't gonna happen. Let Iran have nukes? Not going to happen. Leave the ME entirely, oil companies and all? Not gonna happen. Allow Israel to be "wiped off " the map? Definitely not gonna happen. So, if and when and until the Islamofacists find a leeader who can reasonable and negotiate within reason and reality, the terrorist will continue to die or be captured.

If you believe that John, t... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

If you believe that John, then you should surrender. Go now! I'll be watching you on the terrorist evening news with Wolf Blitzer when at CNN films your head rolling across the floor.

"Of course the people don't... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

"Of course the people don't want war."

The terrorists do.

Judt want you to know that ... (Below threshold)

Judt want you to know that oyster above (lower case "o") wasn't me.

To answer your que... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
To answer your question, there is no "war on terror" anymore than their is a war on poverty, or a war on hunger, or a war on drugs

That was convincing. Especially the in depth explanation on "why".

NOT!!!!!!!!

When are you Democrats goin... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

When are you Democrats going to surrender to the terrorists and show them that you are full of love?

Brian, you refuse to ans... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian, you refuse to answer my question, because you cannot without looking like a moron.

You didn't ask me a question, nut-tard.

You Democrats running scare... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

You Democrats running scared with your tail between your legs again?

The question, Brian, was "H... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

The question, Brian, was "How do you stop terrorism?"

"Todays Democrats would hav... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

"Todays Democrats would have believed that we could have stopped Hitler by being nice too."

Playing the 'what if' 'coulda shoulda woulda' game?! That's fun and sooooo fact based!!!

I wanna play too!
Today's administration (I won't say Republicans because not all Republicans don't think that way) would have stopped Hitler by invading Ireland.

You shouldn't get drunk so ... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

You shouldn't get drunk so early in the day. We invaded a territory of terrorists in afghanistan and iraq. We may be going into iran next. Hopefully not, but what's right is right. Your analogy is so flawed that it sounds as if it came right out of Kerry's mouth.

Are you suggesting suhnami ... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Are you suggesting suhnami that there were no terrorists in Iraq? Do some research next time so you don't embarress yourself.

I can't wait till the 60's ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

I can't wait till the 60's hippies die of liver disease or a drug overdose. Their leftist pacifist bullsh*t makes me sick. They are beyond help even when the next muslim terrorist hijacks a plane of NYT reporters chartered to go to a war protest in San Francisco and it crashes killing thousands of liberals, leftists, communists and gay activists, they will still ask "Why do they hate us?"

Bunch of stupid idiots.

theExecutioner proves once ... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

theExecutioner proves once again that the Democrats have NO ANSWER on how to stop terrorism (except to surrender).

theExecutioner - Surrenderi... (Below threshold)
Bob:

theExecutioner - Surrendering will not stop terrorism.

I have a plan. But it's a <... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I have a plan. But it's a secret plan. If I tell you, you will blow it.

Thanks to Brian, it is prov... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Thanks to Brian, it is proven once again that the Democrats have NO ANSWER on how to stop terrorism.

lol. This thread is funny.... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

lol. This thread is funny.

Jeff is a real American to wish for the death of other Americans who don't share his views, but wants to live in a free country where people can think freely.

theExecutioner refers to himself in the third person. "Jimmy is pretty sweet on Elaine!"

I never once mentioned cut and run and that Iraq had no terrorists pre-invasion. I'm sure every country in the world does. Should we invade them too?

While the Suhnami didn't agree with the War in Iraq, I do think the terrorism is a threat and needs to be dealt with, but would have preferred to find Osama since he is the one who actually attacked us. Again, Our President even said Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. NOTHING. From his mouth, not a filter, so I'll go by that.


Since we're there and we're not leaving for a while, one suggestion to help is how about better supplying our troops with top of the line stuff, and including some spare tires so we don't have to ditch trucks on the side of the road because we can't replace flats. Since our debt is balooning like the waistline of the majority of people in this country, it might help to be more resourceful.

Those are just a couple of suggestions from the Suhnami. I respect all of your opinions and respect where you stand. I'm hoping you respect mine, but I think Jeff wants me dead. I'm actually a pretty cool person. At least that's what the Suhnami told me.

theExecutioner refers to hi... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

theExecutioner refers to himself in the third person. "Jimmy is pretty sweet on Elaine!" -suhnami

???? I told you not to get drunk so early in the day.

It's a Seinfeld reference. ... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

It's a Seinfeld reference. You didn't see the episode. Probably better that way.

Never watch Seinfeld. Not ... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Never watch Seinfeld. Not funny.

John,9-11 happe... (Below threshold)
Sputnik:

John,

9-11 happened in large part because the US set up military bases in Saudia Arabia during the first gulf war.

This is the type of argument that will get us all killed. 9-11 happened for one reason and one reason only: There are those who think that the Koran teaches they should kill everyone who does not believe as they do. Does the Koran teach that? I have no idea and it really doesn't matter because they believe it. They will attack and kill as many of us as they can and our only hope is to kill them first. Currently, Iraq is the most target-rich environment and that's where we should be fighting them. If you really think they will stop trying to kill us even if we were to pull all of our bases out of the middle east, then you are in serious denial. People who think like you do risk putting my family in danger and I resent that.

There are less [terroris... (Below threshold)
Brian:

There are less [terrorists] in the world than before.
...
I really believe that most of the people in here are terrorists that think they can brainwash ignorant posters.
...
Are you suggesting suhnami that there were no terrorists in Iraq? Do some research next time so you don't embarress yourself.
...
Never watch Seinfeld. Not funny.

Four statements that make it impossible to take you seriously. You're clearly just a troll.

I never once mentioned c... (Below threshold)

I never once mentioned cut and run and that Iraq had no terrorists pre-invasion. I'm sure every country in the world does. Should we invade them too?

While I'm glad that you understand that there were indeed terrorists in Iraq, and it's unquestionable that there are in other countries, not all of them have governments which sponsor terrorists supplying them with their own training camps and give money to their families after they blow themselves up?

We've invaded two of them. Another one then gave up their nuclear ambitions and another pulled out of the country they had been occupying and ruling for years.

and Brian can't answer the ... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

and Brian can't answer the simple question either. The Democrats have no answer except to surrender.

The last President of the U... (Below threshold)
Robert:

The last President of the U.S. to "cut and run" was a man named George W. Bush, who "cut and ran" from Afghanistan.

Jeff at 5:47 PM,hi... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Jeff at 5:47 PM,

hippies, leftist pacifists, liberals, leftists, communists and gay activists.

Those are such funny names you have for those who marched against the Iraq War.

Here's a couple more:
100% Correct
Prescient

It's amazing how incredibly correct they were, but don't let it bother you.
They probably had the advantage of being educated (being so elite and all).

Sputnik,You stated... (Below threshold)
John:

Sputnik,

You stated;

"9-11 happened for one reason and one reason only: There are those who think that the Koran teaches they should kill everyone who does not believe as they do."

Well, no.... That's not really what it says, and Jews, Muslims and Christians have long histories of living side by side. I don't know who got you all wound up man, but your average muslim does not want to kill everybody else. I take it you don't know any. I also assume you don't have a passport, and have never bothered to travel the world (and I don't mean taking a booze cruise in Mexico).

You then state that;

"I have no idea and it really doesn't matter because they believe it. They will attack and kill as many of us as they can and our only hope is to kill them first."

Jesus, dude.... Do you know how sick and paranoid that sounds? You're talking about a Billion muslems around the world. A BILLION people. I try to be nice, but really... What the fuck is wrong inside your head? Do you see the world as a harsh place with people coming to get you? That's sick. That's mentaly ill. Are you seeing anybody for this?

You go on to say that;

"Currently, Iraq is the most target-rich environment and that's where we should be fighting them."

Them? Them who? Evil people trying to get you? Women and children and old people trying to get you at night, to steal your freedom. Trying to come here, so you've got to get them over there?

Dude, THEM is not even the same people that pulled off 9-11. They had absolutly nothing to do with it.

Finaly, you say;

"People who think like you do risk putting my family in danger and I resent that."

No. You are putting your own family in danger. In fact, you are putting my family in danger.

I don't think that your stated goal of "Killing as many of them as you can" first, is really making my life safer.

I'm hardly this harsh with posters, but you are a sick individual, and I hope you get help.

John

The last President... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
The last President of the U.S. to "cut and run" was a man named George W. Bush, who "cut and ran" from Afghanistan"

You just went and made that up. Those deep profound thoughts you think you are having while inebriated on "happy weed" only seem deep and profound to you.

Trust me on this.

Really......

"As the people of Texas ar... (Below threshold)

"As the people of Texas are fond of saying, "some folks just need killing.'"

Yeah, like mentally retarded people, and women, and minors. Yep, you gotta love those Texans Jay, they just exemplify our republican values.

wwjd huh Jay? Onward christian soldiers marching on to war with the cross of jesus..... -

"At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?"

When we nuke them and their families John. It's the only way. I would like to suggest a sort of genocide against all those pesky Muslims. I mean, how can we tell the good ones from the bad ones? There are billions of them, at least it would help ease the world food shortage problem. I say nuke em all; like a giant micro wave oven! Texas style justice, just like Jay likes.

That will teach them to fly planes into our buildings!

No jumpinjoe, I didn't make... (Below threshold)
Robert:

No jumpinjoe, I didn't make that up.
Bushboy bailed from Afghanistan.

Just because you're too young to remember it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

That will teach th... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
That will teach them to fly planes into our buildings

Well so far from any thread here tonight, the only plan any one of the left wing persuasion has articulated has been to hand radical jihad terrorists care packages. That's just step one. Step two is they group hug with us.

It's a beautiful thing man (sniff) just beautiful.

No jumpinjoe, I di... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
No jumpinjoe, I didn't make that up. Bushboy bailed from Afghanistan

Oh master, I am your grasshopper, please enlighten me.

I disagree with Jumpinjoe. ... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

I disagree with Jumpinjoe. I don't believe Robert is drunk at all, just insane. Well, maybe insane AND drunk.

So, today's big question is... (Below threshold)
John:

So, today's big question is...

"At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?"

If Democrats want to lose, and only Republicans want to win, then...

When do you Republicans expect to win?

John

and Brian can't answer t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

and Brian can't answer the simple question either.

Oh, brother. The "simple" question of how to achieve world peace. That's what you claim is the Republican view? "Just bomb them... it's simple!"

Well, your "simple" plan isn't working.

Thanks to Brian, it is proven once again that the Democrats have NO ANSWER on how to stop terrorism.

OK, here's a plan... GO AFTER THE TERRORISTS!

As the president explained in his Naval Academy speech, Al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorists comprise the smallest of the three groups that make up the current insurgency. There is strong evidence that the other larger insurgent groups - Sunni Arab rejectionists, and pro-Saddam loyalists - would turn against the small number of foreign fighters currently waging the most deadly terrorist attacks. An Iraqi insurgent leader, Abu Qaqa al-Tamimi, recently told Time magazine: "One day, when the Americans have gone, we will need to fight another war, against these jihadis."
"When do you Republicans ex... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

"When do you Republicans expect to win?"

A WHOLE LOT sooner than if we surrender.

"OK, here's a plan... GO AF... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

"OK, here's a plan... GO AFTER THE TERRORISTS!"

BINGO! I'm glad you're on board.

Well, maybe insane... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Well, maybe insane AND drunk

The washed up comedians that make up the ensemble on air America and spoon feed lefties the party line told Robert he was smarter than the President.

Robert, after receiving his condescending pat on the head actually believed them.

Now, for some strange reason I almost feel sorry for him. Maybe it's the compassionate conservative coming out in me.

>"When do you Republican... (Below threshold)
Brian:

>"When do you Republicans expect to win?"
A WHOLE LOT sooner than if we surrender.

Thanks to theExecutioner, it is proven once again that the Republicans have NO ANSWER on how to win.

C'mon, theExec... it's a "simple" question.

"When do you Republicans expect to win?"

Or do you refuse to answer the question because you cannot without looking like a moron?

BINGO! I'm glad you're o... (Below threshold)
Brian:

BINGO! I'm glad you're on board.

I was from day one. Let me know when Bush starts going after terrorists.

"Let me know when Bush star... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

"Let me know when Bush starts going after terrorists."

You mean the suicide bombers in Iraq are NOT terrorists? Oh my, enlighten me please. LOL

John,That's not... (Below threshold)
Sputnik:

John,

That's not really what it says

I didn't say it did. I said there are those who think it does...I also state later that I don't know if it says that or not. My point is not that that the Koran tells believers to kill the infidel, only that some of them believe that it does. Is this not true?

I don't know who got you all wound up man, but your average muslim does not want to kill everybody else.

I agree with you here. Maybe I thought I was being more clear than I was when I said "there are those who believe...". I'm specifically talking about the Muslims who do believe that this is what the Koran says.

You're talking about a Billion muslems around the world.

No, I don't believe I am. See above comments.

Do you see the world as a harsh place with people coming to get you?

The world? No. Muslim Extremists? Yes. Me personally? No.

Them? Them who? Evil people trying to get you? Women and children and old people trying to get you at night, to steal your freedom.

Them? Again Muslim Extremists. Not women, children & old people - the terrorists that are currently being fought in Iraq. The ones who have have been known to kidnap, torture, and behead. The ones who lay roadside bombs.

Dude, THEM is not even the same people that pulled off 9-11. They had absolutly nothing to do with it.

Wrong. They are exactly the same people. The same individuals? No. The same ideology? Yes.

"I don't think that your stated goal of "Killing as many of them as you can" first, is really making my life safer."

Hopefully, you can maybe now see how this goal can make your life safer when you realize that I am talking about the extremists who what to kill us - not muslims in general.

"...you are a sick individual"
While I did say that I resent that people who think like you risk putting my family in danger, I did not resort to name-calling. I have just gotten very tired of hearing how it's all our fault. If only we hadn't done this or that they wouldn't hate us so much. I don't believe it. The extremists I referred to hate us because we are not like them and nothing we can do except possibly converting to Islam will ever change that.

Let me know when B... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Let me know when Bush starts going after terrorists

Robert, I'm waiting for you to splain this Afghanistan "cut and run" thing. My sympathy for your simpleton nature is growing thin if you don't get crack'in (Not with your pipe) on the answer.

Dazzle us.

What if I say please?

Democrats sure are quick to... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

Democrats sure are quick to run and hide when asked a simple question.

Can you perform a retroacti... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Can you perform a retroactive abortion? If so there are a few commenters on here and we can locate about 500 candidiates among the dimwit candidiates that it should be performed on tomorrow. As the say in Texas, some people just deserve to die. Maybe the next terrorists attack will get it right. Democratic caucus in congress is a good target.

Democrats new prayer: Lord, please let someone perform a BJ on Bush so we can impeach him if he lies about it under oath and in front of millions of Americans. Amen --AlLa Slick Willie
Stolen from somewhere.

Sccrapiron, it's the asylum... (Below threshold)

Sccrapiron, it's the asylum for you on line two. They want to know how you escaped again!

You mean the suicide bom... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You mean the suicide bombers in Iraq are NOT terrorists? Oh my, enlighten me please. LOL

No, they're not terrorists that will follow us home and attack us here. Consider yourself enlightened. LOL right back at ya.

"You mean the suicide bombe... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

"You mean the suicide bombers in Iraq are NOT terrorists? Oh my, enlighten me please. LOL

No, they're not terrorists that will follow us home and attack us here. Consider yourself enlightened. LOL right back at ya.
Posted by: Brian at November 6, 2006 10:23 PM"

PROOF that the Dems are INSANE! ROFL

theExecutioner is sure quic... (Below threshold)
Brian:

theExecutioner is sure quick to run and hide when asked a simple question.

"When do you Republicans expect to win?"

Or do you refuse to answer the question because you cannot without looking like a moron?

PROOF that the Dems are ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

PROOF that the Dems are INSANE! ROFL

No, just proof that Repubs either can't or won't read.

Or that they won't believe something even when Bush says it from his own lips.

Or they just make sh*t up.

Or maybe it's just you.

Suggestion. Get rid of all ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Suggestion. Get rid of all liberals first then the terrorist will be easy as we will not have to play pattycake with them before we sent them to meet their whores-er virgins.

Do-It-Yourself Impeachment,... (Below threshold)
Jodin:

Do-It-Yourself Impeachment, no joke.
The Citizens' movement.

The day the nation demands impeachment is upon us. Sacks and sacks of mail are arriving in congress demanding impeachment via the House of Representative's own rules. This legal document is as binding as if a State or if the House itself passed the impeachment resolution (H.R. 635).

There's a little known and rarely used clause of the "Jefferson Manual" in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.

That's where we come in. In addition to the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org, part of the movement to impeach the president, has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.

STOP WAITING FOR YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO ACT FOR YOU.

You can initiate the impeachment process yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information in the blanks (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in. Be a part of history.

http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html

Its a maze ing how a thread... (Below threshold)
epador:

Its a maze ing how a thread can be hijacked and wander. Kinda like a game of telephone.

"One of the reasons the US ... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

"One of the reasons the US has (had) so much prestige in the world is because after the WWII, we lifted Germany, Europe, and Japan out of their post war chaos without demanding war reparations."

"Our kindness gained us prestige, and long lasting allies."
Ya that and the mushroom clouds left over Japan......

Please, we/USA are still in the seek a destroy phase of dealing with (RADICAL) MUSLIMS. No talk of lifting ANYONE out of their post war chaos just yet.

After Osama is taking a dirt nap, and his chicken sh&t followers are all hiding in caves, maybe we can convey to (normal) Muslims it is in EVERYONES interest to start addressing the (radical) Muslim brain malfunction, and stop it at the source.

That's where John and Lee can start sending the gift basket solution....

I answered you Brian. Can't... (Below threshold)
theExecutioner:

I answered you Brian. Can't you read English? Repeating lies doesn't make you right.

I told you that the answer is LONG BEFORE WE WIN BY SURRENDERING you pathetic vomit of scum.

The Dems think if we cut and run that the terrorists won't follow us back to the US. They believe that surrendering will win the war. Don't ask me how they come to that conclusion, ask THEM!

John commented:=====... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

John commented:
==============================
At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?

I'd like to know that as well. For that matter, we have a billion muslems in the world. At what rate, and how many will we need to kill before we can be terrroist free?

==============================


You do realize that in this statement you've essentially painted every Muslim as a terrorist. If the statement had been made by a conservative, you and your pals would be crying 'racism'. Of course, I'd then have to point out that being Muslim isn't dependent on ones race. At which point, Hugh or someone like him would begin with personal attacks. (Note: I fairly sure that this exact sequence of events has occured here before).

The Dems think if we cut... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The Dems think if we cut and run that the terrorists won't follow us back to the US.... Don't ask me how they come to that conclusion, ask THEM!

I'm glad you asked. I heard it from Bush and the Pentagon. (The factual reports, not the empty rhetoric.) If you disagree, take it up with them.

What reports have you read that show that the terrorists will follow us home? The ones in Iraq, that is. Not the ones that are waiting it out in luxury in Afghanistan.




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