It says the cowboy in the White House is now riding a Shetland pony and packing a water pistol, and is a lot less likely to drag us into a war based on lies and deceit.

Yes Kim.

The UN is evil. The BBC and the NYT and the AP are all evil. The people of America are all fools and stupid. They don't know who to vote for. The British and the French are mentally disabled. The Muslims are terrorists. Phones need to be tapped. Sex offenders are not evil. Employment is not important.
Santa Claus is a terrorists. Why else would he have a beard?

The world agrees with you. Happy?

It means that I was right all along. The terrorists WANTED their supporters (democrats) to win and now they're dancing in the streets.

Brother Lee, would you like to join Muslim Unity and write with us? We like having fellow humans of al religions spreading the truth and peace instead of hate and war.

To some of the people here their own country men and woman are terrorists. Some of them are so anti-women and against equality that they have questioned the right of a woman to be a speaker. It is very sad to see such ignorant people.

In searching for a new news source, i want to know what TV media is not liberal. In America it seems FOX is the only one. What about overseas?

You republitards are pathetic. YOU LOST - GET OVER IT!!!!

Oh. by the way - the Montana senate seat just went to the Democrats. Hahahahahaha

And you're going to lose the Virginia senate seat too.

We're driving the bus now, and that's just the way it goes.

Bye bye.

Yes, Lee.

You would fit right in with Muslim Unity.

"We're driving the bus now, and that's just the way it goes."

Yep, right over the cliff.

As I said on another thread, don't come crying to me when the terrorists blow up your house and family or set off a dirty bomb in your town.

Just let these words echo through that thick, empty skull when your skin has evaporated off your body - "I told you so".

maggysturn,

Very magnanimous of you.

Since you Dems are "driving the bus" now, how about you try to behave like its not the short bus, hmmm?

Lee said: drag us into a war based on lies and deceit

C'mon Lee. . . I dare you to click.

The Executioner- first of all please learn to respect and speak with dignity to a fellow sister.
The terrists you talk about ttacked America only after Bush came into power. Remember?
The entire mess all over the world has taken place on after YOUR Bush became the president.

The 300 billion dollars pent on killing people all over the world could have been used to improve security within your country. Couldn't it?

And please speak like a rational human being instead of abusing people. We are not barbarians or cowboys.

based on lies and deceit.

hmmmm....Lies and deceit....

L...E...E

The terrists you talk about ttacked America only after Bush came into power. Remember?

Obviously you were born in 2001 (at least you spell like you were) or have selectively forgotten all of the other terrorists attacks...

RUMSFELD STEPS DOWN!!!!!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6130296.stm

The UN should have absolutely NO comment on the strictly internal elections of ANY member state, other than to say whether or not they believe the elections were held fairly.

Of course, this presumes the United Nations has any credibility on fair elections...

J.

Well, Lee you fucking idiot. It is a sure thing that when the terrorists are here, they will not be riding ponies nor will they be using water pistols on you and your family. As you lie wounded and dying, I wonder who you will blame. I suggest that you look in the mirror, you know, the one you use to do your favorite controlled substance, and see the one to blame. You, idiot.

Republicans.... to the back of the bus please..

Make room back there!!!

New Drivers Needed: Please apply at the Whitehouse

The folks at the UN, some of the most corrupt people on the face of the earth

High praise -- coming from the most corrupt people on earth. The pot calling the kettle a rusty son of a bitch.

Cheering? If it wasn't for the fact that this fatuous comment is par for the course at Wizbang, I'd say your shock over the election results had temporarily paralyzed your brain.

The fact that you seem to agree that the BBC, AP and NYT are left-wing shows just how far to the extreme right you are. To most of us outside the United States, the AP and NYT are *right wing*.

This wouldn't matter to the rest of the world if your country didn't have military bases in virtually all of our countries and you didn't threaten to bomb us, invade us or overthrow our governments every time we did something within our own borders you don't like. You can be as far-right as you like. We wouldn't care if you'd just leave us alone.

It says the cowboy in the White House is now riding a Shetland pony and packing a water pistol, and is a lot less likely to drag us into a war based on lies and deceit.

Amen. You people launch an attack on Iran now, and you will never see the light of day.

Quantumfizz thank you for the good news. It seems the Republicans will now plan 'fake' terrorist attacks. They sound very eager to scare people into voting for them. Each one of them here is warning about terrorist attacks. How do they know all this, if they weren't the ones planning it all? Also notice how they try to ignore all major facts by drifting into senseless abusive language. Let us pray for peace and hope these people don't do anything.

"The terrists you talk about ttacked America only after Bush came into power. Remember?"

ROFL - Bush has been President for 15 years?

THANK YOU for my laugh of the day! And thank that librarian at your school for letting you use the computer.

"High praise -- coming from the most corrupt people on earth. The pot calling the kettle a rusty son of a bitch."

True. Cleaning up the corruption is important - from both sides of the aisle. Now that an election doesn't hang in the balance maybe conservatives will be interested in getting their part of the house and Senate in order. Better now than a year from now, when the election is approaching....

"How do they know all this, if they weren't the ones planning it all?"

Yeah, and I'm planning for the sun to come up tomorrow morning too. Just watch how I do it!

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's in the road ahead.

You think it is easier to protect a country by bombing innocent people and making the world hate you more? More and more people end up hating America because of people like you and Bush. However I am glad that America spoke against the war.

It is easier to protect a country when you don't have enemies in all corners of the world. It is easier if more money is spent to increase the defence within the country than bomb other countries and fight wars which make no sense.

None of us want terrorist attacks- and we need to do something by reducing hate and increasing the defense. Not by increasing hate and killing innocent people.

"Not by increasing hate and killing innocent people." You must be talking about Vince Foster.

Muslim, are you a terrorist thinking that you can make me forget about all the terror attacks before 9-11 when Clinton did NOTHING but love them and not bomb them?

Well, you can't.

So WHY did 9-11 happen? HUH?

"pucker puss" (lee lee)--that old pony amd water pistol carries a big wallop---get ready now to pucker some more--it is called VETO!!!!!

"muslim" unity--better be careful using that monicker to someone's face while spewing your crap.

astiga"fag"--you are a fu^&king traitor to the USA.

Gee, what a surprise that the people in the UN detest Bush just as much as the American people do.

It's pretty safe to say that Bush is loathed universally and that people all over the world are celebrating today. This is the beginning of the end of the most disastrous Presidency in our nation's history. Bush and Cheney should both just resign and put themselves out of our misery.

Lee, Cat, Astigafa, and the majority of human race.
We here are trying to bring unity and peace, while most of them use just foul words and insults.

Anybody who does not support the killing of innocent young soldiers and children is a traitor?
All the more reason not to support is Bush, is his plan to attack Iran. If they had it their way they would turn America into a barbaric nation of attackers. Glad nothing of that sort will happen.

Executioner's got a point, Muslim. The terrorists just want us dead, period, unless we convert. That's not going to happen. Love and tolerance isn't going to stop terrorists. Real life doesn't work that way.

MuslimUnity:

We here are trying to bring unity and peace,

Curiously, you seem to always refer to 'peace' but never mention freedom. Peace without freedom is worthless.

Bush and Cheney better not resign. President Pelosi? You think we're screwed now!

Terrorists end up killing people of all religions. Even if you convert to a religion which they want you to- you would still be at threat. The best way is to increase security and make people fel safe. Prevent people from becoming potential terrorist by not wiping out their families and making them homeless.

You think people in Iraq feel free now Mike? Freedom and Peace are linked. Iraq will never have peace until they are truly free.

"Anybody who does not support the killing of innocent young soldiers and children is a traitor?"

Then let's not have policemen either because they are innocent.

"If they had it their way they would turn America into a barbaric nation of attackers."

Wrong again. We went TO the terrorists to PROTECT innocent people - both THERE AND HERE.

You haven't answered my previous question. How come? Are you going to cut and run like the rest of your liberal friends do when they can't answer my easy questions?

I look forward to the day Muslim Unity becomes a good Muslim...

Why did 9/11 happen? You need to ask that to people who were supposed to be in charge of security in America. It is a very sad thing which took place- but look within and you will find the answers.

_Mike_

Thank You. I should have caught that too. There is no peace without freedom.

Muslim sounds like a hippie right out of the 60's. The "Me, me, me generation".

Muslim Unity

Unfortunately, Republicans and Democrats alike have bombed us, invaded us and overthrown our democratically elected governments for the last half a century. The idiotic debates that take place in the United States, with one bunch of partisan hacks blaming another group of virtually identical ignoramuses for 9-11 ensures that most of America remains unaware of why that horrible crime happened. The evil *****s who flew those planes in 2001, and those who backed them might have been the most immediately responsible. But it was all of you in America who allowed your governments - Democrat or Republican - to kill our people who gave the terrorists their excuse.

Like I said, America, do what you want in your own country but leave us alone.

cat,

And what country would that be, exactly?

Cat,

Since ages they have been the agressors. But now many American people are speaking up. They want all of this to stop. When they travel abroad they have noticed how the world views America because of it's wrong policies. Today no longer does the world need to bow down to America due to the rise of new superpowers.

As more and more people in America stand up for what is correct, things will change. They will need to make their government do what is correct and ethical.

"Why did 9/11 happen? You need to ask that to people who were supposed to be in charge of security in America. It is a very sad thing which took place- but look within and you will find the answers.
Posted by: Muslim Unity"

Wow. Where do I start? What a waste of my time. This is like teaching a first grader. Ok, here goes:

1) NOW you're saying it's OUR FAULT BECAUSE THE TERRORISTS BOMBED US? Get real.

2) The people "in charge" were worried about spotted owls, hanging chads, and everything else under the sun EXCEPT WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AS REQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION!

3) "A very sad thing"? THAT is ALL YOU CAN SAY ABOUT INNOCENT CHILDREN, WOMEN, AND MEN BEING MURDERED???? It's a WAR NOW and WE DIDN'T START IT.

4) "look within"? We were before 9-11 AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED!!

5) "you will find the answers." I did. You're a fruitcake.

That's right cat...ultimately it was our fault. Just like when a women gets raped it ultimately her fault for enticing the man to want to rape her right?

NOW the truth comes out. People like "cat" are NOT AMERICANS but are only here to brainwash the gullible half-wit democrats to vote for and support the terrorists. Nancy Pelosi being one of them.

Hey, Muslim Unity.

I'll pray for peace with you, (or with anybody that cares for peace).

This is a very difficult place to try to make a point, but there are a number of us here that appreciate your efforts.

Please don't allow your faith in humanity to be damaged here. Please don't stop trying to educate. Please don't stop trying to reach out.

You've got the right idea. Hate makes more hate. Love makes more love. Feeding people is more effective than killing them.

I'll pray with you. I'm on pacific time. Pick a time and let me know when.

I will pray that we can let go of feelings that arise from selfish desires so that we can open our hearts to one another.

I will pray that we can be compassionate with one another.

I will pray that we can refrain from speaking harshly or deceptively to each other and about one another to others.

I will pray that we will practice peaceful and ethical occupations and will support each other in our work.

I will pray that we will always be mindful of each other, and that we will see each other clearly.

I will pray that we will allways encourage each other to walk the path to enlightenment together

John

Shaky Boots

Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, Chile, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan (pre-Soviet invasion), Angola, Mozambique just to name but a few.

Brother John,

I am happy you agree with me. If you read my blog you will know how we don't hate anybody. The way we are made to sound here is what all of us want to change. We don't support terror or killing of innocent people. Please visit our family blog and their you could e-mail me. Here due to so much hate, we will not be able to discuss things freely.

Let their be peace and love on earth. May God/Allah/Buddha/Moses and whoever you belive in bless you all.!

John, You can do all the praying you want. Good luck. I was praying when they bombed us. It didn't do any good.

What? No answer Muslim?

Muslim Unity,

Yes, peace is priceless!

Thank you. I have joined.

John

Uh...Muslim Unity?

The 60's called....they want you back.

Once again, Muslim, just like Lee and the rest cannot answer a simple question. Why, because they're traitors themselves - supporting and aiding the enemy.

Muslim Unity

The fact that total American hegemony has been challenged by the rise of other powers is one thing. But to say that Americans are becoming more humane is quite another. There has always been a majority of Americans whose instincts preferred peace over war. But corporate American media have always been able to reverse those instincts by stirring up fears about non-existent threats - like an invasion from those superpowers Grenada or Nicaragua, or "communists" like Iran and Indonesia. No matter how outrageous the lie, wall-to-wall media smears always manage to convince enough Americans that their very existence and way of life are at stake from whichever pitifully small and weak Third World nation happens to be the designated enemy of the day.

cat,

Wow! You are from ALL of those countries?

Or perhaps you just presume to speak for all of those countries.

My question, hopefully more clearly for you this time, is what country are you from?

Now with President Ortega confirmed elected yesterday, the Left has had its day.

Now, if they could only govern . . .

cat, you aren't even an American.

Cat's probably Canadian, eh?

Muslim,

I know you're embarressed, but at least you learned something. You don't have to answer the question because you know you're wrong and so do we.

theExecutioner,

They bombed us? Which one of the one billion muslems bombed us exactly, cause I'm just trying to figure out which ones and how many we'll have to kill before we're satisfied.

First off, "they" do not hate us for our freedom. Until you lose that notion, you will never undertand the issue.

"They" hate us for our foreign policy.

My guess is you don't understand that a major cause of the 9-11 attack relates to the US establishing military bases in Saudia Arabia, which helped set up the current conflict between Osama and the US government.

My guess is that you don't know that this policy is Bush the first and not Clinton. My guess is that you think Clinton somehow appeased people, and that lead to the 9-11 attacks.

My guess is that you buy into the "they hate our freedom argument".

And my guess is that you'll never really understand what's going on.

Since "They" bombed us and killed 3,000 people, then "We" killed 600,000 of "them", what do you think the next move is likley to be if we keep on the same course?

As they say "If you keep doin' what you done, you keep getting what you got"

It's enough death for me. Destruction. Chaos.

So much better to make nice.

John

If that's what you wanted to know, Sheik, you should have said. Sorry, I'll leave you guessing. What's far more important to most of us out here is which countries have you bombed and invaded? Which countries have you launched terrorist campaigns against? Which countries' leaders have you murdered? Which countries' torturers and death squads have you trained?

"They" hate us for our foreign policy.

nope....they hate us because we are not muslim and want to behead those who are not muslim.

VagaBond,

Then you will never understand the issue. Muslims have lived peacefully side by side with Christans, Buddhists, Jews, etc for long periods of history.

The average American muslim does not want to cut your head off.

The average non-American muslim may have some frustration. It's policy based.

I'm guessing you don't know any muslims. I have a few friends and co-workers. I've never felt that my head may have been seperated at any time.

You don't understand the issue. Until you do, you'll never be able to make good decisions about how to deal with it.

John

John -

"They bombed us? Which one of the one billion muslems bombed us exactly"

Well, lets see... Who's blowing up our troops every day? There are wanted posters too. Take a look sometime.

""They" hate us for our foreign policy."

Yes, Clinton was the worst president ever and I know that that is why they trained themselves to fly planes during his administration.

"then "We" killed 600,000 of "them""

WHEN was that and WHAT are you smoking?

As I said, you terrorist sympathizers cannot answer my simple question and you embarress yourselves every time you post. And by the way, are YOU an American?

OK, what's your simple question. I'll take a stab at answering it.

John, Muslim seems to think that if we could just love them in peace we would not be attacked. That is EXACTLY what Clinton did. He sent Marilyn Albright in love and peace. But all we got were 9-11 bombings as they trained to fly the planes during the Clinton years. Clinton and Albright proved that being nice didn't work.
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Muslim, are you a terrorist thinking that you can make me forget about all the terror attacks before 9-11 when Clinton did NOTHING but love them and not bomb them?

Well, you can't.

So WHY did 9-11 happen? HUH?
Posted by: theExecutioner at November 8, 2006 02:40 PM

Again, WHY did the 9-11 bombings occur after Clinton had done NOTHING but be nice? That is my question.

cat:

Your post is extremely ignorant, over-generalised and and a few cases, outright false.

From exactly what vast pool of knowlege and experience do you draw your information from? I believe you should change the water...it's been polluted.

Heralder, cat is NOT an American. He is here merely to support the Democrats and bash America.

"They" hate us for our foreign policy.

No, this view of why terrorism exists is naive and simplistic. True, while it may be perceived (or even proven partially true) that our foreign policy in the Middle East is at the heart of all Middle East terrorism, it is simply not the greater cause of it. The root causes for terrorism are far more complex than just reducing it to self-flaggelating notion that "it's all our fault; we're the ones to blame". You're simply not accounting for or excusing the present repressive states of government in the MIddle East, the lack of capitalism that breeds prosperity instead of abject poverity and anger, the lack of democracy that encourages peace with neighbors instead of violence and the lack of education and discouraging of open thought that pormotes understanding and peace of others.

I'll give you that some of our foreign policy decisions have not been the best at times. But when do you hold them--Muslims at large and their governments--accountable for their actions? Moreover, have our foreign policy decisions truly justified rank terrorism and the murder of innocents since Munich in 1972? I honestly do not see how you can hold that position with a straight face.

OK, Executioner... I've gotta go get lunch, but I'll take a stab at this. Muslim Unity may have a different answer, but here's mine...

You said...

"John, Muslim seems to think that if we could just love them in peace we would not be attacked. That is EXACTLY what Clinton did. He sent Marilyn Albright in love and peace. But all we got were 9-11 bombings as they trained to fly the planes during the Clinton years. Clinton and Albright proved that being nice didn't work."

OK, you realize that the LARGEST terrorist attack in the United States, prior to 9-11 was by a white, male, military veteran, when he bombed a federal building with a truck bomb?

Soooo..... start killing white male military veterans?

Before that it was a white male college professor...

Some people are just crazy. But even crazy people have something that sets them off. Otherwise, they'd be at home counting their hair.

A dozen people did a horrible thing. The other billion people did not.

Yeah, loving people is a lot more effective. If I'm your neigbor and I drop by with the occasional bottle of wine, or casserole, or mow your lawn when you are sick, or watch your house when you are out of town, we're good buds, yes?

So, you also asked...

"Muslim, are you a terrorist thinking that you can make me forget about all the terror attacks before 9-11 when Clinton did NOTHING but love them and not bomb them?"

First off, that's not quite true, but yes... You will need to get over it. Did Jesus not say to turn the other cheek? What did you think he meant by that?

And you also said;

"Well, you can't."

Then you will forever be lost, wandering in the wilderness.

Almost done;

"So WHY did 9-11 happen? HUH?"

Because of our foreign policy, and partialy because of US military bases in Saudia Arabia after the first gulf war which set off Osam who is a nut job.

And finaly;

"Again, WHY did the 9-11 bombings occur after Clinton had done NOTHING but be nice? That is my question."

Invalid question. Use "The Google" to search "The Internets". 9-11 happened because GWB ignored the outgoing transition team, and his own intelegence teams. It happened because he was lazy, was on vacation, and because he did not do a good job on his watch.

Your questions are now answered.

John

"Soooo..... start killing white male military veterans?"

I have NEVER suggested killing innocent Muslims. I have good friends that are muslims. Do NOT insult me with such a suggestion.

"Did Jesus not say to turn the other cheek? What did you think he meant by that?"

Jesus was still alive to turn His other cheek.

""Well, you can't." Then you will forever be lost, wandering in the wilderness."

I am NOT opposed to forgiving OBL himself IF he is truely repentant. Until then, I will NEVER forget 9-11

"Invalid question."

No. You aren't getting off that easy. My point was that Clinton did NOTHING but appease the terrorists yet 9-11 still happened. GW BUSH DIDN'T FLY THE PLANES INTO THE TWIN TOWERS AND THE PENTIGON. TERRORISTS DID.

You lost and Musliim can't answer it either because PEACE AND LOVE will NOT STOP TERRORISM.

Why did Muslim run and hide? Because he knows he's wrong. You cannot appease a terrorist.

The average American muslim does not want to cut your head off.

John, the only religious group I know of that is currently beheading people is the Muslims. If I were your american muslim friend, I would be condemning a faction of my religion who chops off the heads of infedels. Can you tell which muslim will chop off your head and which one won't? Until you can, YOU don't understand the issue.

VagaBond,

What you said!!

John,

I suggest you go talk to Muslim after Muslim until you find the ones who want to cut our heads off. Then come back and tell us which ones they are. OK?

cat,

It's a simple question. If you aren't willing to answer it, I must presume you don't want an honest debate and will have to view you as a troll.

Your choice.

cat is not an American. He supports the terrrorists.

Just like Lee, MuslimUnity cannot back up their arguments.

theExecutioner,

9-11 did not happen when Clinton was president. Please stop being thick. The roots of 9-11 go back to Bush the first. 9-11 happend when Bush the second was president.

Vagabond and Sheik Yur Bouty,

You've both asked a similar question. To answer, the jewish state Israel kills far more muslims than muslims kill jews, by about 6 or 7 to one.

Our American "christian" government kills it's "enemies" at a rate of about 50 to one. Does it matter if I chop a head off, or just blow it off?

John

Ask a simple question of the Anti-Americans like Muslim and John and they cut and run. Debating you turds is WAY too easy.

You've both asked a similar question. To answer, the jewish state Israel kills far more muslims than muslims kill jews, by about 6 or 7 to one.

where did you get that statistic? wikipedia? you mean muslims who lob bombs over at Israel and they retaliate?

Our American "christian" government kills it's "enemies" at a rate of about 50 to one.

Convoluted logic. It's what I would expect when confronted with facts you can't refute. and besides, if we are killing our enemies, I would want that ratio a LOT higher.

But at least you admit that the beheading muslims are our enemies.

9-11 did not happen when Clinton was president. Please stop being thick. The roots of 9-11 go back to Bush the first. 9-11 happend when Bush the second was president.

Your basic assertion is that, well, Clinton had nothing to do with 9/11, is that what you're saying? As if 8 years of history simply doesn't exist or near do-nothing/containment of terrorism on the part of Clinton doesn't make him accountable and greatly responsible for 9/11? You've got to be kidding...

. To answer, the jewish state Israel kills far more muslims than muslims kill jews, by about 6 or 7 to one.

Falling back on the old "it's all the fault of Joooos" screed, are we? Nice rheotorical try, but it fails miserably.

Finally, your previous citation of the 600,000 killed in the Iraq War that's claimed by the statistically bogus Lancet is, in a word, crap. Even Lancet said their study is skewed and likely (ha!) wrong. Hell, their statistical sample is so incredibly flawed it's hard to even know where to begin. But that doesn't matter. People on the Left like to assert and claim that we (the Coalition, not the terrorists) are responsible for all 600,000. But there's one big fucking difference they fucking leave out of their "study": Terrorists target civilians on purpose; we target terrorists to kill terrorists. In short, we kill the bad guys; they kill the innocent. Got it? Good. Now stop quoting that goddamn study...

Peter,

No, my assertion was that only Bush could be lazy enough to let 9-11 happen. He had lots of information and plenty of time to react, and he just didn't care. It didn't happen when Clinton was in charge. Just didn't.

No, it's not the joooos fault. Don't you be thick now. Look at the death toll since the start of the Intifada in 2000, then come back and report.

OK, I'd like you to put out some facts. Show everyone the reference where the Lancet states that the Iraqi mortality study is "likley wrong". I heard an extensive interview with the study author, and I've got enough of a background in experiment design and analysis and statistics to understand that his statistical sample is not so flawed that you should be left unable to understand where to begin.

Finaly, I heard an extensive interview with one of the people on the high value targeting team during the latest Iraq war. He states that the US team is willing to kill up to 30 innocient people to take out one high value target, eg bad guy, bridge, building, etc.

So yes, we do kill innocients. In fact we know exactly how many we are willing to kill to blow up a bridge or a building, or kill a bad guy. The answer is 30.

John

John, learn to read. I never said 9-11 happened during Clinton. I said that the terrorists were PLANNING the attack during Clinton. Unlike what Muslim said, it's NOT Bush's policy that CAUSED it. Good grief!! How dumb can u people be???

theExecutioner,

So we're clear, 9-11 did not happen during Clinton... I didn't say it. You didn't say it.

I think we can agree on that.

So, 9-11 DID happen during George Walker Bush's presidency.

The conditions that put Osama bin Forgotten off his rocker were created during George Herbert Walker Bush's presidency.

They planned it for many years, but the opportunity that made the 9-11 attack possible was set up by the laziness of George Walker Bush. The policy that started the planning for 9-11 was created by George Herbert Walker Bush.

John

"john" as in crapper, commode,toilet, etc.
"mooselum" U--no words for this fraud.

jhow66,

I bow to your superior logic, and beaten, I withdraw from this field of battle.

But I'll be back.

I'LL BE BACK, jhow66, you... you....

You BOOGER HEAD, you!